Surly Ice Cream Truck | Fat Bike Torture Test | Mammoth Gulch Colorado 11600ft
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- čas přidán 1. 08. 2020
- Fatbiking Mammoth Gulch Colorado on my Surly Ice Cream Truck. Riding my Surly Ice Cream Truck on very steep, rocky, technical terrain. High elevation above tree line, including a fast technical descent.
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Check out this video regarding the Surly ICT’s climbing ability:
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Bro you have to make more vids, but this one never gets old.. 2nd week with new ICT and l love the pace of this bike.. Not the fastest but not slow and eats up miles.. climbing is a joy with this bike, no problem with all that grip in a stout rigid frame.. Fat tires was pumped up max from the shop and l have not messed with them making the ride fast, still have plenty tire.. And has not loss any air so far, solid as a rock
Yeah I would definitely try experimenting with tire pressure, especially off road. I have much more bigger mountain rides on my agenda for this summer!
That was another fun adventure! Thanks for the video and happy to see you didn't get rained out!!
Hey thanks for stopping by! Trying to make the most of the good weather above tree line, doesn’t last long out here! Cheers!🤙🏻
We bought a couple bags of potato chips before heading into Yosemite, then by the time we got up to the Tioga Pass, the bags looked like they were about to explode. I bet fat bike tires pressure changes with altitude too.
Yes indeed, but only a bit. Nothing like the potato chips fortunately!!
Looks like a fun day out on the trails and super technical!
LifeWithVinceLuu for sure, definitely a work out! Thanks for stopping by!!
Well....you had me worried. I thought for sure you were nuts to not have gloves on...especially for the descent! But...whew! You put some on! 😃 Great ride! I’m OFFICIALLY picking up an ICT before the year ends and I cannot wait to see what color it’s gonna be! Love the channel!
Bruce R I ALWAYS wear gloves when I ride, but when I am filming it’s a hassle. I did put them on for the descent so I didn’t get blistered because it was an intense ride down. The ICT is a great bike, you will love it! Thanks for stopping by!!!
I’ve added this trail to my wish list. Thanks for the information.
Its a good one! I want to go back with better weather and see if I can get to the base of James Peak (the 13000ft mountain in the background). Thanks for watching!!
Glad you were realistic about the rigid fatbike not being the super comfy machine that many people imagine ( when descending rough/rocky terrain ) I myself was surprised how without a sus fork you still get shaken and jolted to pieces even with low pressure due to the lack of tyres having any rebound damping . Easy to feel completely out of control!
Yeah it won’t outperform a high quality bigger travel bike for sure, it does better when compared to a hard tail or maybe low travel XC full suspension bike descending. Even then it can be pretty rough. I will say it does out perform on the ups due to the better traction and stability at low speeds.
@@ElevationEveryWeekend thanks for replying ..I'm surprised to be honest ..I would have imagined most hardtails with even 100mm travel would be more controllable and comfy at speed on those rocky descents ...but I guess you should know ! It's the bouncing off everything I'm not keen on which ..when in rapid succession gets unnerving . I guess dropping the tyre pressures (as low as still allows steering and stability )can help to reduce the uncontrolled rebound . I always find it strange not many mention this about fatbikes and you hear quotes like " can steamroller through anything " but you never see a video of anyone doing it at speed on a rigid ! I've been riding allsorts of 2 wheelers for 55yrs but fairly new to these monsters and it's kind of love/hate at the moment . I really do love 29plus rigid with 3.25 tyres and tbh can do a lot on that with more control but less traction of course. Could you add a redshift suspension stem for a future review to see if it helps perhaps .....or if money allows even some fastflex bars ! A good sus fork would make all the difference on the ICT but kind of spoil the rigid simplicity IMHO.
Oh ..just remembered ..a guy in the UK did do a video that I said didn't exist ..He seems to do well ..if you're interested and have a few minutes czcams.com/video/yLAsqjHZb00/video.html Beautiful place you live in and thanks for the footage .
Bill in Devon UK
@@bill7853 I have considered adding a suspension fork, and maybe will some day, but for the most part I don’t think I need it. The trail in this video was about as rough as it gets, combined with being steep and long. It really was a torture test
Another great video. I have a Mukluk and a Felt DD30. Love them toooo much.
For a trip like what you just did i normally run about 3.5psi in the front and 5.5psi in the rear for 4.8 tyres. 3.5 in the front gives about 75mm of tyre compression. I can hit rough tracks fast with this pressure and the grip is mega. While 5.5 out the back is a good balance between speed and comfort. When money allows i will get a Mastodon fork. But running rigid bikes make one learn bike handling.
Yeah for sure having big volume tires gives a lot of options just with tire pressure, it does require a bit of trial and error once you’re in the conditions to see how it’s riding. A suspension fork is on my future list, but going to focus on some bikepacking with the ICT first. Thanks for watching!!
Oh man, i like the places you visit, the view is always spectacular.
Thanks for stopping by to watch!!
Nice trail over there, Relaxing at the top and flowy going down. New sub to ur channel ☝️
AL UYAMI thanks, much appreciated! Just checked out your channel too and left you a comment! 🤙🏻🤙🏻
@@ElevationEveryWeekend Thanks much 👍
Cannot wait for my new Ice Cream Truck... End of January 2024😁 l have a climb already planned👋
That is such a different part of the universe than the East Coast where we have lots of short steep climbs and descents. Here, it's all sorts of ups and downs rather than a giant climb with a giant descent.
That being said, we might have to do over 10k of climbing to attain 2k of elevation.
Yeah big mtn climbing and riding is one of my favorites! Down here in the front range corridor it is much more like the rolling up and down you describe out East. It’s a work out either way!
@@ElevationEveryWeekend It's more steep than rolling in the Appalachians and Cumberlands around here. The Barkley Marathon has over 50k feet of climbing. It's a tossup among the climbs, humidity, ticks and briars as to which is worse.
Very impressive. Mind blowing to a Houston fat biker that only sees 30-40 feet of elevation change!
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Much appreciated! The fatbikes actually do great on big climbs and descents, especially the rough terrain. Thanks for watching!!
Oh my gosh you are really moving on that rocky bumpy road. Those scenic views are just stunning. I was wondering what speed you were going !!! Great video i enjoy watching your videos they sure impress me. Till i see the next bike safely !!
Sherry Hospodar thanks for stopping by to check it out! Had lower air pressure and rough terrain so ripped out around 30mph on the descent.
@@ElevationEveryWeekend i sure love watching your adventures. You always provide the most scenic and stunning view most would never see in person.
Great video as always. I've got a 2016 ICT running tubeless. What PSI were you running in this video?
Honestly not sure. I need to get a good reliable gauge and start tracking it. Right now I start a little high and adjust down to the conditions. Thanks for watching!!
So cool to see these hogs rolling - nice vid!
Thanks for watching! Yeah this bike rolls over just about anything, super impressed with it in the roughest conditions.
Very good riding, i have a mongoose fat tire bike 14 speed,and a 4hp motorized engine on it. and it performs well. If i was doing what you are i would have to gear it for steap climbing, i can pedal in low gears also, but the extra weight of the engine you can feel when climbing. It is still fun though. God Bless you. Stay safe.
Thanks for watching, appreciate the kind words! Keep the rubber side down!
Looked like a lot of fun. What a great way to get in shape and have fun. How far is the total ride from and to your truck?
Total ride distance was about 14.5 miles and elevation gain was over 2700ft. It was a workout for sure! Hoping to get a few more above tree line excursions this fall before the snow flies! Thanks for watching!
Definitely thinking of getting an ICT. What pedals are those on the bike? Are they clip in or clipless? Do most people run clipless on fat bikes because of the need to wear snowboots in the winter?
I run Raceface Chester’s on my fat bikes. I do prefer flat pedals, especially in snow riding where I am wearing my warm boots. You can get boots for clipless pedals, but I prefer flats in the snow. I do ride clipped in on some of my other bikes. Thanks for watching!
Just out of curiosity, does the altitude affect the optimal level of air pressure in your tires? Another great vid. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks! It was a fun test for myself and the bike! The air pressure in the tire actually gets higher when going up, which seems counter intuitive. But for a ride like this it was not all that noticeable. Usually as you go up in this kind of elevation the air temperature drops quite a bit, which can help offset the altitude impacts.
Nice video you have Strava
Thanks! I have a Strava but it’s not public.
How does the fatty feel when you are going down the hill? Nice video!
Adrenaline ON Thanks! It feels a bit like a steam roller in that it just rolls over everything. Even with the big tires the rough stuff still comes thru the bars a bit, but overall highly capable and stable. Thanks for stopping by!
19:14 "feels better on thru axle". How so? Psychology feels better? Wider hub? Granted TA looks better than QR, but I have not seen any mechanically advantage.
All of the above actually. I was comparing the ICT to the Pugsley, and obviously much more factors than just thru axle makes it feel better in aggressive terrain, but I think it’s a part. And yes definitely more confidence inspiring on a long, steep, chunky descent like that. I don’t think that there’s any question mechanically speaking that thru axle design is superior to the QR, just as a matter of physics. Thanks for watching!
@@ElevationEveryWeekend I disagree that it has any benefit other than cosmetic pleasing and obsoleting a prior design, but not interested in counting contact points from the outer bearing race - I am more fat bike curious and want to know what are the ride differences between the ICT and the Wednesday?
@@bimmerbent the ICT is slightly slacker and has a wider rear spacing (197mm to 177mm for Wednesday). As a result it’s not as nimble and the Wednesday is a bit lighter. Hard to compare apples to apples because the ICT has much larger tires, so it has the benefits (and detriments) of that. I can recommend either bike, if you want Max tire type riding then definitely the ICT, if you’re leaning towards smaller tires then go for the Wednesday. They basically do all of the same things, but each slightly better than the other factoring tire size and riding preferences.
As for the QR vs Thru axle, you’ll have to debate that with the bike industry at an engineering level. 😂 Personally, I will always prefer the larger thru axle tube vs the QR rod, and having it thread directly into the frame vs operating on the clamping pressure of the QR.🤷🏻♂️
I'm about to buy a Surly and I'm torn between the Ice Cream Truck and Karate Monkey.
This will be my all year commuter/mountain bike.
Does the ICT have a significant difference in rolling resistance because of the fat tires on Non-Winter riding?
Basically, I'm just worried if the ICT would be too much bike for me.
Also the shop near me has them both with the Sram Eagle 1x12 drivetrain.
Jonathan DeLeon Guerrero I haven’t ridden the KM, but it would be a much more nimble bike for commuting, especially if pavement is involved. If you want to do some legit fatbiking in the snow, the ICT is ideal. Another option is to get the ICT, and get a 29+ wheelset for commuting. I gravel grind and dirt road ride the ICT with the stock aggressive tires all the time and it’s not bad set up tubeless, but definitely more rolling resistance then a KM. Thanks for stopping by!!
KM is one the best 'do everything' bikes in the industry. Also many used frames available
I want the ICT lol. Just a quick question can you install a bike sprocket guard ?
Robert Quagliano There are no ISCG tabs on the bottom bracket, however I think there are some bash guard options that can be adapted to the bottom bracket shell. I know there are chainset mount options too, but not really familiar with them. It’s a good question! Thanks for watching!
@@ElevationEveryWeekend thank you so much for the help. Have a nice weekend
@@ElevationEveryWeekend tried finding an ICT but all on back order do the 2020 model only have 1 color
Robert Quagliano yeah the bike industry is still trying to recover from supply chain delays, and huge demand as a result of the pandemic. Yes the only color for the 2020 bike was the Prickly Pear. Surly has told me that there will be a new color coming late fall/early winter. Not sure what it will be. They just released a new purple color on the Wednesday a couple weeks back
@@ElevationEveryWeekend thanks for info yeah I brought a fat tire from ibiky company. And I already snapped the chain broke the pedals and bent the axle and that was after 3 trail runs total . Waiting on parts but will use a backup . After i buy the ICT thanks for the info
Do you think a hard tail would’ve been more fun given the terrain?
Technically this bike is fully rigid, but if you mean something like a hard tail 29er, then I can say it would have been much less capable traction wise, and much more uncomfortable. I have used my 29er (with 120mm suspension up front) in this area before and I would not prefer it to the ICT for extreme terrain. I have run this same trail on my full suspension bike (120mm/110mm), and it was a little better on the descent at speed with the active suspension, but not as good on the climb and didn’t feel as stable. Thanks for stopping by and for watching!
@@ElevationEveryWeekend my 2017 Surly ECR was a great climber.. Rigid.. I can only imagine the Ice Cream truck and watching how you climb only motivates me.. I love steel rigid bikes and cannot wait for my ICT..
First item to change: The frame color. WTF? Strip that paint & give-it a camo or a mustard-lime.
Hellll no, the Prickly Pear is super cool! I have a black Pugs, and an OD green Pugs Ops in the stable, the ICT looks great as-is! It’s not for everyone though!
Does it have a good top end speed
Respectable, keeping in mind it is a heavier steel frame bike with large volume tires. The gearing is adequate for it, how I ride it at least.
All that talk about changing tire pressures and you never mention a single number.
I don’t mention them intentionally, because they are so variable. The PSI I run, in my specific tires, my body weight, my elevation, temperature and terrain is pretty much meaningless to you or anyone else unless the same conditions apply. It will even vary from ride to ride for me, so again not relevant to put a number on. It’s best to experiment for your own uses.
How do you feel The difference between mountain bike and fat bike? Is fat bike significantly heavier?
My Ice Cream Truck is pretty heavy, 35lbs setup tubeless. It weighs more than my MTB’s, but it’s so capable that I don’t really notice it much. My Salsa Beargrease is quite a bit lighter and more competitive with the MTB’s on weight, but still have some fatbike benefits too. I feel the trade-off of heavier weight but more capability and fun factor is almost always worth it. Thanks for watching!
@@ElevationEveryWeekend thanks for your informative answer, I have bought a fat bike online. Still waiting for it to arrive.
Mrb_Physics awesome, congrats! Enjoy it!!
Thanks from me, a friend from Malaysia 🙂
I came to the conclusion I need this bike. I looked around it looks like it’ll be hard to find. How did you came across yours? The Only place that has it available is this sketchy website Pristiwanicycles I don’t know if i want to risk it.
I bought mine in October 2019 so they were readily available then, bike supplies are tight right now though. If you can find, or order one from a reliable dealer then I highly recommend it not sure what Surly’s stock and availability look like now. Good luck! It’s a great bike! Thanks for stopping by!
Elevation Every Weekend perfect thank you! Looks like there’s one close by hopefully I’m not too late.