The Time Vault erratas are so funny because every single time WotC thought they were done someone broke the format again and the cycle continued. You could make a whole video just about them history.
@@cyphern Oh that's right! They made it a 0-cost activated ability to untap for a little bit, didn't they! So you could skip infinite turns to deal infinite damage! Lmao
I don't think there is a "fixed" version of Will tbh. Any version you print will either end up on the side of "this doesn't cost enough/doesn't restrict the type of cards you get back enough" or "this costs too much/is too restrictive". I used to play a lot of online vintage and even just as a one-of Will was just gamebreaking. The only times I ever resolved Will and lost both involved Spoils of the Vault killing me with some absolutely laughable RNG.
There's a second one that was released with March of the Machine in the form of Wrenn and Realmbreaker whose Ultimate Ability is Yaugmoth's Will on Steroids since, when it activates, you get it's effect permantently since it's an Emblem. And it's not too dificult to get into it fast because of the Proliferate Cards that were released
Past in Flames is pretty much a fixed Yawgmoth's Will. It costs 3R and only lets you recur instants and sorceries, so you don't get Lotus Petal and such, but it's used exactly the same way Will was.
Although I like the informative aspects, by far my favorite part of this channel is hearing how he decides to pronounce all these cards names. Ne-Crop-Otence takes me out every time.
A few I disagree with but the biggest is Time Vault. It could never be unbanned in Legacy. Just consider this: both Vault and Tinker are restricted in Vintage giving you essentially two copies. In Legacy you would have four copies of Vault. Decks like Painter or Helm are already real decks and Vault Key is significantly stronger than either. The other thing about the combo is how low the opportunity cost is. You can easily slot it into non-dedicated decks with just two or three cards. Basically anything playing Urza's Saga just needs to add a Manifold Key and 1-2 Time Vaults and they have an instant win combo.
Yeah, Time Vault is way more powerful than any A+B combo currently legal. It's colorless, so can be played with any colors. Potential decks it can fit into are fast combo versions replacing painter/grindstone in the current painter's servant shell with goblin engineer, control decks/prison decks that play it as an "Oops, I win" or even something like 8-cast that already plays Urzas Saga and Emry and can easiliy swap to a beatdown plan if the combo is stopped.
@@Dracapane isnt that more a sign of urzas saga being a dumb card? when any artifact deck, regardless of gameplan, can just easily switch into beatdown mode with ONE card. which is a land. and an artifact. Which makes it so easy to search it might as well just start in hand.
@@ich3730 Saga is an enchantment not an artifact so unless you're playing something like Enlightened Tutor you're not searching for it. Anyways, Saga is strong but not busted in the current format. As a generic enabler there's definitely a chance that it eats a ban at some point but in a world where Vault is unbanned Saga HAS to be banned and Vault is almost certainly still too good. It's still basically a better Painter combo. It still slots into basically any deck that wants it for low cost even if you need to add an extra Key. Vault Key has been central to the Vintage metagame since long before Saga came out and like I said I don't think the lack of Tinker would prevent it from warping the Legacy metagame.
I have a Time Vault in my Unpowered/Proxy Oath Deck. Putting 4 of those things in a deck is literally the dumbest idea I've ever heard. You really want to give a Storm deck or control deck access to a 2 card 4 colorless mana win condition? Also, they are already $1000+, unbanned they would be more expensive then anything but a Lotus.
Oath of druids biggest problem is that it's a 1 card combo and has the side effect of making aggro decks basically unplayable. It should never be unbanned. There's even redundancy in finding it because enlightened tutor is legacy legal. It would warp the format around itself if unbanned and wouldn't really add anything of value to the format. Oath in vintage has been viable at some times and just bad at others, but vintage is a way different format because of the existence of power 9 there and other powerful combo's have always been available with yawg's will and vault key after it got it's powerlevel errata removed. Oath only gets better creature selection over time too like it was too good in 2003 and creatures back then it could get were pretty bad. Now we have stuff like griselbrand to get with it. Time vault couldn't be unbanned if it costed a dollar in legacy because you would be playing with 4 copies compared to the 1 copy in vintage. Cantrips make 4 copies enough and we still have enlightened tutor if we really want to tutor for vault or key. It's far too easy to get the combo off compared to any legacy combo currently available considering urza's saga can tutor for key too.
I disagree with your assertion on oath, for a couple of reasons. Pre-MH2 Vintage, we were seeing oath decks kicking around as a t2 strategy, but white eldrazi and shops have operated with little to no issue in that meta. Nowadays, we’ve seen aggro return to vintage with ragavan, hullbreacher, etc., and Oath has been a non-issue. Legacy isn’t shoehorned into playing blue nearly as much, and the aggro strategies aren’t limited to busted sol lands, so decks are able to play green sun’s zenith to get things like knight of autumn, and white creatures like the new loran of the third path, with much less downside than vintage can. In short, it would require sideboard slots for sure, but dealing with a resolved oath isn’t nearly as tough for aggro as you might think.
@@Insanonaga Comparing Legacy to Vintage with Oath is just a bad idea. T1 interaction is SO MUCH MORE COMMON in Legacy, and that is basically Oath's big weakness. Mulling into Force is VERY common in Vintage. On top of that, we just have stuff that's pretty much just as busted legal in Vintage. Vintage Doomsday is a one card combo. In Legacy, you could easily run several types of Oath deck and at least the two I could think of would be Griselbrand, ie you have some kind of combo skeleton and Oath just gets Griselbrand and then you kill them using the cards you draw. Or, you could play something like UWG Oath, so you could run tutors and then just a huge blue skeleton of interaction and cantrips. Either would be way too consistent, fast, and interactive for Legacy.
@@danlorett2184 With 4 LEDs, maybe salvangers would be the best way to break oath. That is vulnerable to GY hate though. But oath is easily too strong either way.
Regarding time vault, an interesting comparison to make is painter. It's also a 2 card combo that cost 3 to play 1 to activate, and half of it can be tutored with saga. In a pure vacuum, painter stone is a faster win than vault key. Just something I found interesting to think about
I’d love a video on a quick history of the Reserved Card list. It’s wild to me that Wizards isn’t allowed to reprint cards they own the rights to even if they want to
The one thing about Yawgmoth's Bargain that wasn't covered is the other, and perhaps bigger difference between it and Ad Nauseam: Ad Nauseam is bad in multiples; since it punishes you for running high mana cost cards. Most storm decks only ever play one copy of Ad Nauseam. Unbanned Bargain would probably create a deck running 3 or 4 for redundancy, as well as facilitate the use of good cards with mana costs that make Ad Nauseam players squeamish. The best example being Dark Petition, a 5 mana tutor that is functionally a 2 mana tutor once it resolves if you have 2 instants or sorceries in the yard which is pretty much always. Echo of Eons is another card that may be included in multiples in this theoretical deck as well.
I thought about Bargain a lot and i agree that its not banworthy anymore. Your Point about beeing able to play it multiple times is true but its not worth much. AdN is cheaper, Griseldaddy is easier to cheap out. Storm has a lot of other pretty good toys today (Echo of Eons). Would love to see it unbanned. Better have good old cards instead of horizons and commander rapeing the format + fuck yeah lets get shat on by cool Gandalf cards soon.
4:48 Academy Rector is not pronounced like Reactor, but like Rectitude or the Re of Reprisal and the ctor of Hector. This video is attacting a lot such comments. I love your videos.
thats because these videos are basically shovelware. He is just reading a pre-written script while the edits play in the background. People expect atleast a minimum of quality control with this low effort content :D Doesnt take long to google how to pronounce "Necropotence" or "rector".
@@ich3730 I don't mind. It's good shovelware. And sometimes manages to be great content. The problem is that this one was particularly shoddy. Right around there he said Exiled and the text said Banished :/
While he does mispronounce a lot of stuff, I actually wouldn't be surprised if the way he pronounced Necropotence was the correct way. Same way you'd pronounce necropolis. But then English also tends to change the pronunciation when adopting Greek loan words, like Cerberus versus Kerberos. Not to mention English is pretty inconsistent on pronunciation in general, being more based more on trends at the time the word was introduced into the language, rather than the origin of the word.
@@fwg1994 I mean he has mispronounced other cards in other videos. You might be right tho about necropotence. We can agree that it’s a different pronunciation from the norm.
Wondering if the Initiative Commander cards will one day be on these lists. Also wondering if there are enough Commander cards that see play in Legacy and Vintage to even make a top 10 video.
Great video, look forward to more. I would love to see some videos on Limited formats. There are new and old formats that are really interesting to talk about.
@@RotatingMagnetGuy Just because they have similar roots doesn't mean they're pronounced the same. Necropolis is also pronounced ne-crop-o-lis and not ne-cro-pol-is. Omnipotence is pronounced om-nip-o-tense, but omnipresent is om-ni-pres-ent. English is pretty fast and loose about spelling and pronunciation. Again, just because they have similar roots doesn't mean they have similar pronunciations.
When evaluating whether a card could be unbanned in Legacy, Vintage is not a good comparison. Especially when that card is Restricted in Vintage. Even if Vintage might be able to handle that card as a Restricted card, unbanning it in Legacy means that every deck could potentially play 4 copies. 4 Time Vaults in a deck would be bad for the format, as with 4 copies you have a much higher chance of naturally drawing one. Which means you either save deck space for tutors or just increase the consistency of finding a way to combo it. This being on top of the Reserve List issue that would just be exacerbated by letting every deck an entire format use up to 4 copies on top of the single copy legal in Vintage decks.
"4 Time Vaults in a deck would be bad for the format" As the owner of a Time Vault in my Vintage Oath deck who doesn't play MtG anymore? Unban it, watch the format burn to the ground, and sell my copy for $10,000+ before it gets emergency rebanned in a day. It's literally one of the dumbest ideas possible. I love how he's like "Oh, Oath and Vault might be ok to unban." Do you want to see Gris hit the board turn two with 4x Vault Key set ups, mana accelerants, and Forces just chilling?
Your actually prounocing an O as an A's sound ah.. in neCROP ah tense.. So it is definitlvey wrong prouncing that was actually! : ) love this and duel logs been watching for over 2 years!
print time vault at 4 mana but give it shroud and the card is perfectly fine? Opponents cant blow it up but you cant untap it for cheap so you can only use it if its actually skipping turns?
Seems wizard really has trouble balancing black cards, as they keep showing up on these ban lists. Maybe it starts with understanding that life as a resource probably isnt enough of a tax
So, the suggestion to make Necro unbanned is to make it cost 5. The next card is Yawg's Bargain, and it's banned, costs twice as much without the Necro limitations, and somehow is alright? Ad Nauseum only is played in Storm-style decks, which is a dwindling part of the format.
They can never unban time vault in legacy now that smelting vat has been unleashed unto this world. Vintage has it limited to one and its probably not long before smelting vat feels the same fate
Time vault simply needs the text: “Time Vault can only be untapped by its own effect”. It’s more of a YGO clause but it would probably cheese-proof the card. Also the reserved list is kinda weird and seems like a mistake in retrospect. It makes the power formats way less playable for people not willing to build an expensive deck. A lot of other TCGs have this problem, but not to this big of a degree. Reprints are nothing but good for a card game if you don’t treat it like an investment bank.
Or just add an ability to it like "Time Vault can't be the target of spells or abilities you control" - that prolly would be more in line with something we could see on a MTG card today, while still preventing you from using other stuff to untap Time Vault (unless there's some repeatable global untap effect for artifacts, like Wild Reclamation for lands, that I'm not remembering right now)
A lot of legacy's banlist is due to the good fast mana breaking the rules of the game on a fundamental level. Cards like dark ritual will soon make the legacy banlist have more banned modern legal cards than the modern banlist. There are also the cards that are banned because brainstorm like dreadhorde arcanist and ragavan.
I JUST THOUGHT OF A WAY TO BALANCE TIME VAULT, just add "this effect can't be activated during an extra turn or if you would take an extra turn after this turn" or some way where it's worded better. EDIT: like a helpful person said to me (in the reply thread of this comment) another way is to add the text "this card can only untap by it's own effect." to time vault.
@@dillydragonthetroll4119 thanks. I thought of it the moment he explained how they would abuse it. Honestly I'm kinda surprised they didn't just do that instead of the counter idea. It stops it from being abused like that while not changing the card at all from it's intended use
@@jacthing1 yeah it is surprising, why i think why they didn't do this is because of either just not thinking of it or they just gave up on erattas for it
No way Oath could be unbanned. There's WAY too many ways to play it turn one and be ready to drop your GG threat in t2 upkeep. It basically forces you to have a counter. Reanimator is a bit slower and less consistent... but Reanimator would actually be strong except it gets SHIT on by GY hate, and there's a TON of really good GY hate in the format. Oath is way too good and you barely have to play any cards for it. You could literally play 2-3 color oath and run a TON of disruption/cantrips on top of a very consistently and fast combo. It'd be way too busted for Legacy IMO, and you'd have to run some pretty specific hate for it too. Edit: The Doomsday comparison is a bit puzzling too because Vintage Doomsday can play 4x Gush and Legacy can play... none. No Gush makes your Thassa's win condition way slower. Edit2: Time Vault can't be unbanned in Legacy without banning Urza's Saga. Saga is the cooler card for the meta anyways.
There's an easy way to fix Time Vault: just give it Shroud. If you can't target it, you can't use cards like Voltaic Key for easy infinite turns. You can still get cheap extra turns with cards like Dramatic Reversal untapping Time Vault without targetting it, and still go infinite with cards like Sands of Time, but those cards can't be part of an Urza's Saga package like the Keys, and they don't have the same utility with other artifacts you could play along like Retrofitter Foundry, Currency Converter, or Smelting Vat.
At one point it was errata'd to have "Skip your next turn: Untap Time Vault." This was fine until there was a card that gave all permanents you control "Tap: Deal 1 damage." I think you can see the problem with that. The errata didn't last long.
just noting if noone has yeat playing oath in legacy even without creatures nowdays would be too good because oath putting the cards in yo GY and we all know what that means. whole deck as tool box in gy and thassas oracle wins with living wish with milion counterspels and or silence effects
The more I listen to you, the more apparent it becomes that you really haven't played the game long. Most of what you say is either only half the story or has glaring errors in it. I would recommend that you have someone read over everything first that has been playing for a long time. And help you pronounce things properly too. I got a twitch in my eye over "academy reactor".
He said in another video that Dredge was a triggered ability. While pronunciation isn't a big deal at the end of the day, not understanding the difference between replacement effects & triggered abilities is.
Thank you for being the literal only other person who pronounced “Necropotence” correctly. So tired of hearing it incorrect pronounced “necro-potence”.
The Time Vault erratas are so funny because every single time WotC thought they were done someone broke the format again and the cycle continued. You could make a whole video just about them history.
i would absolutely watch this
I miss the days where Time Vault and Flame Fusillade were a combo
So Time Vault is the Imperial Order of MTG
@@cyphern Oh that's right! They made it a 0-cost activated ability to untap for a little bit, didn't they! So you could skip infinite turns to deal infinite damage! Lmao
your ability to always say the cards name as wrong as possible is godlike.
Its like half the reason I watch these. The pokemon tcg has it the wildest
You just made me laugh the hardest I've done today.
I think it’s funnier because they managed to say Asmoranomardicadyatinaculdicar correctly in contrast
Fucking swear man. He's gotta be doing it on purpose.
Some youtubers just have that super power
About Yawgmoth's Will: there is already a fixed version, Gaea's Will, but might be too weak
Has Shinji seen this?
I don't think there is a "fixed" version of Will tbh. Any version you print will either end up on the side of "this doesn't cost enough/doesn't restrict the type of cards you get back enough" or "this costs too much/is too restrictive". I used to play a lot of online vintage and even just as a one-of Will was just gamebreaking. The only times I ever resolved Will and lost both involved Spoils of the Vault killing me with some absolutely laughable RNG.
There's a second one that was released with March of the Machine in the form of Wrenn and Realmbreaker whose Ultimate Ability is Yaugmoth's Will on Steroids since, when it activates, you get it's effect permantently since it's an Emblem. And it's not too dificult to get into it fast because of the Proliferate Cards that were released
Beseech the Mirror would like a word lol
Past in Flames is pretty much a fixed Yawgmoth's Will. It costs 3R and only lets you recur instants and sorceries, so you don't get Lotus Petal and such, but it's used exactly the same way Will was.
Past in flames is pretty broken as well tbh
Although I like the informative aspects, by far my favorite part of this channel is hearing how he decides to pronounce all these cards names. Ne-Crop-Otence takes me out every time.
Can't wait for Crowpe Rotahtion
@@MenwithHill I will admit, I pronounce crops like that, but that's an accent thing
I pronounce necropotence the same way tbh
I pronounce it like this on purpose because it annoys my playgroup
Well given how "necropolis" is pronounced I'd argue he's actually right
A few I disagree with but the biggest is Time Vault. It could never be unbanned in Legacy. Just consider this: both Vault and Tinker are restricted in Vintage giving you essentially two copies. In Legacy you would have four copies of Vault. Decks like Painter or Helm are already real decks and Vault Key is significantly stronger than either.
The other thing about the combo is how low the opportunity cost is. You can easily slot it into non-dedicated decks with just two or three cards. Basically anything playing Urza's Saga just needs to add a Manifold Key and 1-2 Time Vaults and they have an instant win combo.
Yeah, Time Vault is way more powerful than any A+B combo currently legal. It's colorless, so can be played with any colors. Potential decks it can fit into are fast combo versions replacing painter/grindstone in the current painter's servant shell with goblin engineer, control decks/prison decks that play it as an "Oops, I win" or even something like 8-cast that already plays Urzas Saga and Emry and can easiliy swap to a beatdown plan if the combo is stopped.
@@Dracapane isnt that more a sign of urzas saga being a dumb card? when any artifact deck, regardless of gameplan, can just easily switch into beatdown mode with ONE card. which is a land. and an artifact. Which makes it so easy to search it might as well just start in hand.
@@ich3730 Saga is an enchantment not an artifact so unless you're playing something like Enlightened Tutor you're not searching for it. Anyways, Saga is strong but not busted in the current format. As a generic enabler there's definitely a chance that it eats a ban at some point but in a world where Vault is unbanned Saga HAS to be banned and Vault is almost certainly still too good. It's still basically a better Painter combo. It still slots into basically any deck that wants it for low cost even if you need to add an extra Key. Vault Key has been central to the Vintage metagame since long before Saga came out and like I said I don't think the lack of Tinker would prevent it from warping the Legacy metagame.
I have a Time Vault in my Unpowered/Proxy Oath Deck. Putting 4 of those things in a deck is literally the dumbest idea I've ever heard. You really want to give a Storm deck or control deck access to a 2 card 4 colorless mana win condition? Also, they are already $1000+, unbanned they would be more expensive then anything but a Lotus.
Oath of druids biggest problem is that it's a 1 card combo and has the side effect of making aggro decks basically unplayable. It should never be unbanned. There's even redundancy in finding it because enlightened tutor is legacy legal. It would warp the format around itself if unbanned and wouldn't really add anything of value to the format. Oath in vintage has been viable at some times and just bad at others, but vintage is a way different format because of the existence of power 9 there and other powerful combo's have always been available with yawg's will and vault key after it got it's powerlevel errata removed. Oath only gets better creature selection over time too like it was too good in 2003 and creatures back then it could get were pretty bad. Now we have stuff like griselbrand to get with it.
Time vault couldn't be unbanned if it costed a dollar in legacy because you would be playing with 4 copies compared to the 1 copy in vintage. Cantrips make 4 copies enough and we still have enlightened tutor if we really want to tutor for vault or key. It's far too easy to get the combo off compared to any legacy combo currently available considering urza's saga can tutor for key too.
Agreed, even for legacy 2 mana win you the game is too much
I disagree with your assertion on oath, for a couple of reasons.
Pre-MH2 Vintage, we were seeing oath decks kicking around as a t2 strategy, but white eldrazi and shops have operated with little to no issue in that meta. Nowadays, we’ve seen aggro return to vintage with ragavan, hullbreacher, etc., and Oath has been a non-issue. Legacy isn’t shoehorned into playing blue nearly as much, and the aggro strategies aren’t limited to busted sol lands, so decks are able to play green sun’s zenith to get things like knight of autumn, and white creatures like the new loran of the third path, with much less downside than vintage can. In short, it would require sideboard slots for sure, but dealing with a resolved oath isn’t nearly as tough for aggro as you might think.
@@Insanonaga Comparing Legacy to Vintage with Oath is just a bad idea. T1 interaction is SO MUCH MORE COMMON in Legacy, and that is basically Oath's big weakness. Mulling into Force is VERY common in Vintage.
On top of that, we just have stuff that's pretty much just as busted legal in Vintage. Vintage Doomsday is a one card combo.
In Legacy, you could easily run several types of Oath deck and at least the two I could think of would be Griselbrand, ie you have some kind of combo skeleton and Oath just gets Griselbrand and then you kill them using the cards you draw. Or, you could play something like UWG Oath, so you could run tutors and then just a huge blue skeleton of interaction and cantrips. Either would be way too consistent, fast, and interactive for Legacy.
@@danlorett2184 With 4 LEDs, maybe salvangers would be the best way to break oath. That is vulnerable to GY hate though. But oath is easily too strong either way.
Regarding time vault, an interesting comparison to make is painter. It's also a 2 card combo that cost 3 to play 1 to activate, and half of it can be tutored with saga. In a pure vacuum, painter stone is a faster win than vault key. Just something I found interesting to think about
I’d love a video on a quick history of the Reserved Card list. It’s wild to me that Wizards isn’t allowed to reprint cards they own the rights to even if they want to
The Reserved List has no reason to exist, all it does is make cards less accessible. Thankfully if you're playing for fun you can use proxies
Seeing as how WotC just shat on the OGL, I don't understand why they're still too scared to undo the reserved list
The one thing about Yawgmoth's Bargain that wasn't covered is the other, and perhaps bigger difference between it and Ad Nauseam: Ad Nauseam is bad in multiples; since it punishes you for running high mana cost cards. Most storm decks only ever play one copy of Ad Nauseam. Unbanned Bargain would probably create a deck running 3 or 4 for redundancy, as well as facilitate the use of good cards with mana costs that make Ad Nauseam players squeamish. The best example being Dark Petition, a 5 mana tutor that is functionally a 2 mana tutor once it resolves if you have 2 instants or sorceries in the yard which is pretty much always. Echo of Eons is another card that may be included in multiples in this theoretical deck as well.
I thought about Bargain a lot and i agree that its not banworthy anymore. Your Point about beeing able to play it multiple times is true but its not worth much. AdN is cheaper, Griseldaddy is easier to cheap out. Storm has a lot of other pretty good toys today (Echo of Eons). Would love to see it unbanned. Better have good old cards instead of horizons and commander rapeing the format + fuck yeah lets get shat on by cool Gandalf cards soon.
4:48 Academy Rector is not pronounced like Reactor, but like Rectitude or the Re of Reprisal and the ctor of Hector. This video is attacting a lot such comments. I love your videos.
thats because these videos are basically shovelware. He is just reading a pre-written script while the edits play in the background. People expect atleast a minimum of quality control with this low effort content :D Doesnt take long to google how to pronounce "Necropotence" or "rector".
He also said "Yawgboth's Margain" right after that
@@ich3730 I don't mind. It's good shovelware. And sometimes manages to be great content. The problem is that this one was particularly shoddy. Right around there he said Exiled and the text said Banished :/
I'm fascinated at the way you pronounce nearly every card differently than the "normal" way
WhenI first saw necropotence I pronounced it the same way
I love the creative syllable interactions in these videos.
First time I've ever heard "Necropotence" pronounced that way 😅
You can tell people who didn t learn phonics lol
@@skillganon606 more like you can tell who's never played with or against the card.
“Omnipotence” is a real word with the same kind of syllabification. I don’t blame them.
Hate to break it to everyone in the comments here but he pronounced Necropotence correctly lol
Necro-potence. Keep going bro your videos are great. You mispronounce stuff here n there but that’s to be expected since you’re newer.
He's stated he googles vids to learn the pronunciation. I wouldn't be surprised if the algorithm is taking him to SaffronOlive videos
It's a feature, for a long time he pronounced Halqifibrax (a meta Yu-Gi-Oh monster) as hal-kwee-feh-brax
@@ChromeBirb I got into trying YGO because of his top10s. I refuse to not follow his Halq pronunciation
While he does mispronounce a lot of stuff, I actually wouldn't be surprised if the way he pronounced Necropotence was the correct way. Same way you'd pronounce necropolis. But then English also tends to change the pronunciation when adopting Greek loan words, like Cerberus versus Kerberos. Not to mention English is pretty inconsistent on pronunciation in general, being more based more on trends at the time the word was introduced into the language, rather than the origin of the word.
@@fwg1994 I mean he has mispronounced other cards in other videos. You might be right tho about necropotence. We can agree that it’s a different pronunciation from the norm.
Wondering if the Initiative Commander cards will one day be on these lists. Also wondering if there are enough Commander cards that see play in Legacy and Vintage to even make a top 10 video.
"Wizards dislikes power level errata."
Alchemy: Hold my Bears.
Great video, look forward to more.
I would love to see some videos on Limited formats. There are new and old formats that are really interesting to talk about.
Why did it take until 08 to ban time vault? Voltaic key was already 10 years old by then.
(4:45) So, when Academy *_Reactor_* dies, it allows your new enchantment to go nuclear on the board? :P
I'm mostly curious about your thoughts on Memory Jar. Always been a fascinating card to me.
5:00 Yawgboth's Margain
Still better than Yawgmoth's Bargain Bin
Make a video on Time Vault's history of errata fuckery. It's an interesting tale.
I love how you are like the only content creator to say "necropotence" properly. (Think "necromancy" and "omnipotence" combined)
But he doesn't say nec-ro-po-tence. He says ne-crop-o-tence. So unless you say necromancer like a crazy person he's saying it wrong
@@RotatingMagnetGuy Just because they have similar roots doesn't mean they're pronounced the same. Necropolis is also pronounced ne-crop-o-lis and not ne-cro-pol-is. Omnipotence is pronounced om-nip-o-tense, but omnipresent is om-ni-pres-ent.
English is pretty fast and loose about spelling and pronunciation. Again, just because they have similar roots doesn't mean they have similar pronunciations.
When evaluating whether a card could be unbanned in Legacy, Vintage is not a good comparison. Especially when that card is Restricted in Vintage.
Even if Vintage might be able to handle that card as a Restricted card, unbanning it in Legacy means that every deck could potentially play 4 copies. 4 Time Vaults in a deck would be bad for the format, as with 4 copies you have a much higher chance of naturally drawing one. Which means you either save deck space for tutors or just increase the consistency of finding a way to combo it. This being on top of the Reserve List issue that would just be exacerbated by letting every deck an entire format use up to 4 copies on top of the single copy legal in Vintage decks.
"4 Time Vaults in a deck would be bad for the format" As the owner of a Time Vault in my Vintage Oath deck who doesn't play MtG anymore? Unban it, watch the format burn to the ground, and sell my copy for $10,000+ before it gets emergency rebanned in a day. It's literally one of the dumbest ideas possible. I love how he's like "Oh, Oath and Vault might be ok to unban." Do you want to see Gris hit the board turn two with 4x Vault Key set ups, mana accelerants, and Forces just chilling?
@@alexherrington1724 you can unban oath easy vault should stay banned forever
"You could be playing Flying Men and it would be enough to close the game for you"
The delivery of it cracks me up
Why not give time vault Shroud? Wouldn’t that mean you can’t target it yourself so you can’t untap it in any conventional means?
Could be, but MTG doesn't do erratas.
@@williamdrum9899 bruh this entire video is ways to fix cards why are you even here?
@@ryanbolson23 You make a good point. I think that would fix it but then again Unwinding Clock exists
Your actually prounocing an O as an A's sound ah.. in neCROP ah tense..
So it is definitlvey wrong prouncing that was actually!
: ) love this and duel logs been watching for over 2 years!
Give time vault shroud or an "exile time vault" at the end of the effect would probably make it
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
A good way to fix time vault would be just give it shroud so it cant be targeted by key imo
print time vault at 4 mana but give it shroud and the card is perfectly fine? Opponents cant blow it up but you cant untap it for cheap so you can only use it if its actually skipping turns?
Seems wizard really has trouble balancing black cards, as they keep showing up on these ban lists. Maybe it starts with understanding that life as a resource probably isnt enough of a tax
So, the suggestion to make Necro unbanned is to make it cost 5. The next card is Yawg's Bargain, and it's banned, costs twice as much without the Necro limitations, and somehow is alright?
Ad Nauseum only is played in Storm-style decks, which is a dwindling part of the format.
Necròpotence OMEGALUL
They can never unban time vault in legacy now that smelting vat has been unleashed unto this world. Vintage has it limited to one and its probably not long before smelting vat feels the same fate
Isn't Bargain younger than Necropotence?
Ice Age and Urza's Block if I remember correctly.
The least of the errors I know, but still..
Why even make this comment lol.
Time vault simply needs the text: “Time Vault can only be untapped by its own effect”. It’s more of a YGO clause but it would probably cheese-proof the card.
Also the reserved list is kinda weird and seems like a mistake in retrospect. It makes the power formats way less playable for people not willing to build an expensive deck. A lot of other TCGs have this problem, but not to this big of a degree. Reprints are nothing but good for a card game if you don’t treat it like an investment bank.
Or just add an ability to it like "Time Vault can't be the target of spells or abilities you control" - that prolly would be more in line with something we could see on a MTG card today, while still preventing you from using other stuff to untap Time Vault (unless there's some repeatable global untap effect for artifacts, like Wild Reclamation for lands, that I'm not remembering right now)
Put Shroud on Time Vault? I won't fix the problem, but it would limit some of the low effort combos.
Unbanning Oath in an Atraxa world is actual insanity lol
(Yeah Atraxa, Grand Unifier hadn’t been printed yet but Y’know)
yawgmoth's bargain is actually the fixed version of necropotence. The big brother analogy is just kinda odd to me for that reason.
Because it's not fixed at all, and in many decks it is strictly superior to Necro.
Amazing!
A lot of legacy's banlist is due to the good fast mana breaking the rules of the game on a fundamental level. Cards like dark ritual will soon make the legacy banlist have more banned modern legal cards than the modern banlist. There are also the cards that are banned because brainstorm like dreadhorde arcanist and ragavan.
I'd like to hear your take on Survival of the Fittest.
He did, check the tutors vid
I JUST THOUGHT OF A WAY TO BALANCE TIME VAULT, just add "this effect can't be activated during an extra turn or if you would take an extra turn after this turn" or some way where it's worded better.
EDIT: like a helpful person said to me (in the reply thread of this comment) another way is to add the text "this card can only untap by it's own effect." to time vault.
I was thinking that couldn't you just say that it can only untap by its own effect?
@@jacthing1 that is another great idea, let me add that to my comment
@@dillydragonthetroll4119 thanks. I thought of it the moment he explained how they would abuse it. Honestly I'm kinda surprised they didn't just do that instead of the counter idea. It stops it from being abused like that while not changing the card at all from it's intended use
@@jacthing1 yeah it is surprising, why i think why they didn't do this is because of either just not thinking of it or they just gave up on erattas for it
@@dillydragonthetroll4119 it was too obvious
No way Oath could be unbanned. There's WAY too many ways to play it turn one and be ready to drop your GG threat in t2 upkeep. It basically forces you to have a counter. Reanimator is a bit slower and less consistent... but Reanimator would actually be strong except it gets SHIT on by GY hate, and there's a TON of really good GY hate in the format.
Oath is way too good and you barely have to play any cards for it. You could literally play 2-3 color oath and run a TON of disruption/cantrips on top of a very consistently and fast combo. It'd be way too busted for Legacy IMO, and you'd have to run some pretty specific hate for it too.
Edit: The Doomsday comparison is a bit puzzling too because Vintage Doomsday can play 4x Gush and Legacy can play... none. No Gush makes your Thassa's win condition way slower.
Edit2: Time Vault can't be unbanned in Legacy without banning Urza's Saga. Saga is the cooler card for the meta anyways.
Mans be saying card names like Nigella Lawson pronouncing “microwave”
There's an easy way to fix Time Vault: just give it Shroud.
If you can't target it, you can't use cards like Voltaic Key for easy infinite turns. You can still get cheap extra turns with cards like Dramatic Reversal untapping Time Vault without targetting it, and still go infinite with cards like Sands of Time, but those cards can't be part of an Urza's Saga package like the Keys, and they don't have the same utility with other artifacts you could play along like Retrofitter Foundry, Currency Converter, or Smelting Vat.
At one point it was errata'd to have "Skip your next turn: Untap Time Vault." This was fine until there was a card that gave all permanents you control "Tap: Deal 1 damage." I think you can see the problem with that. The errata didn't last long.
Nec-ro-po-ten-ce
Bargain would be cast like emrakul is cast. It won't be. It is just a better griselbrand in terms of card draw
In other words you use show and tell to put it in
Time vault combo is practically legal in legacy, you just use isochron scepter instead
"Academy Reactor"
Neck-row-poe-tense
From now on I will only pronounce Necropotence as NehKrawPuhTehns
Best Elves
God the way he says necropotence hurts
For time vault maybe just give it shroud
Where is halq.
'this a joke don't be angry.
0:11 ?
just noting if noone has yeat playing oath in legacy even without creatures nowdays would be too good because oath putting the cards in yo GY and we all know what that means. whole deck as tool box in gy and thassas oracle wins with living wish with milion counterspels and or silence effects
Video idea: top floodgates in Magic. They exist but they're kind of niche. Could be a fun YuGiOh contrast.
Pretty sure he has a video on the top stax pieces already
@@Planswalker89 Ah, right that's about the same thing isn't it? Begging your pardon, I forget what some card types are called.
I just can't get over how you pronounce Necropotence
i know its a crazy word and if i didn't know it already i would fuck it up as well but it's pronounced necro-potence
Academy REACTOR.
Dude. Are you like this in real life?
you say necro po tence wrong!
"Academy Reactor"?! Ok now I KNOW you're trolling and not learning disabled
Howdy.
since comments drive traffic I wonder if they're pronouncing cards super wrong just to get additional comments lmao
good channel btw
Please, use the ORIGINAL PRINTING of the cards!!! Helps to contextualize...
Can tell you don't play legacy that you think oath could be unbanned
Neck rop o tence lol okay
its pronounced necropotence. sheesh you always say the card wrong
I guess he used "incompetence" instead of "potence" as model for the pronunciation, don't be so pressed
@@entiendemierda3849 arrest your distress and rest assured im only being absurd
:)
The way he says llanowar is much more epic
@@BitBam hahaha it's ok friend, I wasn't being that serious either, the way he pronounces cards can be weird sometimes tho, I'll give u that
@@entiendemierda3849 i think he does it on purpose sometimes so a jerk like me will comment about it haha
Necro-potence not nercop-otence , I swear you do this to upset me lol
To the script writer, please add pronunciations to the card names
Why do you mispronounce almost every card?
The more I listen to you, the more apparent it becomes that you really haven't played the game long. Most of what you say is either only half the story or has glaring errors in it.
I would recommend that you have someone read over everything first that has been playing for a long time. And help you pronounce things properly too. I got a twitch in my eye over "academy reactor".
He said in another video that Dredge was a triggered ability. While pronunciation isn't a big deal at the end of the day, not understanding the difference between replacement effects & triggered abilities is.
time vault "This card can only be untapped by its own effect."
Done, legal.
Necro-po-tence… I love the card but that is the first time I heard someone say it like ne-crop-o-tence
We don't say "necro-po-lis"
I really enjoy your vids. However, you say ‘extremely’ and ‘alot’ a little to frequently.
Thank you for being the literal only other person who pronounced “Necropotence” correctly.
So tired of hearing it incorrect pronounced “necro-potence”.
The how could it be fixed section is the most pointless part of a video I've ever seen.
trying to fix a card based on yugioh rules isn't the best way tho
Necro-potence. You're pronunciation is weird