Installing OS X Jaguar on an iBook G3 but Everything Goes Wrong-ish...
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I tried to put Mac OS X Jaguar on an iBook G3 Clamshell. This is how it went.
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro & Overview
01:37 - Unboxing
05:18 - RAM Upgrade
07:24 - Installing Mac OS X
11:41 - Exploring Mac OS X
14:32 - Halo Zone
17:24 - An issue arises
18:47 - Repair
20:56 - Updating to 10.2.8
21:57 - Halo Zone pt. 2
24:44 - Outro
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you know the video is going to be good when the title says "but everything goes wrong" and its almost half an hour.
Wrong-ISH
@@camsfirealarmsandplanes Close enough.
this video is neither
i agree
Never clicked so fast… 😂
Man I miss this style of interface
Hey! Congrats on 100k by the way
@@MichaelMJDhaha thanks man!
makes me real sad that the only way to get it back is to but the old hardware or us a vm
@@MichaelMJD I know it's been a while since you've made development videos, but if it's possible, could you make a few more on Windows 1.0, 3.0 to 3.1, NT 3.1 to 4.0, 2000 and 11? (srry I just love these types of videos)
@MichaelMJD nice to see creators supporting creators 🙂
Ah the rarely seen Max OS Jagwire.
I was thinking the same thing 😂
I installed a *Jaaaaaaaaaggg* in my IBook
OMG I KNOW. Jag-u-ar.... can't stand the US "JAG-WIRE" ... and I'm american.
I spent the first half the video thinking we'd be seeing some kind of mod for Jaguar installer
@@gustiwidyanta5492 not sure if you are referencing PBG but if so, "I understood that reference" ;)
That tangerine color is so precious, I need one for my collection but they’re rare to find at a reasonable price ☹️
Your best bets are thrift stores and swap meets.
I've managed to snag some old Macs from places like them for next to nothing.
Nah they are gaudy as fuck!
@@geofftottenperthcoys9944 Rather be gaudy than boring. Silver is the new beige.
That disc drive be dropping a sick beat at 17:25
11:09 So Apple is just a very long-running april fools joke? XD
damn, Imagine Steve Wozniak being like "shall we start a company as a joke, Steve?"
"we should also fuck around with this tv typewriter i got and sell it" @@b.deonchris
The “everything goes wrong” series has to be my absolute favorite lmao
i agree
It just doesnt feel right if everything goes TOO well. Its like installing old XP discs and its missing a driver you needed real badly to progress
64 MB RAM with 6 GB HD was a minor revision to the first iBook in early 2000. Originals from late 1999 had 32 MB RAM, 3.2 GB HD.
Something about the “But everything goes wrong” videos just bring the absolute comfy vibe I look for : )
I still find the aqua interface absolutely beautiful. I love the colors and shiny fruit gusher looking buttons. They’re like liquid filled marbles or something.
One of the best moments when you open youtube and find a new MJD video 🎉
and that everything goes wrong is in the title
@@dinowars0078 and it involves installing somthing
THAT was a walk down memory lane. I used 10.2 Jaguar for a few years on my iMac G3. Great os.
great Os = cheerios?
So, this is modern mac OS already, not like 9 and earlier that are "Classic Mac OS", right? Well, that was 23 years ago (almost 22 for this Jaguar version), and we are now nearly twice as old... Life is short to be sure 😰
Installing operating systems on an old mac and it doesn't go to plan? Druaga1 would be proud
don't cry because it's over, smile because he toked :')
Finally, an MJD video where stuff goes right
Kinda
There's something so special to me about the skeuomorphic era of Mac OS. Even though I've never used it, I get the feeling that it was very unique to use. It looked fantastic, had many modern and useful features and most importantly, it had that old "Appleness" to it that came from Steve Jobs and his team.
I loved the look of these iBooks. No other laptop looked similar before or since (except maybe rip-offs at the time). Sure, they looked sort of like toys, but what a great thing as an adult to walk around with a toy that was useful. The only time I ever saw these in person was in a computer lab at the company where I worked. I did not work on that company's project which was using iBooks, so I did not touch them so as not to disrupt their automated testing on them.
I wish Apple had kept this design language around a little while longer before moving to the completely sterile look they ended up transitioning into. I do still enjoy the white iBooks and MacBooks and even some of the early metal chassis designs but once they transitioned their lineup to "everything aluminum all of the time" it just didn't feel special anymore. It's a shame they took the criticisms of the look so hard.
I first met these iBooks in my elementary school's computer lab and immediately fell in love. Spent all my life wanting one of my own. Now I have several, my favorite being my Indigo one that I've maxed the RAM on, upgraded to an SSD and swapped the CD drive out for a much faster DVD drive than would have come even in the models that came with DVD drives... Sadly no drive cover since the way the CD drive and DVD drive covers connect to the drives themselves are different, but I did hang onto my old CD drive cover. Someday I'll find a solution for that. :P
5:43 I still stand by that statement😅
Viewers: "Say the thing, Michael."
Michael MJD: *sigh* "'Everything goes wrong.'"
Viewers: "YAY!"
i read viewers as "vsauce" and got very confused
@@DccToonor did you?
@@vitamins-and-iron *vsauce music plays*
Love iChat just showing the AIM guy.
For this channel "but everything goes wrong" is not a spoiler. It's a teaser! Must watch!
I had the exact same one in 2nd grade running 9.1. Clamshells and iMac G4s are probably some of my favorite Macs. So glad I grabbed one in every color when they were still affordable. My two key lime models are gonna pay for my retirement if they keep going up at their current rate.
Jaguar was the first truly usable release of macOS 10. Cheetah was effectively another beta, Puma was still mainly for early adopters. Jaguar marked the point where the code had matured and there was finally some good software to run. This also marked the point where Apple killed off the classic macOS (v9) for good, so I think they also felt the same about Jaguar.
"Guilty Spark ...he's there." Michael's comin' for you, HiddenXperia
I really love the 2000s aesthetic and I love how basically everything you cover is like that in the sense it’s not super old but also not super modern the perfect crossroad.
i live for these "but everything goes wrong" videos
I bought a copy of the OSX family pack, back in the day. Used it at a repair shop/pawn shop, and installed it into dozens of systems.
5:43 Could not agree more, I learned to solder after ripping the power switch socket off my iBook G4 in university.
Even though I was born in the 2000s and only have memories of Windows XP onwards, I find it very fun to see this kind of older technology and how it behaves nowadays, and I have even more fun watching everything go wrong hahahahahahahaha. Hello from Brazil
best video youve made in a while keep up the good work
yay a new mjd video
I don't know what it is, but there's just something so soothing about seeing a new MJD upload
AH yes. Michael devolves further into madness while trying to keep up a pleasant smile. Love your videos dude
Nice! Thanks for the video
Idk how this guy makes videos about computers interesting to me.
God, this has just made me realise how old I am, I remember installing 10.2 when it was brand new. Hell I remember excitedly installing the Beta of OSX
9:14 "i thought this was going to start turning into a 'but everything went wrong' video"
*glances at title*
hmm seems to be a little foreshadowing
Hey Michael! Always enjoy your content man! Love the whole look of this computer, definitely up there w/ the Monorail as one of my faves you've showcased! I do some art and music stuff in my spare time and the sound of the disk drive at 18:09 is really cool. Would you mind if I used that in a project I'm working on?
Sure, feel free to!
Sweet, thank ya!
I know you may changed it because of viewing behaviors, but I really miss those small time lapses and progress bars going with the cool music on the background...
Great video✌
I remember that drives from that era could just not like burnable cds and mess up trying to read em. Also i bet a g4 upgrade existed at one point. haha
17:24
No one:
Michael: **casually fxxks the camera**
On Action Retro he said if you get one and do any mod/upgrade (besides ram) you end up buying at least 4 because you are going to do break something the first time you take it apart. I know I sheared the trackpad cable off one . . .
I have had not interest in anything Apple since I used the classic mac, BUT love watching these types of vids!
Gonna name my kid Max OS 10.1
Those pfps are so cool! Wish apple would return to that style.
"just to play it safe *_for once_* "
damn, halo combat evolved remembered me on how much fun i had playing it way too late
i played it last year on a ps4 controller and it was better than i could think, took me three days but they were fun days
I wonder when you'll revisit the i-opener...
Everything goes wrong? That’s just a normal experience, I’ve definitely spent way too much time on just trying different OS versions on my PowerBook G4. Haven’t used 10.2 yet though, that setup looks awesome!
cool video man
i remember installing 10.4 on a friend's clamshell probably like 15 years ago, I put 10.4 on everything I could back then even iMacs. I think I would just boot up with an external firewire drive and just clone drives using carbon copy cloner. Not even bother with installing. The drive. I remember maxing out the ram and I think I upgraded the drive to a 120gb hd. SSD stuff either wasn't around or not cheap back then. Not a fun mac to take apart but I got 10.4 running good. I rarely install mac os's from original discs I have used usb thumb drives in some installs but mostly just stick to cloning drives much easier.
My workplace is moving and throwing out a lot of crap. Also some not crap things. So. I got my first apple product. Mac mini. A delightful little device. Haven't gotten around to installing anything on it yet. OS X seems like a fun thing to play around with. Will see. A whole different ecosystem to fiddle around with.
Also. It looks good on my desk. It just looks good. I don't really get that feeling from other Apple products but this thing is just so attractive.
Hm. A sticker with Retroarch logo over the Apple one and it'd make for a dang nice emubox. Just. As long as it's some excuse to keep it on my desk.
"It wouldn't be an MJD video if we didn't do something stupid"
I came here for this
There's a couple of G3/G4 iBooks for sale dirt cheap at the completely opposite corner of the county (on Craigslist), but I never have occasion to head over that way anymore. But if I bought one (or two) of them, I'd probably run System 8 on them rather than MacOS 10.x. Mainly because that's the newest version we tested on when I worked at a multimedia software company.
wake up babe mjd posted! 🕺
I have an ibook converted into a touch screen by gemini its got speech software and some custom software on it to .
My iBook G3 Snow has Mac OS X 10.2 and Mac OS 9.2.2 installed
i wish they would remake that clamshell ibook with apple sillicon a nice m1 m2 or m3 would be awesome in that
A few years ago there was a guy putting intel MacBook guts in them. I wanted one bad but could never afford it, lol.
Sometimes I wish those times from earlier OS X Versions and the great Apple design back. Leopard was my favourite. And of course the „Welcome“ video after installation. Really missing that. Made you feel „associated“, if you know what I mean.
It's very weird that Apple don't integrate different colors for elements of the early Aqua interface, over classic blue and graphite. In the presentation of Mac Os X Sp3, in 2000, there were some renders of Aqua in different color schemes..
Panther was the first really usable version of OSX for me. Sure classic helped a lot with the earlier releases but we're always super slow and bloated in my experience especially 10.0 and 10.1. Jaguar wasn't terrible but I missed a few things that really helped the OSX experience like spotlight. Pretty sure my xserver G4 is running server 10.3.9 haven't powered it up in a while though.
I haven’t watched the entire video yet, but I’m wondering given the mishaps if you’re missing the 4.1.7 firmware upgrade, which was supposedly a prerequisite for Mac OS X IIRC. Btw, these have no clock battery; they relied on a special capacitor plus the system’s main battery, which I’m betting is dead at this point.
one of the best yotuber ever
Install media for 10.0-10.2 can be quite finicky. The lowest version of the MacOS X I currently own on retail is 10.3 Panther and it never ejects when I boot into the first disc. After installing Panther then that's when I install macOS 10.4 Tiger which is my favorite version of the macOS X, which is the best version to run on a G3 Macs.
nice ibook. looked in my ram draw. stil have two of them 512 modules for the ibook ^^
I miss disc drives being on Macs. I also don't remember Mac OS costing that much back when The Wiz was open.
"Jagwire" is that what people called it back then?
Yep!
Some 1337 folks even called the following release Panthwire, at least according to John Siracusa. I wasn't paying attention to this stuff back then, though, so I'll have to take his word for it.
We haven't seen many things in a while on this channel the one example is The common example is Compaq portable and many other machines
“I was looking at my software shelf the other day” 😂😂😂
I love yo MJD
My Clamshell boots via Fire Wire perfectly into 10.4.11 Tiger, which actually is installed on a DualUSB iBook G3 (translucent, white colored from the inside). BUT I do not get it installed on the internal HDD in the Clamshell. Althru the HDD in the Clamshell is not write protected, it seems to be from the outside via Fire Wire. I also installed Tiger using the iBook G3 on an iMac, which itself officially supports 10.3 only (I guess).
I love your channel
I love Free Geek Twin Cities! I wish there was one in Rochester!
Hey MJD
Do you think you would ever do a video of the Bruce Lee Nokia from 2008?
I had no idea Apple expected you to use the upgrade discs on a limited number of machines. How did that even operate, was there some kind of DRM or did it just operate on the "trust me bro" model? I've re-installed using the same discs so many times...
I can definitely see people pooling money together and throwing "upgrade parties" with how expensive it was... XD
It was just a trust me bro thing
I don't have a new Mac. I have an old Mac Pro Dual G5 Tower. I like the System Preferences done like this. It would the one thing I would hate with using a newer Mac and MacOS. I just don't get why they had to make the new System Preferences to look like an iOS app. Vent over.
when michael pulled out the copy of halo i immedately thought of the video from mattkc that he tried to run halo on a imac g3
I tried using an Iomega Zip 250 IDE as a boot device connected to an ide to FireWire adapter and it kept ejecting after it loaded the rom file on my Mac mini. So weird. I can read and write files just fine otherwise. Wonders if I need an older Iomega tools to write a proper boot driver. I just used Mac OS 10.4 to format using APM and install OS 9 drivers. I haven’t tried drive setup 1.9 yet tho.
make a video on you installing bootcamp on this ibook
Ah yes, the famous Max OS 10.1 Jagwire.
Gotta laugh at the “Family pack” since there is absolutely nothing preventing you from installing it on as many machines as you want.
I thought SorbetLeopard was supposed to be the Ultimate Install?
Doesn’t support something that new
Oh cool Enjoy the videos
You have to change your boot order. The HDD is at the top of the boot order.
You should use a USB Disc drive with this and next install 10.3 panther
One of my favorite Mac's ever, it's so cute! Wish Apple would be bolder again, so sick of all the boring aluminium.
MJD: so we're gonna install Mac OS 10.2
Disc drive: no
MJD: so we are gonna upgrade again
Disc drive: I SAID NO
iChat that has the Running Man from AOL/AIM, interesting.
If I could get another clamshell in near mint condition like I once had, I would. Maybe some day….
But is it not that system did let you change the ram capacity, so is it not possible to get to meet the ram requirements for halo?
Nice one time!
On my iBook firewire clamshell there is only 1. So the originals had 2.Interesting. Mactracker says 1 for this model. I will have to contact the developer Ian.
You should make a video about Microsoft Encarta!
Slight correction to the video: The PC port of Halo was actually done by Gearbox Software and not Microsoft. Microsoft was actually purely a publisher on Halo, the main game was made by Bungie.
I'm not sure who did the Mac port but I suspect Aspyr.
Nice MAC.
The eject issue is not anything to do with your laptop. I have reinstalled Mac OS X on so many different machines, and these old toilet seat iBooks always do that if you set the Startup Disk from Control Panels (which is all the installer does, just quietly behind the scenes). Holding C on boot also works. Last absolutely "kitchen sink" resort, you can boot to Open Firmware and type "boot cd:,\\:tbxi" and hit Return. It's an issue in software that's actually caused by a combination of some revisions of the older iBook firmware and certain versions of the Mac OS ROM "firmware in a file" in the OS 9 system folder. Basically, the right enabler and the right firmware and boom you have a bug. Source, I am a systems engineer and a vintage computer enthusiast with far too much free time on my hands.
The famous tangerine ibook.
if ya want a real chance on halo give it a later g3 snow, im thinking the reason it fails is lack of hardware t&l
The right hand ram stick latch did not fully engage, if I see it correctly.