29 Plus vs 26 Fat | Comparing Tire Sizes On My Surly Ice Cream Truck | 29x3.0 vs 26x4.8
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- čas přidán 26. 07. 2024
- I’ve ridden plus and fat bikes for a few years now, but I’ve never done a back to back comparison of the two sizes. In this video, I take my Surly Ice Cream Truck up and down the same trail twice, once with 26x4.8” tires and next with 29x3.0” tires to see how they stack up.
Unfortunately it was getting dark on the 29+ ride so the video quality suffered toward the end of the ride, but hopefully you can still see how my ride compared on the same sections of trail on the two different tire sizes. - Sport
Kudos for getting that high on that trail! That's a super chunky trail! Interesting comparison. I don't know many people that like descending that type of trail. I personally like it. It's super challenging to hold your line, and I think it's pretty cool your going down a creek bed🤘 Cool video!
Just bought my first 29+ bike: Jones Plus LWB w/ Truss Fork (ALL my bikes are rigid and steel. Suspension is a waste of time.). Wouldn't trade it for the world. Most comfortable bike I've ever owned. These wheels roll over anything! And now that I've seen this movie, I think I'm going to take my old Surly Pugsley and turn it into a 29er, too. Why not?! Too much fun!
Awesome video my friend.
I ride 2 fat bikes.
On one ride I quite often change PSI‘s. This does mean I have to stop for a minute or two but I have no problem with that.
This is one of the joys of fat tires. Run them hard and they are pretty much as fast as any other tire, run them medium and they do everything okay. Run them soft and they can do things no other tire can and I love this versatility that no other tire can bring on one ride
Man I needed this video! just waiting for my Surly ICT to be sent to the shop. I got a spare wheelset of 29x3 to ride it in summer and commuting/touring as this ICT is going to replace my two current bikes. and this video confirms my theory that this frame is the right for the job. Thanks!!
What wheelset? Finding it hard to find one to fit the specs of the bike.
@@danielfournier4659 I have a set of WTB Kom tough 29 rims, with 2 sets of rubber a beefy 29x3 for touring and a skinnier 29×2'6 slicks for the city.
Each summer I'm out for a long tour, with my Bombtrack Beyond 2adv plus, 29x3, than I have a trailer (radicaldesign cyclone) and 3 bags.
I have to admit that a 4" or 4.8" in technical terrain is really nicer from what I see. But on mixed terrain, sometime road, gravel, grass etc... I'm very happy with the 29x3.
Excellent grip, comfort, and for long rides on asphalt I can put some air in the tires and (if the wind does not blow on my face) I can keep up 30kmh loaded like a mule for some extent.
I wanted to try larger, but the bombtrack beyond does not fit larger than 3",, than I'm afraid that for long rides it will really increase the pain.
Nice video
Super useful to see this, thanks
Very cool comparison. I recently had a suspension fork installed on my fat bike which has 26" tires and I sure enjoy the ability to basically ride anything as long as I can keep the wheels turning. You do notice the the weight of those big tires though, so i've been curious about a lighter summer wheelset. It's interesting to see a side by side comparison.
Cool video. Great comparison.
Thanks!
I'm gonna do a fat mullet😂 Fat Tire fork and wheel up front 29er in the back!
That trail looks a lot like Tiger Mountain east of Seattle! I remember riding a trail like that in that area once!
Great comparison and info. How would you compare the ride quality (comfort) b/w the two?
Big difference!
I love that the bike will take both sides.
Were the pressures are low as it would take on the 29+?
I do think a shorter rigid fork might allow better feels in certain situations.
Hi great video,i am new into fat bikes and got a used one with 26X4.8 tires on 100 mm rims,it's an e bike but those tires are just huge and way to heavy :) so i am looking for a "lighter" solution,stupid question..do 26X4.0 or smaller tires even fit on a 100 mm rim? and even better if i would change to smaller rims with those 29x3.0 would they fit in my actual bike frame without problems? sorry for all those questions but i can't find many informations about :)
my specialized rocksmoker has 29x2.35 plenty of grip and squish.
When you swap wheelset, do you install Monkey Nuts on the 29 wheel? If so, do you swap your chain too?
The greater wheel weight might actually help you get through such crazy terrain. The tire size itself will so most, obviously.
Try a fat combo.
4.8 jumbo jim on the rear, ultra fast and mega comfort, and try 27.5 x 3.8 Maxxis minion FBR up front with suspension.
It’s a very fast comfortable and aggressive set up.
On fast flowing tracks I keep up with very fast riders, and in very rough tracks especially up hill regular MTB’s struggle to keep up.
I have a question I'm looking to buy the Surly Knard 29 x 3.0 Inch MTB Tires but wondering is it going to fit on my roscoe 7 rims ? or do I have to buy a new set of rims ?
Obviously the video is alot smoother with the fat tires 😁
The image stabilization definitely struggled in low light!
Guys, help me pls. How to choose a fork for 29x3 wheels?
What’s the size difference between 29x3 vs 26x4.6 or something pretty wide like that?
Hi. What fork are you using with the 29x3's? I understand that the ICT has 1 1/8 straight headtube, and i presume that fork has a straight steerer.
The ICT has an oversized head tube with a cane creek headset that can run both a straight and tapered steerer tube with a specific crown race for each. I use a Rockshox Bluto for my 29+ set up so it’s a tapered steerer.
Exactly my conundrum right now... Do I get a Krampus or Ice Cream Truck? I live near Seattle and will use the bike for fun rides (I also have an Evil Following MB, so the Surly will be my casual bike), riding with my 6 year old daughter, grocery getter, light touring, and hunting, so I need to be able to load it down with gear. What hub did you run on the 29+ wheelset? Could I run a Boost hub with spacers on the ICT? Kind of leaning that way at the moment, especially with the new seafoam green color.
If you plan to do anything in snow or sand, there’s no replacement for a full fat tire. I’m running DT Swiss 350 hubs that are the 197x12 and 150x15 hub spacing of the ICT. Spacers tend to only work with small differences in hub spacing so using a boost wheelset wouldn’t work. I’d probably get the ICT if you have any need for full fat and then get a 29+ wheelset so you can ride it in all conditions. You could also look into the Wednesday if you’re looking for something a little cheaper and don’t need to run a 4.8-5.0” tire (it’ll clear a 4.6”).
Get the Ice Cream Truck, basically the same bike but with more options, well and the initial investment in the spare set of wheels, but once that's done you have two bikes for the space of one. Happy wife.
Oh my gosh this is just the video I was looking for THANK YOU SO MUCH!! I was thinking on buying this frameset and building 29x3 wheels as a solution for the massive issue with mud we've got here in the Basque Country but I was put off by the small clearance between the rear tire and the seat tube. I was wondering what your opinion is about it and whether you could tell me how many millimeters there are between the rear tire and the seat tube. THANK YOU AGAIN!! JUST SUBSCRIBED!
I just measured and and have anywhere from 12 to 19 mm of clearance in the rear depending on where you measure. It is set up single speed right now so it may have a little bigger clearance because it’s slid back a little in the drop outs, but I would guess it’s no more than 2-3mm back from normal. Glad you found this helpful and thanks for subscribing!
@@RideYearRound WOW I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH!!
Have u had experienced on Maxxis High Roller 3.0 if yes, did u used it front or rear or both. Maxxis 29er plus 3.0 have served me well, now Im starting to take trails with tight switchbacks Im considering the 27.5 x 3.0 and High Roller is my next target.
If not, any recommendations for a 27.5 x 3.0 tires thank you.
I haven't, although those seem to be a still widely available option in a 3.0. It's a more aggressive tire than I normally like in a plus tire.
hey how tall are you and wha size is the frame? great vid btw
I’m just under 5’11” but have long arms. In most brands I ride a large, but with Surly I ride a medium (in this case an 18”). Surly tends to have a tall standover on their bikes so I can’t size up.
So three years later what do you ride most often? I just got a ICT. My 29+ just sits gathering dust now. I'm having way more fun on 26 x 4.8 than I ever did on my 29 x 3. I run 6 psi tubeless vs 25 psi. No need for suspension. Comparing my strava routes I'm slightly slower on the climbs but faster on the downhills and about the same on the flats. The trails I ride are mostly technical with some fire roads.
I sold the ICT and found the 26x4.8 on 100mm rim was just too wide and heavy for what I needed. I run 29x3.0-3.25 for dirt seasons and 27.5x4.3 in the winter and occasionally on dirt.
Isnt the 26 fat tire essentially a 29 or close? Being the tire is so fat ? Like overall diameter?
Hi Please ignore my lack of knowledge. I am new in this sports. I purchased Surly Wednesday, great bike but want to run 29 inches tyres to use for bikepacking. Will 29 inch tyres go on the same 26 inch rims or do I need to change rims with wheel hubs ?
No worries! Yes, you’ll have to get a different set of wheels for the 29er set up.
Great Great video!!! Lifetime cyclist at 48, just getting into larger than 26 inch tire bikes. Absolutely loving my non suspension awd fat tire e bike and 2019 Trek Excaliber 8 (29er) with front suspension. Next purchase will be a full suspension awd e bike
The 29 8s real snappy in the rear when I get on it out of the saddle, do you get that snappy with 29 also?
Would be awesome if shops had these in to buy! Care to comment about an 29+ compared to a fat bike in the desert washes (dry river beds) which are essentially sand and gravel? Reckon an 29+ will float as well? How about energy needed to pedal an 29+ compared to fat bike (similar tires)? Many thanks.
I’ve ridden 29+ in desert washes quite a few times and it does much better than a normal tire, but it’ll never be as good in soft situations as a fat tire. If you’re riding mostly in soft sand, a 3.8-4.0” tire would probably be better, but a 29x3.0” would still do great if you ran a lower pressure and/or only part of your trail looked like that. 29+ definitely requires less energy to pedal in my experience due to lower rolling resistance and lighter weight.
@@RideYearRound Many thanks and great video for us shopping between 29+ or fat. I've got Maxxis DTH Tires on now (smooth BMX fast rollers) and they blow in sand but really move everywhere else, almost road bike speeds. My other tires, schwalbe Magic Mary, are hook up monsters in anything but are slower than all get out on the hard. Seems like were stuck! Good in sand or good in hard, pick where you want to push. Best.
If you go 29+, the Maxxis Chronicles are an awesome tire for the desert, they are pretty fast rolling and still have great traction in dry conditions.
@@RideYearRound That's probably the way I'll go - a Surley ECR. I bikepack out here in Nevada (cross the desert/camp/live off the bike) and the problem is we have to carry all our water to use for days at a time. There comes a point where you're so slow on a bike from the frictional forces that you really can't make it (not enough water) or have to pre-run it on a motorcycle and hide stashes of water/food along the way. I'm patient and would love a fat bike but concerned I'll be wasting money because it just takes too much energy to push to be a bikepacking bike, too slow. If you ever get the chance Nevada and especially Utah have awesome trails that go on for 100s of miles. Moab is good for day trips.
You should check out Foresty Forest here on CZcams. He does month long bikepacking tours on a fat bike and has ridden all over the US (including Nevada). But I love the ECR. If you want the best of both worlds go with a fat bike and get a 29+ wheelset for it.
I was thinking of doing the same thing with my ICT. What wheelset would you recommend?
I don’t know of any off the shelf wheelset available, but I had Mike at LaceMine29 build mine up. I went with KOM Tough i45s and DT Swiss 350 hubs and they’ve been solid. Any 40-45mm wide rim is a good width for 3.0s. I had 50s for awhile and it just always seemed to square the tire off a little too much.
Thanks for the info!
@@RideYearRound Bikesdirect seems to have a compatible wheelset but I can't vouch for it. Also entirely possible I'm missing something as I'm just figuring out how fat wheelsets work.
What tire pressure for both? looks like you are using too much air. I run my 27.5x3.0 at 10/12 psi (and have a front shock). I'm also just under 5" 11" and weigh about 155 lbs.
I typically run the 29x3.0 at 12/13 and 26x4.8 at around 8 front and rear, but it depends on what I’m riding. I weigh 235-240 though so I need the extra pressure or I’ll have a lot of rim strikes.
Can i change 26*4 with 29*3 without changing rims??
No they have different rim diameters and widths.
@@RideYearRound plz share psi for 26*4 for road …
@@RideYearRound thank u brother
What about 26 in front, 29+ in rear?
I have a video where I test out a 27.5 fat 29+ mullet set up both ways.
Could you fit a 29x2.8 tire on a ice cream truck??
Yep a 2.8 would fit fine. I would guess a 2.6 would be about as small as you'd want to go as that's pretty close to a 26x4.0'.
Should I get an ice cream truck for my only bike because of the sheer versatility of wheel sizes? I want to ride it year round as well as commute to work on it. How would you compare it to the krampus? Also I come from a background of riding DH and enduro bikes and want to get back into biking but make it less competitive and about having fun and being on long rides. which is why I’m here. However, I’m worried that i won’t be able to exactly shred on one of these bikes. What do you think?
@@thomasgunn5229 I think a fat bike is a really good one bike option if you live somewhere with snow (or just want to ride fat all year) and also want something for mountain biking since a second wheelset is cheaper and easier to store than another bike. I wouldn't say it's a great option if you're wanting to do some hardcore DH riding, but it'll do fine on black and some double black trails out there. If you're wanting to or need to ride fat tires, get an ICT. If you plan on just replacing the wheels for 29+ or 29er, then go with the Krampus.
27.5×3.8?
Really fun size. I’ve only run it on a 75mm inner diameter rim so it was a little stretched out but I’ve heard really good things about it on a 65mm rim. It’d probably be a good middle ground between plus and fat.
But u add suspension in this one so it will be more comfortable
Yeah I should’ve left the rigid fork on for a more even comparison, but if you watch the whole video you’ll see I was actually faster in the super chunky stuff (like the creek bed) on the fat wheelset than the 29+. Thanks for the feedback!
@@RideYearRound thanks yes i saw the video n i was amazed how fat tire were better in chunky section even with no fork n i think next time add little air n rebound on high setting may help
Will do! My fork was definitely not set up correctly for those conditions haha
Could you put 27.5 wheels on the ICT?
27.5 fat works, 27.5 plus would kind of work but be pretty small in diameter and may bring the bike down too low.
I'm going with; one is "Fat", and the other is just "Big Boned"?
Esmas estable la fat bike
There is a used carbon fiber fat tire bike with no suspension and dope parts on it for $1k here right now, I wanna buy it so bad