Most Underrated Skill Of Each GOAT (Part 2)
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- An explanation of the most underrated trait of each GOAT candidate.
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What's the most underrated skill of your favorite player??
@@epictronologs1793 No way is the guy whose nickname is Flash underrated for his speed.
Steph curry 2022 playoff defense
Giannis-playmaking and Duncan-passing
Can you make a video about if wilt chamberlains 100 point game was real
@@Keith_Eit was real
Another underrated aspect of Duncan is his killer mentality, Kobe said himself that Duncan has that in him but he's silent as usual.
He didn’t just love to win…He hated to lose!!!
No ego, did what he needed to do to win
Honestly the majority of the NBA fan base underrates a lot of Duncan’s offensive game. Like he was a top scorer. Especially in the playoffs
Duncan was one of the greatest winners in basketball history. He has a winning record against every team in the league.
@@machoboys8884ong bro had a year of averaging 25 ppg ...in the early 2000s 😳
Shaq definitely was incredibly agile and had great footwork for a guy as big and strong as he is. Makes sense since Shaq learned some of his footwork from Hakeem.
Shaq was a freak athlete who happened to gain an extraordinary amount of weight. It made him even more dominant for several years because his athleticism didn’t take a big hit for awhile, and he became a MACK truck who simply couldn’t be stopped.
Of course he learned from Hakeem absolutely dominating him in the finals.
Even Shaq admitted it.
@@logicaldude3611happened to gain weight? He's said himself that he made that choice, sacrificing a bit of career length to dominate.
But that was never underrated. People always appreciated how freaky his combination of size, strength and coordination was.
My list of Underrated Skills
Dr J: iconic afro
Shaq: breakdancing
Stockton: ability to blend unnoticed into crowds
You forgot to mention:
Popeye Jones: Ears
Sam Cassell: Human who most closely resembles an alien
@@omnivorous65 Yes. All very important skills.
That ability served Stockton well during the '92 Olympics.
😂 that was awesome about J. Stockton. Did u see that on Dream team doc. When he got off the bus & walked to the game with his wife. & started talking to another American & she said "I love the dream team. I wish I could meet one." LOL & JS said "HAY who's that player ." & pointed to himself on her shirt & she didn't even realize it. That was a Great take 👍🏼
Does anyone else notice that Jerry West played at West Virginia before playing in the Western Conference and thus their West All-Stars team? He truly lived up to his name. :D
9 time western conference champ
Funny how WV is in the east, it's just another Virginia.
Damn I never caught that. I do find it funny that every All-Star game he had “West” on the front and the back of his jersey lol
@@a-a-rondavis9438shut up
The Shaq point is great. It’s easy to miss, but when you pay attention, you see the skill
Skinny shaq was a PROBLEM
@@VonKappallot la shaq was even bigger problem lol
@@ziginaigraliterally
@@ziginaigra 💯 And Celtics shaq was THEE big problem
@@VonKappallot 🤣
Kobe's passing is off the charts. Excellent passer. He had games with just 2 or 3 assists if they weren't much needed, but also 10+. Many of his passes are actually more impressive than Lebron's or somebody else known as an all time playmaker. James Harden and LeBron play more point guard really.
Awesome points, Jonny. I remember bringing up Hakeem's steals many years ago among some friends and being dismissed. It is amazing how good he was at stealing the ball. I also totally agree with you about Steph. He is great at driving to the hoop and so hard to stop while doing so.
Great video.
Honestly Shaqs longevity is his most underrated trait, people always harp on his longevity and that he could have been the greatest if he had that, but he was honestly a force and an MVP candidate from the day he entered the league until 2005 in which he came in second in MVP voting, thats from '92 until 2005, a longer stretch than some peoples careers like bird and magics
His durability and conditioning is the thing he deserves criticism for in my opinion if anything.
Shaq’s longevity is solid, and yeah, his first Miami year is the last year he was in the MVP conversation.
BINGO!
Idk, I’d probably say his MVP caliber play more so started when he made his way over to the Lakers, but certainly he has been dominating since he began.
Regardless, his longevity is an amazing skill. Legit not far off from LeBron, and it’s crazy to say considering how he didn’t focus enough on his conditioning to be the best he could be
@@Jonathan-A.C. He was 7th in MVP voting in his rookie year, 4th the year after, and 2nd in his third year. He was also almost the scoring leader his 2nd year and was the scoring champ his 3rd year
@@VelaniTheOne
Makes sense
Huge W for speaking about Kobe’s playmaking. When Kobe won back to back chips without Shaq, his playmaking really improved
Actually, during the 3peat, Jackson often used it as a point guard and said he was the best player at doing that in the triangle he'd ever coached (meaning better than MJ and Pip at doing that), so he had already displayed his ability at a young age
@@gibgiuseppe Agreed Kobe always had the ability to pass but in 2007-08 he became a more willing passer.
@@Matthew-xl5bc Yeah I think he partly understood that he couldn't win alone, but also they finally gave him someone to pass to, no doubt he didn't pass when playing with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown haha
@@gibgiuseppe MJ wasn't played as a guard in that system. Jackson even said Kobe moved from playing as a guard to the Michael Jordan wing position
No single player gets a lot of assists in the triangle system. Kobe actually led the team in assists in most years he played including all 5 Championship seasons.
Honestly the fact that Jerry West was clamps on Defense and on top of the fact that his playoff numbers are mindblowing definitely makes him a candidate for the most underrated player ever. He probably deserved an MVP or two.
As much as I love Jerry he never deserved a MVP, which isn't a knock on Jerry, but more so praise towards primarily Bill and Wilt.
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Another underrated skills of Steph curry is his conditioning and stanima. That guy can sprint whole possetion looking for best spots to shot the ball and drive his defender crazy. It is crazy to me that many describe him as unathletic
Absolutely
He's not sprinting if he can sprint that long. But that does mean he's well conditioned.
Not really underrated every talks about that daily
I was literally just yesterday looking up the top pick pockets ever and saw Hakeem's career average was top 20 all time, and was completely stunned😅
Yeah ima be honest i didnt know that hakeem was that good at picking pockets. I knew he was obviously good but 2.6 steals per game over a 3 year stretch is insane
Bill Russell, Willis reed and wilt wouldve probably cracked top 20 as well... ESPECIALLY bill
@@JohnnyRodgers3 not even close buddy, you can't even pretend that's true at all. Olajuwon has more career steals than Kobe, Iverson, Isaiah Thomas and up until just recently, LeBron.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 I mean...wilt, bill Russell, Artis Gilmore, and nate thurmond would give shaq fits if timmy boy could for sure
@@JohnnyRodgers3 none of them are giving Shaq fits on offense the way Timmy was, that's for damn sure! They'll all be able to guard Shaq very well in the post, but Timmy had an all around game, those players you named didn't. None of them were threats from 19ft from the basket like Timmy was.
Thank you for talking about Jerry West's defense.
Once the all-defense teams started, he was always 1st team (except the first year, when he was 2nd team to Walt Frazier).
Although he has slipped out of most people's top 10, he is rightly still in the top 5 for two-way players, imo. He had freakishly long arms for his (probably under-stated) height, and a relentless motor and quickness for ball-hawking. He's another one whose defensive stats for his career are zeroed out, since the league didn't tally up steals or blocks.
Jerry was a monster
Unfortunately Bill was a bigger monster
Jerry west sounds like better than Stephen Curry In this video 7:57
Jerry West wasn't better than Curry, but he was a better two way player. He also, before his knee injuries,likely had a 38"-42" vertical. I saw him as a little kid get his fore arm over the rim on what we now call a tomahawk jam. Unfortunately, after the ACL he lost some of that. Still, pretty remarkable in retrospect
@@Time-To-Obligationhe is man. He's the goat. Russell had better team and coach
@@thefourthquarter7429he was way better lol. Curry Stan
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar dunking, fadeaway, and footwork.
He used is crossover with is back to the defender to quickly turn around and dunk on them in clips I watched. He used crossover to fake moving to the left then right and turn left dunking on the defender. And even use footwork to confuse defender creating and opening for shot. He had more than the 'Skyhook'.
I love this content jonny. You're so creative with your topics. Keep it up bro 😊 ❤
Tbh I believe tim Duncan and Hakeem are the most underrated greats in NBA history
Depends on what you call a great, but if you call top 15 great I still think I have Kareem over Hakeem. Oscar Robertson and Moses Malone also come to mind.
@@zsomborszigeti6797 I do agree that Kareem and Moses are definitely underrated .
Hakeem is so painfully underrated it kills me.
There is a pretty lengthy list of great players who are underrated by today's younger fans. John Havlicek, Elgin Baylor, Rick Barry, Walt Frazier, Nate Thurmond, Pete Maravich and Bob Lanier are among those I would mention. Even Oscar Robertson is becoming more underrated as years go by.
It's hard to understand how graceful Shaq was. But seeing as how he had to go against Hakeem, who's footwork is second to none, he worked tirelessly to get on that level
Hakeem was drafted in the same year as all-time great stealers MJ, Stockton, & Alvin Robertson. Barkley was no slouch at steals either.
Goodness Duncan was such a great player. I don't think we will ever see someone like him again.
2.6stls at 35 years old in the 70s is CRAZY. Jerry West was built different 😳
The Jerry West defends section was dope
shaq's move at 10:03 was nasty!
Great video, I love that you gave props to Shaq's footwork. He had legitimately crazy touch and really nice footwork, its just he didn't necessarily need to use it. Great points about Duncan, Steph, etc as well, awesome stuff.
Was waiting for this! Wohoo thanks Jonny
Shaq’s longevity is also massively underrated, he was an mvp caliber player for 13 years
True, he Started slowing down at 32...
Great 2 part series!!! Looking forward to what's next!
Wow, awesome video! I learned a lot today
This was another solid list and breakdown. ❤❤❤❤
Thank you Jonny!
Great video! Well thought out and presented! I always thought Shaq was just a brute until I watched several videos that showed that he knew how and where to position himself to take advantage of his size... his foot work was impressive as was his quickness...
Pointing out Jerry West’s defense… that’s the best part of this video and it’s something that as a lifelong basketball fan near 40, I was never aware of. It makes sense that if the stats and awards existed in his prime, he would be considered one of the top 2-way guards in NBA history. Thanks for the info.
I agree about Jerry West. John Havlicek is my favorite all-time player, and he is another underrated great who consistently made the all-NBA defensive teams. Like West, he had long arms and was a tremendous athlete (in fact, he was drafted by the Browns as a wide receiver).
I remember when Greg Oden was first drafted, someone wrote an article saying that Oden was going to be a bust just after watching him walk. He said that all great NBA players, even someone as big as Shaq, seem to float when they walk, but Oden didn't.
Yeaaah that was bill simmons
@@Jboooog18 Yes. And he pointed out that Oden had one leg shorter than the other, which obviously creates enormous imbalances and stresses on the knees.
Tim Duncan’s entire game is overlooked. People only remember him as a slow old guy, especially after his foot injury around 30. That injury rarely gets mentioned, but Duncan was never the same after that. But if you look at Duncan in the early and mid-2000s, Jesus the guy was so awesome.
Timmy could beat you any way possible- he could blow past you to the basket. If the defender hung back to prevent that, he'd rise up and shoot it (usually banking it in). He could post up and turn either shoulder and get you with a hook shot or fadeaway. He also had an underrated passing ability.
He was one of the only guys I've ever seen get triple-teamed and it not bother him. Simply unstoppable.
So fantastic video. I appreciate all the things you pointed out. Is this just a part 1 of a series? I feel like you left alot of GOATS off this list...magic, bird, lebron, MJ, wilt, B russ
This was part 2 of a series. Those other GOAT players you mentioned were in part 1.
this is my favorite nba series. I was just talking to a friend about how Shaq had no right having his dancers feet and soft touch with his natural attributes.
Just unfair
@johhnyarnett I think a dope video idea would be the most underrated season of every stars career. Maybe cuz they didn’t make it far in the playoffs or just nobody talks about, but I’d love to hear you talk about great seasons.
It amazed me how Hakeem was like the ultimate defender , He was top 10 in steals , top 1 in blocks and top 14 in rebounds. Hakeem is the only center I truly think can guard 1-5
I think another underated skill for Steph is his rebounding. For his size, he's a very good rebounder. He could end up being in top 10 reboubder for PGs
The footwork callout on Shaq was my favorite. As a lifelong Lakers fan growing up in LA, it pains me when newer generation fans say Shaq was just a brute. The reason he was so good was he was a brute with absolute insane agility, for his size or not.
Yeah JA thanks for another solid video!!
Yes new Jonny arnett video 🎉
What a fantastic channel.
MJ is my GOAT, but I strongly believe Hakeem is the most complete two-way player in basketball history. He had by far the biggest offensive bag out of any big and defensively would block/deflect shots without fouling and could switch on comfortably.
With respect to Hakeem I can only partially agree. Hakeem's offence was limited in two regards. His jumpshot was only reliable in midrange (max), it extended as a reliable offensive weapon maybe 3 feet outside the box. And he was a so-so passer. Best two way players I have seen were Pippen, Jordan and Kawhi.
Love your Shaq take 👌
Anyone who saw the video of Shaq playing 1v1 against Jordan will know better than to underrate his agility and footwork.
For me, Hakeem’s underrated/undervalued skill was his shot making ability. He was completely unfazed while in either the low or high post as well as his mid range. His game really translates very well to today’s game and I very much believe he would have been a very good 3 point shooter if he played today.
great idea for video
Jdog, I'd love to see your take on just a straight up classic dazzling dunks and basketball bloopers video .
totally agree about Curry!! I've always thought this. the Steph Layup is almost as beautiful and iconic as his jumpshot. He always finds a way to make that thing go in inside, its automatic.
Wilt chamberlains passing, dude got bored one season and decided he wanted to pass.. so he led the league in assists, as a 7’2 center that makes Shaq look small. There’s a video of them shaking hands and WOW he makes Shaq look normal, even muscle wise
Wilt was 275 Shaq was 335 and both were 7’1 so Wilt ain’t making him look small. If anything shaq makes him look like a normal guy
@@VonKappallot Go look at the tape. I don’t have to argue. Broader shoulders, bigger forearms. Bigger head, just a BIGGER person. Shaq was just shorter and fatter.
@@VonKappallot Shaq was smaller in every sense of the word, he just had love handles and wilt did not. Honestly the audacity
@@user-md9hn7jz7f I mean I’m just going by what’s on their profiles. You may be right but from what it says shaq was bigger
@@user-md9hn7jz7f Why does is have wilt listed as 7’1 275lbs? And shaq as 7’1 325? You gettin all flustered for what anyway? 😂😂😂
You should make a video on the underrated nba players of the 50s like Walt Bellamy, Zelmo Beatie, and maybe the Van Arsdale brothers
Zelmo Beaty, Walt Bellamy and the Van Arsdale brothers all played in the '60s and '70s, but I like your idea.
Almost clicked off when you said "Shaqs biggest underrated skill is his 3 ball." But I didn't. I'm so grateful I didn't. Your arguments for it were like something I never heard. I can thankfully say I had my mind changed today.
Curry's inside scoring is a good shout. I feel like people act like he's just a 3 pt guy and can't do stff around the rim. Love that call..Also Shaq's longevity is not appreciated enough
5:48 that was cold af
Johnny could you make up a top 10 or 20 of the best role players of all time? Many of those players help their teams to win rings so I think they deserve some recognition
I don't know if this is a skill but I think the most underrated part of Steph's game is his rebounding. He has the ability to track where the ball is going after it bounces off the rim. Furthermore, even with his size, he can box out a player like Dwight Howard to get an offensive rebound. In 2017 Finals, he has more rebounds in one game compared to Tristan Thompson's rebounds in the first 3 games of the series.
Thank you for reaching back to recognize Jerry West.
You mentioned Shaq's footwork, but actually I would have mentioned Shaq's soft touch: he had a hook, a turnaround, could score lay ups and shoot well from within 15 feet. Mysteriously, his soft touch disappeared at the foul line and he piled up brick after brick haha
I think u could also have mentioned Jordan's offensive rebound, Magic's Ball handling and Kobe's off-ball movement
I have an interesting idea for a video for you. Something about how certain players from different generations played with each other. For example, LeBron has been in the league so long that he has played with players who played in the early to mid 80s. He literally played against Karl malone, who himself played against players who played in the 60s. As in there are only one generation separating someone playing today from someone who played against bill russell. Maybe include the longest overarching player arcs in terms of who played with who as a youngest player against the oldest player. And see how few generations separate a current player from a player in the first season of the nba.
People talk about Curry shooting three's only, but I can't be the only one who watches to see what new move he does under or around the rim, from the floaters to the crazy lay ups, dude is incredible to watch.
The background beat is way too fire for its own good🔥
The framing of Steph as just a jump shooter who can’t finish at the rim is so WILD because that was always the most upsetting part about his game. Back in 2015 and 16 I’d literally see him make it look effortless to the point where I’m like “dude just block the fucking shot.” Like Kyrie you can at least tell that he’s just that good at finishing because of how acrobatic he is, but with Steph he made the D look like they weren’t trying.
i think KD's clutch shooting is very underrated, one of the most clutch shooters ever but rarely gets brought up when discussing great clutch shooters
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Kobe portion of the video was cut from the previous video you made dedicated to Kobe on his birthday right??
Shaq's sense of balance is unrivaled for his height and weight. His balance allowed him to unleash his incredible strenghth after running or pivoting. This balance (with the rules and style of the time) allowed him to be the most physically aggressive center the game has seen.
On the other hand, it allowed Shaq to do something in his very first NBA game that Wilt never accomplished in his entire career..... foul out.
I think lowkey like Kobe, Tim Duncan has a killer mentality, except he does it very discreetly. The term 'Silent but deadly'.
I think one Superstar's most understated skill is Gary Payton's offensive ability.
Obviously he is known for his defensive prowess but in his prime he was still averaging around 20 pts and almost 8 assists a season.
I dont think that's underrated, he was considered the best pg in the league for a while, it's just not what he's more famous for
Olajuwon is the only player in NBA history with 200+ blocks(287), and 200+ steals(213) in the same season, that was supposed to be his DPOY in 88'! Then he followed that up with 174 steals and 376 blocks, while averaging 24ppg, 14rpg, 3apg, and still didn't win DPOY or MVP! How can a player be #10 in points, #1 in rebounds, #7 in steals, and #1 in blocks and not win MVP or DPOY?! There could be an entire video on Olajuwon getting ripped off from his earned awards.
I almost forgot about Jerry West as one of the greats. But yeah I agree defence is his underrated skillset
I gotta say, every time I watch one of your videos and watch the Kobe part in the intro, I always think, “man, he must have been a better ball handler than I realize.”
Doctor J and his shot blocking ability........Moses Malone and his defensive ability.
1:46 My favorite version of Kobe: _Magic Mamba_, they called him, which is a dope name for so many reasons.
Not only was Kobe moved to the 1, Nash was moved to the 2 since his wheels had fallen off by then.
In that stretch, he proved he could do everything LeBron did and was doing in terms of dominating the ball with scoring *and* passing.
I always wondered why he never did that to further distance himself from LeBron and even MJ.
Tmac!! I’d say his playoff translation!! Tmac translation was so special!!
Real talk 😊
Mark Price would be an example for Steph Curry, short and 'not so athletic' guard doing pretty good for inside scoring in the 90s.
Young duncan was quick asf in the post, givin Garnett all he could handle
I like the point about Steph. I always thought his offence was a vicious circle for defences to deal with. He has his obvious incredible 3pt shooting and that leads to defences leaving him more chances to punish them on the interior, which he does very effectively. And then, if a defence tries to combat that interior threat he just bombs them from 35ft. It makes him essentially impossible to deal with.
Needed this kobe one greatest of all time
I love the recognition for Steph’s inside scoring
Me and my dad talk about how unbelievable he is inside every warriors game we watch together
For me, Kobe's basketball IQ might be the best I've ever seen from any NBA player. You listen to him talk in interviews about any part of the NBA and he articulates so intelligently on why things are the way they are. Other players just don't talk about basketball as eloquently and in-depth as Kobe did, and I think it gets overlooked because he's seen as the "Mamba Mentality", grind hard, score a lot kind of player.
I always appreciated the fact that Kobe gave the older players their due. He seemed to have a good sense of NBA history, probably in part because his dad was an NBA player for many years.
Your channel is criminally under subscribed
Reason why Kobe and MJ had so much similarities. Jordan was moved to PG for a period and nearly averaged a triple double with double digit assist. Similar to Kobe where they were shoot first mentality.
Shaq was a phenomenal passer. But he did had tremendous footwork and that’s how he was able to be as effective as he was. People now just think he was this big guy who bullied people. Basketball doesn’t work that way. No sport works that way, not even football. These guys are all elite athletes, you have to be immensely skilled to be a superstar.
Great video. Was looking forward to Steph Curry and you got it right. Curry's ability to finish inside is what separates him from say, Klay Thompson. Steph can kill you inside and outside.
Charles Barkley’s passing ability often gets overlooked because of his ability to dominate at 6’5 in the paint.
We NEED the admiral!
Man must know Curry can get busy in paint😂we saw in the '19 Finals when he dropped 45. His most under appreciated skill to ME is his off-ball movement 💯
My favorite player of all time is jokic. Y’all can argue all you want but he plays basketball in such a beautiful way. I think the most underrated part of his game is his defensive positioning/stealing ability. People like to say that just because jokic can’t rim protect well that he’s bad on defense in general. His hands are the best in the league for a center right now, he led all centers in spg this season
This doesn’t have anything to do with this video, but you should do a video on the 1990 Phoenix Suns and Tom Chambers. He scored 60 and 56 points in a game that season and they beat the Lakers 4-1 in the Western Semis with Kevin Johnson and Jeff Hornacek. Very strange team
Pretty good team. Made the conference finals I believe?
Chambers also was MVP of the '87 all-star game.
Now you've gotta do the weakest part of the GOATS games
Hi will there be more parts of this?
To be 100% honest, it kinda depends, and I’m not sure just yet. Series like this I leave open-ended. If these first two videos do very well, then I’ll keep going since it’s something people seem to like, but if it bombs, then I’ll move on. Liking and commenting will certainly help though if you want more 👍 :)
@@jonnyarnett a video on Dream Team 2 (94 FIBA Team)
The Dream's steals was a jem
a video on Dream Team 2 (94 FIBA Team)
Young, leaner Shaq ran the floor like a deer. Had he been more disciplined he would have had 8 rings. Still he is a national treasure and a great guy.
I think dirk 1st step was the most underated part of his game. Guys like kg and duncan struggled to stay in front of him bc of it
Should have mentioned KGs play making
Jerry is the logo for good reason most underrated NBA player