Video shows JetBlue plane take off to avoid crash
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- čas přidán 12. 12. 2023
- Federal investigators say the tail of a JetBlue plane struck a Colorado runway during takeoff to avoid a head-on crash. FOX31's Rogelio Mares shows a video from the incident.
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"I hope you don't hit us" has to be one of the stupidest radio calls I've ever heard.
if you were smarter you wouldt be here calling things stupid
Second only to "any traffic in the area please advise"
@@bobbymac9877 No, he is correct, " I hope you don't hit us" IS the stupidest
even truck drivers on CB would not say that LOL
Especially when YOU are the one in the WRONG! He should be held accountable and have this pilots license REVOKED!
"I hope you don't hit us?" LMAO WHAT
Jesus take the rudder
As a pilot, I am 100% looking at my traffic screen whenever I take off, even at a towered airport. For JetBlue to not see this, with a pilot announcing they are on final, too, is just crazy. The King Air is also slightly at fault for having a big ego and not going around.
Landing traffic always has the right-of-way, so I blame JetBlue more than anything.
The King Air pilot was at fault for crappy radio communications. He was dinged by the FAA - not JetBlue.
As a pilot you should also know TCAS is often unreliable on the ground due to signal scattering/shadowing and what not. I fly the airbus and on the ground you often see TCAS targets zooming all over the place as if they were UFOs. It's not meant to be used for ground operations. ADS-B is, but the 121 world doesn't typically use ADS-B in (CDTI displays being an exception however they're experimental and also only meant for airborne use)
@@winstonchurchill3597 Aren't radio communications voluntary at non-towered airports? Not saying I agree with the King Airs ego, just surprised they can justify bad coms in uncontrolled airspace.
I mean it’s uncontrolled no one had to say anything over the radio. And landing traffic always has the right of way in comparison to someone on the ground
@@winstonchurchill3597imagine if jetBlue had just waited till the other traffic was on the ground?
Both pilots in this instance need a bit of extra training sessions. The King Air continuing the landing is crazy; the Jet Blue taking off without verifying what the hell is going on is crazy also.
@mcdonalds trainings start every friday, there is for sure need for shift leader😂
The Jet Blue crew KNEW what was going on, unfortunately, they were WRONG. Shit happens. Very poor judgement from the King Air driver was apparently did have the spatial picture.
Yes and where was the tower in all of this? Aren't they supposed to be controlling and advising the planes on where to go? Why would the controllers sit by and let this happen?
Pero ya era difícil en ese punto detener las dos maniobras tanto la de aterrizaje como la de despegue.
😰😰😰
@@chellycat14 Non Towered airport means anything to you?…
The "collision avoidance systems" are a marvelous work of engineering.
Diversity hiring practices haven't affected high-end instruments yet. But it will. ATC has become another democrat clown show. I predict massive loss of life mid-air or ground collision in America 2024. Too many close calls are happening.
Not active on the ground.
TCAS is not activated on the ground so…
Tcas cant tell you to descend or ascend if you are on the ground..
If you are on the ground there is one option, ascend.@@Gamerboy-gy1rl
As a retired airline pilot I am surprised that these pilots did this. If the King Air was on final approach for 28, he would/or should have reported his position and had the right of way. If this was the case Jet Blue should have held short of the runway and ought to have cleared the runway when the King Air called on final. The TCAS system has a 25 mile range and ought to have been giving position data of the other aircraft. Big mistakes on both aircraft pilots.
Doubtful King air will have tcas
both aircraft need TCAS and it may or may not work unless the aircraft is in a certain position, in the air or have enough speed. I dont know about real life but TCAS doesnt work in MSFS when on the ground for..... obvious reasons.
You just need mode C to show a target.@@dvpro1
Both pilots should be fired. They obviously don't have enough common sense to be pilots. If there is any doubt that there might be another plane on the run way don't land or take off. Complete idiots should not be pilots.
@@dvpro1iirc I thought king airs had at least a TA though?
As an airline pilot, have flown a B737 in and out of there many times. Extremely dangerous airport. No control tower, no radar contact, mountainous terrain. Tragic incident is inevitable.
Add the new millennial diversity hires to the mix!! I think I will be doing a lot more driving!!
For my own education, don't planes usually take off and land from the same direction (due to prevailing winds)? Why was the King Air landing INTO JetBlue's direction of take-off? Why wasn't King Air behind JetBlue (or JetBlue at the other end of the runway)? Cross-wind conditions? Terrain?
@Davaldod sometimes there's no wind so it's a S show.
@@95youngtom Found the bigot.
@@ostrich67Doesn't make him wrong.
What I can’t believe is, that large planes like this operate out of air fields without towers/controllers.
It blows my mind that B737s are allowed to operate at untowered airports. GA planes… maybe. I think all airports should have ATC and ramp control. I’m glad I’m in the UK where there are such towers-especially given I’m a ramper.
@mikoto7693 I want u to listen up very closely to what I'm about to say, understand buddy boy? I'm a GAYBLACKMALE. I am a commodity. I'm priceless. I rule the world.
Yeah i don't get that..
I'm a commercial pilot and I fly to untowered airports all the time. It's not as wild west as you might think. All of these aircraft are still being monitored by ATC, just not people at the airport. These big planes just do the exact same thing they would do at a towered airport
I’m a commercial pilot as well and it’s just plain stupid because you aren’t only dealing with other commercial pilots.
Let’s not have a body count before making changes to prevent this from happening again.
What changes do you suggest?
@Jsmith8 at least an in depth study for safety improvements
@@MikeSmith-do5gu Well you should read the final report for that.
@@JimMacintosha system that enforces runway IN USE for everyone, and noone messes around unless actual emergency. Or you put someone in the tower, a third party to decide upon conflicting intentions.
Second, "who, where, and what intentions in what timeframe ?" On uncontrolled airport, don't be a douche, state who you are, where are you, where are you going and how you intend to achieve it, all stated clearly, calmly, without any missing piece and no unnecessary pause. When you don't tell the expected time frame between your intention to land and short final right away, it's everyone's guess how long everybody on the ground will have to wait, 2 minutes or 20 minutes..!? No wonder why some douche don't care and just line up, time is money, but in the first place, one failed to be clear and precise and you don't spot a tiny king air until it's usually too late : never expect a visual, only rely on common mental spacetime scheme.
Depending on the circumstances (visibility, terrain, etc.), REVISE the stupid rule of "whoever lands has right of way". That's not ONLY how you avoid crashes. Airborne crafts can make a 360 (not all of them, but a king air or cessna, sure), a long final, hold or as a last resort go around. Like on the road, whoever got room (time and space ) to proceed first HAS right of way (providing safe margins were okay). That way, even if you have right of way and someone enters your lane 200ft away, DON'T be a douche, do what is required to ease traffic flow. The same for airplanes, if you're some 5 minutes away to land, even head on on a lined up jet ready to take off, SLOW DOWN, make a 360 or whatever to GIVE ROOM. Otherwise, the amount of lost time, headaches and administrative hassle unnecessarily rocket. The goal is not only to be safe, but also to MAKE money, avoid delays, avoid traffic jams and be EFFICIENT. Controllers are very good for that, but when you don't have one, be fair, not because you're airborne you can make everyone else wait..
Perhaps better pilot training!
Amazes me that these airports still use cameras from 2001.
I agree...we have better cameras at vending machines for crying out loud.
The radar systems are sometimes even older.
You buried the Leeds here: why is there a major carrier flying out of this airport with NO ATC. That’s like going out of LGB with no ATC.
@@indosilverclubpt2787 cause there are only 2 terminals. The airport is the size of a restaurant. LOL
@@Sahadi420 my guy, LGB is ONE terminal.
Unbelievable. This should not have happened.
No air control tower = disaster waiting to happen!!!
Genius
I just watched a video that said this is going to be happening more and more because air traffic controllers are not having to be as educated as they used to be
@@spoonypoon7998 Well yeah, they're hired based on their skin color and not their actual skill.
@@spoonypoon7998 media propaganda
Eventually, the system will run out of good luck. Good luck is not a way to run a system.
The system should not have been relied on at all, the king air called her intentions, as did the jet blue bird. One or the other should have deviated.
There is no room for Ego's when there are lives at stake.
Egos
Playing "chicken" in airplanes? Irresponsible and stupid.
There is room for Eggo, though.
As a Airline Captain myself flying the 787-9 and 10 i can assure you we ALWAYS take TCAS sereous, also on the ground. NEVER take off with any kind of warning! Better to find out that TCAS was wrong then that TCAS finds out YOU were wrong! (We always say that during our pre-flight briefings 💪) ✈️
Thank you for your great job keeping us safe in the air, Captain!
An MSFS airline pilot, perhaps. 😄
Thank you for the work you do. Makes us passengers feel that bit safer.
It seems both pilots have responsibility here.
Legally, who had the right of way?
I know aircraft on final have the right of way but cannot land on a runway that is occupied.
If the airliner took the runway without knowing of the airplane on final, but then became aware of it, I think he should have held or vacated if reasonable. To initiate the takeoff run knowing there is an airplane on final even if they believe it is behind them, is wrong without clear communication with the other plane.
Anyway, what is the correct procedure for this if it were to happen again?
TCAS TA’s and RA’s are inhibited on the ground. A REAL pilot would know this…
Jetblue shouldn’t have started the take off roll. Once Jetblue started rolling, the Kingair should have gone around, because it’s not safe for Jetblue to reject at high speed. King Air would have the better view of the whole thing. I’m an airline Captain.
Apparantly, *everyone* in the comments here is an airline pilot. In MSFS, yes, they most likely are.
Agree 100 percent. Kingair could have caused a disaster.
That seems to be the FAA’s conclusion, too.
you are so correct and the king air should have gone around just aavoid any collision from occuring
@@kahmed7328well the KingAir had the right of way but maybe he was in a better position to fix jetblues mjstake. It’s hard to tell without really knowing the exact positions.
When I was a kid, I flew from South africa to London. Upon arrival at Heathrow we where put into a holding pattern. The weather on the ground was overcast and flying above the clouds, we couldn't see the ground. I was always fond of staring out the window during landings/takeoffs so I always took the window seat. As I was idly staring out the window, a plane flew out of the clouds right towards the side of our aircraft, then banked left, pulled up and flew over us. It all happened so fast I had no time to react but in that moment I saw the pilots, white dots in the windshield of the approaching aircraft and when it flew over, I just felt the slightest change in the aircraft almost as like a slight whoosh or like the air pressure just changed. Then nothing...no announcement, no explanation, I feel like I was the only one on the whole aircraft who saw it. I turned to my mom and told me what I saw and she didn't believe me, when I got off the aircraft the captain was standing there, saying goodbye to the disembarking passengers as they walked past...in my kids brain I thought he would surely say something to me about what happened but he didn't say anything. I never mentioned it again until today.
Experienced a similar thing over the Atlantic. We were at cruise (maybe 33k feet), when I noticed a tiny dot in the distance. I only had enough time to think, "what's that?" Then "Oh it's another plane." before it zoomed by about 1000 ft over us perpendicular to our heading. It happened so fast there wasn't even time to be afraid that we might collide. It was all over before my thought processes even comprehended what I was observing.
@@solandri69 This is fairly standard. On large air transport corridors traffic is seperated by 1000ft as sky lanes.
@@solandri69 Thats standard traffic separation. The OP's story is fucking nuts lol.
Wow, just a heavy wow. Such a wild thing for a kid to see.....
maybe it was actually far away and becuz ur a kid, u feel like it was really close to you. Aircraft have a TCAS system, it automatically detects and advises pilot what to do to avoid the collision
The King Air should of abandon his approach as soon as he heard JetBlue was departing in opposite direction. Instead he makes a snarky comment "I hope you don't hit us." Probably why he got dinged for the cause of this mishap.
Both crews got dinged. It’s in the NTSB’s final report.
“The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident to be:
The captain's rotation of the airplane pitch before the rotation speed on takeoff due to his surprise about encountering head on landing traffic, which resulted in an exceedance of the airplane's pitch limit and a subsequent tail strike.
Contributing to the accident was the flight crew's expectation bias that the incoming aircraft was landing on the same runway as they were departing from, and the conflicting traffic's nonstandard use of phraseology when making position calls on the common traffic advisory frequency.”
Landing traffic has the right of way.
"I hope you don't hit us." Just like self-righteous driver knowing they have the right of way and did nothing to avoid a collision.
@@allansaperstein4481 That's a useless comment if the pilot on the ground mistakenly thinks the landing plane is behind them.
100% wrong. The King Air was on late finals. It was the JetBlue that should not even have entered the runway, with a plane on late finals. That's why the King Air pilot is so surprised that the JB just announces he is taking off. The video even stated that the JB pilot (wrongly) thought the King Air was landing *BEHIND* him. Did you even watch the video?
Entertaining to read many of the responses. I couldn't resist. I am a current 767 pilot for a commercial US carrier. I regularly fly US to London. I've flown ops in many regions around the world. Based in Asia for 11 yrs, I've also flown in many uncontrolled fields abroad and in the US. It's all basically the same. A landing aircraft would have the right of way. There are rules to this. We don't know fuel or fatigue state. While many will argue what the KA could or should have done...... should they swerve left or weave right? What if any of those actions put him in the path of the unpredictable JB? The JB crew was unaware of the position of the other aircraft. Situational awareness is always a pilots ally. A position report "on final" was given and it was ignored or misinterpreted. The KA could have been on a 10 mile final or 50 feet from touchdown. JB should have stayed put until they had a better fix on the situation. Remedial and hopefully, they won't get anyone killed in the future.
You, too, hope they won’t hit you
You didn’t need to list your full résumé. Just saying you were a pilot, would’ve been sufficient lol.
It’s common sense that landing traffic has the right of way, since they are in the air and subject to all matter of potential emergencies.
Thank you for your detailed comment and for providing your background. Clearly this has prompted jealousy.
Right of way is for figuring out who goes first, not for blindly creating a dangerous situation. It seems the KA pilot could see what was unfolding, so regardless of JB's actions he was already in the air and had full control of how this was going to unfold. There is no excuse for him continuing to a head-on situation just because he might have been 'right'. "Unpredictable," exactly. This would make me say Ok I'll just fly around the pattern for a bit till this idiot (JB) is safely out of the area. File a NASA report, call JB operations, FSDO, whoever you want later, but don't cause a fucking crash. No excuse for this. Otherwise I agree with the rest of your comment.
@@vincentsutter1071 how would you arrive at that conclusion? All I did was state a fact. His full résumé was not necessary. If it did something for you, then I’m happy on your behalf.
What’s going on?!!! It’s like no one is learning the lessons from PAN AM/KLM 1977 collision in Tenerife!🤦🏾♀️
The name “Tenerife” popped up in my mind.
I am thinking nobody was really talking or listening at this airport... This is the issue with complacency and CTAF and we see it all of the time in untowered airports. JB clearly had zero situational awareness and I am guessing this probably stems from a bit of departure task saturation and get-there-itis. Nonetheless, If I were the PIC of the King Air, we would have sidestepped, flown the downwind and landed 10 not 28, but I am also not an egocentric sociopath. This same scenario happened when I was flying a C-130 and a conquest decided to take off into my well communicated 2 mile final. We saw him on the runway and we saw him accelerate, so we banked hard to the right and flew left traffic and landed behind him. Needless to say we immediately reported it.
Uncontrolled airports with a busy traffic pattern can get real sporty at times. You absolutely have to have your head on a swivel and ears glued to the CTAF. I’d be really interested in the investigative outcome of this particular incident.
Jet Blue in the hurry to take off got its *-butt hurt-* ass dragged. I bet passengers in the cabin didn't even know they've been to hell and back.
i seriously doubt they didnt hear the tail slamming into the ground and scrape along ....
The King Air should have gone around as soon as they realized what was going on.
Why on earth is the FAA even allowing scheduled airline service at an uncontrolled airport?
Why not? If pilots properly communicate on CTAF and listen, they are just fine.
Did you...watch the video? @Jetairplane that's why
@@WN_Byers Yes and it clearly shows that the near miss could have been avoided had pilots been paying attention.
Airliners operate frequently in/out of non-tower airports.
It is not an issue. The Airport is controlled, but doesn't have a tower frequency which means that aircraft will be on unicom for flight operations. On the report it was the King Air 350's fault due to them not specifying their vectors or communicating their landing intentions and not deviating for the bigger aircraft.
This incident is tailor made for Dan Gryder. The pilots exchanged position reports but never had a conversation, asked question, or worked out who would wait for the other to go first.
Amen. I started doing the conversion thing as a result of Dan’s work.
I do the same. I work it out with others who can go first what their plans are and work myself into the flow. I have a strong policy never to takeoff into landing traffic.
I'm not sure who that is. An author that covers near misses?
@@mediocreman2 He’s an aviation CZcamsr. A retired airline pilot whose channel is devoted to reducing general aviation fatalities. He stresses the importance of having a conversation with other aircraft in the pattern rather than just giving position reports as occurred here. His channel youtube.com/@ProbableCause-DanGryder?si=k8MngfHRKa1nhGDl
JetBlue had already started their takeoff roll when KingAir reported themselves on final. 1) KingAir should have reported in earlier. 2) JetBlue should have waited a moment for a reply after announcing takeoff before rolling. 3) Once realizing JetBlue had initiated a takeoff (unsafe to abort), KingAir should have gone around instead of playing chicken.
It’s just a matter of time. More and more near misses have been occuring.
Pilots are overworked
Tcas did its job despite these two pilots being unprofessional! Near misses have been there for over 50 years! Just more easily reported now.
O tráfego de pouso sempre prioridade.
No not really. We just have so much media now we hear everything. Near misses used to be alot more common along with collisions.
Jet Blue pilot should not have believed the King Air was coming in behind him. Every runway has two identifying numbers to indicate direction of travel. King Air pilot was clear in his transmission of his direction. Jet Blue clearly should have held position on the ground.
I'm confused as to why they assumed the plane will land from behind them. it sounds like the pilots need more awareness of the traffic flow at that airport.
Don't they announce what runway they're landing on, and isn't the runway identifier actually designed to specify direction, compass wise?
@@CosmicCleric Exactly. I have no idea why JetBlue thought KA was behind them when they called out runway 28.
Landing aircraft have priority over departing aircraft CFR 91.113. The King Air had the right of way.
With too much confidence though.
The issue was not a fight over who had the priority!! it was a miss communication. Wrong assumptions.
@@anboobaImagine if jetBlue had just waited 5 minutes till they had a visual on the King Air or it had landed.
Although you are correct, the king air pilot wasn’t using the correct runway. They should have listened to the weather to tell them which runway would be best to use. If there’s departing traffic, that’s even better because that not only has you land in the wind, but it also increases collision avoidance.
@@HoustonGamerTVHGTV it is an uncontrolled airport. there wasn't a "right" runway
All the people who watch plane footage know this is a learning moment.
You know it's a slow news day when you feature "new evidence" of a two year old close call.
Was landing at MIA a few years ago, and my Delta flight was almost on the ground when suddenly the engines spooled back up, we pulled up quick and the plane banked sharply (to where I was almost looking straight down at the ground). The pilot came on the intercom to apologize saying it was a miscommunication. Would later find out that there was another aircraft still on the runway that hadn’t made it to the taxiway yet 👀
While im sure that was a bit unnerving. That just shows the the system is working. Air traffic controllers are forced to run min separation between planes due to volume. Sometimes it just doesnt quite work and a arrival has to be sent around.
Yikes!
This happens probably 40-50 times a day in the US airline industry. Runways are used every 2 minutes for either a takeoff or a landing at some airports. Sometimes the spacing gets a little too tight and you abandon the landing. Not a big deal at all
@@tydaftpk38 Had the same thing happen on my flight landing at LAX. We were maybe 200 ft from the ground, when the engines suddenly spooled up and we banked to the right away from the airport. I was seated at a left window, and got to see another plane on the same runway just beginning to lift off. The pilot told us over the PA that the missed approach was due to "traffic." I'm guessing he played out the worst possible scenario in his head (other plane has to reject its takeoff, while we landed behind it), and decided to play it safe.
Our arrival was delayed by about 25 min. But we got a nice low-altitude tour of downtown Los Angeles as we circled around.
@@tydaftpk38 over 2 million people in the air flying around in a metal tube at 37k feet doing 550 mph at any given moment. Fucking incredible.
Thought that was a normal Ryanair departure.
Jet Blue shoulda known that the King Air was NOT behind him if he was departing on 1 Zero and King Air was on final on 28...Jet Blue captains needs some training.
Very lax attitude from both pilots, and the KingAir pilot should have said "JetBlue abort your departure, we are on finals" instead of "I hope you don't hit us".
To everyone saying JetBlue could've seen the aircraft on TCAS, it's highly possible that the King Air ADS-B out was not communicating to a ground station. As you can see the terrain in the surrounding area is mountainous, also ADS-B out can communicate with other aircraft, omitting the need for ground based stations to relay positions. Again there could have been something blocking the information to JetBlue. As a CFI, I have experienced many instances where aircraft short final will disappear for a little bit the re-appear on my MFD as traffic. Before taking off, always make sure both sides are clear visually, not every pilot is wise enough to use the favoring wind runway when landing. Stop relying on TCAS, look outside and use your eyes, they never lie.
Uh, TCAS and ADS-B are two completely different things
TCAS in Ground mode wont give aural traffic alerts. Many move to an air mode at 35 knots. If JB didn't look at TCAS prior to takeoff, they would have gotten a warning during the takeoff roll. SURPRISE!
@@hortod1 You're right but most people aren't familiar with the ACAS system at utilizes ADS-B on most aircraft or at least will do so. But essentially the same concept is still relevant and most airliners are switching to ADS-B transponders. TCAS is not the right thing for me to say, my fault!
@@NuxDriver Huh that's something I didn't know! Thanks for the info
Everyone pin this. Good rule to follow.
I'm only a drone pilot but I had to study and pass the test on airport operations. So here's a question for manned pilots. Since the JetBlue says he's taking off on 10 and the King Air says he's on final approach on 28, shouldn't that have been a give away to each pilot that they're heading into each other?
Yes but sounds like JetBlue accepted a clearance with a 2 minute void time which is abnormally short. Got busy, not paying attention, missed several calls from the Kingair, not looking out the window or at the tcas screen until it gave an RA. Pretty easy to miss someone looking out of the window but glancing at the tcas screen is a good habit to be in when you’re about to roll onto the runway. (Other nearby planes are depicted on there and their altitudes.)
@@extraaceTCAS doesn’t give a RA that low to the ground
Tower controlled airports typically don’t allow opposite direction traffic to the same runway. The news mentioned expectation bias. When your brain hears what it expects and not what was actually transmitted. Jet blue expected the king air to be landing same direction and didn’t process the radio call. Good thing to brief at an uncontrolled field during your threat brief.
Lol Drone “Pilot”
@@TheModelGuy -- I've met drone pilots who have more skill than some regular pilots I know.
Once the Jet Blue takes the runway the other aircraft needs to go around. You cannot land on an occupied runway. You can file your complaints later.
Unfortunately, this kind of thing happens alot in the US. Both pilots are in the wrong. But the King air pilot noticed the problem and still continued. Thats where it got dangerous.
Compared to profits, safety is like tenth, not first. I guarantee you the people who run airlines have already worked out how much the lawsuits will be after a crash and have canned "thoughts and prayers" statements ready to go and don't give a rat's ass.
Wondering if one aircraft was landing or taking off with the wind and the other against, which would seem questionable, unless it's a cross wind. Either way to even have them landing and taking off in opposite directions at an uncontrolled airport and on the same runway seems beyond crazy. Utter madness.
Landings and take offs almost always go the same direction. You want to land and take off INTO the wind. Only reason they would is if terrain prohibited the use of one direction?
Also the possibility of zero wind that day.
Uncontrolled fields are not uncommon even in 121 operations. Jet Blue should have not taken runway / cleared when the KingAir announced final of opposite runway. Landing has right of way.
That's also assuming that the King Air pilots were making continuous position reports and the JetBlue pilots were even on frequency when they were making them. They got their IFR release from Approach Control and then would have switched to the CTAF to make their position reports.
The FAA doesn’t agree with you.
@@SeanPat1001 Which part?
I was turning base with my instructor when a plane came onto the freq after being cleared to change frequencies (I fly in the DC SFRA, so a lot like IFR radio procedures); that plane called a final on practice approach the opposite way. We called base again and they again called "2 mile final" opposite way. They were landing with a tailwind and we were already lower and closer to the field, but my instructor said: "They're wrong, but I don't want to be dead right." We turned away and let them land.
Point being here that the King Air may have been right (landing traffic before taking off traffic), but playing chicken with an A320 is just dumb.
@@ddthompson42 Which pilot was at fault.
The Jet Blue pilot was on an Instrument flight plan in contact wit ATC. He was given clearance to depart on Runway 10 (a compas heading of 100 degrees- basically West). The King Air pilot apparently was not, so I assume the weather was good. There was likely no radar in the area) but King Air was transmitting his intentions to land straight-in on 28 (a 280 degree Easterly heading) on the local CTAF frequency.
After hearing, “I hope you don’t hit us” the Jet Blue pilot could have said, “King air, Jet Blue is half way down runway 28. I apologize if there was a miscommunication, but please divert to the South and I will divert north after takeoff. Please state your altitude and climb if possible”.
The King Air pilot would likely have said, “No worries. I’m 6 miles West at 5,000. The winds are calm, I’ll divert South and land on runway 28”.
Pulling the nose up early and suddenly was also a rookie mistake that probably cost Jet Blue well over $1,000,000.
People at non-towered airports do whatever they want - just like reckless, inconsiderate jack-asses on I-5 weaving in and out of traffic, passing on the right, squeezing in between YOUR vehicle and an 18-wheeler trying to move over to an exit. I've watched somebody cut off a student pilot in the traffic pattern like she wasn't even there. He just entered a base leg with 5 other planes on downwind.
Jet Blue made the mistake but both pilots are responsible for keeping their passengers alive...
Careful. Japan Air Lines Flight 123 had a tail-strike, and the repairs weren't done properly. Then, seven years later, the bulk-head blew out, taking the tail with it. Still the world's deadliest airplane crash. Out of 524 people, only 4 survived.
Don’t worry. That was in the 80’s. There have been plenty of tailstrikes in the past and lots of accidents never happened because of bad repairs.
The only accidents I can remember that was faulted from bad repairs of tailstrikes were
China Airlines 611
And Japan air 123
Unbelievable that airlines would operate at a non tower airport!!😮
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this! I’m also not a fan of uncontrolled ramps, but that’s probably because I’m a ramper over in the UK.
Eh. Theres nothing inherently risky about it. These pilots just messed up
I'm confused... two aircraft heading *towards* each other on the one runway? I thought both take-offs and landings were into the wind?
Uncontrolled airport means pilots have discretion on runway they use, also wind may not always be inline with the runway, could have been no wind or a direct crosswind meaning either runway was suitable.
Either way JetBlue should have confirmed the KA position before take-off instead of assuming they were behind. Their mistake has damaged their aircraft and nearly caused a worse incident.
King Air on final has priority. Jet Blue should have held short. However, once the Jet Blue aircraft was on the roll the King Air needed to wave off
You said it quite simply
As a passenger plane pilot of 85 years I have to say these are rookie mistakes
“85” years?
Are you 100 years old? Or is this a typo?
@@DrivsterHe said he's 85 years old, not that he's FLYING 85 years. You didn't understand it.
It's frightening and baffling to me, that near misses still occur. Especially with all the technology installed in aircraft.
Seems like hubris is a major factor, as well as situational awareness. Unfortunately, technology can't really compensate for those behaviors.
Technology is the reason many of these are near misses in the first place. Otherwise they'd be hits
What is weird to me is the incoming King Air was landing in the opposite direction and orientation to the departing Jet Blue, I always though wind conditions determined same direction for both take off and landing
Most planes can land with up to a 10 knot tailwind.
Maybe it was a crosswind
That winglet from the wallpaper 😂😂😂😂😂
Very unprofessional pilots from both planes. Ego at play here on who got to use the runway first.
Especially the Jet Blue pilots, which I assume is more experienced than the one in the small plane.
The king air didn’t make the radio call that they were setting up for landing 28, JetBlue and all others stated they were taking off the other end of the runway. The king air should’ve turned away when JetBlue pilots correctly stated they were taking off runway 9. Why they continued the approach is dereliction of pilot duties and the king air pilots should have their licenses suspended or revoked.
Couple of things. Denver center did NOT clear JB for takeoff! JB received what’s called a clearance void time. So at uncontrolled fields we call ATC ( Center) on a different frequency to get our IFR clearance after that clearance is received center will say which runway are you going to depart and how long before ready! They prob said Number 1 ready now runway 10. Then JB received a release which will go something like this.
JB … you’re released for departure clearance void if not off by ….Z time now is …Z if not off by the clearance void time call back with intentions. So JB will switch back to “CTAF” common traffic advisory frequency and state intentions to local traffic.
According to this report The King air reported final for 28 after the JB called we are departing runway 10. Personally if I were the Jet blue I would’ve exited the runway and got a new clearance void time however if I were the king air would’ve gone around and gave way. My professional opinion bad “ADM” Aeronautical decision making on both parts.
The King air was obviously not on an IFR flight plan because JB would’ve never been released from ATC for departure until the King Air cancelled their IFR flight plan.
If there is no control Tower it’s an uncontrolled airport.
The JB saying well we are taking off now after the king air states they were on final for 28. Then then king air pilot states after that “well, I hope you don’t hit us”.
Really!!?? Absolutely HORRIFIC ADM on both aircraft crew members.
If that’s what really happened and that was the true sequence of events.
Phew, could’ve been truly a tragedy.
"Well were taking off now" "Hope you don't hit us" More than enough clues to indicate a take off should not have happened.
Bro was having a hard time saying tail strike
You are NOT cleared for takeoff at a non-towered fields, you make your own calls. That aircraft got an IFR clearance from ATC, not a take off clearance.
I love how their “expert” was an idiot
What made you say that?
I have a King Air Mattress 🙂
And older than this news, hehe 😋
Took the NTSB nearly 2 years to release a report.
That was a situation that could have, and SHOULD have been avoided 100% of the time. especially when both pilots were fully aware of one another's intentions, and positions. Shameful.
I'm a private pilot that flies out of an uncontrolled Colorado airport that sees a lot of major air carrier traffic. This does not surprise me at all. Airline guys fly like they own the place regardless of rightof way rules in the FAR.
I had an AA 737 play chicken with me on the same runway we both landed on. I had right of way but he refused to go around. As i was about to touch down he announced 5 mile final. As i was braking trying to make the nearest taxiway i could see him coming right at me on short final. I cleared the runway and they landed seconds later.
Airlines and biz jet guys will try to bully anyone in a c172 at an uncontrolled airport in my experience.
Crews of both aircraft were unprofessional. It’s only going to get worse.
Airtransport is the safest its even been. It's clearly an isolated incident.
Why is it going to get worse? European airline travel is just as safe as in the States, and they don't have a nonsense 1500 hour limit like we do. The 1500 hour rule is not beneficial. All you're doing is forcing people to sit in the right seat and teach someone for 1200, 1300 hours. They're not actually developing better stick and rudder skills or developing better CRM or running flows. They're teaching and reteaching the same basic skills to new pilots and correcting them when they make mistakes.
@@cybersquire Seconds away of killing hundreds of innocent people certainly goes to show the safety of the airport
@@ILikeTuwtlespilot shortage, woke hiring policies and inexperience.
@@ILikeTuwtles- You don’t have a clue on this issue. It is too complicated and I don’t have time to expound at the moment, but the 1500 hour rule is minimally adequate. The problem is that up and coming in pilots seem to believe they are owed a seat in an airliner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The problem isn’t that 1500 hours is too much experience to require, it’s that it doesn’t cap the amount of instructing that can be counted as part of that 1500. They need to be forced out into the real world to gain experience beyond just instructing before being admitted to the cockpit of an airliner operating under Part 121, because one simply doesn’t have the opportunity to learn a lot of basic airmanship skills when one gets to a modern Part 121 air carrier operating modern equipment.
King Air undisputably had the right of way, it's right in our basic textbooks and regs. Whether JB didn't register the runway spoken by the other aircraft or willfully disregarded it is unknown, but considering the timing and the intent to take off ahead they must have assumed King Air was behind them not in front.
If the King Air had specified a runway, the would have helped a lot. But saying “10” and then changing to “28” is not specifying a runway.
king air should have just said "screw it" and gone around. it's the difference between being right and being dead.
Based on the NTSB report, the King Air 350 was the one that got dinged due to not specifying their vectors or communicating their landing intentions and not deviating for the bigger aircraft. JB shouldn't be operating in an unmanned airport however.
This airport is not "unmanned", there are airport ops, ramp handlers (which can be seen in the video), etc. If the term you meant was "non-towered" , then you are wrong. Pretty much every airline (United, American, Delta, etc) operates from some airports that either have no tower, or at times when the tower is closed. It happens with thousands of flights at these major airlines every day and there are usually zero issues.
@@calcutronsmith9198They said “untowered”.
Untowered.
@@mellocello187 No, they said "JB shouldn't be operating in an unmanned airport however."
@Cueseca Agree 100%
What was the “active” runway and wind direction at the time? Who was on the wrong runway?
A pilot friend of mine would never take such a risk. Seriously if he doesn't 100% know where that King Air plane is. He isn't taking off.
I can't blame him. If you know of a hazard and don't know its location, you can't make an accurate safety plan. At that point, if you take off anyway you may as well be blindfolded
It’s really frustrating that pilots have to risk their lives and the lives of their passengers at airports like this. JetBlue should have stayed. If you aren’t sure then don’t take off and hope for the best. You just risked everyone’s safety for that.
Watching that tail strike makes me think of Tenerife😢
Someone should definitely be fired that was a poor judgement and lack of proper communication and done scratched up the Ass of a healthy jet smh
Flying a commercial airliner in an airport without atc seems risky to me.
“I hope you don’t hit us” has to be one of the dumbest remarks ever made. The pilot of the landing plane should have said something like “taking emergency avoiding action” along with the direction he was going to take and current altitude. Furthermore, any airport that has similar commercial traffic should be required to have an air controller.
I missed the tail strike in the video. Can you show it once more?
Tailstrikes are actually not all that uncommon, but the Airbus supposedly has computerised precautions to prevent them. So there is your next question.
Not for an A320 in Ground mode. In Ground mode there's a direct relationship between stick position and control deflection with no envelope protection to limit your pitch attitude. You can smack the tail every time. It will yell "Pitch, Pitch" at you but that's it.
@@lukegerst2382 back in my time in a tower (80s) I used to see occasional tailstrikes, but B727s had tail skids, to protect them. Used to see them parked on the tarmac with scarring.
It isn't that the jet didn't have enough speed, it's that he rotated more than usual.
Exactly
Probably didn't even hit V1
Hol' up, this happened in January 2022! Slow news day?
Newly released report including video. duh.
Why is there no tower at a commercial airport? Let alone one that busy?
The JetBlue pilot should have his license revoked by the FAA immediately. He risked the lives of everyone on board both planes, plus potential first responders at an airport that was no where near a major hospital for no reason whatsoever other than his ego and extremely poor decision making skills. In fact what he did borders on criminal behavior. That JetBlue did NOTHING to this pilot and won't even acknowledge the incident in a media release shows how unsafe this airline is and how tight the job market for pilots is. He should be unemployable as a pilot. Instead he IS Jetblue.
To think this could have almost been a Tenerife Airport Disaster 2.0
Very thankful that it wasn’t and everyone managed to get out of this alive.
I'm wondering what happened to either pilot's radio work. Untowered field, they should have been announcing their intentions long before getting on the runway or on final. Who wasn't talking?Both of these pilots need a review of their piloting skills.
Hopefully this is addressed by the FAA. Need a solution before a tradegy.
There is a solution - follow the rules already in place and they would have been fine and realized what was going on before it got this far
- What .. ?
- NOT starting & landing in the same direction .. ?
Pop Quiz:
1 - Why didn't the King Air opt to go around?
2 - Why are the aircraft going in opposite directions when taking off and landing?
3 - Why doesn't this airport have a tower or radar?
And, why do we keep asking these types of questions when this should be standardized for EVERY airport GLOBALLY?
For 3, there are plenty of these CTAF airports, not sure how they are allowed by the FAA
my cat sometimes does that 'tail dragging on runway' maneuver too
Does she take-off?
The prevailing wind would dictate the runway in use. If winds favored RWY10 then it begs to question why the King Air was landing RWY28, defying the traffic pattern. Then again, according to ICAO, aircraft landing or intending to land have priority over aircraft departing, or intending to depart. 🤔
One on 2-8 and another at 1-0, they both should have concluded they’re on collision course.
Wonder if the King Air could have done a go-around AND the jetBlue flight abort landing - seems like the outcome that would have at the least been most comfortable for passengers, if not also good for avoiding the tail strike (and resulting damage to the A320).
Same thing happened to us in Seattle last year
What is the justification for landing and takeoff in opposing directions on the same runway? Should all traffic be flying into the wind?
Wind speed might have been zero, in which case there's no preferred direction except what's agreed upon by pilots using the airfield.
that type of near miss is common at 2 airports 1 bn Chicago O'Hare ( ORD) and one on the east coast due to the fact both airports have a few runways that cross each other the and 2nd they have 2 controllers on different radio frequencies
No ATC at an airport which looks to have a runway at least 6000 feet in length! But I bet they have TSA staff making sure that people don't have over-sized tubes of toothpaste in their carry on😂🤣
I dont like how they are saying it like this "The Full sized jet airliner hits its tail on the runway" and not the plane had a tailstrike
This could easily have become a tragedy of the King Air pilot being "dead right".
Great reporting.
Jet Blue plane trying to takeoff reminds of KLM tried same thing during collision on runaway in Tenerife
I'm absolutely shocked that major airlines operate at airports without towers.
When I got my private license I flew out an airport with no tower but it was only small props and a few private jets in a rural, low traffic area. Cant believe Jetblue accepts such liability. I havent flown in years. Can any pilots chime in if its common for commercial airliners to fly at CTAF airports?
I’m not a pilot, but yes, they are kinda common, judging from most of these comments. I used to live around a CTAF airport and always saw Airliners taking off/landing.
I blame the King Air on this one. But they both should have announce the runway they are going to land or take off instead of having a casual conversation.
Landing traffic has the right of way, JetBlue should have waited.
Why does a major airline fly out of a place with no tower or radar? WTH?
I remember when that airport opened I think late 80’s maybe early 90’s . They had a big shindig . We got to drive all the support vehicles around on the runways and kids . That airport is closer to Hayden than it is steamboat springs !
If there is no tower and the pilots at this airport control their own taxiing and such... then why couldn't the jetblue pilot just have waited a few seconds once he heard there was another plane coming in? Even if he thought it would come in behind him, isn't it better to be safe than sorry?