I used to work in line service way way back in the day at Million Air Dallas and Joe Gibbs would fly on Norm Miller (Owner of Interstate Batteries Lear 25 N18NM). This group of people (Joe Gibbs and Norm Miller) are seriously the nicest people on the planet. They treated everyone like they are part of their family.
The airplane is a great 'tool' for transporting the team to and from the race-track. 'Big-picture wise'....she is right. The cost of instantly booking commercial flights, hotels and rental cars would quickly out-pace having their own aviation department. It also serves to transport all team members in an organized fashion, without guys potentially missing flights on the airlines.
Michael Jackson The 700 is in my opinion, the best performing and handling of all the CRJ models. It’s a pilot’s airplane. I’ve had the privilege of flying the early 100s through to the 1000 series.
CLdriver1960 I only flew 200s and 7s....700 by far best A/C I’ve flown. Although I teach the Citation X right now, I only have an hour of actual time in it, rest is sim time, So not fair to compare the two. 700 was so much fun to fly!
Michael Jackson I’d like to fly a Citation. All of my bizjet time was either Challenger or Global. I too spent a lot of time teaching in the sim on behalf of the company.
Back in 2005 I worked for an airline in CLT, and it was more common to see teams have a team plane (CRJ 200 or something) for a few people, but wow...things have changed. Flying out whole teams. Makes sense...getting them home for family time.
I'd love a job in your aviation department. I used to work Delta flights including all the CRJ models except the 1000 which is not in use in the USA anywhere.
I'm from Dublin IRELAND and Huge Fan of NASCAR wish it was still on TV over here because I miss it. Hope to be able to go see a race in the USA one day keep doing what your doing Guy's and Girls.
It's not on anymore over there and many stations stopped showing here because the sport is just about dead. They over commercialized the sport to the point you can't afford to go to watch and they ruined it with the cars and rules. Sucks as I used to go to at least 4-5 races a year since 1980.
@@patcb1478 I started looking at NASCAR when Juan Pablo Montoya went there from F1 when they went for adds in the USA we still got the to see onboard while they went for adds
Looks like they have a Challenger as well. I work for Bombardier as an aircraft mechanic. It's cool to see the people who use these aircraft, John Travolta, Mark Whalberg, Lewis Hamilton (his 605 is the nicest ive seen)
What the hell does JGR deciding to purchase planes for his teams have to do with full stands and better racing? ZERO, moron. NASCAR killed itself when it divorced itself from it's roots and expanded to cookie cutter tracks, closed North Wilksboro, Rockingham, eliminated a second Darlington date, altered the true oval layout of Atlanta and expanded too big, too fast. NASCAR's wave of popularity suffered the same time the economy shit the bed in 2008. Sponsors began to drop like flies, fans felt alienated by soaring ticket prices, mandatory 3 night hotels.
RD You mean back In the 90s when there were 3 cars on the lead lap at the end of the race? Please, teams had the same luxury back then as they do now and the racing is as good as its ever been.
Bingo. I have been wondering about this for years. Fans don't give a rats ass whether Jimmie Johnson or Kevin Harvick were able to spend an extra day at home because they took a private jet to the racetrack. Race weekends are simply too long and too expensive, and there is little assurance that an entertaining race will even happen. The fact that these big teams assign four people to monitor the gas mileage on each car while staring at a computer screen doesn't help the fan in the stands one bit. NASCAR better get its head out of its ass pretty quick before people simply refuse to pay for tickets and accommodations, and refuse to patronize the sponsors who put up such ridiculous sums of money to support what amounts to a jet-setting lifestyle for these teams.
@@95bochamp The best way to watch Nascar is on TV. In hi def, it is almost like being there and there is no hassle with parking, I can use my on toilet and supply my own food a lot cheaper than at the track. I have not been to a Nascar race in 25 years.
What it would cost to fly the crews on commercial flights, would pay for that CRJ-900 in less than two seasons. They purchase those aircraft used, for example American Airlines leases that CRJ-900 for three years, they decide to not extend the lease. A team like JGR buys that aircraft at a fraction of what it costs new. plus they can fly into airports the airlines just don’t service, like the race in Iowa you’re a one hour drive from Des Moines, 2.5 from Cedar Rapids, & 3 hours from moline, il, versus landing next to the race track. furthermore it cost about a 1/3 maybe even less to operate that CRJ-900 weekly than commercial airfare would be.
Message to Joe Gibbs - on tracks with high heat from the brakes that can melt a tire bead and cause a flat - paint the side of the wheel and tire that is next to the rotors and calipers with high temperature white or silver paint, which will reflect a lot of the heat, and protect the bead. Yes, paint can stick to a tire. Years ago, before they had products to make your tires shiny, I used to paint the sidewalls of the tires on my hot rod, with glossy black paint.
Joe Gibbs Racing Fleet * Reg Aircraft Type * Delivered * N519JG Bombardier CRJ-700 Dec 2016 N520JG Bombardier CRJ-700 Dec 2015 Unit cost CRJ700: US$41.4 million CRJ900: US$46.5M CRJ1000: US$49.5M (2017 Everything you ever wanted to know about Joe Gibbs Racing fleet. Fuel burn comparison with Boeing and Airbus smaller new aircraft. The CRJ-700 is a kerosine hog. Bombardier CRJ700 1999 70 seats 2.95 kg/km (10.47 lb/mi) 5.25 L/100 km (44.8 mpg‑US)[31] fuel burn per sear Airbus A319neo 2015 124 seats 660 nmi (1,220 km) 2.82 kg/km (10 lb/mi) 2.82 L/100 km (83.5 mpg‑US)[41] fuel burn per seat Boeing 737 MAX 8 2017 166 660 nmi (1,220 km) 3.04 kg/km (10.8 lb/mi) 2.28 L/100 km (103.2 mpg‑US)[41] fuel burn per seat
I swear I just watched a video produced from this same team that showed how hard the truck drivers have to work to haul the cars, load/unload, set up the garage, set up the pits, AND then COOK for the team throughout the day...then load and be on the road heading towards the next track within hours after the race. It would seem that with “hundreds” of people that “fly in”, that ONE of them could at least COOK and let the driver get some sleep before he/she has to DRIVE across America to the next track. Does the “aviation” department support the Motocross/Supercross teams also? Anyone know?
Is the pilot doing anything besides flying? Then why is the driver, I was offered a few years ago to take over a Truck for a Major sponsor of a National Team ( I Knew the Team manager) he told me the pay and the other duties, I told him no thanks. I drive and take care of the truck only. The amount of regulations today that the Feds and states are piling on drivers is ridiculous. I make 150k a year driving and I don’t cook a meal, I take care of the Truck and trailer.Period.
170 x 500, and 200 for hotel, and 75 for per diem, and 50 for taxi/Uber, and multiply that by 38 weeks is close to 5.5 million dollars. That doesn't include crew members extra day of pay.. if you include a $500 pay day for staying till Monday, that adds $3.2 million of saving.. so potentially spending $9 million a year keeping 170 people an extra day. Now, you have ten pilots on full-time status, each make 125k a year, and 7 flight attendants at 75k a year, is 1.8 million. Add another million for mechanics and administration salaries, and you're still only at 2.8 million.. that gives you a surplus of 6 million dollars to lease the Jets with.
James Smith When NASCAR was first formed by France in 1948 to regulate stock car racing in the U.S., there was a requirement that any car entered be made entirely of parts available to the general public through automobile dealers. Additionally, the cars had to be models that had sold more than 500 units to the public. This is referred to as "homologation". In NASCAR's early years, the cars were so "stock" that it was commonplace for the drivers to drive themselves to the competitions in the car that they were going to run in the race. While automobile engine technology had remained fairly stagnant in World War II, advanced aircraft piston engine development had provided a great deal of available data, and NASCAR was formed just as some of the improved technology was about to become available in production cars.[citation needed] Until the advent of the Trans-Am Series in 1967, NASCAR homologation cars were the closest thing that the public could buy that was actually very similar to the cars that were winning national races.
@@mrbmcgough3 Would rather they go back to looking like regular cars. They all look the same and it makes it about as boring as F1 and indy series. I will stick with dirt track racing and Off Road Series from now on. Where after the race you can get into the pits without paying to see them up close. Maybe get autographs for free as well without buying expensive merchandise.
Eric Shimer I agree. I’ve been going to both races at Pocono since 1982 we would get a stack of free passes for the infield but when it really started to take off around the Mid 90’s NASCAR screwed themself’s with 1 charging outrageous prices 2 stupid rules to make racing boring and trying to manufacture a exciting ending with the green white checkered. The only reason I still go is I get in free for the weekend and my buddy get me a garage pass when that stops so do I. I don’t even watch it on tv any more.
Apply for UPS, or FedEx. You'll make way more money. My cousins a FedEx captain been there 15 years he's knocking down close too 300k a year and works part time.
@@chadhoward07 yep those guys make damn good money and get to see the world. I was a ramp rat for fed ex and met alot of pilots and almost all of them were super nice folks. The feeder pilots are all crazy and will do amazing things to get those planes off the ground and back down in bad weather. Saw some crazy landings and take offs when the window was closing and a normal pilot would say nope they say lets go
The first aircraft looks like a CRJ-900 and the smaller one looked like a Challenger. Does the CRJ have the legs for the west-coast trips, especially flying westbound?
Aviation Department...looks like Coach has got a couple of airliners....Joe Gibbs Racing seems bigger than a Formula 1 team....never would have imagined...
Shoulda' seen Jack's 727-200s he got around in. I ave models in my office (Boeings) that have more dust on thwm. Those birds were gorgeous. However, we planned 10k fuel burn for the first hour, then 8k, and 7k after that. How many fan tickets is that?
The most expensive aspect to flying the 727 was on departure and climb and once to get to FL360, the power levers were almost at idle! But the room inside was incredible.
@@dpm-jt8rj and the after an hour at cruise, her nose would drop another degree or two, then the engineer would do his fuel magic and trip the thrust. Pure artistry!
I’m a retired corporate pilot and all of what they say is true. These aircraft are tools for them,, but unfortunately sometimes the tools become a expense that can no longer be justified. I have worked for several companies over the years that operated some sort of corporate aircraft for many years, then one day the bean counter tells the CEO how they cannot it justify the cost of operating such a aircraft any longer. Next thing you know the flight department is dissolved. I have been a fan of NASCAR for years but as of late my interest in the sport has dwindled. Many reasons, so when your running races with no one in the stands it wont take long before the bean counter discovers a huge hole in there operating budget. Two planes become one, then none. Just a fact of life in corporate aviation. Then it will be back to commercial aviation and or busses.
Looks like a perfect example of how sports has gotten completely out of hand with the big budgets, paychecks and necessary ticket price increases, etc. I know longer watch Nascar and I used to be a big fan. It isn't just Nascar as every sport attraction has the same problem.
Justin Smith Because NASCAR drivers can be too overly confident and once in the air, they don't always play by the rules, or take all the steps necessary to operate an aircraft or copter. DaVey Alison's death flying his own copter is up the same alley. He went out and bought the beast with only a very limited amount of training. Below pro athletes killed in Prominent athletes, coaches and officials who have died in plane crashes: Nov. 7, 2017: Roy Halladay, former Toronto Blue Jays and Philadelphia Phillies pitcher, in the Gulf of Mexico. Nov. 28, 2016: Seventy-one people, including coaches and 19 players of the Brazil Chapecoense soccer team, killed when chartered flight runs out of fuel and crashes into mountains near Medellin, Columbia. Nov. 17, 2011: Kurt Budke, Oklahoma State women’s basketball coach, passenger on private plane that crashed in Perry County, Arkansas, on a recruiting trip. Oct. 11, 2006: Cory Lidle, Yankees pitcher, in New York City. Sept. 11, 2001: Mari Rae Sopper, gymnastics coach at UC Santa Barbara, a passenger aboard American Airlines Flight 77 which crashed into the Pentagon in Washington. Sept. 11, 2001: Garnet “Ace” Bailey, director of pro scouting for the L.A. Kings and Mark Bavis, an amateur scout, passengers aboard United Airlines Flight 175 - the second plane to hit the World Trade Center. Jan. 27, 2001: Oklahoma State basketball players Dan Lawson and Nate Fleming, and six team staffers and broadcasters, in Byers, Colorado Feb. 14, 2000: Tony Bettenhausen, Jr., race car driver-owner, near Lexington, Ky.🏎🛫 Oct. 25, 1999: Payne Stewart, two-time U.S. Open golf champion, near Mina, S.D. May 11, 1996: Rodney Culver, San Diego Chargers running back, in Florida Everglades. April 18, 1996: Brook Berringer, Nebraska quarterback, two days before the NFL draft, in Raymond, Neb. July 13, 1993: Davey Allison, NASCAR driver, the day after a helicopter he was 🏎🚁piloting crashed at Talladega (Ala.) Superspeedway. April 28, 1993: 23 players and officials of Zambia’s national soccer team, in Libreville, Gabon. April 1, 1993: Alan Kulwicki, NASCAR’s 1992 champion, in Blountville, Tenn.🏎🛫 Dec. 8, 1987: 17 players of the Alianza Peruvian first-division soccer team in Lima, . Aug. 16, 1987: Nick Vanos, Phoenix Suns center, in Romulus, Mich. Nov. 25, 1985: Six members of the Iowa State women’s cross country team in Des Moines, Iowa. Dec. 12, 1983: Rex Dockery, Memphis State football coach, with offensive coordinator Chris Faros and defensive back Charles Greenhill, Lawrenceburg, Tenn. March 14, 1980: 14 members of the U.S. amateur boxing team in Warsaw, Poland. Jan. 11, 1980: Bo Rein, LSU football coach, in the Atlantic Ocean. Aug. 2, 1979: Thurman Munson, Yankees catcher, in Akron, Ohio. Dec. 13, 1977: 14 University of Evansville basketball players and coach Bobby Watson in Evansville, Ind. June 24, 1975: Nets forward Wendell Ladner, in New York. Dec. 31, 1972: Roberto Clemente, Pittsburgh Pirates outfielder, from San Juan, Puerto Rico en route to Nicaragua to aid earthquake victims. Oct. 11, 1972: 30 Members of a Uruguayan rugby club, in Chile. Nov. 14, 1970: 36 Marshall University football players, in Huntington, W.Va. Oct. 2, 1970: 14 Wichita State football players, in Colorado. Sept. 26, 1969: 25 members of Bolivian soccer team “The Strongest”, in the Andes. Aug. 31, 1969: Rocky Marciano, world heavyweight boxing champion, in Newton, Iowa. June 4, 1969: Rafael Osuna, 1963 U.S. Open Tennis Champion, in Mexico. April 28, 1968: Six members of the Lamar Tech track team, in Beaumont, Texas. July 24, 1966: Tony Lema, 1964 British Open champion, in Munster, Ind. Feb. 15, 1964: Ken Hubbs, Chicago Cubs second baseman, in Utah. April 12, 1962: Ron Flockhart, Scottish racing driver, in Melbourne. April 3, 1961: Green Cross, a first-division Chilean soccer team, in the Las Lastimas Mountains. Feb. 16, 1961: 18 members of the U.S. figure skating team, in Belgium. Oct. 10, 1960: 16 members of the Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo football team, in Toledo, Ohio. Aug. 14, 1958: Six members of the Egyptian fencing team, in the Atlantic Ocean. Feb. 6, 1958: Eight members of the English soccer champion Manchester United, in Munich. Nov. 27, 1956: Charlie Peete, St. Louis Cardinals outfielder, in Venezuela. Sept. 20, 1956: Tom Gastall, Baltimore Orioles catcher, in Maryland. Oct. 30, 1954: Wilbur Shaw, three-time Indy 500 winner and President of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, in Decatur, Ind. July 1, 1954: John McBride, Alabama halfback, in an ROTC training flight in Texas. Oct. 27, 1949: Marcel Cerdan, former world middleweight boxing champion, en route to fight Jake LaMotta in Spain. May 4, 1949: 22 members of Torino, the Italian soccer champions, in Turin, Italy. June 2, 1943: Nile Kinnick, Iowa’s 1939 Heisman Trophy winner, in the Gulf of Paria. March 31, 1931: Knute Rockne, Notre Dame football coach, in Kansas. Oct. 18, 1925: Marvin Goodwin, Cincinnati Reds pitcher, in Houston. By The Associated Press
Bobby Paluga That’s a illogical way to think. Why not go look up the statistics and causes of all the aviation crashes you aforementioned then come back with better sense
So why wouldn’t you just buy a single Airbus a321 in a single class configuration and fly everyone at one time? Would save you fuel and maintenance cost...
James S Don’t set here complaining about people dying of starvation in a RACING VIDEO’s comment section instead go feed them if you really give shit dumbass
You wasted money on a computer/tablet/smartphone when you could have spent that money on starving children....or better yet you could have given a starving child your smartphone to take their mind off their hunger by playing Angry Birds.
Bucky Ò'Donnaighle Commenting nefariously on a racing video thread about people and their smart phones and computer, from your smart phone/computer 🤨 that makes no sense
JGR has 8 teams, between the Xfinity and Monster Energy series'. 15-18 team members per car, plus support and admin staff that travel with the teams...it all adds up quickly.
Attendance is down and many tracks have removed grandstands ( such as Daytona tearing down the stands on the backstretch). It's cost prohibitive for many families, young people for the most part aren't that interested in it and for the older crowd all their drivers retired. I don't think it's going to die but it's going to be scaled down dramatically from its peak.
good lord, other than the utter complete moronic rules that are in place on the races. this is second to why cup racing is dieing a slow pathetic death. i get the point that it gives the racers valuable time at home but think of the corporate money that the have to rely on. and the teams and nascar will compromise their every core belief in nascar racing to save that corporate relationship. not being able to spend a lot of time at home was what they sacrificed for love of racing. im in natural gas pipeline construction. im away a lot. and i imagine if i started flying around in a g6 id have to sacrifice a lot to keep it.
These two planes cost $45 MILLION. Plus $thousands per hour operating costs. BS that it saves them money. Just another of many examples of total waste by teams today. Also teams/drivers have had planes since the 70's, dude is FOS that this is fairly new.
The cost of the planes doesn't matter, the depreciation does. If they buy it for $45 million and it's still worth $40 million after 5 years then their true cost was $5 million, not $45 million.
This guy talks about how precious time is with their families and it's tough traveling.....there are plenty of people that would LOVE to do all the racing stuff!!! Quit whining!!!
Margie F It’s about quality of life. You want that guy/ girl that you have a lot invested in to stick around. 2 days lost in airline travel a week and the beat down that style of travel puts on you. The turn over would be incredible and there goes your consistency as a team. 170 people , each 2 extra days a week x 38 weeks /food/ transportation and turnover. That’s not including testing. I’m guessing you never had a job that requires a bunch of travel. You would quickly understand.
Id love to fly on one of those, but I probably have to sit in the back since I'm not white........but my ancestors owned all the land those tracks are on at one time. We had to start over on reservations, but we never gave up.
:23 , stick shaker...check Gibbs racing seems to be running a great operation not like that other clown who flew his jet into the ground...cant remember his name
Thats why i dont goto or wacth nascar anymore,high salarys high life styles and sucky new cars and rules.Enjoy it race teams the next gen car will kill of nascar for good.
One of the reasons Nascar is too much 💰 and failing. I started racing in ‘72 and we did just fine racing from NH to Fl without planes, Tractor Trailers and 150 people on a team. Remember Alan Kulwicki won a championship with a dozen people.
Well it's inevitable since teams try to find a way to make things better on their behalf, like make travel easier/faster by having this plane. Same could be said in any other things in this world.
So, how does having an Aviation Department for this team (just as all of the other big teams have) improve the show on the track? Answer: It doesn't. It makes no difference whatsoever. However, it justifies why the teams are so big and the budgets are so big and the ticket prices are so high and why the souvenirs and t-shirts cost so much. It is ridiculous. And most of this bullshit started with the idiots in F1 who absolutely must have their catered meals and their hospitality areas. NASCAR felt it had to become ''big time' by flying drivers all over the country to sign autographs and having 100+ people attend every race. All of this costs huge amounts of money, and it all must come from somewhere. Of course, NASCAR appears to be oblivious to the number of fans who attend dressed as empty seats every week, and it's been that way for years. Covering up empty grandstands with corporate banners will only fool people for so long.
I understand your position but understand he has normally 6 teams at each race. I was associated with a Cup team in early 90s, they had a king air 2. They flew in race day crew that was also the shop crew. Usually 4 day event and flew in morning of 1st day of practice. Driver had his own plane or driver's shared rides on their planes. But cost of primary sponsor was $2.5 M. Now I understand it's 10 times that with the same or similar audience. IDK the answers but this seems reasonable to support 4 cup and 2 or 3 xfinity teams. I flew commercial to 30 to 35 misc major racing events for 8 yrs, 86-94. Out Thurs or Friday back usually Monday morning and straight office. It's great for 3 or 4 yrs then it's just a good job. The few events I was able to fly on our Corp jets, were much more comfortable. (Except for the stress of President or CEO being at the event. )
Transportation isn't the biggest cost problem in today's racing. It's cost of tech and employees. Multiple engineers on each team. The 4 post and now new laser tech devices. Yes it's out of control but jgr aviation for that many people is cheaper, faster, than commercial airlines. It saves at least 1 day per week for 150+ employees. Coach is on his own plane.
I used to work in line service way way back in the day at Million Air Dallas and Joe Gibbs would fly on Norm Miller (Owner of Interstate Batteries
Lear 25 N18NM). This group of people (Joe Gibbs and Norm Miller) are seriously the nicest people on the planet. They treated everyone like they are part of their family.
First 2nins I thought what??? Back in the day….
Then the whole process made sence.Great idea! Great service.
The airplane is a great 'tool' for transporting the team to and from the race-track. 'Big-picture wise'....she is right. The cost of instantly booking commercial flights, hotels and rental cars would quickly out-pace having their own aviation department. It also serves to transport all team members in an organized fashion, without guys potentially missing flights on the airlines.
The other aspect is that in the case of an aviation accident the whole sport will be shut down instantly...
Awsome display of team work and dedication to your sport. Much success going forward!
No better race team, no better coach or boss, no better man and owner in all of NASCAR then the legendary Joe Gibbs himself!
Outstanding dedication.
The CRJ-700 and Challenger 604, two airplanes near and dear to my heart.
CLdriver1960 me too! I flew 700s for PSA! Love those aircraft!
Michael Jackson The 700 is in my opinion, the best performing and handling of all the CRJ models. It’s a pilot’s airplane. I’ve had the privilege of flying the early 100s through to the 1000 series.
CLdriver1960 I only flew 200s and 7s....700 by far best A/C I’ve flown. Although I teach the Citation X right now, I only have an hour of actual time in it, rest is sim time, So not fair to compare the two. 700 was so much fun to fly!
Michael Jackson I’d like to fly a Citation. All of my bizjet time was either Challenger or Global. I too spent a lot of time teaching in the sim on behalf of the company.
Excellent video and awesome racing team.
Back in 2005 I worked for an airline in CLT, and it was more common to see teams have a team plane (CRJ 200 or something) for a few people, but wow...things have changed. Flying out whole teams. Makes sense...getting them home for family time.
I'd love a job in your aviation department. I used to work Delta flights including all the CRJ models except the 1000 which is not in use in the USA anywhere.
Nice film, thanks guys & ladies :)
WOW 😳 I never knew about that ! Smart. Great idea too Mr Gibbs 👍
Great to be part of a team like that safe travels
Great video!
You know you're big time when you have a aviation department
I'm from Dublin IRELAND and Huge Fan of NASCAR wish it was still on TV over here because I miss it. Hope to be able to go see a race in the USA one day keep doing what your doing Guy's and Girls.
It's not on anymore over there and many stations stopped showing here because the sport is just about dead. They over commercialized the sport to the point you can't afford to go to watch and they ruined it with the cars and rules. Sucks as I used to go to at least 4-5 races a year since 1980.
@@patcb1478 I started looking at NASCAR when Juan Pablo Montoya went there from F1 when they went for adds in the USA we still got the to see onboard while they went for adds
N520JG is a beautiful CRJ-700.
Looks like they have a Challenger as well. I work for Bombardier as an aircraft mechanic. It's cool to see the people who use these aircraft, John Travolta, Mark Whalberg, Lewis Hamilton (his 605 is the nicest ive seen)
Nice CL-600
Back in the 90's no planes but better races and full grandstands, Thanks Gibbs for doing NASCAR F1 style lots of these.$$$$$$
What the hell does JGR deciding to purchase planes for his teams have to do with full stands and better racing? ZERO, moron. NASCAR killed itself when it divorced itself from it's roots and expanded to cookie cutter tracks, closed North Wilksboro, Rockingham, eliminated a second Darlington date, altered the true oval layout of Atlanta and expanded too big, too fast. NASCAR's wave of popularity suffered the same time the economy shit the bed in 2008. Sponsors began to drop like flies, fans felt alienated by soaring ticket prices, mandatory 3 night hotels.
RD
You mean back
In the 90s when there were 3 cars on the lead lap at the end of the race? Please, teams had the same luxury back then as they do now and the racing is as good as its ever been.
That would be an awesome pilot job
Oh I see why shirts are 60$ and tickets are 200$-300$ ,thanks for explaining
100% correct and to my point. The thing is not about the fans. And it will go BANKRUPT. They can not sell out a race let alone fill up the seats
Bingo. I have been wondering about this for years. Fans don't give a rats ass whether Jimmie Johnson or Kevin Harvick were able to spend an extra day at home because they took a private jet to the racetrack. Race weekends are simply too long and too expensive, and there is little assurance that an entertaining race will even happen. The fact that these big teams assign four people to monitor the gas mileage on each car while staring at a computer screen doesn't help the fan in the stands one bit. NASCAR better get its head out of its ass pretty quick before people simply refuse to pay for tickets and accommodations, and refuse to patronize the sponsors who put up such ridiculous sums of money to support what amounts to a jet-setting lifestyle for these teams.
@@95bochamp The best way to watch Nascar is on TV. In hi def, it is almost like being there and there is no hassle with parking, I can use my on toilet and supply my own food a lot cheaper than at the track. I have not been to a Nascar race in 25 years.
@Ellis James, Agreed. And, you are spared from having to endure the inevitable "invocation"....
What it would cost to fly the crews on commercial flights, would pay for that CRJ-900 in less than two seasons. They purchase those aircraft used, for example American Airlines leases that CRJ-900 for three years, they decide to not extend the lease. A team like JGR buys that aircraft at a fraction of what it costs new. plus they can fly into airports the airlines just don’t service, like the race in Iowa you’re a one hour drive from Des Moines, 2.5 from Cedar Rapids, & 3 hours from moline, il, versus landing next to the race track. furthermore it cost about a 1/3 maybe even less to operate that CRJ-900 weekly than commercial airfare would be.
Awesome
I can only imagine how much more expensive the aviation costs would be in Formula 1 traveling the world.
It simply blows my mind at how many people it takes just to make a race team function.
Message to Joe Gibbs - on tracks with high heat from the brakes that can melt a tire bead and cause a flat - paint the side of the wheel and tire that is next to the rotors and calipers with high temperature white or silver paint, which will reflect a lot of the heat, and protect the bead.
Yes, paint can stick to a tire. Years ago, before they had products to make your tires shiny, I used to paint the sidewalls of the tires on my hot rod, with glossy black paint.
Joe Gibbs Racing Fleet
*
Reg Aircraft Type * Delivered *
N519JG Bombardier CRJ-700 Dec 2016
N520JG Bombardier CRJ-700 Dec 2015
Unit cost CRJ700: US$41.4 million
CRJ900: US$46.5M
CRJ1000: US$49.5M (2017
Everything you ever wanted to know about Joe Gibbs Racing fleet.
Fuel burn comparison with Boeing and Airbus smaller new aircraft. The CRJ-700 is a kerosine hog.
Bombardier CRJ700
1999
70 seats
2.95 kg/km (10.47 lb/mi)
5.25 L/100 km (44.8 mpg‑US)[31] fuel burn per sear
Airbus A319neo
2015
124 seats
660 nmi (1,220 km)
2.82 kg/km (10 lb/mi)
2.82 L/100 km (83.5 mpg‑US)[41] fuel burn per seat
Boeing 737 MAX 8
2017
166
660 nmi (1,220 km)
3.04 kg/km (10.8 lb/mi)
2.28 L/100 km (103.2 mpg‑US)[41] fuel burn per seat
Didn’t mentioned ARCA teams as well since Joe Gibbs Racing fields a car in ARCA
My dream is to go fly for a race team. Would love to put aviation & racing together
I swear I just watched a video produced from this same team that showed how hard the truck drivers have to work to haul the cars, load/unload, set up the garage, set up the pits, AND then COOK for the team throughout the day...then load and be on the road heading towards the next track within hours after the race. It would seem that with “hundreds” of people that “fly in”, that ONE of them could at least COOK and let the driver get some sleep before he/she has to DRIVE across America to the next track.
Does the “aviation” department support the Motocross/Supercross teams also? Anyone know?
Yeah, I suspect the drivers make well over $100K each and get 3 months off a year.
The planes are used for all of JGR business assets.
Is the pilot doing anything besides flying? Then why is the driver, I was offered a few years ago to take over a Truck for a Major sponsor of a National Team ( I Knew the Team manager) he told me the pay and the other duties, I told him no thanks. I drive and take care of the truck only. The amount of regulations today that the Feds and states are piling on drivers is ridiculous. I make 150k a year driving and I don’t cook a meal, I take care of the Truck and trailer.Period.
170 x 500, and 200 for hotel, and 75 for per diem, and 50 for taxi/Uber, and multiply that by 38 weeks is close to 5.5 million dollars. That doesn't include crew members extra day of pay.. if you include a $500 pay day for staying till Monday, that adds $3.2 million of saving.. so potentially spending $9 million a year keeping 170 people an extra day. Now, you have ten pilots on full-time status, each make 125k a year, and 7 flight attendants at 75k a year, is 1.8 million. Add another million for mechanics and administration salaries, and you're still only at 2.8 million.. that gives you a surplus of 6 million dollars to lease the Jets with.
Funny the “old days” in the 90’s and they need a plane when NASCAR started they drove their own car and sometimes it was the car they raced in.
James Smith When NASCAR was first formed by France in 1948 to regulate stock car racing in the U.S., there was a requirement that any car entered be made entirely of parts available to the general public through automobile dealers. Additionally, the cars had to be models that had sold more than 500 units to the public. This is referred to as "homologation". In NASCAR's early years, the cars were so "stock" that it was commonplace for the drivers to drive themselves to the competitions in the car that they were going to run in the race. While automobile engine technology had remained fairly stagnant in World War II, advanced aircraft piston engine development had provided a great deal of available data, and NASCAR was formed just as some of the improved technology was about to become available in production cars.[citation needed] Until the advent of the Trans-Am Series in 1967, NASCAR homologation cars were the closest thing that the public could buy that was actually very similar to the cars that were winning national races.
@@mrbmcgough3 Would rather they go back to looking like regular cars. They all look the same and it makes it about as boring as F1 and indy series. I will stick with dirt track racing and Off Road Series from now on. Where after the race you can get into the pits without paying to see them up close. Maybe get autographs for free as well without buying expensive merchandise.
Eric Shimer I agree. I’ve been going to both races at Pocono since 1982 we would get a stack of free passes for the infield but when it really started to take off around the Mid 90’s NASCAR screwed themself’s with 1 charging outrageous prices 2 stupid rules to make racing boring and trying to manufacture a exciting ending with the green white checkered. The only reason I still go is I get in free for the weekend and my buddy get me a garage pass when that stops so do I. I don’t even watch it on tv any more.
Gotta remember the drivers/owners have sponsor & media commitments throughout the week. It’s not just for the weekend
I have 3000 hours PIC on that model... Need to apply! 😁
Apply for UPS, or FedEx. You'll make way more money. My cousins a FedEx captain been there 15 years he's knocking down close too 300k a year and works part time.
@@chadhoward07 yep those guys make damn good money and get to see the world. I was a ramp rat for fed ex and met alot of pilots and almost all of them were super nice folks. The feeder pilots are all crazy and will do amazing things to get those planes off the ground and back down in bad weather. Saw some crazy landings and take offs when the window was closing and a normal pilot would say nope they say lets go
Weirdly enough, One driver flies on commercial planes. drivers usually have private jets.
when money is no object to excess
The first aircraft looks like a CRJ-900 and the smaller one looked like a Challenger. Does the CRJ have the legs for the west-coast trips, especially flying westbound?
Not always. Fuel stops are pretty common.
Good video and I do believe they care about their employees but the bottom line its about saving money.........
Any mechanic job openings?
That's cool go Kyle Busch
Aviation Department...looks like Coach has got a couple of airliners....Joe Gibbs Racing seems bigger than a Formula 1 team....never would have imagined...
They're only about 1/3 of the size of an F1 team.
Do you transport team members families as well?
Appreciate this video, Joe Gibbs Racing and all the crew members... I must mention my family and I big time Kyle Busch fans. Thank you
Kyle crybaby is trash your family and you are stupid my favorite drivers all time are much better than cryle crybaby no talent busch
Well how does that work for Tony jr since he lives here in Northampton PA
Who?
Only 9 comments wow
Who knew!
Shoulda' seen Jack's 727-200s he got around in. I ave models in my office (Boeings) that have more dust on thwm. Those birds were gorgeous. However, we planned 10k fuel burn for the first hour, then 8k, and 7k after that. How many fan tickets is that?
The most expensive aspect to flying the 727 was on departure and climb and once to get to FL360, the power levers were almost at idle! But the room inside was incredible.
@@dpm-jt8rj and the after an hour at cruise, her nose would drop another degree or two, then the engineer would do his fuel magic and trip the thrust. Pure artistry!
That's, trim the thrust. Fat fingers on my part.
@@dickjohnson4268
Those JT8s were luscious. They drank a Jet A like it was lemonade, but sweet.
@@dpm-jt8rj We had the -17s. 'Sorta like openening three fire hydrants as far as the flows were indicating on takeoff.
Bombardier CRJ 700 is used.
It seems that Nascar is collapsing under its own weight.
Only if they bought a 747-400m or combi they could just use one plane to get the cars and the crews there
Yeah, but you can’t land 747’s at most of the airports they fly into. They are pretty much limited to regional jets.
Plus they don’t need everyone at the track each of the days...
A civilian version of the C-17 would be the ticket
That’s what Iron Maiden does, with the lead singer as the pilot...747 combi.
That’s why they’re the best
big money
I’m a retired corporate pilot and all of what they say is true. These aircraft are tools for them,, but unfortunately sometimes the tools become a expense that can no longer be justified.
I have worked for several companies over the years that operated some sort of corporate aircraft for many years, then one day the bean counter tells the CEO how they cannot it justify the cost of operating such a aircraft any longer. Next thing you know the flight department is dissolved.
I have been a fan of NASCAR for years but as of late my interest in the sport has dwindled. Many reasons, so when your running races with no one in the stands it wont take long before the bean counter discovers a huge hole in there operating budget. Two planes become one, then none.
Just a fact of life in corporate aviation. Then it will be back to commercial aviation and or busses.
10 full time pilots, wow. How much does it cost per season, for planes, pilots and crew, and fuel?
It would cost about $1-1.5 million per year just for the pilots.
About 2 million bucks a year for maintenance
But how do they travel during CIVID19.
You guys should take delta planes
How many A/P's work for Gibbs?
Exactly, I thought it was funny none of them talked to the camera. I wouldn't mind working for thwm
Looks like a perfect example of how sports has gotten completely out of hand with the big budgets, paychecks and necessary ticket price increases, etc. I know longer watch Nascar and I used to be a big fan. It isn't just Nascar as every sport attraction has the same problem.
Jm Frits there are college basketball teams that only travel in charter jets cost millions just for the planes
You're a moron. No one needs you to watch
You know longer? I met him once
Rusty Wallace had his own jet and he flew it.
Robert: Rusty had a Cheyenne 400, then a Lear 31.
Robert Witkos but the rest of the team will be lucky if they flew commercial
Did his son crash it like he did every race car he was ever behind the wheel of?
Go Kyle Busch
Idk what I wanna do fly or Race currently I do both and idk if I should try to make it big in nascar or be a pilot
Mr. Spazzy C what do you drive?
@@johnsmokes5385 Dirt karts
It’s OK to mix airliners with NASCAR Racing, but for Gawd sake keep the drivers out of helicopters
Bobby Paluga Why?
Justin Smith Because NASCAR drivers can be too overly confident and once in the air, they don't always play by the rules, or take all the steps necessary to operate an aircraft or copter. DaVey Alison's death flying his own copter is up the same alley. He went out and bought the beast with only a very limited amount of training. Below pro athletes killed in
Prominent athletes, coaches and officials who have died in plane crashes:
Nov. 7, 2017: Roy Halladay, former Toronto Blue Jays and Philadelphia Phillies pitcher, in the Gulf of Mexico.
Nov. 28, 2016: Seventy-one people, including coaches and 19 players of the Brazil Chapecoense soccer team, killed when chartered flight runs out of fuel and crashes into mountains near Medellin, Columbia.
Nov. 17, 2011: Kurt Budke, Oklahoma State women’s basketball coach, passenger on private plane that crashed in Perry County, Arkansas, on a recruiting trip.
Oct. 11, 2006: Cory Lidle, Yankees pitcher, in New York City.
Sept. 11, 2001: Mari Rae Sopper, gymnastics coach at UC Santa Barbara, a passenger aboard American Airlines Flight 77 which crashed into the Pentagon in Washington.
Sept. 11, 2001: Garnet “Ace” Bailey, director of pro scouting for the L.A. Kings and Mark Bavis, an amateur scout, passengers aboard United Airlines Flight 175 - the second plane to hit the World Trade Center.
Jan. 27, 2001: Oklahoma State basketball players Dan Lawson and Nate Fleming, and six team staffers and broadcasters, in Byers, Colorado
Feb. 14, 2000: Tony Bettenhausen, Jr., race car driver-owner, near Lexington, Ky.🏎🛫
Oct. 25, 1999: Payne Stewart, two-time U.S. Open golf champion, near Mina, S.D.
May 11, 1996: Rodney Culver, San Diego Chargers running back, in Florida Everglades.
April 18, 1996: Brook Berringer, Nebraska quarterback, two days before the NFL draft, in Raymond, Neb.
July 13, 1993: Davey Allison, NASCAR driver, the day after a helicopter he was 🏎🚁piloting crashed at Talladega (Ala.) Superspeedway.
April 28, 1993: 23 players and officials of Zambia’s national soccer team, in Libreville, Gabon.
April 1, 1993: Alan Kulwicki, NASCAR’s 1992 champion, in Blountville, Tenn.🏎🛫
Dec. 8, 1987: 17 players of the Alianza Peruvian first-division soccer team in Lima, .
Aug. 16, 1987: Nick Vanos, Phoenix Suns center, in Romulus, Mich.
Nov. 25, 1985: Six members of the Iowa State women’s cross country team in Des Moines, Iowa.
Dec. 12, 1983: Rex Dockery, Memphis State football coach, with offensive coordinator Chris Faros and defensive back Charles Greenhill, Lawrenceburg, Tenn.
March 14, 1980: 14 members of the U.S. amateur boxing team in Warsaw, Poland.
Jan. 11, 1980: Bo Rein, LSU football coach, in the Atlantic Ocean.
Aug. 2, 1979: Thurman Munson, Yankees catcher, in Akron, Ohio.
Dec. 13, 1977: 14 University of Evansville basketball players and coach Bobby Watson in Evansville, Ind.
June 24, 1975: Nets forward Wendell Ladner, in New York.
Dec. 31, 1972: Roberto Clemente, Pittsburgh Pirates outfielder, from San Juan, Puerto Rico en route to Nicaragua to aid earthquake victims.
Oct. 11, 1972: 30 Members of a Uruguayan rugby club, in Chile.
Nov. 14, 1970: 36 Marshall University football players, in Huntington, W.Va.
Oct. 2, 1970: 14 Wichita State football players, in Colorado.
Sept. 26, 1969: 25 members of Bolivian soccer team “The Strongest”, in the Andes.
Aug. 31, 1969: Rocky Marciano, world heavyweight boxing champion, in Newton, Iowa.
June 4, 1969: Rafael Osuna, 1963 U.S. Open Tennis Champion, in Mexico.
April 28, 1968: Six members of the Lamar Tech track team, in Beaumont, Texas.
July 24, 1966: Tony Lema, 1964 British Open champion, in Munster, Ind.
Feb. 15, 1964: Ken Hubbs, Chicago Cubs second baseman, in Utah.
April 12, 1962: Ron Flockhart, Scottish racing driver, in Melbourne.
April 3, 1961: Green Cross, a first-division Chilean soccer team, in the Las Lastimas Mountains.
Feb. 16, 1961: 18 members of the U.S. figure skating team, in Belgium.
Oct. 10, 1960: 16 members of the Cal Poly-San Luis Obispo football team, in Toledo, Ohio.
Aug. 14, 1958: Six members of the Egyptian fencing team, in the Atlantic Ocean.
Feb. 6, 1958: Eight members of the English soccer champion Manchester United, in Munich.
Nov. 27, 1956: Charlie Peete, St. Louis Cardinals outfielder, in Venezuela.
Sept. 20, 1956: Tom Gastall, Baltimore Orioles catcher, in Maryland.
Oct. 30, 1954: Wilbur Shaw, three-time Indy 500 winner and President of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, in Decatur, Ind.
July 1, 1954: John McBride, Alabama halfback, in an ROTC training flight in Texas.
Oct. 27, 1949: Marcel Cerdan, former world middleweight boxing champion, en route to fight Jake LaMotta in Spain.
May 4, 1949: 22 members of Torino, the Italian soccer champions, in Turin, Italy.
June 2, 1943: Nile Kinnick, Iowa’s 1939 Heisman Trophy winner, in the Gulf of Paria.
March 31, 1931: Knute Rockne, Notre Dame football coach, in Kansas.
Oct. 18, 1925: Marvin Goodwin, Cincinnati Reds pitcher, in Houston.
By The Associated Press
Bobby Paluga
That’s a illogical way to think. Why not go look up the statistics and causes of all the aviation crashes you aforementioned then come back with better sense
Justin Smith
He makes no sense
@scottlowe
Wow not one mention of the DOM or mechanics that make it all happen.
Looks very expensive. Is this real ?
So why wouldn’t you just buy a single Airbus a321 in a single class configuration and fly everyone at one time? Would save you fuel and maintenance cost...
0:11 0:15
It’s a good thing there aren’t children going hungry in the world...glad to see money being well spent
James S Don’t set here complaining about people dying of starvation in a RACING VIDEO’s comment section instead go feed them if you really give shit dumbass
AMJD8
Or better yet go to the political parties whom caused most of the problems to begin with
You wasted money on a computer/tablet/smartphone when you could have spent that money on starving children....or better yet you could have given a starving child your smartphone to take their mind off their hunger by playing Angry Birds.
Bucky Ò'Donnaighle
Commenting nefariously on a racing video thread about people and their smart phones and computer, from your smart phone/computer 🤨 that makes no sense
? Who are the 150 people on a racecar team.
JGR has 8 teams, between the Xfinity and Monster Energy series'. 15-18 team members per car, plus support and admin staff that travel with the teams...it all adds up quickly.
How many of the teams are set up like this 🤔
and yet the drivers are still to good to fly with the people who work there asses off to make there cars as good as they can
Lol umad
Jordan Adkins
Yea he is
Yea maybe I have worked in the sport and worked on cars and support guys that made millions have u 2 fool's I dout that
steven cocchi
Did it for ten years bud. I made great money too
@@Smc954 Shut the fuck up you drooling moron. pathetic bitch aint ever been near this shit
Lol "Coach" Gibbs.
So you don’t know he was a famous NFL coach before starting a nascar team?
i hope the other teams catch on and use planes...........
NASCAR is losing fans someone told me..is that true?
Not me!
Attendance is down and many tracks have removed grandstands ( such as Daytona tearing down the stands on the backstretch). It's cost prohibitive for many families, young people for the most part aren't that interested in it and for the older crowd all their drivers retired. I don't think it's going to die but it's going to be scaled down dramatically from its peak.
More than people realize..
Not a DROP in bucket compared too F-1
It's hard to figure out who the flight attendants and coordinators are, oh wait...
Remember when flight attendants couldn't be overweight?
they make the WNBA walk
2:16 What's that word?
Fabricators
Ya like driving a race car for a living isn’t rewarding enough?
there's only 4 drivers in the cup series. they are talking about the 170 employees that don't drive cars...
There going to be the first to go when Nascar shuts down for good
Draw lightning mcqueen
Tax write off
Ask Jerry Jones?? Ask Joe Gibbs who is worth MORE?? Knowledge people's
good lord, other than the utter complete moronic rules that are in place on the races. this is second to why cup racing is dieing a slow pathetic death. i get the point that it gives the racers valuable time at home but think of the corporate money that the have to rely on. and the teams and nascar will compromise their every core belief in nascar racing to save that corporate relationship. not being able to spend a lot of time at home was what they sacrificed for love of racing. im in natural gas pipeline construction. im away a lot. and i imagine if i started flying around in a g6 id have to sacrifice a lot to keep it.
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These two planes cost $45 MILLION. Plus $thousands per hour operating costs. BS that it saves them money. Just another of many examples of total waste by teams today. Also teams/drivers have had planes since the 70's, dude is FOS that this is fairly new.
The cost of the planes doesn't matter, the depreciation does. If they buy it for $45 million and it's still worth $40 million after 5 years then their true cost was $5 million, not $45 million.
@@BradPhillips I'd say 15 to 20 million more or less. You can check out the prices on the internet of second hand A/c.
Tell us exactly how the "waste" personally affects you. OH! it doesn't?
Boy those girls need some diet don't they??😎😋
This guy talks about how precious time is with their families and it's tough traveling.....there are plenty of people that would LOVE to do all the racing stuff!!!
Quit whining!!!
I didn't hear or see anybody whining. It was said matter of fact.
Margie F It’s about quality of life. You want that guy/ girl that you have a lot invested in to stick around. 2 days lost in airline travel a week and the beat down that style of travel puts on you. The turn over would be incredible and there goes your consistency as a team. 170 people , each 2 extra days a week x 38 weeks /food/ transportation and turnover. That’s not including testing. I’m guessing you never had a job that requires a bunch of travel. You would quickly understand.
You can do the same. You just have to work hard to get there first. Be envious not jealous.
Id love to fly on one of those, but I probably have to sit in the back since I'm not white........but my ancestors owned all the land those tracks are on at one time. We had to start over on reservations, but we never gave up.
Slowly dieing..Well no more fleecing the fans cuz you’re not gonna have any
Kiss your planes good bye....Nascar is over...they just don't know that yet. They are in denial.
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Nascar won't see a penny of my money..
:23 , stick shaker...check
Gibbs racing seems to be running a great operation not like that other clown who flew his jet into the ground...cant remember his name
Jack Roush...
So glad I do not give a nickel to any sports. It has become mindless idoltry. What would I do without my NASCAR.
And yet the owners still make millions. Lmao. Punk bitch
Thats why i dont goto or wacth nascar anymore,high salarys high life styles and sucky new cars and rules.Enjoy it race teams the next gen car will kill of nascar for good.
how touching...smh..i have not been able to afford a race with my family in years...it is cheaper at home...more comfy ..and more crowded too..lol..
One of the reasons Nascar is too much 💰 and failing. I started racing in ‘72 and we did just fine racing from NH to Fl without planes, Tractor Trailers and 150 people on a team. Remember Alan Kulwicki won a championship with a dozen people.
Well it's inevitable since teams try to find a way to make things better on their behalf, like make travel easier/faster by having this plane.
Same could be said in any other things in this world.
Lmao all about money at the end of the day. And you Americans fall for it.
So, how does having an Aviation Department for this team (just as all of the other big teams have) improve the show on the track? Answer: It doesn't. It makes no difference whatsoever. However, it justifies why the teams are so big and the budgets are so big and the ticket prices are so high and why the souvenirs and t-shirts cost so much. It is ridiculous. And most of this bullshit started with the idiots in F1 who absolutely must have their catered meals and their hospitality areas. NASCAR felt it had to become ''big time' by flying drivers all over the country to sign autographs and having 100+ people attend every race. All of this costs huge amounts of money, and it all must come from somewhere. Of course, NASCAR appears to be oblivious to the number of fans who attend dressed as empty seats every week, and it's been that way for years. Covering up empty grandstands with corporate banners will only fool people for so long.
I understand your position but understand he has normally 6 teams at each race. I was associated with a Cup team in early 90s, they had a king air 2. They flew in race day crew that was also the shop crew. Usually 4 day event and flew in morning of 1st day of practice. Driver had his own plane or driver's shared rides on their planes. But cost of primary sponsor was $2.5 M. Now I understand it's 10 times that with the same or similar audience. IDK the answers but this seems reasonable to support 4 cup and 2 or 3 xfinity teams. I flew commercial to 30 to 35 misc major racing events for 8 yrs, 86-94. Out Thurs or Friday back usually Monday morning and straight office. It's great for 3 or 4 yrs then it's just a good job. The few events I was able to fly on our Corp jets, were much more comfortable. (Except for the stress of President or CEO being at the event. )
Transportation isn't the biggest cost problem in today's racing. It's cost of tech and employees. Multiple engineers on each team. The 4 post and now new laser tech devices. Yes it's out of control but jgr aviation for that many people is cheaper, faster, than commercial airlines. It saves at least 1 day per week for 150+ employees. Coach is on his own plane.
THE TEAMS ARE INDEPENDENT OF THE TRACKS MORON AND HAVE ZERO CONNECTION WITH TICKET PRICES.
oh no, van trips and commercial flights god forbid lol....shit like this is what has ruined nascar