Caergwrle Castle - Welsh or English?
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- čas přidán 31. 01. 2023
- King Edward the 1st of England famously built a chain of castles through Wales. Known as the ring of iron, the castles were intended to subdue the Welsh as Edward strived to conquer the country of Wales and its Princes.
However, relations between the Welsh Princes and English royalty had not always been strained.
The last Prince of Wales, Dafydd ap Gruffydd had actually supported Edward and had fought against his fellow Welsh folks.
As a result, Edward gave some land to Dafydd and Dafydd started building a castle on the site of an ancient hillfort. Indeed, such was their friendship that Edward gave some financial support to Dafydd during the building of this castle.
Sadly, before the castle was completed, Dafydd and Edward had fallen out to such an extent that Dafydd was attacking Edward.
In response, Edward instructed Reginald de Grey to seize this castle. When Reginald arrived at Caerwgrle, Dafydd had already run away, leaving the castle in a state of disrepair.
After taking ownership of the castle, Edward instructed Reginald to make repairs.
Edward gifted the castle to his wife, Eleanor of Castile and made plans to establish a town at the base of the castle, for English residency only. Eleanor was granted the right to hold a weekly market in the town which we now call Caergwrle.
In 1283, work was still progressing on finishing the castle. Edward and Eleanor stayed over there. Unfortunately, there was an accidental fire. Edward and Eleanor had to flee from the castle which was destroyed such that it was left completely uninhabitable.
Caergwrle castle has never since been restored but is now an abandoned ruin which is very much worthy of a visit if you're in the area.
Caergwrle Castle is currently in the stewardship of CADW.
If you'd like to follow in our footsteps by visiting Caergwrle Castle, some useful information is on our website at www.haveagrandtour.co.uk/caer...
You are an excellent teacher. Enjoyed your video and you.
Wow, thank you!
I used to live just 5 mins walk from there, it certainly looks a lot tidier now than what it used to.
As I understand, the situation is as follows.....
The site of Caergwrle Castle was and still is in the ownership of Hope Community Council. However, as is often the case, this local council was struggling to pay for the proper upkeep of the castle. In 2018, guardianship of the castle passed to CADW who invested some money into the general maintenance and upkeep of the site.
I have personally visited Caergwrle Castle twice during my time in Wales and I also noticed the improvements on my second visit (when I captured the video).
Another good video. Just clarifying something, though. When Edward funded Dafydd to build Caergwrle Castle, Dafydd was not yet the Prince of Wales. His brother Llywelyn was Prince of Wales, and Dafydd had a strained relationship with him. In 1255, Dafydd and his younger brother Owain had fought against Llywelyn and the Battle of Bryn Derwin and lost. Owain was imprisoned for over 20 years at Dolbadarn Castle, while Dafydd was imprisoned but released the following year and restored to favour. However, Dafydd sided first with Henry III in 1263 in an attack on Llywelyn, and then again with Edward I against Llywelyn in the first war of Welsh independence in 1277, and hence was granted the land to build the castle. By 1282, Edward's treatment of the Welsh soured his relationship with Dafydd and Dafydd started the second war of Welsh independence by attacking Hawarden Castle. Llywelyn was drawn into the war, where he was ambushed and killed at Cilmeri on 11th December 1282. At that point, Dafydd became the Prince of Wales, but as he was already on the run from Edward's army, he never actually "ruled" anything. He was caught on June 22nd 1283 and taken to Shrewsbury where he became the first prominent person to be hanged, drawn and quartered.
Thankyou!
I thought nobles were beheaded and only commoners got the full HDQ treatment?
@@neilbuckley1613he was the first person of note to suffer that execution
Very enjoyable video!
Thankyou!
Do one on Ewloe Castle. Edward 1 must have wet himself when he saw it. It’s in a valley for a start
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I was taught that all Welsh castles are pretty much English, placed there as a statement by various monarchs to let the vanquished know who was in charge, for want of a better expression. The majority of Welsh castles are to be found in the north where resistance was greatest. The fact that most native Welsh speakers are still from the north suggests that it remains the area of strongest national passion. Now, I went to a bad school so just because I was taught it doesn’t make it true, but it is what I was taught.
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Some of the castles in Wales were native Welsh built - here are some :
Madrun. Ewlo
Cricieth. Rhodwydd - yn- Iâl
Deudraeth. Dinas Brân
Dolbadarn. Carndochan.
Dolwyddelan . Y Bere
Mathrafal. Dolforwyn
Aberystwyth. Nanhyfer
Ystradmeurig. Dryslwyn
Dinefwr. Carreg Cenen
Llanrhystud
Castell Hywel
Aberteifi
Deganwy
Dinbych
@@cymro6537 some 😂😂 loads of 'em Thank you for rectifying part of my poor education 👍
@@f0urstr1ng Not your fault - but the Welsh educational system - denied being taught our own native history.
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@@cymro6537 I’m English, only about 10 mins from the border but still. It seems our respective education authorities are (or were) in cahoots
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When you do Rhuddllan castle . As you will have to mention Parliment house which use to be a doctors surgery in the 60's as when we use to live in Bodelwyddan as i do not know how long it had been a surgery for . One more thing is you have to go to the church as they were working on it about the walls and to peoples surprise and the church there was 2 knights painted on the wall on the left and right hand side by the alter .
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You can see that the bottom rows of the walls are made of bigger stones and of a different technique. I wonder if Dafydd built on the iron-age walls on the site, and what else did they find from the iron age settlement? The Romans mostly built their castra from wood, but maybe in Britain a more permanent structure was warranted, although those bottom rows would be rather poor quality work for Roman construction.
I think that it was fairly common for castle to be added to and extended after being first built. I guess also, castles were sometimes repaired after battles etc.
It does seem quite common that castles were built on sites which had been previously used, which makes sense and is just as we still do today!
John
Interesting chain of comments below from @f0urstr1ng and @cymro6537
Although I'm fairly new and inexperienced on my journey through history, I do think it is important that history should never be erased and whilst it's fine for people to tell history in their own words, it's important to not move too far away from the facts. Also it's important to be open to being corrected.
When I was a kid in England, I was generally taught that the style of Norman churches was British and that King Edward was an English king.
Errrmmm.... Norman church architecture actually arrived in Britain when Guillaume le Conquerant left his hometown of Falaise in Normandy, France, sailed in a small boat and landed in England a short while later. So, in reality, Norman architecture is so called because it originated from the "Normans" of Normandy - France.
And then we move on to King Edward the 1st. English? Well, he was born in England and his father was, I suppose, technically English, but his mother, the clue is in the name - Eleanor of Provence. And Edward married twice, firstly to Eleanor of Castille and later to Margaret of France.
Then we move on to look at the great English castles built in Wales. English castles? Well, Flint castle was built by Richard L'engenour and Savoyard master mason James of Saint George.
And then I remember that the native Welsh are descended from people who have inhabited Wales since before King Edward, before the Romans and for thousands of years before then.
I do get intrigued by the often hidden connections between people and between places.
I was Laffing! when you said "Caer Girlie" castle, I thought, (well, never mind what I thought) its obvious he has never really looked at the name properly? (unfortunetlely like most English) it has got a W in it,(which you have missed out but it's important) so, if you said Gwirlie it is much better than what you said?
I know, my accent and pronunciation need a lot of work!
Although I live in Wales and spend my money in Wales, I was born in Yorkshire and can't change that!
It has always been a problem, not least when travelling in Europe and trying to order food in the local language!
Locals say Caer Girlie. Nearby Ponciau is pronounced Ponky. It’s NE Wales so anglicized. The chap is trying his best
Great information. Thank you so much.
You are so welcome!
Live in hope, die in Caergwrle , so the local saying goes 😂😂
I've heard that local saying a few times!.
But this is where it gets weird.......
I lived for a few years in the Peak District, Derbyshire.
In the Peak District, is the village of Hope which is right next to the village of Castleton.....
The "Derbyshire" Hope is home to the Hope Cement Works.
Castleton has a castle - Peveril Castle.
And the locals in Derbyshire were always ever so keen to point out the local saying........
Live in Hope and die in Castleton!
I do love these local folklore / sayings / myths / legends!
Interesting and informative video, however ,Caergwrle should be pronounced 'Cayerr - goor - leh'
*Not* Cayerr gurlie
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Thanks, I'll do my best!
Sadly, pronunciation has never been one of my better points.
Although I live in Wales and spend my money in Wales, I can not change the fact that I was born in Yorkshire.
This was always a problem when I travelled around Europe. I spoke a little French, Flemish, German even Croatian, but always with a strong Yorkshire accent.
I'm working on my Welsh pronunciation, but often my brain and tongue are as disconnected as taking the train from Harlech to Llanrwst in January!
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Nash!, There were self proclaimed welsh princes in various areas, but none recognised, or lawfully crowned. The first pow ratified was Edward ll in 1301. 3/10 see me !
So, the self proclaimed Welsh Princes were never legally recognised or crowned by the English Kings until 1301.
Would those English Kings be self proclaimed English Kings?
Both Edwards were of French descendency, married French women and maintained strong family connections & rulerships over the French?
To store his potatoes? 🤔
Mwaah! I see what you did there!
Sadly not though.
The potatoes are misleadingly named though. They should really be named King Edward VII potatoes, who they were named in honor of in 1902. They originate from the village of Scotter in Lincolnshire.
However, maybe potatoes were thrown from the castle ramparts as a form of ammo against invaders?