Enshrine or Decline: David Ortiz's case for the Hall of Fame | Outside the Lines
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- čas přidán 19. 01. 2022
- Outside the Lines looks at David Ortiz's legacy and his case for the Baseball Hall of Fame.
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The baseball HOF obsession with numbers is absurd, I'm no Sox fan but Big Papi is the iconic Red Sox player of my lifetime, and you cannot tell history of baseball without mentioning his name, so yes a HOFer.
I HATE THE SOX BUT I HAVE TO AGREE WITH YOU. GO YANKEES!
not to mention what he did for the game and the city of boston
Ortiz should never get in especially Alex and Clemens and bonds aren’t in for the reason that Ortiz also tested positive for
@@a.balboa7214 read more about it. That's not true. They are all very different cases
@@a.balboa7214you meed to read what all that was about. All those testings during that time were under immense scrutinyand the MLB themselves said that they have no clue if all the people on that list even tested positive for roids. Not to mention HE NEVER TESTED POSITIVE AGAIN. And that testing survey was done before even played his first game with the sox. So stop it
One of the best clutch hitters in the game! 1st ballot for sure
He’s used peds lol it’s a joke bonds isn’t in but this clown is
@@Matt-uk8dv well the entire HoF is a joke if Barry isn’t in. But that doesn’t mean Papi shouldn’t be in.
@@Matt-uk8dv tbf he’s loved more in one place and wasn’t as hostile to the media and played great and won a WS down 0-3 lastly imho Bonds should be in the HOF Too but he was snubbed because he had more controversies then Ortiz and more peds is what the ones who are against bonds say
he is a hall of famer for sure ..i dont care what anyone says
but he's not
What he did to my Tigers that season… there’s no question he belongs in the HOF.
Why is this even a question?
Because baseball sucks
Because he "cheated" err...took PED....errr Steroids!
DAM NEAR EVERY ELITE PLAYER IN THE 2000 WAS ON THE JUICE.
Not Biggio, Chipper, Jeter, Griffey or Glavine.
hall of famer for sure!!!!
He broke the bambino curse. All time clutch player. Would be a DISGRACE if he doesn't goes in as a first ballot hof
If you are putting Ortiz in, bonds and Clemens should go in.
2003 list was for survey purposes and is unclear at best what substance was used and whether it was banned in 2003. You cannot possibly compare that to Bonds and Clemens that actually failed tests.
@@thepaulusmaximus bonds passed the tests so did Clemens. It's all hearsay. Speculation. Bonds admitted to his trainer putting on a creame. Urine tests were passed
@@plbeckman You are correct. I misspoke but the evidence on both Bonds and Clemens are staggering. For example, do you really think Clemens trainer was injecting his wife with steroids and not him as Roger claimed? The cloud of suspicion surrounding Bonds and Clemens are justified. The only thing on Papi is the 2003 list which both the commissioner and union agree should not be held against him. But you will believe what you want to believe.
@@thepaulusmaximus well put. Very well put. 100 percent correct. Ortiz was let in. Just my opinion, but you should let in: curt schilling, bonds, Roger Clemens, arod first ballot, Scott rolen should be in and let my favorite player in: Pete rose. The hit king.
This is stupid. Dude was clutch as anyone ever to play and brought bean town their first chip in forever. First ballot no question.
His 2013 postseason play should have cemented his status from then
And on the JUICE!
Decline is not even an option and im a diehard yankees fan , Ortiz is a legend he deserves it
He should walk into the HOF. I’m not a R Sox fan but this is an easy one. Dude was a murderer at the clutches of moments, on the biggest of stages. Over and over…
He became a hall of famer in 2004 game 5 alcs when he saved the red sox season and forced a game 6
Schilling should be in.
No case needs to be made
You cannot tell the history of baseball in the 21st century without mentioning Big Papi prominently
Hal of Famer
Papi is a NO DOUBT HOF
My guy Big Papi def need to be in HOF !! LFGO
Truly first ballot hall of fame
His numbers after 2003 makes him a sure in for the hall of fame.
This is a dumb video. This man deserves to be in HOF
Sincerely,
A Marlins fan
This should not even be debate
youre a different typa special if you say no
An iconic player who is liked by the fans and media (not just Boston media and fans) so I think his popularity will get him in. However, he was linked to roids in the past and while he may not have tested positive at all since that initial report. If he gets in then it should open the door for others.
Disagree. I think Ortiz is a special case that can be bypassed. He spoke to the media and denied ever using it and he never once tested positive after that. Other players that were caught in PED scandals were way more controversial than him (i.e. A-Rod, Bonds, etc.)
Bruh is this even a question? I’ll go to Boston and protest! He def deserves the HOF easily
Enshrine. No doubt!
As soon as i read the title of the video.. I was like.. Are these people on crack??.. That was a serious contemplation too...
No brainer for Big Papi
Big papi is a Hall of Famer, facts
If big papi dont make hof its a glitch in the matrix
Can’t let Big Papi in if you don’t let other PED guys in
Can’t tell baseball history with big papi
No Manny, No Big Pappi. No Curt Schilling, No Big Pappi. No Barry, No Big Pappi. No Clemens, No Big Pappi. Ya'll chose the money over the Hall.
David Ortiz tested positive for steroids, if he gets in Alex Rodriguez gets in.
Sammy sosa
BONDS
Clemens
Yes to them all.
@@osonhouston this is the correct answer. Bonds not being in proves Baseball writers should be drawn and quartered.
1st Ballot!!!
This is why nobody likes baseball anymore
Exactly after what they did to Barry bonds I stopped watching baseball...
im not a fan of david ortize nor a fan of the red sox but if harold baines is a hof, then this guy is definitely a hof dh or not. it is very easy to decide a hof or not because there is no debate. 100% of fans with a brain will say david ortiz is a hof.
Hypocrites, no steroid users or cheaters allowed but the same voters put a user in as a primary dh for his career. Let mike trout or Harper only focus on batting and see their stats elevated too without peds while lying about it. Reject Manny Ramirez but allow Oscar the Grouch
What? How is he not HOF?
There is no way he should be in before bonds period
Baseball writers need to be liquidated. This is not a serious question.
If he ain’t a HOF I don’t know who is
Sage looking hella fine
If Ortiz gets in and A-Rod doesn’t you’ll see the clear media bias. They were on the SAME test in 2003. Ortiz def roided and so did Rodriguez. If you’re gonna make an exception for one then you have to include the other. Of course that won’t happen tho.
True but if they were to do a but they won't a public vote who is more beloved because most media love the guy, has charisma for days, Big Papi would win by a landslide and tbh I don't think even most hardcore Yankee fans probably won't vote for A-Rod even if he did helped bring a title. I still don't get why they haven't told what he tested positive for or why he failed, we know about everyone else except Papi, what are they hiding 19 years later? Give the man some closure at least 🤷🏿♂️
Besides been on the 2003 list ( which includes non banned substance like they said on the video)A-rod tested positive two more times and got suspended Ortiz never tested positive. So do your homework
@@ivanlora3350 A Rod never tested positive for ped. He only failed the same test Ortiz did. Bonds also never failed a test.
@@ivanlora3350 how bout you do YOUR homework cause A-Rod never tested positive once! His name was leaked on the same list as Ortiz and his name was found on the biogenesis log and started that whole scandal. Never once did he fail a test. Everyone hates A-Rod but if you vote for Ortiz and not A-Rod you’re a hypocrite. Ortiz never even gave an excuse to why he tested positive. He just says idk I never did anything. Sounds like playing dumb to me
@@jsoto8229 lol Arod never tested positive but he admitted peds usage for the amount of proves and witnesses resulting in a 162 games suspension besides doing it after it was prohibited on MLB (after the 2004 season) bottom line both were great players but on peds they are not on the same boat.
There is no controversy just great players that's it if you got Cap Anson & Rogers Hornsby in there well than there is no controversy here.
Big Juicy
Any voter who elects Ortiz needs to explain themselves why they're perfectly happy to wreck every other guy's candidacy from that era
Enshrine. No question.
Give me a reason why he shouldn't be a HOFer
BONDS WAS 10 times better and he didn’t get in due to RIODS HGH
The world gon react if he don’t make it just because bro everyone know his name! Everyone even kids, I know kids I play basketball with at the park and ask me about my cousin and i be like “how you know about David you too young to know!” Lol but they know
Biiig Dominican Lunch. We had mofongo..
Ozzie Smith is in Hall of Fame. 28 homeruns in 19 years! Yes 28 in 19 years. 260 average. 4 years he had 0 hrs. Yes 0 and he is in Hall of Fame because of his defense Fred McGriff 490 hrs not in! This what the hall of Fame is.
What do you mean case? First ballot no question about it
HOF NO DOUBT
Hall of gamer BUT BE CONSISTENT he failed a drug test in 2003
love Ortiz. i was a huge Sox fan from the time Johnny Damon joined until Pedroia retired. that group was so amazing to watch. but to elect this *proven* PEDs user, while denying the other PEDs users, the MLB HOF voting process lost all credibility. all of it. you either take PEDs completely out of the equation when voting, and elect all suspected users in, or you elect none of them.
He is and will be a hall of famer it's so idiotic to even discuss this. Trash topic ESPN...
Not a Sox fan but I want to believe Ortiz, oh how I want to believe Ortiz but so many big names have insisted for years that “I never took PED’s” and then we find out different. There’s no sense in going over the names but we’ve seen it before. Mediocre athlete suddenly becomes Superman or Superwoman seemingly overnight.
Steroids no deal
HOFer. No doubt about it
NO BONDS NO PAPI SORRY. BONDS WAS THE BEST EVER SO NAH
But THE MEDIA LIKED ORTIZ NOT BONDS SO THEY MIGHT PUT HIM IN AS A DH OVER BONDS…WHAT A JOKE
Hold this L Bills fan. Bills lose and ortiz gets in lololololoooo
Lmao
How did he test positive if it wasn’t a banned substance? It’s clear he did something he was terrible in Minnesota I’ve been saying it for years
Juiced to the Gills and gets in on his first try.....no Bonds....no Roger.....no credibility.
Bad loss
Enshrine
How tf do u have a hall of fame voter who doesn’t speak English
Dude if he's not voted in... the baseball hof is a joke.
ORTIZ LIED HE KNOWS HE TOOK THEM I HAVE WAY MORE RESPECT FOR THE GUYS WHO ADMIT IT.
Null and void for ALL CAPS
@@colonelforbin73 YOUR MOM LOVES CAPS NOW GO DO YOUR HOMEWORK!!!
So?
13 seconds
Baseball HOF is out of control, really really!!! Big pap not a HOF????
DH's never make first ballot
He was juicing
GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY
where do we draw the line? mantle used PEDs. ted williams did. where is the line?
Source?
We know numbers say he's a HOF but I really do hope he didn't cheat the game and MLB cover it.
Steroids=no hall of fame
Im a big yankee fan if he gets in Arod is getting in no questions asked then...
Lmao he got in
red sox cheat. ortiz was juiced.
i like ortiz but how do you deny clemens and bonds but let him in 1st ballot. piazza didnt get in for a bit due to rumors ortiz actually failed a test the writers are hypocrites
Designated hitters do not belong in the Hall of Fame. You have to get a glove and play defense, play the entire game. They're designated hitters because they are defensive liabilities.
So american league pitchers dont belong because they dont hit? Hold this L 🤡
Ok Gramps, don't forget to DVR Gunsmoke tonight.
@@hjfhgjcyuj National league pitchers would never get in either, all terrible offensively. It doesn't pertain to pitchers.
He played 1st base whenever the Sox played against a national league team. He could field he just was better served as a DH how is that his fault lol
@@hjfhgjcyuj stupid comparison they don't judge pitchers on their hitting percentage 🤡😂
What garbage! HOF is a JOKE!
Not a hall of famer he sucked on Minnesota got to Boston was juicing and got good come on if Bonds and Clemens don't get in Ortiz doesn't belong in the hall
Him and Manny was taking that Dominican stuff
Shut up a positive test was never found it was all speculation they never proved it
Bonds deserves to go in so does Clemens
@@mannydaprofit2869 🤣🤣 stop please stop he sucked in Minnesota then he bacame good Bonds never tested positive either Ortiz definitely juiced
@@mannydaprofit2869 they do Ortiz does too but if Bonds and Clemens don't get in Ortiz doesn't get in either you can't tell me Ortiz didn't juice he sucked for more than a couple of years in Minnesota you don't go from that to where he went sorry
Absolutely not a 1st ballot HOF. Not really an HOF at all. He was detrimental when he played the field. That means he cost more runs with his glove than he provided with his bat. His average isn't great. He doesn't have 3k hits despite his ONLY job being hitting. He has the lowest WAR of all 1st ballot-ers of all time. If the post season is the only thing that he's inducted for, Andruw Jones would be a 1st ballot HOF. And on top of all of that, he was busted for PEDs. He's no different than Barry Bonds except Bonds was twice as good of a player. For someone who was a DH to be in the HOF they need 3,000 hits, a .300 average and 1800 RBI. Ortiz has none of that. I would even argue that a DH needs 500+ homers, the only thing that Ortiz did have.
Good points but missed somethings that allow him in aka eye test and value to his team and culture as for postseason it’s on if he had a good amount of effect winning multiple WS and coming back 0-3 he might not have alotta hits but HRs he’s got a good amount which got him in his public image still good bonds and others should be in tho