Throne of Glass Review - Why I hated it

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  • @Shoreknight
    @Shoreknight Před 6 lety +2396

    "Two men love her. The whole land fears her. Only she can save them all." Everything a cliche Mary Sue is about.

  • @extremelyhappysimmer
    @extremelyhappysimmer Před 6 lety +1980

    Maybe im just cynical but if a book cover mentions a love triangle in the first line its bound to be underwhelming.

    • @steph2994
      @steph2994 Před 6 lety +66

      extremelyhappysimmer nope you are entirely correct. I rarely found a book that mentions love triangles, in the synopsis, not have it over run the book.

    • @ruoweilim7334
      @ruoweilim7334 Před 6 lety +14

      and annoying

    • @rachele.3229
      @rachele.3229 Před 6 lety +70

      I tell this to my author friends who do this. I tell them to not mention it. Let it build. We shouldn't see it coming. That's good writing. I feel like when it's mentioned, it almost promises that it will be boring and cliche. At least, that's how it was every time I've seen it. I don't like books that mention too much in the synopsis on the back, especially if romance is mentioned and the book itself is not a romance novel. I feel like when books do this it's less of "This is really important to the plot" and more of "Let me just add a love story or a love triangle to make this more interesting". I hope I'm making my point clear. There's nothing wrong with romance in a story but if it's not crucial to the plot, don't make it so important because then it's just like random fan service.

    • @serpentemperor1088
      @serpentemperor1088 Před 6 lety +56

      Why do YA authors have a need to add love triangles? They just make the girl seem like the world’s biggest douche whilst the poor guys are vying for this girl’s attention. This is especially prevalent in the infernal devices and the twilight series. And yes, I know that polyamory and polygamy exist, but it is very rare and this trope is overused and just rubs me the wrong way. Humans are naturally monogamous creatures.

    • @toodleloo5257
      @toodleloo5257 Před 6 lety +2

      Serpentemperor 108 humans aren’t really that monogamous nowadays.

  • @raptorkid7477
    @raptorkid7477 Před 5 lety +782

    I feel like Maas wrote the synopsis before she wrote the actual book, and then she never bothered to change it.

    • @camilledembo4397
      @camilledembo4397 Před 5 lety +42

      Raptor Kid most of the time authors who are traditionaly published don't write their own synopsis, the people working with her pubshlising house wrote it

    • @leaf111
      @leaf111 Před 4 lety +7

      Camille Dembo was gonna say the same. i didn't like the book that much either but it's not sarah's fault we were mislead

    • @leaf111
      @leaf111 Před 4 lety +3

      ItsClairWoozworld yes exactly! advertisement is literally just lying a lot of the time and book synopsises aren't an exception. why not just be honest? sure, you might attract a smaller audience, but at least those who read it will be more likely to enjoy it rather than when you lie and set high expectations so a lot of the readers will be let down and dislike the book. just tell us what it's about lmao

  • @carsonbrown3961
    @carsonbrown3961 Před 4 lety +518

    Nehemia is literally the best character in the whole series, she ate up all them other girls except maybe Manon. Period

    • @alejandrasofiarivera6831
      @alejandrasofiarivera6831 Před 4 lety +25

      Carson Brown her death destroyed me

    • @stoopidcrumpet6679
      @stoopidcrumpet6679 Před 4 lety +18

      Alejandra Sofia Rivera woah bro thanks for the spoiler

    • @meerchlocxk
      @meerchlocxk Před 4 lety +37

      Bless. Manon and Nehemia are the only ones who deserve rights

    • @scremmy_draws
      @scremmy_draws Před 4 lety +9

      mmm whatcha say add chaol to that list

    • @meerchlocxk
      @meerchlocxk Před 4 lety +14

      @@scremmy_draws god, you're so right. Can't believe his character was literally destroyed so that she can cater R-whatshisname sjm is SUCH a great writer. Love what she does 🙃🙃

  • @siriuslyconfused1
    @siriuslyconfused1 Před 4 lety +134

    “Yeah she’s a total badass killer” “the chief of the guard will protect her” wait... why the hell would she need him to protect her if she’s that much of a badass assassin?

    • @vanjamalinovic3285
      @vanjamalinovic3285 Před 4 lety +13

      he didn't protect her he protected others by stoping her to kill someone while she's out

  • @amatullahm2384
    @amatullahm2384 Před 4 lety +598

    Since i finished the series, hearing about the love triangle makes me laugh, reminds me of when things were so simple for our main characters....when all the stuff in a year didn't happen to them.

    • @terezaslovackova2268
      @terezaslovackova2268 Před 4 lety +47

      that is what i think of! it was so easy and chaol/dorian and celaena love triangle is really funny. In my eyes this serie got better with every book, but my favourite for sure is Tower of Dawn, i really liked this book.

    • @alexandradegala6262
      @alexandradegala6262 Před 4 lety +11

      @@terezaslovackova2268 funny how I wasn't excited at all for Tower of Dawn but it ended up as one of my favorites too. XD

    • @majeedmamah7457
      @majeedmamah7457 Před 3 lety +11

      Right! I'm on Queen of shadows right now and that love triangle is barely a memory. I think it was only advertised to hook in the tween girl audience, twilight fans and such.

    • @majeedmamah7457
      @majeedmamah7457 Před 3 lety +5

      @@terezaslovackova2268 I'm on queen of shadows right now and I'd Heir of Fire was actually a step back. It felt a little too repetitive with the "Celeana meets boy, Celeana and boy hate each other, Celeana and boy come to understand each other and either become friends or lovers" shtick. I honestly enjoyed Manon's story far more in that book. But QOS is a huge leap forward

    • @eydergutierrez3933
      @eydergutierrez3933 Před 2 lety

      Yes

  • @alexmiddleton9390
    @alexmiddleton9390 Před 6 lety +750

    I think Celaena could’ve been interesting if her flaws: vanity, selfishness, arrogance, idiocy, had actually been written as flaws, bc they weren’t, SJM just wrote her like that because it was cool and for the sakr of having flaws rather than so that Celaena could actually work towards understanding and correcting them

    • @emeraldstarr7204
      @emeraldstarr7204 Před 5 lety +44

      Try reading the rest of the series before you judge it 🤷🏼‍♀️

    • @ThisAdamGuy
      @ThisAdamGuy Před 5 lety +123

      @@emeraldstarr7204 "I know the first book was a steaming pile of donkey crap, but you can't have an opinion until you've wasted even more of your hard earned money on them."

    • @emeraldstarr7204
      @emeraldstarr7204 Před 5 lety +30

      @@ThisAdamGuy wow, ok. I'm allowed to have my opinion. I was trying to say that all of the problems the person I replied to had with the first book are resolved and expanded on in the next books.

    • @ThisAdamGuy
      @ThisAdamGuy Před 5 lety +83

      Emerald Starr who the hell cares? Why would I buy book 2 when book 1 was one of the worst books I've ever read? That's like telling me to try a restaurant again after I ordered a hamburger and was given a moldy old sandal between two buns because the chef learned to put athlete's foot powder in his shoes before serving them.
      And isn't it ironic that you just told Alex that he wasn't allowed to have an opinion, and now your defense is "I'm allowed to have an opinion, okay?!".

    • @emeraldstarr7204
      @emeraldstarr7204 Před 5 lety +18

      @@ThisAdamGuy I didnt say he couldn't have an opinion you dipshit, I said he should read the whole series before judging it as a whole. Comparing a book to a restraunt is grossly inaccurate. Building a world, complex character arcs don't happen in a single book. If it does, its not a very good book in my opinion. You're a total douchbag that is somehow flipping out over the fact I really enjoy these books. Go bother someone else

  • @catelyn719
    @catelyn719 Před 4 lety +384

    The hairs on the back of my neck actually stood up when reading about the Ridderak. I thought the author did a great job making a spooky scene.

  • @inesuke8977
    @inesuke8977 Před 4 lety +63

    An assassin that doesn´t kill and thinks it´s wrong to do it... but is actually the most feared assassins ever... it sounded great in her head i guess

  • @aquamarineancientsoul7893
    @aquamarineancientsoul7893 Před 5 lety +304

    "Two me love her, the whole land fears her, only she can save them all"
    Sounds like wattpad

    • @thecakegarden5324
      @thecakegarden5324 Před 4 lety +31

      I write on Wattpad and I would hope I never write a description as cliched as that

    • @dxmxrxsbxxckthxwxxdxlf3931
      @dxmxrxsbxxckthxwxxdxlf3931 Před 2 lety +3

      @@thecakegarden5324 I read on wattpad and I have found real good books that beat the stuffing out of Throne of Glass so I am excited for what you have to share!

    • @thalia2576
      @thalia2576 Před rokem +1

      Sarah J. Maas written this when she was 16 years old...
      It was her first book ...

  • @anyakathryn6822
    @anyakathryn6822 Před 5 lety +155

    I read the first book, and I really liked Dorian and Nehemia, but I couldn’t stand Celaena. I hated reading from her perspective, she was vain, and all she thought about was boys. She didn’t seem like an assassin, plus I knew from day one it was Cain. It was not subtle at all.

    • @katlinporter3815
      @katlinporter3815 Před 2 lety +5

      Do you think this was intentional to distract us from her growth and assuming her “place”? (Trying not to share spoilers)!

    • @anelaivkovic6521
      @anelaivkovic6521 Před 2 lety +2

      Well, she is 18yrs old in that book. No wonder she was thinking of boys 😁

  • @amatullahm2384
    @amatullahm2384 Před 4 lety +356

    "something unexpected should happen at the end of the novel"
    ME: *THINKING ABOUT THE END OF CROWN OF MIDNIGHT* ^^

    • @bomella
      @bomella Před 4 lety +8

      Ik that was such a cliff hanger, so was Empire of storms!!!

    • @TheArtsy_
      @TheArtsy_ Před 4 lety +3

      I already figured the "big reveal' at the first clue on Throne of Glass and honestly, knowing the reveal happens at the end of book 2, it's the only thing that is giving me a little bit of motivation to finish crown of midnight bcs I'm half way through and the pacing is so slow and nothing interesting seems to happen :/
      but I told myself I'd finish this series bcs I like the world building

    • @ruinanjo6544
      @ruinanjo6544 Před 4 lety +3

      exactly.
      *nehemia is in our hearts*

    • @Sarah-og6cc
      @Sarah-og6cc Před 4 lety +2

      @@ruinanjo6544 ik i always reread that book up until Nehemia dies and our girl stops sleeping with Chaol because I fucking shipped them hard

    • @AbdulSamad-eh3xd
      @AbdulSamad-eh3xd Před 4 lety

      Last night I finished it and I'm desperately waiting to start heir of fire as soon as possible but have to read the assassins blade first

  • @Jrdn357
    @Jrdn357 Před 4 lety +208

    "Nehemia was my FAVOURITE character in this novel!"
    Me after Crown of Midnight: *Oh, my sweet summer child....*

    • @thalia5946
      @thalia5946 Před 3 lety +4

      I cried for a week straight when Nehemia....

    • @krabby-patty
      @krabby-patty Před 2 lety +2

      😂😂 i had it spoiled before i even read about it

  • @kaitlingormley256
    @kaitlingormley256 Před 5 lety +203

    In the other books, the secondary Manon has more depth/growth than the first our main character in any version on the book. Would legit read and enjoy the books more if there had been more Manon the Celeana

    • @aj_814
      @aj_814 Před 4 lety +24

      manon became my favorite character about a page after she was introduced

    • @Ana-qs9pt
      @Ana-qs9pt Před 4 lety +13

      Kaitlin Gormley I was really tempted to just read Manon’s chapters when I first read the book. She was the character that really made the series better for me, and I could see myself cheering for her more than I cheered for Celaena/Aelin

    • @TC-jx1bh
      @TC-jx1bh Před 4 lety +10

      Manon was my favourite character. I loved the iron teeth witches. Very interesting

    • @alyssapinon9670
      @alyssapinon9670 Před 4 lety +9

      The 13 were the best part of this series

    • @TC-jx1bh
      @TC-jx1bh Před 4 lety +3

      Alyssa Pinon FACTSSSS

  • @elenajovancic6208
    @elenajovancic6208 Před 5 lety +291

    I can understand why you don't like it and I appreciate the way you explain it, and even though I am a hardcore Sarah J. Maas fan, I didn't enjoy this book either, and feel like the story starts in the 2nd book. I loved all of her other books and the characters,and the ToG series in general, but I strongly agree with most of the things you said in this review, and I also love the way you discussed it without insulting or offending the author or the people who liked it, but just stated your own opinion.

    • @ariyafayt7106
      @ariyafayt7106 Před 4 lety +7

      Thank you for being mature!!!

    • @natrjardim
      @natrjardim Před 3 lety +5

      Ikr!!!! I started really enjoying it in the middle of the second book

    • @krabby-patty
      @krabby-patty Před 2 lety +3

      yeah the story really started in the 2nd book because the 1st book was just her battling against Cain, Nox, etc, until she inevitably became the king's champion.

  • @78luls
    @78luls Před 5 lety +293

    i just finished throne of glass and i love it-

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 5 lety +61

      layan maali to each their own! Glad you enjoyed it :)

    • @vanjamalinovic3285
      @vanjamalinovic3285 Před 4 lety +44

      Me too and then I watch these types of videos saying it's trash and crawl up cry and re-read it😂

    • @ruinanjo6544
      @ruinanjo6544 Před 4 lety +9

      YES I LOVE IT

    • @c.w.61
      @c.w.61 Před 4 lety +19

      The whole series was epic... Damn...

    • @quinnellflanagan6055
      @quinnellflanagan6055 Před 3 lety +11

      i know i literally cannot even fathom not enjoying this series. been a heavy reader my entire life, started this series at 21 years old and it's actually my favorite series ive ever read

  • @NixFaerie
    @NixFaerie Před 6 lety +901

    Dorian? You can't have a straight love interest named Dorian. That's just not allowed.

    • @rosegilliland220
      @rosegilliland220 Před 6 lety +177

      I just picture Dorian all fabulous while in the library talking to the inquisitor.

    • @weslaraye5305
      @weslaraye5305 Před 6 lety +75

      All the men love Dorian (Gray)

    • @silverflame6289
      @silverflame6289 Před 6 lety +17

      Well..he did stab her in the side.

    • @junjunjamore7735
      @junjunjamore7735 Před 6 lety +9

      I have an RP character named Dorian with a bf so this made me laugh. XD

    • @samh3396
      @samh3396 Před 6 lety +45

      He’s gay for Chaol ;))

  • @queendsheena1
    @queendsheena1 Před 6 lety +581

    Ouch. Drop them truths Jordan. As a writer I like hearing honest thoughts on books. I think it can only help others improve and not thread the same cliche paths others have done.

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 6 lety +13

      Haha glad I could help even a little!

    • @Kittenheelxoxo
      @Kittenheelxoxo Před 6 lety +2

      same!

    • @sophiathedandilioness
      @sophiathedandilioness Před 4 lety +2

      This is why I love booktube. I'm writing a fantasy series and everything I can learn from people like Jordan to help improve my work makes me so grateful this type of content exsists!

    • @anniez9502
      @anniez9502 Před 4 lety +2

      Well why don’t u write your own bestselling book before u talk like shut up no one cares

    • @gracemortlock3578
      @gracemortlock3578 Před 4 lety +1

      No! This is an amazing series written amazingly by an amazing another. Read them all or you cannot judge!

  • @leslies3890
    @leslies3890 Před 5 lety +95

    I’m behind the times just reading it now but I gotta say it’s incredibly underwhelming. The assassin that’s more like a stereotype high school cheerleader obsessed with popularity and her looks, her constant complaining about the weather, the pretty clothes, flirting with her captors from the get-go, the world that fears her yet gives her essentially free reign....need I go on?? Ugh!! If I wasn’t waiting for another book to be delivered I would quit this one entirely and I’m only 3/4 through it.
    Maybe it’s because I’m raising a daughter myself and I’m too old for this genre but I’m dying for a STRONG female character that isn’t a ditz!!

  • @Endless20162
    @Endless20162 Před 6 lety +184

    Love triangle...lets make it a pentagon or maybe a hexagonnnn orrrrr love octagon

  • @AceEverett
    @AceEverett Před 7 lety +680

    I was mostly annoyed by how hard the author pushed Celaena into the assassin role, while never proving it in her character or actions. People walked right up to her without her ever noticing them, she never went anywhere silently and stealthily, she was always noticed and even worse wanted to be noticed. She actually got angry that she was supposed to hide her identity and that people didn't know who she was. What assassin WANTS people to recognize them? A few times she gloated about her skill, but then was hurt that people were weary of her, afraid she might kill somebody. She had too many chances to take out people she thought were bad, but only thinks about killing people because they said something that wasn't pleasant about her or looked at her wrong. I could go on, but there's no need to. Queen of assassins, she was not.The writing was definitely off. I noticed myself skipping a lot of the text because it wasn't useful and interesting, or it was annoying. Endless talk of dresses, getting dressed, I don't like this dress, I don't like that thing or this thing or whatever. Why did an assassin need help getting dressed every time? I felt a few parts were contrived to the point I started getting angry and talking at the book. Example: Celaena begins to think Nehemia is the one killing champions. This is absurd because she didn't have any real motive. If she were to kill people, it would have been the king and his noblemen, not some thieves and killers that were there for some random year long tournament in order to be the king's assassin, which never made sense either.It was an interesting story, and I could definitely see why people like it, but I had to ignore a lot of text in order to be happy with it. My mind easily recognizes most faults, and I can ignore a few small ones here and there, but every other page I was disconnected with a character (usually the main character), the plot, or thrown by the disconcerting writing. The one thing that really crushed me was that I was really hoping to see a badass main character that wasn't overpowered or didn't feel fake. Almost every MC in a book is nice but weak, nice but invincible, or a wannabe badass whose power doesn't matter cause I just want to rewrite their whole character and pay someone to have a new book made with my corrections just for me. I feel bad ranting, but I could easily write a couple pages to go through how many things were wrong, you mentioned a lot of things I didn't want to add because my comment is already overly long. If only I were paid to review books and fix errors before they were published, except that this author would be livid that I highlighted half her book in red.

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 7 lety +66

      Haha YES. Thanks for this comment, you're 100% right. There are so many things about her that don't make sense! I would LOVE to see a copy of the book with your edits. Thanks again for the comment, you gave me a good chuckle.

    • @Twentythreesweet
      @Twentythreesweet Před 7 lety +15

      Styxx people like you will never be satisfied. Sit your miserable ass down and read something else. Like why is it necessary to share your uneducated opinion about a fucking BOOK? Books are like movies, not everyone likes them. And nobody cares about your dumbass opinion. Bye 👋🏾

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 6 lety +106

      MsCalisurfer quite the contrary, I actually really enjoyed their comment. One of the wonderful things about art and stories is that they can only be experienced individually, and yet they're more enjoyable when discussing them with other people. That way it becomes a shared experience.

    • @jackiecottey3277
      @jackiecottey3277 Před 6 lety +8

      Styxx well maybe she wasn't walking around stealthily because she didn't need to

    • @Twentythreesweet
      @Twentythreesweet Před 6 lety +7

      Styxx. You're comment makes no sense. You can tell you skipped some text for sure lol

  • @empressfreya9872
    @empressfreya9872 Před 6 lety +112

    I hated the series for a loooot of reasons but what bothered me a lot was that it suddenly changed genres. YA doesn't show graphic, violent sex. Chaol and Celaena actually have a sex scene in the series and it's so typical for YA - asking for consent, making out, fade to black.
    And suddenly Rowan turns up and is so god damn annoying and all of a sudden you have super graphic, animalistic, mountain shaking sex for pages. That's not YA! That's NA! It bothered me so so much

    • @helenaliu959
      @helenaliu959 Před 2 lety +28

      OH MY FRIGGIN--
      YES
      I read this book at the age of 13. *13*.
      I was so damn traumatised and confused.

    • @sanadorable
      @sanadorable Před 2 lety +3

      pls stop giving spoilers

    • @empressfreya9872
      @empressfreya9872 Před 2 lety +26

      @@sanadorable TOG has been out for YEARS and this comment is three years old.
      If you watch a video on it without having read it, it's on you

    • @doity
      @doity Před 2 lety +8

      Maybe don't read comments for books you haven't read...

    • @corialanuswhos9436
      @corialanuswhos9436 Před 2 lety

      I was eleven and it didn’t matter to me

  • @kuramasgirl96
    @kuramasgirl96 Před 4 lety +32

    I think book 2 has a lot more of the action that you were expecting in the first one. As someone who as read all 8 books in the series the first is definitely the lightest actionwise.

  • @raz3905
    @raz3905 Před 5 lety +122

    I love this book series so much, but I love Heir of Fire on because I love Aelin more than I love Celaena, if that makes sense. (Also Manon is QUEEN and I love the 13)

  • @Rachel-km6rs
    @Rachel-km6rs Před 5 lety +36

    That blurb is actually different than the one I have. Maybe mine was a later edition, but it does not mention a love triangle.

    • @meganbarth4817
      @meganbarth4817 Před 4 lety +8

      Rachel Allan yeah same with mine. I actually pulled mine out as she was reading her blurb and was like, is this the same book? I've just finished reading the fourth book in the series (Queen of Shadows) and so far I'm genuinely LOVING the series.

    • @stoopidcrumpet6679
      @stoopidcrumpet6679 Před 3 lety +1

      I think you have the UK edition. Mine is like that to

  • @meganbarth4817
    @meganbarth4817 Před 4 lety +62

    It's weird because the blurb of my ToG book is different to yours.
    "MEET CELAENA SARDOTHIEN. BEAUTIFUL. DEADLY. DESTINED FOR GREATNESS.
    In the dark, filthy salt mines of Endovier, an eighteen-year-old girl is serving a life sentence. She is a trained assassin, the best of her kind, but she made a fatal mistake. She got caught.
    Young Captain Westfall offers her a deal: her freedom in return for one huge sacrifice. Celaena must represent the prince in a to-the-death tournament - fighting the most gifted thieves and assassins in the land. Live or die, Celaena will be free. Win or lose, she is about the discover her true destiny. But will her assassins heart be melted."
    I do agree that it is a slow book, however it isn't meant to be read as a standalone; it is the opening book to a very complex series. Without this first book as an opener, there is no connection to Celaena being hidden for 10 years as an assassin, and no explanation for Aelin to learn about the wyrdstones and wyrdmarks. As much as it isn't a great standalone book, it is an ESSENTIAL part of the bigger story, which is what a lot of people don't understand.
    I'm all for people having their literary preferences, and not liking stories. I'm in no way saying "tHesE aRE aLl thE rEaSOns YOu sHoULd liKe tHe STorY," however I don't believe it is right to judge a book as a standalone when it is part of a much larger and MUCH more complex storyline.

    • @jacklemm1518
      @jacklemm1518 Před 4 lety +7

      Megan Barth I agree. People only judge the first books and if they don’t like it they say the whole series is trash without even at least trying to read the other books. I’m not saying you HAVE to read the whole series and then form an opinion on it. But least try to read a little bit of book 2 or something before you say the series is trash.

    • @stoopidcrumpet6679
      @stoopidcrumpet6679 Před 4 lety +2

      Yes, my blurb is like that to. I had no idea there was going to be any sort of ‘evil’ in the book going into it. I thought it was just going to be about the competitions

    • @moamind2121
      @moamind2121 Před 4 lety

      Wait why does ur book say chaol offered this chance to celaena after she got caught? He didn't, Dorian did. Nd she got caught as in got caught when she was still an assassin?? This sypnosis sounds a little messed up tbh 😅😅😅

    • @p.h7031
      @p.h7031 Před 3 lety +3

      Uma JK it’s the UK/AUS version

    • @Requiem-kg6te
      @Requiem-kg6te Před 3 lety +6

      If the first book isn't interesting- let me fix that, a book with 300+ pages doesn't get interesting than no people shouldn't give it a second chance if they dont want to. It's like people saying a show gets good in season two 😐

  • @natrjardim
    @natrjardim Před 3 lety +14

    The best thing about this series is that it completely changed. Like, a storm of plot twist. In the end, we laugh about how innocent we were in the first 2 books.

  • @ruithebaguette2862
    @ruithebaguette2862 Před 6 lety +308

    All of my reading nowadays is done in fanfiction.
    1. It's free! If I don't like it, I won't fight through it just for feeling like I didn't burn 20€.
    2. Where else would I find some sweet gay stuff? I'd like to read something else than the straightest romances ever, whose only turns are the corners of the love triangle from time to time.
    3. I got characters I already love, and quite often they are not OOC. And if they are, see my first point.
    4. Crazy AUs or UAs! Where do you find a retired assassin hitting up a barista who's desperately trying to become the greatest villain ever?
    5. Some 15yo virgins write better smut than those best-selling adults.
    Just my coping method.

    • @dececanem
      @dececanem Před 6 lety +16

      Rui Synx An assassin and a barista? That sounds super fun! What is the name of that story?

    • @ruithebaguette2862
      @ruithebaguette2862 Před 6 lety +11

      cavecanem Oh, I saw that once as a writing prompt and liked the idea. I don't know where to find _exactly_ that stuff but a lot of fandoms have an abundance of coffee shop AUs. Maybe one of them features an assassin?

    • @dececanem
      @dececanem Před 6 lety +7

      Aw, that's to bad. It sounded like a nice concept

    • @ruithebaguette2862
      @ruithebaguette2862 Před 6 lety +2

      Maybe one day inspiration will hit me and I'll try to write it for you ;)

    • @dececanem
      @dececanem Před 6 lety +1

      lmao, you totally should! Hit me up if you do :D I'm sure it would get real popular ~

  • @ES-ix6ll
    @ES-ix6ll Před 6 lety +544

    Y'all in the comments need to chill with these hate comments praising Sarah J Maas like she's the next Arthur Conan Doyle or something... All YA novelists need to start understanding cliche tropes and cliched characters won't cut it. The only reason they cut it in the first place is that these boring ass love triangles and "strong female characters" are what's trending. Trends don't last forever henceforth this boring mediocre writing won't last forever because that's what it is. A trend. Look at world famous authors like Shakespeare and Jane Austen. People remember them because what they wrote was real, raw and powerful and people remember them for their originality. What they wrote was from the heart, not because it's what was "in demand" or "trending". So sad truth is that this type of cliched and lazy writing will not be remembered or valued by society because of its mind numbing unoriginality. Now if you liked the book, cool good for you. But no need to be rude and act like people can't form their own opinions. My point is that writers don't feel genuine anymore, because often times these cliches a boring character tropes come from authors desperate to make a dime who are more interested in following trends that appeal to the majority of boring and half wit teenagers who can't understand real literature rather than writing real, raw content.

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 6 lety +38

      It really feels that way sometimes, doesn't it?

    • @rasheedawilson752
      @rasheedawilson752 Před 6 lety +18

      I am not saying I disagree with you but these kind of books have existed forever. It's not like writers in the 19th and 20th centuries were all shitting out classic masterpieces. There were heaps of bad books with tropes and many writers were upper class and a part of the bourgeois. I love Jane Austen but lots of people think she is very boring and doesn't really contribute anything to literature. Some people actually think she has no real plot in her writings. Additionally, the current trends in YA have been around for a very long time. Now I don't think Throne of Glass was amazing or even good in terms of writing. I enjoyed it for what it is and maybe because I haven't read YA in a long time all the tropes didn't bother me that much. Honestly, people write like this because they grew up reading books like this. That's it. And all power to them. It is not my writing style personally but it is for some people. YA has its fault but there are lots of memorable plots that have come from the genre that have completely overshadowed contemporary adult books whether well deserved or not. This is coming from someone who doesn't read that much YA.

    • @MyaAni
      @MyaAni Před 6 lety +3

      okay i agree with all of your comment except the jane austen bit. to me personally, she was just the trashy romance novel of the late 1700s/early 1800s. not particularly memorable, and i found her books to be very much a struggle to get through.

    • @Ruby-sm5my
      @Ruby-sm5my Před 6 lety +5

      How could you so horridly insult a writer who created a book so precious to many, including me?! How rude can you possibly be to say something like that?! You people who hate on this book need to read it again or something because it's incredible.

    • @smileymctrashbag
      @smileymctrashbag Před 6 lety +10

      Ruby Thorp Lmao, no it isn't. Get over it.

  • @Albert25012501
    @Albert25012501 Před 6 lety +219

    The top assassin in the world.....the character is just totally not convincing.

    • @davis30960
      @davis30960 Před 4 lety +4

      @Mrytle Romilly they go a bit into her "training/upbringing" in book 1 but it's more detailed in 2 and that pre sequel. But it's also hinted at through out book 1 that no one knows what she looks like and that she's a girl.

    • @anniez9502
      @anniez9502 Před 4 lety +3

      Um it’s a FICTION book??

    • @gracemortlock3578
      @gracemortlock3578 Před 4 lety +1

      Do not be put off! This is an amazing story for everyone! Read them all as they get better and better!

    • @annarekhasimon2398
      @annarekhasimon2398 Před 4 lety

      I thought her character believe her to be a top assassin, but through out the book she was proved wrong (I thought it was to show the arrogance of celeana sardothien)

  • @cnccvincc
    @cnccvincc Před 5 lety +66

    This book honestly sounds like the author was trying to write a middle grade book, but it accidentally became YA somewhere along the way.

    • @modernestella
      @modernestella Před 2 lety +1

      That might be because she was 16 when she wrote it...

  • @hannahschneider9761
    @hannahschneider9761 Před 5 lety +34

    Re the dialogue: I felt like there was this clash between the author's attempt to use formal/old-fashioned language as per the usual fantasy/kingdom tropes, that just felt really out of place coming out of the characters' mouths since they'd described within such 'modern' narration. I also didn't detect any distinct voices in the characters - they all sounded the same.

    • @faithalways8537
      @faithalways8537 Před 5 lety +2

      The book was so... Bland.

    • @alejandrasofiarivera6831
      @alejandrasofiarivera6831 Před 4 lety

      I actually enjoyed reading the series, though i do remember this putting me off in the first book. Also the first book wasn’t really my favorite and I wouldn’t say it’s the smartest series out there

  • @bradenskaggs5350
    @bradenskaggs5350 Před 4 lety +20

    I feel like the 1st book is definitely very flawed but it explains a lot of the series and is a good opener. It's not the worst book in the series (the 2nd and 6th books are my least favorites) but I can understand why Celaena is seen as a Mary Sue. Maas definitely fixes this in later books

  • @ShowMeLoveFilms
    @ShowMeLoveFilms Před 6 lety +46

    I actually really like this book, though the plot took one HELL of turn later on in the third and fourth. I'm curious as to what you have to say.

  • @smoothtro6164
    @smoothtro6164 Před 4 lety +35

    I found it kinda funny when you said "she'd hate to brake a nail" because in queen of shadows she said "you won't find me crying over a broken nail" (no shade just found it funny)

  • @vredacted1503
    @vredacted1503 Před 4 lety +9

    I think the reason a lot of people like Celenea so much because they could see themselves in her. Like when she used her beauty and jokes as a way to protect her heart and such...

  • @cupcakedoce956
    @cupcakedoce956 Před rokem +6

    Actually I'm pretty much like the idea of a assassin hating breaking a nail, it's kinda of a "break" in the cliché, assassins don't need to always only care about kill kill and being badass, they can also like to be pretty like any random girl and being a "female fatale", I like this ideia and it's not a problem to me

  • @asinicw9906
    @asinicw9906 Před 6 lety +11

    from goodread negative reviews it actually seems like this assassin girl behaves a bit like a spoiled princess?

  • @des7604
    @des7604 Před 6 lety +56

    I agree on everything. throne of glass was a huge disappointment. and it's sad cause it has so much potential. my biggest problems with it was the boring, predictable plot and celeana. it was very hard for me to believe that she was the most notorious assassin in that world. if the most notorious assassin eats candy like a kid, plays with puppies and reads books instead of training then less notorious assassins are saints or something. I was annoyed how her being an assassin was her most commonly mentioned characteristic yet she never really killed anyone, only said she would. also, am I the only one kinda bothered by how easy the competition was?? or that they were not allowed to kill one another?? that would have made the story much darker and interesting

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 6 lety +2

      Yup! There were so many issues.

    • @areebgulzar2171
      @areebgulzar2171 Před 5 lety +2

      Read Assasins Blade, she kills. She kills later on in the series.

    • @annarekhasimon2398
      @annarekhasimon2398 Před 4 lety

      But she was changed after Endovier,but really assassin's blade had to be the first book. We don't really understand her, and the character change after Endovier and most of the story without it

  • @jagu1143
    @jagu1143 Před 6 lety +177

    I just thought that Celeana was pretty much the worst assassin in the world by how stupidly careless her actions are and her near total lack of emotional control for her fellow competitors, friends and love interests. Mediocre writing at best.

    • @Air_Serpent
      @Air_Serpent Před 6 lety +7

      Ja Gu I loved the book but I couldn't help but think of this throughout. I felt doubtful that she could be the best assassin with those traits..

    • @katrinagomez7730
      @katrinagomez7730 Před 6 lety +3

      Ja Gu SHE WAS SIXTEEN AT THE TIME. YOU DON'T KNOW HER PAIN 😭😭 I'M CRYING FOR HER.

    • @utrix_1121
      @utrix_1121 Před 6 lety +17

      Katrina Gomez Yeah, but she is an assassin. If she is emotionally stable to take a life or make proper decisions then she can’t be an assassin.

    • @emilyb5307
      @emilyb5307 Před 6 lety +4

      The reason it didn't bother me was that I read the prequel (Assassin's Blade) beforehand, and while not required to understand the story, it does set up previous lifestyle, personal loss and character change that helped me put up with the moodswings and lack of emotional control in this book. Caeleana was an established and well-feared assassin in the initial novel, and in this book, she was recovering from a whole lot of personal loss, betrayal, and then time spent in a literal death camp, so for me, I could understand that she wasn't going to just jump straight back onto her feet. This was compounded by the fact that those in the competition weren't supposed to know who she was as Caeleana Sardothien, so she initially kept a lower profile throughout. I do understand the love interest issue though- there are a few too many for my taste, and it just kinda jumped out of nowhere. Anyway, maybe I'd have a different opinion had I not read Assassin's Blade first.

    • @valensiash8495
      @valensiash8495 Před 6 lety +2

      Seriously SHE DOESN’T NEED YOUR PERMISSION TO BE AN ASSASSIN

  • @slhamm77
    @slhamm77 Před 4 lety +23

    Three years later lol... totally agree. The story promised a cool making of the assassin story and didn’t deliver. I don’t mind a love story in my action book but I found all the main characters kind of tedious and the pacing really bad. I also had the same problems with her characters. They told us how amazing she was and then... no. It took me forever to get through it. I’m not sure how I feel about “well it’s the first book the others get better!” I mean not all first books are amazing but they still have to plant some seeds that keep people interested. This put me off all her books ever. Don’t tell me the next six books are great when I can’t get through the first one. A way to each their own but in just couldn’t get into it.

  • @Ami-qu6id
    @Ami-qu6id Před 2 lety +14

    Felt like a 12 year old girly girl wrote it who dreamed of being the extremely pretty popular girl all the boys fell over, but also add some “mystery” and “I’m so powerful but pretend to be humble”
    Basically all kinds of different YA stories smushed together.
    The writing was extremely hard to read without eye rolls and sooo many little girl style comments.

  • @feels0.019
    @feels0.019 Před 6 lety +338

    Seriously I can't find a decent ya novel nowadays

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 6 lety +68

      Yeah, it's getting increasingly difficult.

    • @amy233
      @amy233 Před 6 lety +19

      FEELS 0.0 maybe it’s time to movie on to new adult or adult?

    • @ruoweilim7334
      @ruoweilim7334 Před 6 lety

      ikr

    • @empressfreya9872
      @empressfreya9872 Před 6 lety +39

      Jordan Harvey I'd really recommend The Young Elites by Marie Lu because it's reaaaally good. The protagonist is, like, REALLY morally gray, there's no love triangle, people are ACTUALLY KILLED, it has poc as main characters and it has a compelling plot!

    • @rilynnmcox640
      @rilynnmcox640 Před 6 lety +5

      Personally I would still recommend Throne of Glass, not everyone is gonna like the same book and you shouldn’t decide because of one rant that it is a bad book. If you did all books would be considered bad books, I would still read this book and also she was only talking about the first book 😉. Multiple things get explained and people change over times into characters I love, and giant plot twists.

  • @nowyuosee109
    @nowyuosee109 Před 6 lety +113

    Oh just wait.... she becomes a real Mary Sue later on
    And there's also abusive relationships that are painted as 'ideal'

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 6 lety +20

      Yee would not believe yee eyes AMAZING! So many things that I love :P

    • @miniqui100
      @miniqui100 Před 6 lety +21

      "Abusive relationship"?? He's her trainer, not her love interest and when that happens he's no longer "problematic". These books are all about progress and personal growth

    • @LadyLilith1015
      @LadyLilith1015 Před 5 lety +12

      Dani. Doesn't Rowan get like super jealous and territorial?

    • @malloryrollins8077
      @malloryrollins8077 Před 5 lety +10

      Rowan is in no way abusive, every time someone says this I ask for proof. (Spoilers) they’re actually meant for each other and is proven time and time again. As for territorial, that is his nature as a Fae, though it can get annoying. But Rowan isn’t abusive.

    • @emeraldstarr7204
      @emeraldstarr7204 Před 5 lety +9

      @@LadyLilith1015 not anymore than a normal person is. When he knows he's being ridiculous, he keeps it to himself. Not to mention the fae are much more animalistic in nature then humans. I appreciate that maas didn't humanize them too much.

  • @purelysmetalnightcore
    @purelysmetalnightcore Před 5 lety +13

    How hard is it to make an assassin extremely cold, manipulative, cruel, etc.? Assassin/super soldier characters have so much potential to be engaging and fascinating anti-heroes. I want my debut series as an author to be about a super soldier rebelling against the government that reared her to be an assassin since childhood, and honestly it's nice to know for sure that I can nail that kind of character better than Sarah

  • @comeatmebro7654
    @comeatmebro7654 Před 4 lety +6

    to fair, the first book was written by a 16 year old, and i thought it was alright. but it became a lot better in crown of midnight, and when i read heir of fire i fell in love with the series.

  • @scremmy_draws
    @scremmy_draws Před 4 lety +11

    My big issue with ToG (not the rest of the books) was that SJM told us from the beginning that Celaena was the best assassin in Erilea, instead of showing us. We never had a scene of her proving her abilities as an assassin before her time in Endovier! They fix it by CoM and the story is great from there, but she really messed up her character in ToG!

  • @primrosett
    @primrosett Před 6 lety +250

    Omg FINALLY someone else that doesn't like this book. Like you said, I didn't like Celaena, felt she didn't personify an assassin at all. I don't mind the idea of a girly assassin who likes dressing up, but she still needs to BE an assassin, and Celaena just wasn't (not in this book anyways, I can't speak for the sequels because I have no interest in reading them after this one). People sneak up on her all the time, she's not especially sneaky or very clever. She spends more time thinking about boys or dresses or how pretty she is, when I feel like a real assassin would at least always be keeping tabs on everyone around her in some capacity. She's not very attentive at all. Celaena just comes across as a 21st century teenager plopped into this world, and then SJM pointed to her and said "you're an assassin now". I don't buy it.
    Moreover, I found the romance incredibly weak. This wouldn't have been so bad when it comes to Dorian because *SPOILERS* it's very clear he's just the romantic false lead and that Chaol was set to be the true love interest in later sequels. But it's just handled so clumsily and shallowly. Both dudes, despite knowing how dangerous she's supposed to be, are pretty much INSTANTLY taken with her and have a crush on her within... what? 3 chapters? The whole "romantic false lead" ruse doesn't work when I can PLAINLY tell he's not the real romantic lead, and the whole "slow burn" thing falls flat when the dude falls for the protag in like 5 seconds. I think this whole scenario is more frustrating to me because my favourite fictional romance of all time has a similar "romantic false lead prince and slow burn warrior friend" dynamic except it's done 10000x better and more believably.
    I just... I think I was really disappointed by this book. The plot had no twists, the protag had this over inflated ego and didn't suit her reputation or profession, the romance was weak and somehow managed to turn an attempt at slow burn into instalove. Overall I just found it very lackluster. I was very surprised when I discovered booktube, and found out that it was extremely popular and well-liked. Can't say I really understand the hype, but to each their own.
    P.S. The people getting nasty in this comment section need to chill tf out. Jordan didn't attack anyone for liking these books, and she made it perfectly clear her stance on it was negative in the title. If you're going to get THIS heated about a negative opinion, you really should have never watched the video in the first place. You knew what you were getting into, now stop it with the personal attacks.

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 6 lety +29

      YES YES YES!
      And thank you for sticking up for me! I NEVER want anyone to feel attacked for liking something that I don't, but I do feel that I am entitled to share my thoughts on these works... that is a huge part art of our understanding of art and the world around us.

    • @katrinagomez7730
      @katrinagomez7730 Před 6 lety +10

      Emilie Everything that happened in THE ASSASSIN'S BLADE, THRONE OF GLASS, CROWN OF MIDNIGHT, is just a part of Celaena's master plan. You don't know her true intentions 😁 and her true identity. You guys are so missing out.

    • @elliem2750
      @elliem2750 Před 6 lety +7

      Hell yes!! You just summarised everything I don't like about this book perfectly

    • @arcevans7324
      @arcevans7324 Před 6 lety +19

      Nope, for a person to be this bad, and to end up waiting for a simple master plan is a horrible way to enjoy a book series. boring and vain character, cliche love triangle, slow plot.
      It's like a 5th-grade wattpader wrote this book, I gave it a chance, and it was not for me.
      But you enjoyed it, and that is all that matters.

    • @LA-sh9jh
      @LA-sh9jh Před 6 lety

      Chaol? What the fudgecakes, no😂😂

  • @Thatdumbgremlin
    @Thatdumbgremlin Před 6 lety +44

    Yeah, I wasn't very keen on this one, either. Luckily, Nevernight by Jay Kristoff has the same base plot of TOG, but it's executed 10X better, with an assassin MC who could rip out Celaena's spine before the other girl would even have time to blink--seriously, Mia is awesome, and super dense, intricate worldbuilding. I'd recommend it to pretty much anyone, provided they're not squeamish.

    • @Thatdumbgremlin
      @Thatdumbgremlin Před 6 lety +5

      The only real problem I have with it so far, is that most of the worldbuilding is revealed through little asides marked by asterisks. It's all interesting, mind you, but everytime an asterisk appears, the general flow of the story, both emotional and kinetic, is stopped dead so that the narrator can explain different aspects of the worldbuilding. Mostly at the beginning, but it does die down significantly later on.

    • @emilyrohm6243
      @emilyrohm6243 Před 5 lety +5

      OtakuhimeXDD
      Oh my god, I LOVED Nevernight! You’re so right about Mia; she is one of my favorite characters of all time and is what Celeana should have been! The second book, Godsgrave, is just as amazing too! Anxiously awaiting the third and final book next year!

  • @thesunforest5178
    @thesunforest5178 Před 6 lety +9

    Omg FINALLY a review of Throne of glass I can relate too. To be honest I hated the book and I was shocked to find out that it's a series with multiple other very popular books. I really had to force myself to read it until the end. I don't like the protagonist too, to me she just seemed like a spoiled brat with her 18 years, obsession with cute princess dresses and her very childish dialogues. She REALLY DIDN'T seem like an assassin who had gone through hell and apart from a few scenes her fighting skill wasn't that badass either. I mean she should be the greatest, strongest assassin that everyone knew and feared but her personality really didn't match with that. I really didn't like her.
    But the worst thing is the filler content. There is SO MUCH filler content in this book, I was literally upset reading it. There were whole chapters that didn't serve ANY purpose for the plot, just more unromantic romance where nothing happened or stupid descriptions of dreams that were completely unnecessary. I was so upset reading those pointless chapters. It showed so much, that the author knew about the start and the end of the story, but not the middle. There were way too much filler, especially when the climax was close. Ugh, so annoying.
    And the writing... At the beginning of the book it was quite good. But while the story progressed and especially in the filler content in the middle the writing really got worse. The writing in the end was good again, even if there was no great plot twist and the story was really predictable and the climax was just... meh. I mean it's common that characters are at their worse when the climax comes, but the usually somehow manage to grow stronger. I didn't get that feeling with the protagonist at all. She was just weak and the way Chaol or Dorian (I forgot who it was because I was just ANNOYED and UPSET and BORED) cheered her up was just pathetic.
    Again, even the writing showed so much, that the author really just outlined the beginning and the ending well. Everything in between was shit. I don't understand how this series got so popular. The book really is one of the worse I've read in a long time. It just SUCKS.
    Sorry for the negativity. But FINALLY I found someone who shares my opinion on this book, thank you!

  • @cass6020
    @cass6020 Před 3 lety +16

    "it felt very young" tbh the older I've gotten as the series continued releasing, the more I've had to admit the flaws that I didn't like (the long, dull periods between events, Cain being the most obvious option for bbeg ever) and I think if I read this for the first time now, I'd find it really boring and cringy. I read it in high school and I was so taken by the characters and the opportunity to escape to another world. At this point, it's like nostalgia, I can't dislike the book because it got me so excited and into writing more often, which I probably wouldn't have done if I hadn't read it

    • @ninjablack4347
      @ninjablack4347 Před 3 lety +3

      I can understand why teenage girls love the story. I cannot understand how anyone over 25 thinks its awesome. Theres a difference between a guilty pleasure and saying something is actually good

  • @scremmy_draws
    @scremmy_draws Před 4 lety +4

    The first thing that made me see Celaena’s Mary Sue side was her vast knowledge of history. It seemed to be a strange skill for an assassin, especially one that has been in a death camp! The second thing, which is the one that solidified her Mary Sue-ness was her perfect ability to play piano! Again, she has been in a death camp for a year and had been trained by assassins since age 10! She hasn’t touched a piano in YEARS, and yet she is able to play it perfectly!

    • @emilyshah9794
      @emilyshah9794 Před 4 lety +2

      she learned to play piano during the 10 years. Arobynn made her learn so "shed be good at something other than killing"

    • @scanzerattacksd6925
      @scanzerattacksd6925 Před 7 měsíci

      Well she was trained to do. I haven't played paino and read sheet music for years but when I go to the mall and see the grand pianos your daaayymm sure I can sit on there and play, it's almost muscle memory 😅

  • @iovechester5654
    @iovechester5654 Před 4 lety +8

    I just finished reading it and honestly I liked it. I liked the storyline but I didn’t really SJM writing. It seemed a little strange to me. For example I don’t understand how she easily broke up with Dorian and didn’t feel any pain or regret when a few pages ago she seemed to care and like him so much. I’m not sure how to explain it. Also in my version of the book at the end there was the 1st chapters of and so she had to kill for the king and she couldn’t do it. She felt bad for them and it kinda felt strange to me because she’s supposed to be an assassin and they’re supposed to kill. But I’ll still read the rest of the series because I’m interested what’s going to happen.

  • @X_MissMary_X
    @X_MissMary_X Před 6 lety +20

    I enjoyed Throne of Glass (have VERY up and down feelings about the series as a whole) but YES I was also so angry when Cain was the evil one! It was so painfully obvious!

    • @jacklemm1518
      @jacklemm1518 Před 3 lety +3

      Nox would’ve been a better villain cause he was an ally with celaena so it would be more heart wrenching if he turned out to be the bad one

    • @wiwi7902
      @wiwi7902 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jacklemm1518 exactly

  • @12nerdynerd12
    @12nerdynerd12 Před rokem +2

    Honestly I’m really trying to get through the empire of storms. I’m pulling my hair out. it’s kind of really drawn out and I feel like I’m making head way I’m 40 chapters in and we still haven’t gotten anywhere really. It’s been a meh book over all.

  • @arwenmolas4837
    @arwenmolas4837 Před 7 lety +106

    Did she say "Kale?" lol😂

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 7 lety +22

      Arwen Morgenstern-Herondale that's how I read it in my head, and now I can't think of him as anything else!!

    • @arwenmolas4837
      @arwenmolas4837 Před 7 lety +16

      Jordan Harvey at first i read it as "Cole". Then my friend said it was "Kale" then i found out during Heir of fire that it's actually "kay-all" but now i can't stop thinking of Chaol as Kale.

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 7 lety +41

      Arwen Morgenstern-Herondale oh yeah, we have Peeta, we have Chaol, soon we'll have all the food groups

    • @nicolecheer6490
      @nicolecheer6490 Před 6 lety +7

      I've been pronouncing it as "shay-ol" woops 😂😂

    • @nhn3350
      @nhn3350 Před 6 lety +1

      She also pronounced Sardothian wrong while reading the back XD (like you'd think with the pronunciation guide she would)

  • @weasleyredhair
    @weasleyredhair Před 6 lety +22

    I dont understand why she bothered with the stupid love triangle if neither of them end up with her in the end did they.
    I know I liked chaol too.

    • @eleriparsons8396
      @eleriparsons8396 Před 5 lety +3

      Umm... because how likely is it that you actually meet someone and then go into a love triangle situation, and then actually end up with them? I mean, god, how predictable would that be?

    • @MsNateRiver1
      @MsNateRiver1 Před 5 lety +1

      That shit ain't satisfyin' in the least.

  • @makayleesmith4442
    @makayleesmith4442 Před 5 lety +3

    Like many others I hate cliche love stories like this. I gave it a chance and continued reading. AND I WILL TELL YOU THIS SERIES TURNS COMPLETELY AROUND. As the story continues you realize that everything written in the first book was for a reason. Please please please continue reading the series even if you were put off by the first book. I have cried many times over during my time reading this series. By the time I finished the last book I completely forgot I was reading the same series.

  • @its_me_luv6941
    @its_me_luv6941 Před 3 lety +4

    the only love triangle I’ve been able to enjoy is in the Cruel prince in the Folk of the Air series because it added to the story line whereas the love triangle in this book is so generic. there’s nothing important abt it and if you got rid of it the plot line wouldn’t change, meaning the love triangle in Throne of Glass is pointless.

  • @ttgr4y
    @ttgr4y Před 4 lety +55

    I mean I liked it, y’all should read the entire series because this is one of seven books lmao it’s only the beginning of Aelin’s character development and the others are absolutely genius

    • @123biler
      @123biler Před 4 lety +22

      Spoiler: no, they're not

    • @ttgr4y
      @ttgr4y Před 4 lety +5

      123biler your opinion I guess 🤷‍♀️ some people like it some people don’t. Don’t have to get aggressive my dude

    • @taylorgayhart9497
      @taylorgayhart9497 Před 4 lety +4

      Genius is a stretch for me lol but I do like them and recommend them for a fun series!

    • @ttgr4y
      @ttgr4y Před 4 lety +2

      Taylor Gayhart if you couldn’t tell I’m a very big fan lmao

    • @breannajones3930
      @breannajones3930 Před 4 lety +1

      I'm a big fan too! Absolutely fell hard in love with the series so you're not alone. 😊

  • @ileaween
    @ileaween Před 6 lety +41

    I couldn’t even finish this book. The art on the cover is cool though, I’ll give it that 😒

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 6 lety +3

      I agree, the cover is really pretty

    • @ileaween
      @ileaween Před 6 lety +6

      Jordan Harvey When that is all someone can say about a book you know it’s really bad 😂

    • @anniez9502
      @anniez9502 Před 4 lety

      ileaween 🖕🖕🖕🖕
      Or maybe there’s more to it than the cover and u just have horrible taste in books??

  • @your.favorite.detective25
    @your.favorite.detective25 Před 4 lety +16

    I loved the books, finished the whole series actually and am a superfan(respecting all opinions)

  • @amywan5675
    @amywan5675 Před 4 lety +7

    Thank you so much for talking about this!! I couldn't agree more - the book had way more potential and is much more underwhelming than its fans paint it... that being said, I think it's a FUN book to read, just not necessarily a GOOD book!

  • @user-fp3bw6uk1g
    @user-fp3bw6uk1g Před 4 lety +15

    I’m actually so in love with the series that it’s my second time reading it now, and it’s just as good to me, but we are allowed opinions lol

  • @Carolina-rd3gh
    @Carolina-rd3gh Před 5 lety +25

    I really liked this book. Can’t relate to any of this. But interesting to know opinions like this exist.

  • @heeyoongshin4711
    @heeyoongshin4711 Před 6 lety +25

    THANK YOU FOR POINTING OUT THE FLAWS (EVEN IF I'M A FAN OF TOG)

    • @heeyoongshin4711
      @heeyoongshin4711 Před 6 lety +1

      THIS IS WHAT CRITIQUES REALLY DO. YOU GO GIRL! I'M LOOKING FORWARD FOR MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS. 😉

  • @elissalowe4002
    @elissalowe4002 Před 3 lety +2

    There wasn’t much drama between chaol and Dorian over celena bc they both loved each other and respected each other so much. Chaol was willing to let Dorian have her regardless of his feelings for her. Same with Dorian. They had a friendship that couldn’t be faltered even through to the last book. I loved throne of glass series! Everyone has a right to their own opinion though!

  • @caitlin8459
    @caitlin8459 Před 5 lety +5

    My book Throne Of Glass doesn't have the same blurb on the back

  • @lr2ldn
    @lr2ldn Před 6 lety +80

    I've DNF'd Throne of Glass about 15 times. Like, I can't. And the fandom is super obnoxious and childish.

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 6 lety +5

      le sigh I mean I wouldn’t attack an entire fandom, but yeah I don’t think the books great

    • @lr2ldn
      @lr2ldn Před 6 lety +4

      Maybe not the whole fandom but about 90% of the ones that I see. lol

    • @zaiemrys5917
      @zaiemrys5917 Před 5 lety

      "childish" - it implies readers who are physically and/or mentally a child. WTF?! It's dangerous to let them read this trash!!!

    • @annabanana7659
      @annabanana7659 Před 5 lety +15

      @@zaiemrys5917 Oh you'd be surprised how people in their mid teens to early twenties would threaten you online just because you didn't really like what they like hahaha. I once stated I didn't really like the Shadowhunter series by Cassandra Claire and almost 20+ Tumblr users tried to figuratively rip my throat when I listed down why I didn't like it.

    • @zaiemrys5917
      @zaiemrys5917 Před 5 lety +2

      @@annabanana7659, when they look back, after so many years has passed, they will be so ashamed of themselves. There are thousands of books out of the YA genre that are more worthy of defending than Maas and Clare's vanity swills. I always believe that any MALE RELATIVE of Cassandra Clare should effing run away from her. Her MC is not just a Ginny ripoff, it is also her very own avatar (if the red dyed hair of hers is not blunt enough to prove that). The character shows her own preferences and, boy, does she love incest. ( ̄へ ̄)

  • @annghauri6949
    @annghauri6949 Před 3 lety +3

    I read the first novel and I can agree with you with the majority of the things you've said in this video. I don't understand Celaena's purpose as an Assassin because it felt like a title that she carried around with her, that declared her to be seen as a badass and dangerous. And personally, her occupation as an Assassin could signify other things than the obvious. Assassins originally came from the Middle East and I would have liked to see a twist upon the concept, when the author had decided that Assassins are apart of her world.
    Celaena's values as an assassin and as a person shift around a lot throughout the novel at a very quick pace, that it makes you think that the author suddenly decided Celaena needs to care about others, just after cursing at them for imprisoning her. Just there and then, she needed to be the hero because you know, plot must go on.
    I can't give any credit to Celaena and what she says, when she plans escape routes or plans to disarm and kill someone, because it feels that she overestimates her abilities and also other people overestimate her abilities too. How the author hypes Celaena and how Celaena hypes herself, ruins her character overall because it makes her arrogant and obnoxious. Chaol and Nehemia were the only characters that fleshed Celaena's character more by calming down that ego of hers.
    I don't know if I should continue the series or not. Supposedly a lot of people say Sarah makes up for her plot holes with the rest of the books.

  • @Wright805
    @Wright805 Před 4 lety

    Great review. I started reading this book a while ago (currently on chapter 14). I'll have to think about whether or not to drop it.

  • @dianemiles2720
    @dianemiles2720 Před rokem +2

    Also, she describes Celaena as vomiting at least 8 times. I swear she was puking in every chapter. If not throwing up she felt nauseous in between the upchucks. It became comical. I started actually laughing every time it happened again and again. Then SPOILERS*** in the final fight she is described nearly every other line as being nauseous so the whole time she's in the final duel I kept thinking, is the vomiting going to serve an important purpose? Will it all have been for this moment? But no, Celaena is just very sick to her stomach all the time I guess. She needs to get that checked out.

  • @minhosflame4ever
    @minhosflame4ever Před 3 lety +13

    As a person who often promotes this series, I promote each book knowing what I know about the WHOLE so that's the feedback I give and not what's in that book individually- honestly my bad. I just get so excited for it.
    Her first book is a bad take on who they are as people. They change drastically when all the trials, loss, and identity crisis' they all go through. Who you see in this book is not who they are at the end and you get to see that growth through series. You hate them here but could love them later.
    I admit her writing style in this specific book is not as developed as her more recent releases in the series. When my sister pushed this book on me I instantly didn't like it because of the same thing; I felt it was a love triangle romance and I only like that in my Korean Dramas. I do agree that the "romance" between them wasn't special, thats because it wasn't. The SERIES is action first, romance second. The first book was just the first layer of the onion. I've often heard people say they had to force themselves through the first two books but after that they were hooked. I honestly was SHOOK after Assassins' Blade.
    I felt the book also was a bit Dark with the Tyrant King, enslaved peoples, and even the plotting and betrayal in the Court (govt)". I believe Sarah was playing the Long Game and honestly it works out for her.
    I hope this bad first book didn't deter you from at least tryin to follow the series. And if you did I hope you fell in love with it. With the relationship and bonds theses characters forged. At the Loyalty and Bravery they have. I'm a Simp for my Queen.

  • @rolandart5670
    @rolandart5670 Před 5 lety +5

    Oh thank goodness, someone other than me despises this books very existence.

  • @Abby-km6vr
    @Abby-km6vr Před 6 lety +26

    Bless this video. Actual human words cannot describe how accurately you addressed all the points I found problematic in this book. Whether it be Celaena being irredeemably unlikable, or everyone claiming she’s the best assassin in the world while *never showing her being a good fighter*, your review perfectly summed up everything bad about Throne of Glass.

  • @scremmy_draws
    @scremmy_draws Před 4 lety +2

    I agree that Celaena is a Mary Sue! But the saving grace of this book, for me at least, was Chaol! I love the banter between him and Celaena, and I love his development and backstory! I hate that he gets screwed over constantly, because I genuinely love his character!

  • @ariana6006
    @ariana6006 Před 4 lety +3

    It took me 2 days to finish the book and I absolutely LOVED it. Best 2 days ever.

  • @ellalynch6457
    @ellalynch6457 Před 6 lety +54

    this is literally my favourite book ever

    • @orebanks8494
      @orebanks8494 Před 4 lety +7

      you got bad taste

    • @slowmoe1686
      @slowmoe1686 Před 4 lety +1

      But why

    • @Yumichan62
      @Yumichan62 Před 4 lety +13

      @@orebanks8494 Dude, everyone has different tastes. Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean its bad. Let her like what she wants. I didnt like the book either and had to give up after an hour trying to get into the story but I dont ruin it for people who liked it.

    • @orebanks8494
      @orebanks8494 Před 4 lety +1

      shyress when the book/author is problematic i think me saying something is fine...

    • @Yumichan62
      @Yumichan62 Před 4 lety +7

      @@orebanks8494 The problem is that what you said is totally stupid. You said to the person "You have bad taste". Cool, so you only insulted the person. As far as I know the author isnt problematic. There is some stuff in the books that is but so what? There are tons of books about stockholm syndrom and stuff like that. Problematic in real life but its a book. Just because I like a book with that stuff, doesnt mean that I will now go and try to do that stuff in real life. This person liked the book so let her be. Or maybe tell her why the book is problematic in your opinion. But that most likely wont change the enjoyment this person had while reading the book.

  • @almeidagsarah
    @almeidagsarah Před 3 lety +2

    Honestly, I only started liking the TOG series when I started Heir of fire. And I only got there because I’ve been hearing about how good it is for years and I’m stuborn so i persevered through the first 2 books

  • @littlebluebird9972
    @littlebluebird9972 Před 4 lety

    I do agree with your opinion on the first book, I also feel like it was more like a big introduction for the rest of the series. But everything you said you missed in the book, will be in the rest of the series. So I hope you will try an attempt on reading the other books and hope you will like them.

  • @megankarow2328
    @megankarow2328 Před 5 lety +3

    SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT

  • @neckofkwoods4261
    @neckofkwoods4261 Před 2 lety +3

    Ok, I LOVED tog when I read the first book. Thought it couldn't get any better than that. After having read the whole series, I wonder how I enjoyed the first book😂😂
    It was definitely as cliche as you say, but oh my word does it get sO MUCH BETTER. So many plot twists happen throughout the entirety of the series. The first is completely different from the rest. I'll be honest that I hated the second because it was transitioning from that first universe of Celaena's small perception of the current universe to a much more complex galaxy of emotions and characters. But once that transition is made, I couldn't stop reading. I devoured the books. Absolutely fantastic

  • @michalkatec.6841
    @michalkatec.6841 Před 6 lety +2

    Okay the first one definitely didn’t live up but the other books are amazing especially Queen of Shadows
    The love triangle actually doesn’t stay, she goes into more relationships and ends up with a final one because she’s
    Well read the rest of it

  • @andjelija1107
    @andjelija1107 Před 4 lety +2

    SPOT ON girl👌 hard agree on your view of Celaena as a character, although I do think the point was to make vanity her big, bad flaw, but still, despite knowing it, to me it felt as a forced and perfunctory attempt not to make her this perfect badass protagonist

  • @jills9758
    @jills9758 Před 5 lety +4

    I read it years ago and I think I liked it but having mostly gotten away from YA and taken creative writing classes, I see the issues with it now. For me, the main issue is that most of the characters need a lot of work, the main character in particular. As an aside, I'm also weirdly freaked out by the similarities between her new series coming out and a project I'm working on. -_-

  • @eligirl100
    @eligirl100 Před 6 lety +129

    Sarah J Maas does not know how to write action. When she does write it like in her future books, it's so hard to understand what is going on and you just wait for the battle to end. If you are interested in a better version of this book, read Poison Study

    • @jpm8769
      @jpm8769 Před 6 lety +6

      eligirl100 I don't agree with you but I'm gonna say that Poison Study is a good book.

    • @katrinagomez7730
      @katrinagomez7730 Před 6 lety +1

      eligirl100 Well, i'm 13 and I understand how Sarah writes. No offense, but I guess you're just not feeling it and not understanding some words in the book.

    • @i.147
      @i.147 Před 6 lety +50

      +Katrina Gomez There's a difference between not understanding the words and not being able to picture a scene because it's competly messy. And, honestly, Throne of Glass has a very basic vocabulary like 99% of YA books. It's not Lovecraft...
      The OP was clearly saying that the action scenes are badly written.

    • @smileymctrashbag
      @smileymctrashbag Před 6 lety +19

      Katrina Gomez Well, then it makes sense why you love a shitty book. When you get older and reread it, you'll get it.

    • @toothfairy8792
      @toothfairy8792 Před 6 lety +10

      Don't patronise someone, and be all high and mighty just because you think you're right, and because everyone who's older is supposedly so clever. "When you get older"... Everyone's opinion counts, and you can't say it doesn't because of age.

  • @FreakyGremlinDK
    @FreakyGremlinDK Před 4 lety +2

    I just finished reading all the books today. Considering this is the first book in a series of 8, it was decently written. Had it's great moments, but I agree, I was puzzled by the time skips where significant events were sort of quickly re-told.
    I loved Celaena's character. She is truly strong. Not the silly "Yay girl-power, come on ladies" strong, but strong because the rough teen life she lived, made her tough and she got the brutal scars, both physical and mental to prove it. Also, the fact that she was annoying and had bratty moments only made me like her more. She wasn't this flawless princess girl type, she had an attitude and personality.

  • @anilaschmidt28
    @anilaschmidt28 Před 4 lety +1

    I've read this entire series at least three times, the first book is an introduction to the characters. By the end of the book all the characters are so different and there is so much character growth

  • @ashe5854
    @ashe5854 Před 4 lety +14

    Have u finished the series? To me it was nice. And tbh, hate is a strong word.

    • @glouise9837
      @glouise9837 Před 2 lety

      I mean you shouldn't have to read a whole series to like it. Also hate is a fine word to use for a book. I'm glad you liked it though.

    • @ashe5854
      @ashe5854 Před 2 lety

      @@glouise9837 I've totally changed my opinion from back then, I was too young 😭😭😭

    • @glouise9837
      @glouise9837 Před 2 lety

      @@ashe5854 lmaooo honestly same tho

  • @briannasantiny1423
    @briannasantiny1423 Před 6 lety +46

    I read Throne of Glass in 2015 and thought it was great. However, as I continued to become more experienced and played into other genres and YA series, I realized ToG was much less mature. It was cliche, as I know now. Also, I recommend any of Leigh Bardugo’s books because the plot twists are everything, and the detail is so enthralling! Six of Crows was amazing and Crooked Kingdom completely took my breath away!

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 6 lety +5

      Six of Crows is on my tbr! I'm looking forward to reading it, I've heard nothing but good things :)

    • @dfpl2554
      @dfpl2554 Před 6 lety +4

      I literally finished Six Of Crows an hour ago. It was amazing! Definitely better than ToG!

    • @briannasantiny1423
      @briannasantiny1423 Před 6 lety +5

      df pl definitely! Leigh Bardugo is such a good author and her characters are so well-developed! The sequel is equally as good. I plan on reading the Grisha trilogy soon. I can’t wait for more of her works.

    • @briannasantiny1423
      @briannasantiny1423 Před 6 lety +3

      Jordan Harvey agh, i hope you post a review once you finish! Six of Crows definitely deserves some more attention!

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 6 lety +2

      Now I really need to read them. I'm on a bit of a book buying ban for the next couple of weeks because I've spent way too much money on them recently and I need to catch up on my tbr list, but once I read it, I'll definitely do a review :)

  • @shadowpanda3748
    @shadowpanda3748 Před 5 lety +1

    I understand where you’re coming from. I don’t agree with most of it, but I definitely see what you’re talking about. I suggest reading past the first book, especially to the third. It gets a lot better then, and you see some really cool qualities in Celaena, specifically her incredible ability to plan ahead. Often I was blind-sided, with Celeana using something to her advantage that was only mentioned once or twice to hide the scent. And the romance between her and another character ( I won’t mention names) is amazing, and I thought it was very unique.

  • @elizabethtrudgill9900
    @elizabethtrudgill9900 Před 6 lety

    I got the first book because I liked the art on the front cover and fell in love with these books.

  • @SilentTrip
    @SilentTrip Před 6 lety +258

    Wow look at these dislikes!!! I think the book is too overrated and so average. Don't get why it's so popular.

    • @JordanHarveybooks
      @JordanHarveybooks  Před 6 lety +19

      HEJ _91 me neither, but it seems a lot of people get heated when someone criticizes it!

    • @TuningAnApple
      @TuningAnApple Před 6 lety +1

      HEJ _91 I haven't really followed the series, the first book was okay. I think a lot of the mass support comes from people who supported her since her story was published on fiction press. I read a few chapters of the original and I really enjoyed the bits I've read. I think the book was better served as a single epic.

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 Před 6 lety +1

      HEJ _91 I like it because I adore fighting 😆 but yeah I know it has flaws because you know the main character loves reading (I love reading too) etc😅

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 Před 6 lety

      Jordan Harvey that's the internet for you😆

    • @Wordsmith00
      @Wordsmith00 Před 6 lety +12

      It's loved by teenagers who didn't read much in the genre probably. Anyway I hate it so much.. I can't believe I wasted my time reading all five books

  • @Lilac-and-Gooseberries
    @Lilac-and-Gooseberries Před 4 lety +3

    I recently finished reading the entire series and have to say the first two books (ToG & CoM) are definitely the weakest. I read the prequel first (Assassins Blade) which I really enjoyed. What I personally found most frustrating is theres a certain very important character in the prequel that is not mentioned at all in ToG. It’s very jarring, like he never existed. This is because S.J.M only wrote the prequel after book 3. Very sloppy imo, the first two books were written when she was 16, the rest after she was picked up by Bloomsbury. It shows a lot in the writing. I was still intrigued enough to continue after CoM though and was glad I did because it gets much better. While Celaena indeed seems very shallow and cocky initially you learn later a lot of it is a front. She’s actually really insecure and fails a lot.

  • @arcticflower7223
    @arcticflower7223 Před 3 lety +2

    No one seems to pronounce Celaena's name like I do! I just pronounce it how it's spelt...

  • @charlotte_n1235
    @charlotte_n1235 Před 4 lety

    I finished the whole series and I just loved it so much. But you have to read the whole series because it‘s getting much more exciting. Like I said, I loved it so much and now it is one of my favorite books

  • @brittanyrose6949
    @brittanyrose6949 Před 6 lety +12

    I love that you have a paperback copy. Ever since I started booktubing I’ve felt kind of pressured to have nice perfect hard backs but this reminded me that there’s nothing wrong with a paperback copy

  • @sarahs4240
    @sarahs4240 Před 3 lety +5

    Ah hey! If anyone’s reading this, I’d like to say that I respect your opinions about the book, but I personally loved it with all my heart of wildfire :)
    If you’ve read Throne of glass (the first book), you should only continue the series if you liked it. It really really is worth all the hype in my opinion because after reading finishing the second book, everything changes. It’s a wonderful story and I wouldn’t want anyone to miss out on it because they didn’t give it a fair chance! Ah I wish for more of SJM’s writing!

  • @avaniagashe845
    @avaniagashe845 Před 3 lety +2

    I too thought celena was too lame for an assassin like when she ate the chocolates from a bag that was just randomly lying around. I was kinda hoping that it would be poisoned but-...

    • @bellibooo
      @bellibooo Před 3 lety

      I was CERTAIN that it was going to be poisoned when I first read that! I thought that it was obvious because no self respecting assasin would start to eat the chocolates without making sure they weren't poisoned first. But Maas was only 16 when writing this so she's excused.

  • @sionnadehr3313
    @sionnadehr3313 Před 6 lety

    If I'm going to be honest, I would have recommended you have read the third book first. I had a hard time getting through the first two books, but when I read the third one I charged through it quickly