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It's all about the right tool for the job. Every business have different requirements. XCP might be best for some, and vSphere best for others. Our job in IT is finding that best tool for the business we work for.
Have used xenserver 7.1 for a good 4 years. Currently migrating 2 seperate pools to xcp-NG . Has been smooth ad gravy. In a prod env đ
Vmware licensing is too hard to budget. Go xcp and invest in infrastructure đ and support â€ïž
Great callout on the support for Terraform in xcpng! As I use it at work, it's one of the key decisions I've used on determining what I'll run in my home lab
Tom I've been watching you for years and you definitely know your stuff. I've met many techs like the ones you mentioned in the beginning, and they have a long way to go still. Thanks for all you do
I've never heard of xcp-ng before. thank you for letting me know about it. Can't wait to tinker around with it.
it's been rock solid for me for several years.
Maybe you heard of XenServer? This is a well supported version based on the XenServer source code
Same... never heard of it. I have heard of XenServer though. But, haven't heard too much regarding XenServer recently. This video has me curious.
Thank you so much. You are my inspiration!! Your help is very much appreciated! Greetings from Vienna, Austria
i always love watching your videos. learning a lot.
Love it and I am only 45 seconds into the video. I work in an environment where we manage over 1,000 servers in multiple locations with VMWare, 1,200 more servers at store locations. It's costly to buy those licenses. I use XCP NG at home to play around, but it's hands down corporate worthy if implemented right.
Now I'll finish the video and see if I just put my foot in my mouth.
Love the XCP-ng content, keep it coming!
A video about XenOrchestra CloudInit would certainly be interesting :)
Excellent video and I've not considered using XCP-ng before. Got to admit but I've been very happy using Proxmox with the new Proxmox Backup server
Thanks, I was looking on this topic just this morning for alternatives to ESXi which is becoming more stringent on the free version.
How are vmware getting more stringent on the free version?
I've tried majority of Hypervisors from ESXi, Hyper-V, to Proxmox, and XCP-Ng just stuck, and i've been using it ever since, running solid.
You left one out, oVirt ;)
Sorry just want to spread awareness đ
@@LampJustin I am very dissapointed with oVirt. That thing is unreliable, and since some point, I avoid any major activity on the farm. It has nice documentation, only if the thing behaves like expected and if not, you have big problem. That thing, seems to me, is built for developers, not for ordinary administrators. Never mind the some stupid design details which drives me crazy, like no local storage if you run cluster, no support for UPS etc The issue with missing repositories was the last drop and I am looking for replacement....
@@martinmarusinec6204 yeah I feel you! That's indeed very annoying, but it's the most complete alternative to vSphere... At least kubevirt is getting better day by day and has a lot of features that oVirt had like a storage and cloud provider for Kuberntes. Unfortunately no local storage tho.
@@martinmarusinec6204 maybe CloudStack is an alternative tho. It's actually not even remotely as hard as OpenStack with a lot of it's features
Recently found out about it myself and while familiar with Xen years ago and a fan of KVM I decided to give it a shot. Been happy with it so far in my home lab. Hypervisors on their own are a commodity at this point. You can run anything on KVM, Xen, or Hyper-V these days. Stop paying the vTax and app vendors need to stop being VMware snobs. Your app will work on other hypervisors, stop penalizing IT departments.
BRAVO!!!
I would like a video about backup software like veeam especially about tape backup
It use to be Sockets and now its Cores when it comes to monetizing the server virtualization market. I'm not a cynic and don't advocate for everything free, but there is a point when the diminishing returns push the average techie more and more towards Open Source just through cost and capabilities which results in value... the key that these companies continue to exploit through FUD.
I'm hoping XO-SAN comes soon, and that they will figure out how to make a community version so I can try it. I think this might be a good way for me to go if I can get the budget I need to rebuild my system at work. At work I should be able to pay for this feature.
I run a proxmox cluster. It's a production cluster running business software on Windows VMs. Can you link me to something that explains the differences of proxmox and xcp-ng. I'm curious to check it out
Hi Tom,
Thank you so much for your very clear and instructive videos.
One of the more difficult tasks you face when you want to move from VMware to an open source platform is the migration process. Any suggestion?
A video -if not already there- will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Just clone them over czcams.com/video/wSTk9BLwF5k/video.html
i wish i knew about XCP-ng sooner
Do you have any advice or suggestions for migrating from VMware ESX to Xen XCP-NG + XenOrchestra? Maybe this could a topic for a future video?
I use this czcams.com/video/wSTk9BLwF5k/video.html don't forget to remove the VMware tools prior to cloning.
I'm not following products like xcp-ng or proxmox that closely, but what comes to mind is having support for backup solutions which offer application aware backups (Veeam, Nakivo). So far I know those are supported only on VMware, HyperV, Nutanix platforms.
What do opensource hypervisor solutions offer in this area? Am I able to make an application aware backup of let's say an Windows Domain Controller? Or a VM with an SQL Server running?
A man from future here, hope you still there and maybe you've known that Proxmox have included backup on it's feature, no need 3rd party application, even the separate Proxmox Backup Server also free. All enterprise feature are free.
Now, I don't know what aware of AD or SQL means, but your comment is like me in several years ago when I only know operating system is Windows and Ubuntu, and the only Hypervisor is VMware.
my biggest issue with XCPNG is a vestigial issue attached to when it was Citrix attached, and how its obsessed with XOA. once they get rid of that and integrate the control plane into XCPNG itself like all the other stuff, i'll probably like it better than the rest.
Xen Orchestra is the best tool to manage it.
Tom I'm curious if you would still recommend xcp-ng given the confusion regarding CentOS. xcp-ng runs on top of CentOS. With CentOS a dying project does this concern you?
Not at all xcp-ng.org/blog/2020/12/17/centos-and-xcpng-future/
"No-one ever got fired for using IBM" at 8:12 ⊠I remember seeing a post once to the effect of "At least one person did, because I fired them!" Can't find it now but it was a good little story.
Is there a vSAN counter part?
Thanks
xcp-ng is one and only free hypervisor that gives You complete toolset for free. That's why I bought paid support from xcp-ng - just to support the developers becouse thanks to them my company saved a lot of $$$.
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The Essential Question.
Why use XCP-ng (with old 4.x kernel) instead of LIBVIRT/KVM (with current kernel)?
Hi đđŒ All... Iâm fairly new at the this, but Iâm looking into XCP with Xen Orchestra. One of the VMâs will be a Windows Pro 10 instance that needs a TPM for Bitlocker. Does XCP support vTPm? Couldnât find an good answer on Google unfortunately. Thanks for the help
I don't think vTPm is supported
I'm not sure that this video really answers the question in the title. Is this really explaining why you use XCP-ng specifically, or is it actually explaining why you use open-source software versus closed-source?
Some of both. :)
I'm too accustomed to the VMware CLI to make the jump to XCP-NG. The ability to control things via Powershell is a big deal for me.
XCP-NG can be managed via the command line as well, but obviously their API and commands are not 1 to 1 the same as VMWare.
You touch on XCP-ng quite a bit so Iâm always curious how it stacks up against ProxMox.
They have many of the same features, but I would say for the beginner Proxmox is easier czcams.com/video/5IinFgGAsRs/video.html
Every one of these are valid points still today, but the only "problem" for home users is no longer a problem. The core limitation that WAS BS has been crawfished. Now, the only cpu limitation for a free license is 8 vCPUs per VM, so it should be fine for most home users. This was about business use though, and I agree with every point. That being said, ESXi is very mature and dependable. Is XCP-NG really in that same arena? Not saying it isn't. I have no idea. Truly asking.
Do you still use xcp-ng on yout production or you have moved to proxmox or other virtualization platform ?
We use xcp-ng for both heart production workloads and many large companies production workloads that we help manage.
His company offer XCP-NG and pfSense as a service.
And, Based on some of this channel videos that I've watched, they unlikely switch to others.
I have some basics doubts. What is the use case for a small office? Can I replace 1 server and 10 other computer? What will be the hardware to use to access the OS? Is it gonna be mini pc?
The Software runs "headless" wich means you can access the admin-panel aswell as any service simply with ur browser.
Its mostly used to serve microservices or network-attached-storage (NAS) - so you dont have to maintain a physical server / Harddrive for each service/client.
Also you can share the same hardware with multiple services/clients when they are not used at the same time to run more stuff.
Example: For a centralized control of 50 3D-Printers you can place 1 Server wich serves 50 microservices for each printer
-- instead of buying and maintaining 50 Rasperry PiÂŽs wich would run the same software.
@asdrubale bisanzio is there a special os for thin client?
@@rayyanthamim The lightest way I can think of is to put a gui on a Linux server with no apps or just a few for minimum bloat, like a browser. Then use X2Go to access and use apps on an app server, to avoid the whole gui experience you get with remote desktop. Run virtual instances of Windows and Mac on the app server to get those OS specific apps that don't have an Linux equivalent.
I do believe that XEN is a superior hypervisor to ESXi and i personally prefer XCP-NG and we would switch if we could. But VMWare is still top dog when it comes to support and integration of things like VDI.
UDS Enterprise gives VMWare Horizon a run for its money though.
As an IT Manager at work we use ProxMox and now switching over to vmware mainly for multi-site support with vSan. We use CEPH but it does not scale well when replicating between two different sites. Plus better support at vmware. I may look at XEN later depending on licensing costs.
tried XCP for about a month till i got locked out access to the 2 hosts- no access to them with either the Center or XO. any idea how to regain access? Only SSH access is available to the hosts.
Post in the forums
PROXMOX!
It happens that xcp-ng cost a lot if you want to run it without the community edition. I wonder if it sill cost less that VMware or Hyper-V
Xen Orchestra has backups built in so does it cost more than VMWare + a backup solution would be the question. Also one instance of XO can run many pools with many XCP-NG hosts.
When we talk about XCP-ng we talk about an alternative to VMware and that is what it is just an alternative. It is ok for small businesses and maybe medium size but if you are an enterprise that is a different ball game. I like XCP-ng and it is a solid option for hypervisor but for mission-critical systems where I need to have a good night's sleep it will always be a VMware (even with high cost). And of course, this is only my humble opinion nothing more.
@asdrubale bisanzio The funy is I did not had what you say vmware blows up in 10 years so sorry but it is reliability and plus there is no serious company thet allow you to thinker and poke aroud they want stability and reliability in first place and also they want a prompt respond on any possible issues which is what you get with a proper support. So like I stated XCP is ok but for limited cases if it is for more than they will be a neck to neck with VMware but sure thay not.
@asdrubale bisanzioI respect your opinion and like i stated in comment I had a great experience with VMware for past 10+ years and as it looks like you had yours to so, if all othere vendors had a same quality and stability like VMware there will be a different market share but it is not and that is whay VMware hold 75% of hypervisor market even with high prices. So please do not tell me that people are stupid for paying VMware and not using XCP-ng because Xen Server is in market for long time and all it ever had is 7% of market and I wonder why.
@asdrubale bisanzio Thats a reason to use something different .. to keep some other business in the market :D
@asdrubale bisanzio I mostly agree with your statement. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
when You know what you do the you speed good. When you have no knowledge or little so, you buy something with support, so someone will fix it for you. Lame. The money I've saved on lineces I spend on new hardware. That simply.
... There's a lot of innovation when you look at alternatives...
... I don't have a use-case for it... I'm not interested.
So how are you gong to do it in future?
Still undecided on Proxmox vs. XCP-ng. They both seem to be reliable solutions. My initial sympathy went towards XCP-ng, but Proxmox is a true all-in-one package and support seems to be WAY more affordable as well.
IÂŽve seen some using both - even syncing with each other...
Tutorials and Documentations are much more aviable on proxmox thats why i went with it.
Proxmox is just linux under the hood, so that makes it incredibly more customisable and also supports literally every kind of hardware.
What about high availability/fault tolerance?
HA is supported czcams.com/video/jvhUY81pBw0/video.html
hd lizard is not what You would go for production. xenorchestra support CR backup - You can replicate VM from host to host. But better solution is to build shared storage and create xcp-ng servers pool. That solves most of the problem. And also - when You need you service to be on real HA you build the CLUSTER on top of the hypervizor. This topic and ansver is complex, and Your question is too general.
@@informol9843 Regarding shared storage, does it support anything like vSAN?
Nice pitch for open source in general. But to be honest the title needs to be changed. đ
What does XCP-ng do that Proxmox doesnt?
I think Proxmox has integrated a backup system since this video czcams.com/video/5IinFgGAsRs/video.html
xcp-ng is simpler - You can do anything from gui. Simple and stable. Better support for old OS. I run windows xp VM without a problem.
I'm looking to get some decommissioned servers and cluster them together as a mini supercomputer. is xen the answer for this problem?
how do you shrink a vm disk? need to shrink a 2TB to 1TB
create new disk, copy data. I know no hypervisor that allow VDI shrinking - especially that You need to shring partitions any way - so how this process could be done by hypervizor?...
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how to give ubuntu. direct access to GPU?
With the new 8.2.1, just choose GPU passthrough on the advanced tab. Boot your Ubuntu up, then install the latest drivers for your GPU. I spun up an Ubuntu 22.04 and use it as a PLEX transcoding server with a GTX1660S passthrough.
Let's do a comparison between XCP-NG and Hyper-V?
Is your rack tipping over?
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It would be nice if the XCP-NG tool chain ran on Ubuntu. My biggest gripe/complaint with XEN is that the tool chain is split into two camps the Debian camp and the Redhat camp.
asdrubale bisanzio Because RedHat
their API docs are the pits or at least it did not render. :(
Do people think open source means free stuff?
oVirt FTW
surprised you chose MS instead of cisco for complex licensing.
Yup, some Cisco but lots of Microsoft.
They only forget to mention that if you want all features, you have to pay. I'll keep using Proxmox which also has a pay service, but that is on support only.
@asdrubale bisanzio He isn't talking about those projects nor giving any indication that they exist. So people starting with XEN ( for which this video is intended ) do not know about those.
@asdrubale bisanzio Are we still talking about this video or do we include the whole internet ?
Tried xcp-ng, clunky is all i can say. Went back to proxmox. Tried ovirt, never works, looks cool but just doesn't work. Note just my experience and opinion
XENserver in its day was considered better than the big guys.
The hypervisor itself in my opinion is vastly superior.
I wrote some of the C for V6 :)
The problem with âwhy to useâ videos is confirmation bias. I would be more interested in a video that says, â the major problems with XCP-ngâ. XCP-ng can be completely corrupted by changing your network card. I sincerely wish that werenât the case.
For me, if licensing isnt understandable-the product is sh1t!
I could not understand what you had to pay to self-host Bitwarden for a long time, so I did not change to them for a couple of months.
@@PatrikKron Birwarden? I was in general! I could not understant latley some products i had to review: Fortinet, Nutanix, Microsoft Hyper-v and Vcenter-they all suck at licensing.
@@IvarsRuza Yes, Bitwarden is not that bad (and it seams to be clearer now than last time I checked), it was just not clear enough when I checked the first time, therefore I stayed with Lastpass for a bit longer.