Enshrine or Decline: Barry Bonds' case for the Hall of Fame | Outside the Lines
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- Outside the Lines looks at Barry Bonds' legacy and his case for the Baseball Hall of Fame.
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• Bonds with steroids: HOF
• Bonds w/o steroids: HOF
• Can you tell the whole story of the MLB without Barry Bonds? No.
Sure... no problem ever since MLB initiated the degrading asterisk besides such Losers' names in the record book.
@@mandoist So you are okay with known users in the HOF then? Should they all have an asterisk next to their name for PED use?
@@mandoist it was never proven though so even then you could put a question mark but not an asterisk
@@flashfive12 no question mark or asterisk. Baseball benefited from that era. Are they giving the fans their money back? No. What about Boston and New York? Both franchises won the world series with steroid users in the lineup and on the mound? Will baseball make them forfeit their world series titles? No. If they're hall of famers, vote them in. You can tell the story without any silly mark next to their names.
Roid made him a video game player
Anyone who played in that era (85-2005) must be under suspicion. The fact that they put Big Papi in, who tested positive, and leave others out, is a disgrace. If Bud Selig is enshrined, why shouldn't everyone else be?
Anyone? Even Greg Maddux?
Barry Bonds should be in the HoF, btw. ESPN is gonna be ESPN, but race has nothing to do with it. The writers are just a-holes.
@@briansolo Agree on Bonds (Clemens, etc.). But yes, everyone in that era is allowed be under suspicion by the fans.
Do I think a guy like Maddux was on PEDs? No. But I would not blame anyone for casting doubt on any player, even Cal Ripken. These guys are just humans who feel pressure to perform, or like Bonds, are stricken with horrible envy.
@@CJK-bt4ll Bonds, Clemens, Rodriguez, Sosa, McGwire.
@@CJK-bt4ll why do you think Maddux is clean?
@@jamiealexander7065 He was not a power pitcher, though he could throw hard. Just never suspected. Maybe I'm wrong. I get criticized when I question if Ripken was on PEDs. Didn't he room with Brady Anderson during his home run season? I'm open to everyone doing it.
It’s funny how they have proof of other cheaters in the HOF but that’s not enough to let bonds in. Hilarious
@@jerryatkinson2855 what about all the guys who juiced and are in the hall? What’s your beef with bonds?
@@jerryatkinson2855 Ortiz got caught with the juice in 2003 and he’s in FIRST ballot
@@jerryatkinson2855 You are ignorant to facts. The juice is an excuse for the writers who hated Bonds. This is a popularity contest and nothing more.
All cheaters should be banned from hall of fame
@@byronsmith3152 The juice is not an excuse it’s a reason to keep Bonds out of the HOF
This is why these nerds who never even whiffed playing collegiate sports should not have the power to determine any of this.
But they already do, they’re called analytic jackasses, not all of them can be baseball writers
FACTS.
7:34: "I've never voted for Barry Bonds and he's the greatest baseball player I've ever seen" lmao
Stupidity at its finest
Proof that the HOF Voting System is truly broken.
Yeah, that statement is nuts
He doesn't deserve to be in. He used steroids.
@@lindseypyle5522 big papi too
They are straight up wrong about the race. Bonds is in the same boat as Clemens, who is white. Schiling, who is also white. This isn’t a race issue, it’s stubbornness by the entire writers committee.
It's not stubborn if it's the agenda
I think it's a joke that Jeff Bagwell is a hall of famer when his best friend Ken Caminiti who played with him and was his training partner was admittedly a steroid user and Bagwell was suspected as well. Plus Bagwell was never the one of the best players in his era
And Mike Piazza
@@MarkSmithhhh right, I forgot about him
In that case, you ought to check out that lineup for the team who plays on the other side of the state, Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Rafael Palmeiro, and of course, their main supplier, Jose Canseco all played at the same time on that Rangers team
@@MarkSmithhhh and Brady Anderson, 50 home runs in one season, 50 stolen bases the next
Bagwell was clearly one of the best players of his era. Were you watching baseball?
HOF committees be like “he had 37 MVP’s, won 80 titles and broke every record, but we didn’t choose him because ..he was a big meanie 😢 and he called me ugly in a press conference”
Pretty much
in a nut shell. I swear he slept with some of their wives or something man lol
The Hall of Fame is incomplete without Barry Bonds.
The Hall of Fame voting should include Hall of Famers, players and fans.
Leaving this up to the media alone is a flaw, as we see here.
@alien observer Ladies first.....
I feel that three entities should vote in ball players, the fans, the media, and the veterans committee
Incomplete without him???? Highly doubt it
He’s a cheater. He didn’t get in. Booohooo
@@loganbarr853 he was a HOF before that alone should get him in
Barry Bonds is the only 500/500 man ever! The only player with 7 MVP awards! 2x MVP runner up! 8x gold glove winner! The most intentional walks ever! Twice as many as the next guy. Bonds was a God, like Ruth...but way better than Ruth! Bonds had two seasons with 200 walks lol and both of those seasons hit .362 and .370. Not to mention his home runs reign of all time and in a single season! Best WAR ever for a position player! Most walks all time! he would easily have 3300 hits if not for all those walks! 14x all star! 3rd most runs scored ever! 6th most rbi's ever! Would have easily had 2400 rbis if not for all those wlaks. 2nd most times on base ever! All that power, but also more than 500 stolen bases! 78.4% stolen base percentage for a power hitter!
You forgot to mention he juiced
I said the same thing, I’m going to be that old guy telling my great grandkids those stats and war stories, They going to think I’m crazy or in my second childhood.
Barry bonds din'd do it well with the journalist .that is a fact .
@@maxmx767 don't care
Bro I agree with you 100 percent it's a joke bonds isn't in the Hof you could make the argument he should be in with out breaking the all time home run record it's a joke come on mlb 😡
Regardless of where you stand, Bonds was never officially caught cheating. Look, I’m not blind, I saw how much he physically changed later his career like everyone else.
But MLB never actually proved Bonds did anything illegal because obviously it would have been bad for business. You can’t have it both ways.
EXACTLY
Yup exactly people aren’t stupid they saw he changed but he was never ever caught
The writers are the problem. They hate Bonds. Period. They loved covering all his games during his years though. Now it is the cool thing to vote against him because he was mean to them.
bonds admitted to using steroids.
@@KnotchiGaming when did he admit to using illegal steroids?
He's the GOAT. Put him in the hall already.
Please he’s a cheater
@@loganbarr853 G.O.A.T.
LMFAO Goat haha funny im pretty sure most would put babe ruth above bonds!
@@oriondx72 amen brother.
@@oriondx72 no they wouldn't 🤣
managers should be caught up in that mess too not just players
Owners and baseball. They all loved when it as happening and making $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Then hide. Rich white owners.
@@jopac4742 and I think that jackass Selig is in the HOF that presided over the whole thing
@@jerryneil8558 Yep He was inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame in 2017.
@@jopac4742 which is pretty sad considering he was a cheap owner and did nothing during the PED era
They somehow weeded race into this discussion when Ortiz was literally voted in first ballot. I think bonds should be in but it’s ridiculous to play the race card. McGwire isn’t in. Neither is Canseco.
Barry Bonds was 5x better than Big Papi and 50x better with the Glove. Big Papi juiced as well as Bonds. Along with thousands of other players. MLB knew it was happening and let it slide. Then they changed and decided to punish the greatest players of a generation. Barry Bonds is far and away the best baseball player of the last 40 years and it isn’t close. AA players, College players, Single A, KBO Players all have taken Steroids. When you assume everyone is on them what are you supposed to do. This is all on Bud Selig and he should have been barred from the HOF before any player ever was. MLB commissioners doing what they do best destroying the game.
As a long life Sox fan cant disagree at all. Bonds IMO is the best baseball player ever. Even if someone disagrees with me he is certainly in the discussion. To have arguably the best baseball player ever not in your HOF js makes the sport and writers look foolish.
papi didnt juice but even unjuiced bonds was much better than ortiz
@@davidbehrakis6105 Yes he did. His numbers show he did. Saying that, he deserves to be in the HOF as he was a BEAST.
@@byronsmith3152you can’t say numbers are the reason someone juiced, do we say LeBron is juicing just because he is playing great at 37, obviously no. And to address the 2003 report, it was an unofficial test that had 10 false positives and Ortiz’s explanation fits with what the false positive could of been from. He never got caught in an official test.
@@davidbehrakis6105 That is complete BS because it directly coincides with his failed test. The commish is trying to save face because the previous commish was complicit. Ortiz was barely an average player for Minnesota. He was let go. The very next year, he hits over 30 homers and fails a test. The year after he hits 41. So do not tell me I can't use numbers as they do not lie.
I started watching baseball in the spring of 2020 during corona, I’m from Britain. I was bored so I went on YT and there was a recommendation to watch the final game of the 97’ World Series, I sat there not knowing what was going but I was instantly hooked, I myself love cricket which is also a sport played with a bat and ball. Anyway I started researching, learning the ins and outs of the sport, who are the best players of all time, already knowing Babe Ruth a household name around the planet. Soon after I stumbled onto Barry Bonds name and then I saw his highlights on YT and his career achievements. This guy is the greatest player to slug post World War 2 no doubt about it, his numbers before the PEDs were HoF worthy, in an era where everyone was cheating he still tore them up. PEDs don’t enhance you’re hand eye coordination or your ability to pick a pitch, everyone who doesn’t want him in the HoF are jealous that Barry Bonds was still producing unreal numbers at a time when at least 90% of players, including pitchers, were on the juice. If they believe the PEDs enhanced his game so much , why haven’t his contemporaries got similar numbers as him, one reason they simply weren’t as good as him. Barry Bonds the GOAT. They can keep the Cooperstown Plaque, Barry Bonds is the illest player to walk on deck.
This right here. It is funny just how silly Bonds made the rest of the league look when he decided to juice. He was a god amongst little leaguers. The funny thing is the juice doesn't really have an effect on actual game days. The juice is meant to build muscle and recover from working out faster. It does not help you see or hit a ball. if that were the case Big Mac would have easily been a 300 hitter his entire career of juicing. Barry Bonds was by far the best player when he played and it was not even close. Juice or not, he deserves the HOF.
All Goats
Mayweather
Jordan
Gretkzy
Bonds
Brady
Williams
Ronaldo
Messi
Hamilton
Phelps
Bolt
Biles
@@MacNif *Penaldo
@@troypolamalukingtroytrojan9477 *Pessi
It’s insane that some of these people will dismiss an entire generation of players because they don’t like steroids… you can dismiss it but everyone was doing it… being willing to wipe out an entire generation of players is asinine.
Barry Bonds all-time rankings:
762 Home Runs - #1
2558 BB - #1
688 IBB - #1
1440 Extra Base Hits - #2
5972 Total Bases - #2
1996 RBI - #3
2227 Runs - #3
.444 OBP - #3
1.051 OPS - #4
.607 SLG - #7
601 Doubles - #14
514 SB - #29
2935 Hits - #32
8 Gold Gloves
7 MVP’s
He's the 🐐and it's not even close.
Two points:
1) Bonds was a 40/40 player before any accusations ever came his way.
2) Bonds never failed a drug test.
Barry Bonds is the best baseball player to have ever lived. The fact that he's not in the hall of fame is why I don't watch MLB baseball anymore.
They really declined Bonds for 10 years but accepted Big Papi, who also abuse roids, in his first year smh
Piazza and Bagwell did!
Rob Manfred said Ortiz’s test were inconclusive
@@maxmx767 hat is complete BS because as has been pointed out, if they were inconclusive, they would not have then instituted drug testing after. Not to mention his numbers just happen to skyrocket that very year.
@@byronsmith3152 MLB instituted those Drug Test because the Federal Government was ready to get involved and they were forced to do it
Funny thing is that after the implode drug testing was when Ortiz cemented his legacy
He never failed a test and he never was indicted by PEDs use
@@maxmx767 They had to get the unions approval first. This is all on record. It is why they are trying to say Papi's test doesn't count. And Papi was named in the Mitchel report. For the record, Bonds never tested positive nor did Clemens.
Steroids didn’t make him a great player. It is an asterisk in his career but it should not have prevented him from getting in. Tragedy really.
Was waiting on this one !!
The greatest living baseball player today. The most feared baseball player of all time. No player has had a higher OBP than Barry did in 2007 (his last season) he was not on any substance in 2007
How do you know he was not juicing his last year? Are you his trainer?
@@maxmx767 the MLB started to test after the 2003 season.. and Barry bonds never failed a PED test so yeah he wasn’t on anything from 03-07
@@maxmx767 how do you know the others weren't. Fool.
@@ShooterSanoff Bonds actually had it worst. He was indicted by the US Government for perjury and obstruction. The book “ Game of Shadows “ details Bonds use of PEDs
Bonds refused to talk about it in court, Greg Anderson ( Bonds trainer ) refused to testify against Bonds and went to jail, a lawyer for of Victor Conte ( Bonds PEDs distributor) was the source who leaked the testimony under federal oath.
What else do you need? Lol
@@maxmx767 you just told me everything I already know for what? I lived through it all and remember it.. so
The fact that he's a 7x MVP award winner (most by any player), being to only player to be in the 400 stolen bases and homeruns club, and hit for 762 homeruns including 73 in 2001 and was not inducted into the Hall of Fame is just beyond me. Just goes to show that the Baseball Hall of Fame is a high school popularity contest.
it's beyond you because of your moral sphere
No. It's not beyond you. You know the reason why he was declined.
Popularity contest? If Bonds had the personality of Derek Jeter, and was as accommodating and nice to the press as Jeter was in NYC and elsewhere, does Barry get in Cooperstown? I don't think so. Being popular and nice to the press goes a long way, but Bonds has the taint of steroids. A-Rod was a better hitter and a better shortstop (by most accounts) than Jeter, but Rodriguez isn't getting in.
All those numbers but why was he using Steroids?
Excatly plus it is other steroid users in the HOF lol. Bonds is arguably easily one of the best baseball players of all times. He had a HOF career before San Francisco. This makes the writers and the sport of baseball look foolish. As a baseball fan ish like this is why it is a dying sport. Sad
Im lovin this series 👏 ESPN 🎉
They are mad because bonds shattered almost every record and he hated the media. That's simply it! Pudge got in and he was named in Cansecos book!! You know Bagwell, piazza, griffy Jr (yes I said it) used them before. Enough is enough... Bonds belongs in the hall of fame! Period!
@alien observer he shattered enough lol.. and he was already 1 of the greatest all time with out them
Bonds was already a HOF player. The PEDs just made him better. Hope the veterans committee gets him in.
Rafael Palmero was already a Hall of Fame, the steroids just made him tell a lie on Capitol Hill
I have the same disdain for Bonds as I did for Roger Clemens. I am aware athletes cheat, and some of those who cheated are in the Hall of Fame. But there is a difference between the player who occasionally cheated for whatever motive, and the elite player, who didn't need to cheat, but did so on a regular basis. I really blame former Commissioner Selig for not cracking down sooner. It created a gray area that led us into this mess.
Barry Bonds should've been in the baseball HOF years ago tbh with you
Never tested positive & you still have to hit the ball. He need to be in the hof
I am a former bodybuilder. Trust me he cycled quite a few roids. He has a chemistry degree without the paperwork.
I don't care what anybody says Barry Bonds was one of the greatest!!!
The
So why take steroids?
Bonds is the GOAT.
@@feynmanschwingere_mc2270 why get juiced
Achieving the 500 HR milestone used to mean automatic entry into the Hall of Fame. Every single player before the steroid era ballplayers were in. In fact, only 6 players who have hit 500 or more home runs are not in the hall of fame - Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Rafael Palmeiro, Manny Ramirez, Gary Sheffield and Sammy Sosa. All six suspected and accused of using banned substances. Most would agree that Barry Bonds was the best all around player of the six. However, how do you extrapolate what a player would or would not have accomplished? How can you determine how much steroids padded each player’s numbers? Many want to jump right out there and completely disregard Sosa’s 609 home runs, although only 9 players have reached that. We laugh at the mention of Gary Sheffield and hall of fame being in the same sentence. We scoff at the fact that Manny Ramirez has 7 more home runs than the great Mike Schmidt. Fact is, I don’t know many folks that see Gary Sheffield as a hall of famer, even though he hit 509 home runs. So, yeah let’s get rid of him. But how can you punish Sheffield without punishing Ramirez or Palmeiro for doing the exact same thing? And then how can you punish those three without punishing, Big Mac, Sosa, and yes even the great Barry Bonds. Either they get punished or they don’t. Either they lose votes because they used banned substances or they don’t. You can’t cherry pick who you are going to punish when they all did the same thing.
Above everything, I don’t feel bad for Barry Bonds and I will tell you why. He let his ego get in the way of his trip to Cooperstown. Bonds was jealous of lesser talented players getting more accolades then him. So, like many, he broke the rules. But Barry you jughead! If you had just laid off the steroids, you would have had enough merit in your numbers without the juice to make the hall of fame. Most likely you would have wound up with somewhere between 600 and 700 home runs and still would have been the only player with 500 stolen bases and 500 home runs. Still 2500+ hits, 1500+ RBIs, etc. Point being, HOF numbers if only you didn’t let your head size triple. So no, I can’t feel sorry for a guy who was stupid. The all time Home Run leaders list is littered with fakes and phonies and frankly it is a disgrace to guys like Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Babe Ruth.
From 1986 to 1999 Barry Bonds was a first-ballot hall-of-famer. You was a career 288 hitter, 445 home runs, 460 stolen bases 8 gold gloves, 8 Allstar appearances three-time MVP in 1990, 1992 and 1993. A 40-40 man. I must say he never won a batting title throughout this era of his career. That's the guy I want going into the Hall of Fame
1998 started everything sosa & mcguire
Still the greatest ever!!!! PERIOD!!!!
At cheating
@@campbellmunn5326Ortiz, Aaron, piazza, pudge… and more failed drug tests or admitting to using a substance
Bonds best baseball player I ever saw..no one will ever dominate the game like he did
All of the all-time greats that didn't use steroids would be as good or better than Bonds if they had. No question. He dominated like he did because of CHEATING.....
@@JonKlinkel who’s your favorite team?
@@geekUSA101 Atlanta Braves...why? It's not relevant, at all. That said, Ty Cobb was the greatest player of all time, without question.
@@JonKlinkel Babe Ruth is way better then Ty Cobb
@@thunderousooner527 You are EXTREMELY uninformed. Cobb was a FAR better hitter (.366 to .342, not to mention .357 to .181 at age 40), base runner (897 SB's to 123) AND fielder - and had more power. The last two of which, you likely can't even remotely comprehend.
Ruth was "likely" a FAR superior pitcher...as Cobb only pitched 5 innings with a 3.60 ERA and Ruth could have been an all-time great (pitcher).
What you probably don't understand is that if Cobb wanted to hit more home runs, he absolutely could have. You're basically taking Ruth's "power" numbers and saying that makes him better. That's foolish.
Excellent video!
Tainted Glory, well put.
LET THAT MAN INN, 💪🏾✊🏾
Bonds is not just a hall of famer, he is one of the best ever
This may be a hot take idc: any writer that publicly comes out and says they are not going to vote for guys that use steroids should have their vote taken away. There’s no morality in sports. Some of the worst people were some of the best athletes ever. I agree with what Dusty Baker said
Earth is imperfect, the MLB hall of fame is a testimony of imperfection of character and cathedral in our world. They should look at his 88-92 seasons. Integrity and sportsmanship, it’s the most perfect ballot ever.
You can’t let David Ortiz in the hall without letting Barry Bonds in. Period.
Let him And Pete Rose in! Nuff said!
Pete Rose could have been a Hall of Famer if only fan duel and draft kings came out decades ago
Barry Bonds = GOAT
Belongs in the HOF
Bond cheated Hank Aaron out of his home run record. Because Bond took PEDs/Rods. The goat don’t need that junk. Bade Ruth is the goat.
@@thunderousooner527 Hank Aaron using amphetamines and Babe Ruth using cocaine
Please quit smoking it’s bad for you
So they let Ortiz in but not Bonds!?!?...I've officially lost the little respect that I had for baseball..
Barry Bond is more deserving of being in the Hall of Fame than any other baseball player that has ever existed. It is shameful that he hasn't ever been inducted. It's why I no longer watch Major League Baseball or support it in any way, shape, or form.
Oops. I already commented on this video. LOL.
Barry Bonds is the greatest player in the history of the sport.
Ken Griffey Jr. Played the game right.
Rose and bonds should be in the hall, and we should protest going there until they’re in
The Hall of Fame is not just a place to honor greatness in the sport (and despite the PEDs Bonds WAS great); it is also the de facto national history museum for baseball. This being the case, I think they are going to have to compromise and build a separate wing onto the place to discuss the PED era and the accomplishments (valid or otherwise) of those players. Bonds breaks my heart because I've always felt that more than any of those other guys he would have accomplished great things and earned his way in without the drugs. Now he'll just have to accept the permanent asterisk by his name. If we are talking about UNJUSTLY keeping people out of the hall, then I think before any of these PED guys go into even a special wing, it's way past time to give Pete Rose his due already.
The "character clause" was not written to be a criterion for *excluding* a player, but for *including* a player whose stats would not otherwise justify letting him in. Baseball writers have changed the purpose of the character clause because it gives them a fig leaf to cover their petty vindictiveness.
Bonds proved his point, and because of that he has been black listed by the Baseball Hall of Fame writers. He said that it’s ridiculous that Sosa and McGuire who both were using steroids would be in that position if someone like himself was on steroids too, and if he was using steroids he would destroy the record book, and he did, so why again are they shunning him, because he made MLB look bad!
I'm irrate. I can't believe the writers.... BONDS DESERVES IN.
If you have won 7 MVPs, you are a Hall of Famer PERIOD
The writer”s have diminished the MVP and the CY Young Awards forever by not voting Bonds and Clemens in “meaning”the awards no longer have any real weight! SMH 🤦♂️
The HOF is either going to regain its significance or become a huge joke at 6pm today.
It became beyond a huge joke.
Give Barry what he deserves, one of the greatest hitters ever and he still can’t get a seat at a table he belongs at smh get it together baseball ⚾️
Top 20 all -time hitters.... Definitely deserves in
He was a Hall of Famer before the steroid talk
So was Pete Rose...
@@MikeBeltMikeBelt he should be in too
@@MikeBeltMikeBelt not the same. Gambling was banned by MLB. Steroids was not at the time. More like it was encouraged.
@@MikeBeltMikeBelt this is not a Pete Rose vs Barry Bonds situation
Crazy how the sports writers voted him MVP all those times yet won't vote for him to get into the Hall of Fame.
Decline; writers did the right thing with both Clemens and Bonds
Unlike the NFL, where steroid usage can "enhance" strength/speed (e.g., "juiced" Von Miller in SB50), it does nothing for hand/eye coordination. Put Bonds in.
So true there was one player who took drugs and batted 178.
Exactly all it did was turn his wall scrapers into bombs
At least you admit it.@@moonjae-in12thpresidentofr20
tons of cheaters in there already, get it over with and let him in, was it ok? no.... but many players were doing it, the Vets know whats up
There's also a ton of guys who benefitted from players cheating who are in the Hall.
There's Charles Comiskey, who turned in a profit by grossly underpaying his players to the point where it provoked the Black Sox Scandal.
There are Bobby Cox, Joe Torre, and ESPECIALLY Tony LaRussa, who all won at least 1 World Series title along with thousands of games with players who were on steroids.
Then there's Bud Selig, who made Baseball rich by turning a swollen eye to steroid use for years and only acted when Congress held hearings about it.
@Patrick Price David Justice (named on the Mitchell Report)
Gary Sheffield (implicated in the BALCO scandal) also played for Bobby Cox.
John Rocker (his own admission)
@@dionr1168 Don't forget all the Greenie users in the HOF. Pills that are considered PED's and are banned.
I'm 34 and Barry Bonds is the best I've ever seen hands down. I get the whole steroid deal but considering that it was rampant throughout the entire league (pitchers included) he still deserves his recognition. The players that have the stats and accolades deserve a HOF spot regardless. Put asterisks next to their records but don't remove them from baseball altogether. You're punishing an entire generation of players and fans. TBH it's a big reason the MLB has lost some of its fan base. Like it or not the MLB was at its best and most exciting in the late 90's early 2000's
Look, it's simple. If there are anyone in the HALL that has used anything illegal to enhance performance then yes, he shouldn't suffer
U a L ...don't ever attempt me jus to play or do lame stuff
@@JustinDeVonBaugh52795 you’re grammar sucks
Good I’m glad.
Bonds should be in the HOF. I don't care what the writers say. Bonds should be in the Hall of Fame.
The baseball hall of fame isn’t complete without great players like bonds and Clemens. I don’t understand how a person with a positive result gets in but players who did not produce a positive test are crucified…..and don’t get me started on a commissioner at the time who knew there was an issue and turned a blind eye…honestly the process of getting elected sucks you got guys who voted just for the players from the teams they cover people who voted for bs players….it makes be wanna say screw the hall it’s not factually true anymore
I would've inducted Lofton, Kent, Damon, Mcriff, Sheffield all before Bonds Clemens but those guys were HOF already clean then blew up their numbers when everyone had to at the time
Exactly if u look at his statistics before roids he already is hof
Lofton, no. Lacks the power numbers and < 3,000 hits.. Good player.
Damon, no. Lacks the power numbers and < 3,000 hits. Good player.
Kent, borderline. Good player. Lacks the gold gloves that I think would put him over the top like Ryne Sandberg.
McGriff, yes. Has the power numbers of some of the great 1st basemen in Cooperstown
Sheffield, yes. Has the power numbers, good OBP., OPS.
How do we know that Ortiz didn't juice during his time in the Majors... 🤨
He had a positive result in 2003
LET MY MANS IN. HE DESERVES IT
Its possible. Step 1 is a donation by Barry to fund an MLB roid review and compensate players injured by playing against them. Step 2 is a full confession so his stats can be analyzed and derated by AI. Step 3 is a PR campaign to sway the votes. Step 4 is a special ballot so that all the roid era men can be judged. Step 5 is being elected over Sosa, Mcguire, etc. Step 6 is campaigning the HOF to educate the fans sufficiently so results are widely acceped. Step 7 is to create a testing program that keeps all amateur and pro players and fans safe from injury.
The goat 🐐
Him and pete needed to be in a decade ago.
I would love to see the writers who didn't vote for Barry that voted for Papi. Let them be known. Especially the ones who said never to PED users.
Cheaters cheat, Cheaters lose.
Not a hard theory to grasp for most people.
Not even a giants fan or a bonds fan but this guy deserves HOF
@2:16 "At some point that entire ballot was gonna be all players who played in the steroid era. And then I always asked myself 'What are you gonna do with that when the time comes?' because I'm not voting for steroids guys." Well, sounds like you answered your own question there genius.
Many forget he was a 3 time mvp and 6 time golden glove PRIOR to his time in San Francisco!!!!!!
Barry would have been a 500/500 man even without a well-balanced breakfast. An extra helping of eggs doesn’t help someone’s plate discipline or ability to hit a baseball.
Barry deserves to be in the Hall. That’s not to say every good player from the steroid era deserves to be in-far from it-but Barry does.
This man is the GOAT!
AMEN
At cheating
For 22yrs. Bonds dominated, also he told reporters time & again I got nothing too say to you, that being said he he'll never win a personality contest but he got the resume for the H.O.F..
There are no words to describe my contempt for people like Howard Bryant.
Couldn't we just punish him in the record books? Put an asterisk beside each of his records and his career numbers. He wouldn't have reached those numbers without steroids, anyone with sense knows that. But if you're old enough to remember, his first eye-popping number wasn't his home run records, but actually it was being the first player to reach 400 home runs and 400 stolen bases. I think he is STILL the only player to do that (except it's actually over 500 stolen bases now). And he did that clean. That's a Hall of Fame player, no question.
I love how writers say bonds isn't a hof player when they couldn't hit one pitch in the mlb
That doesn't matter at all... If only people capable of playing professionally in sports were able to comment, discuss or criticize those sports & athletes, basically none of the hundreds of millions of fans of NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, etc. could say a word...
His case is that he’s basically the best baseball player of all time
He’s a cheater
If Barry Bonds can’t get in for steroids, at least don’t punish Reggie Stocker too! Let Reggie in, they were all clean dingers! I almost forgot about John Dowd, HOF’r as well!
Bonds wasn't liked by the media, opposing teams' fans. But he was the best player and was often the bigger story than the teams he played on. That is why he never won a world series.
Bingo. Barry isn’t in because he didn’t play nice with the media. There is no other reason. His alleged steroid use has always been the red herring, but the truth is that he hurt the feelings of a lot of reporters
A hall of fame without Pete Rose is incomplete
A Hall of Fame without Joe Jackson is incomplete
they need to let a lot of guys in, it's crazy how they hold grudges on certain players while others slide in.
well then, I'll take incomplete, and have the hall stand for integrity
@@billmoyer3254 integrity🤣🤣 the baseball hof is filled with racists and drug cheats there is not integrity
It's like these writers are convincing themselves to not do the right thing, which is vote for Barry Bonds to be in the Hall of Fame.
ASU boy Berry Bonds is one of the greatest of all time not even close very sad!
Most kids in this generation don't even know who barry bonds is because they done basically wiped him out of baseball history. Us older folks know who he was but the generation after us is lost.... WHO IS BARRY BONDS??? They never heard of him
And that is sad because he was the best for darn near 2 decades.
He reminds me of a guy named Reggie Stocker. Dude was SICK! Lots of people didn't know about him though.
Literally thought that dude Howard Bryant was Ryan Howard 😂
Harold Baines is in the HOF 😅
Barry Bonds, Sosa and Clemens should be in the HOF, but haters are gonna hate.
I mean honestly the best players should be in the hall of fame. MJ is the goat of basketball and Barry bonds was more dominant in his sport than MJ. You can’t have your best player not in the hall of fame
LeBron James is better at being a team player
Tell the whole truth!!.. put these players in with their story. MLB knew and still these players played.. I can still hear it now "He hits one high he hits on deep!".. (Bonds) MLB raked in the money and then distanced itself after the games were over..
Clemens and Bonds will get in later and Ortiz just made it easier for them .. piazza ,IRod and Bagwell now Ortiz are in .
Yea
Barry bonds > anyone in the hall of fame is what ill tell my kids and maybe grandkids.