If you ever read the disclaimer on the old Thunderhawk, it was a long winded rant that literally said you must to be stark raving mad to buy this model...
This list should really just be every model on Forgeworld listed in ascending order of price... No amount of awesomeness could offset the suck introduced by their pricing!
You will probably never see this but the reason most of the primarch models are in an attacking pose is because they are made to be paired with a second primarch, the best example from memory is lemon russ and magnus the red where when put together look like they are attacking eachother
Yup, Sicarans are actually my favorite tank design in all of 40k. And how would it look like its gonna snap off? Has he seen a Stryker MGS turret irl? it looks way flimsier but it works.
Felt it deep in my soul when he picked stormbird, sicarians and mastadon. Those are some of the best stuff. Even worse is that a Rogue Idol is no where to be seen! The fugging styrox pile got a pass
totally. Pert is intimidating to even think about painting but also the main reason i want one :) plus he'd look dope leading my IW'Ss .....might be my next big project after indomitus box is done
The only thing I disagree with is that big Nid. Love how it looks, propper alien vibe. Like it would reign terror on the battlefield, chopping everything to pieces and feasting upon their biomass. And my altime favourite FW sculpt is the Canoptek Heavy Construct as who doenst love the big spooderbot. I just wish it had some melee options for weapons.
Sitting here looking at my mastodon and my warlord titan with an unimpressed 10 metre stare going. "All around me are familiar faces ,worn out places ....."
As much as I appreciate FW models, I have a tough time purchasing items that at top cost still need a lot of remodeling & PRE-modeling before you can actually start. Great video
@@josephskiles no no no I TOTALLY understand. Certain models from FW you just NEED, it puts us in tough spot sometimes making that choice. Enjoy your hobby time & be safe friend
The Dimachaeron looks like the BIGGEST tipping hazard GW ever made... All the worst aspects of the hormagaunt models combined with the bulk of a Carnifex.
In regards to the Mastadon, I think a lot of people miss the point of the design of a lot of space marine vehicles, especially horus heresy ones, in that they're intentionally not designed to go in any direction other than forward, they're meant to just charge into the frontline and weather the storm, rather than relying on efficient turning. Also tracked vehicles tend to look like they can't turn despite they can quite easily and sometimes even better than wheeled vehicles. As for my top picks, XV9 battlesuits are the best out of the Tau range in my opinion, plus the fusion cascades give me hope for the rest of my fusion blaster heavy farsight enclaves army. However if I had to pick something out that I love the most it would probably be the solar auxilia lasrifle section, they're such awesome models and it's a shame that they're locked away as an almost too expensive army to field in a side game with very few players.
I think you’re bang on about vehicle turning. Sometimes we try to think of tracked vehicles moving like wheeled vehicles, when in reality many tracked vehicles can turn on the spot by having tracks on one side move forward while the others move backwards. I find it highly unlikely that the mastadon wouldn’t have neutral steering.
We clearly have very different ideas on what makes a good/bad model 😅 The Dimachaeron is one of my favourite models as it's so reminiscent of the Xenomorph from Aliens. I think it being very spindly works given it's a fast attack model, I couldn't imagine the chunky nids sprinting across the battle field As far as the Primarchs go, I'm not a fan of Dorn, he just looks so dull not being in a pose. I favour Vulcan and The Lion
3:55 oh wow it does look like a bunny. Now I kind of want to find an excuse to include rabbit-themed stuff in a 40k army. Edit: I also love the Mournghul. I so want to get one and use greenstuff to turn it into SCP-096 and homebrew rules
I've found recasters do better moulds of FW stuff (shhhhh) , less trimming and work involved to build it, believe it or not. Nearly $800 for a complete supremacy armor or $150 for the same thing but better qaulity with less work needed.
Truthfully, I kinda like the mastodon. I like big, clunky APCs with a bunch of guns poking out everywhere. It looks like it's meant to be a big battering ram that drops troops out when it breaks through the wall.
FW models have always been more niche than GW ones, so it actually makes sense. The average hobbyist isn't buying a Warlord Titan, nor are they buying a Thunderhawk, units you can only really bring out in Apocalypse, which can be tough to organize because now you need more board space, people with thousands of points of models and a whole day to kill. This ties back to resin v plastic. Plastic seems to be the gold standard, it's lightweight, it sticks together pretty well and it's reasonably resistant to bending, however it's far more expensive to mass produce. The molds are more expensive and require far more maintenance than for resin or pewter. In other words, if GW makes a plastic kit they have to commit to said kit more than if they made a pewter or resin kit, in order to get a return. Resin is better for the more niche models which fewer people will buy. They can be extremely detailed and they don't need to sell a ton to get a return. That said, the gap between GW and FW has been narrowing. FW has made more conventional army lists rather than just normal supplement models and upgrade kits. and GW has been making bigger models that FW used to.
Because GW still has a tendency to cheapen the Resin-to-Plastic translation kits, see the plastic Contemptor Dreadnought. I will say the new plastic Kriegers are a good step in the right direction, albeit their proportions are a little hammier, but that's okay. But the Great Unclean One is defo more of a roundboi than the FW one, Keeper of Secrets lacks the triple titty nightmare show (for the best), etc. Idk if its just because the painting team at FW paints their models using more conventional scale modeling techniques rather than the uber-branded citadel ones, but a lot of the daemons- particularly nurgle ones- have a lot of intricate details that are caught much better by the resin at least or perhaps the paint that I feel as though the plastic kits fail to live up to (Mamon Transfigured/Nurgle Daemon Prince for example).
the tyranid dimachareon is like my all time favourite tyranid model, and that is coming from someone who has the entire FW and GW tyranid range almost.
The only primarch they got right with a charging pose is angron. Do you really see that guy having a chill pose. Na that’s guys going in like the demented psycho he is
This idea that plastic is on par with resin casting annoys me. Plastics have improved immensely, but as long as they are metal injections molds, they *cannot* have superior detail to resin, due to the way undercuts work. Additionally, resin kits will have fantastically detailed parts cast whole. You don't have to glue 2 to 5 pieces together to get the solid part, and then deal with seams (which GW is horrible at properly hiding 90% of the time). The plastic kits are great, but soft mold resin casts can't *really* be entirely replaced for fine/intricate detail across curved features.
What really threw me off was the complaint about spindly little weapon mounts, while, without trying to be offensive, I believe that Cerastus Knights are the definition of spindly and disproportionate (at least in 40k).
I can actually give a logical defense for the sicaran (welp the first few complaints at least) The sloped front armor would actually be a desirable design as slopped armor offers more effective armor thickness vs the same thickness of armor on a flat angle. The benefit of that is probably rendered nonexistent against none solid ammunition’s, but there is a logic to the design. The drivers view port is actually pretty logical as well. In most tanks the driver already has a limited field of view usual only straight forward as the commander is supposed to be the eyes not the driver. A good example of this can be seen in the German Panzer IV the tank has a very flat unobstructed front, but the driver still had a very limited field of view because it just didn’t matter too much. Early versions featured a forward facing view port and one on either side of the hull; latter models deleted the side view ports for a number of reasons including ease of production and putting skirt armor on the tank that would cover the view ports. The field of view isn’t strictly speaking a problem. And the turret is a hot mess that looks awful and really should be way more beefy.
what kinda rubs me the wrong way is the selectivness of what is plausable in reality and what´s not. Yes, the turret weapons would irl snap off.. probably, they might be from some futuristic alloy, but alright. But then I remember that just humble rhino is powered by nuclear reactor and Space Marines have 2 hearths and multiple organs.. would it work? no... is it alright? yes, because sci-fi and saying that a turret is wrong because it´s not structuraly sound (from our, today´s perspective), while just the Space Marines are not plausible themselves... I don´t know. I would either accept it as a whole or critique everything from the same baseline. Love the vid, love the list, but not the logic behind it.
Don't really have a top and bottom five. But if I have to pick most likely to buy it would be the astreus. Thing just looks so sick. Least likely would be the titans. Would not be able to recover from them financialy.
Having seen the mourngul in person I can say for a fact that it is one of the best FW sculpts in terms of small parts and how well it comes together. The khorne demon prince on the other hand
Lol your opening statements about a centrpiece to your army for folks to goggle at is exactly what i was going for with my ebay rescue baneblade conversion. Got it for a steal as the previous owner had half converted it and lost motivation. I did get a macharius vanquisher from forgeworld (which along with the baneblade are my favorite 40k tanks and they are buddies in their own little squadron.
My top forgeworld I would love to have, but never justify paying the price for are: A warlord Titan, Thunderhawk Gunship, and Sanguinius, he would be really fun to paint, too bad his base is not the large epic base he came with originally.
Fun fact: the ability of tracked vehicles to turn is all about ratios. The maximum length to width ratio is 5:3 for the tank to be able to turn. So long as the Mastodon's tracks keep these ratios, it can turn just fine, no matter how big and cumbersome it seems to be.
I've probably had the chaos dwarf line in my cart for a decade. Finally decided to pull the trigger after the holidays and they're going OOP. FW you cruel mistress.
Your top two picks are some of my bottom picks (respectfully). Dorn is just standing there, looking unaware of the fact he's on a battlefield. Yeah they're super human, I would expect him to make that pose sitting on the war council, not after slaying Night Lords. The knights are also too skinny. I don't know how you can think the tanks look flimsy in the gun department when the knights look like a light breeze would knock them over. I will still watch your vids.
I agree with the weird treads on the Sicarian tank, they should be the other way around if you look at the inspiration, the British WW1 Mark tanks. The view port reminds me of the Churchill tank, which was even worse.
I quite like the Mastodon, its built like a brick but a heavy transport should be. The only major change i would want is the front treads being protected
I used to work at a games store where warhammer was the "big deal." Eventually their hype got me swept up and I wanted to build an army, but nothing appealed to me in the plastic range. Eventually, I discovered forge world and fell for the death korps of krieg. friend at the store helped me build up a good 2500 point first timer list and I bit the bullet and bought an entire krieg army, including armor, with the exception of chimeras and Valkyries which were in plastic. Eventually, it spun out of control and every piece of my army had some sort of custom resin piece or modification on them. I was up to $1.00 per point, roughly. Insanity. Eventually I sold off the army, which I regret sometimes. I play Lamenters space marines now because primaris has improved the figure scale, but I agree, scale is a mess.
my top forge world model is the night lords Contemptor dreadnought, and thanks to some rando who decided to sell theirs unopened to my local game store, I now own one!
The Dimacheron is wrong because it has no building to lean on. If you add some conversion bits and building terrain onto the base, it will look more realistic and normal.
I really like the Flyers of Forgeworld. They look really cool but are not all that competitive usually. And so expensive you got to sell your army to get it for your army.
My only issue with the Cerastus knights is that their legs are weirdly, un detailed or just too skinny. I love the castigator, but the legs keep me from pulling the trigger. I REALLY want to model one cutting a rhino in half or something like that.
cant do my dimachaeron wrong like this, its the most fun model iver ever made and painted, the mastodon is also tracked so it can very easily turn since it just needs specific tracks to run and not actually turn wheels
My biggest problem with the sicarian is where they decided to put the gate for the resin flow on the hull. right on the flat surface on the backpannel you have a hughe chunk of resin to cut off. yeah these are advanced builders models, but when i pay and eye and a leg for a model i kinda expect to not have to saw of a large chunk of resin on one of the most visible parts of the model....twice... but those FW knight....damn they are so sexy. the lancer is the reason i started a Knight Army. FW kinda lost their magic. back then they were specialised to build large models that coudnt be made with plastic and the sight of one of their models was awesome. now they make a bunch of WAY overpriced minitures for their special games (75€ for an Aeronautica Model? WTF?!?), make awesome miniatures for their dead (?) heresy game that could also be made in plastic and suffer from quality issues. imo GW should try to move a large potion of the FW range to plastic and focus them again on larger than life models (and put reasonable prices on them...)
Legion Sicaran and the Matodon are both goofy, but they're a kind of goofy that appeals to me. I want to give them a high-effort but conceptually-malformed paintjob (like a high-detail Imperial Fists attempt done with craft paints) and slap 'em next to some old-school minimarines. Edit: actually, craft paints usually have yellows with surprisingly good coverage, so pretend I said Crimson Fists.
Top five favorite Forgeworld models 1) Great unclean one -Nice big model, ugly, dirty, detailed, grandfather is proud 2) Armageddon Pattern Basilisk - Big gun with protection 3) Macharius Vulcan- I’m an ex A-10 mechanic, anything with a gatling cannon is good: bbbbrrrrttttt 3) Fire Raptor Gunship - see three, plus it looks cool 4) Storm Eagle - see three again plus looks cool My top 5 models that suck from Forgeworld models 1) Legion Kharybdis assault claw: just don’t like the way it looks 2) Keeper of secrets: give me the creeps 3) Khorne Blood Slaughter 4) Khorne Blood Slaughter Impaler' 5) Serptek Heavy Construct: I play Necrons and I’m not feeling this big focus fire target I like the Sicaran tanks for some reason, I don't have any problems with your choices, only thing is i am purposely saving for the Fire raptor gunship and Storm Eagle don't know if I will get to use them in a game and that's OK. Just for display and a project would be awesome.
Can’t believe that Sanguinius didn’t make your list of garbage sculpts. As a Blood Angels player since the late ‘80s I was incredibly disappointed when I got the kit. Tried to think of ways to salvage him but just couldn’t come up with anything that made me happy. Ending up selling it off.
I've actually been buying a couple models from them lately . one of my favorite of all time models is the Night Lord praetor with jump pack, I love that guy and modded 2 of them so they are 40k legal, I also got the Night Lords Leviathan which is beyond cool! I also have the Trog hag and the Belladonna model coming in the mail soon, can't wait!
Sicaran tanks are amazing. Sig does suck because he's squat dumb marine. The Dimachaeron is amazing. Mastodon is amazing. It does not look like a bunny. Stormbired is amazing. So wrong on most counts but that's ok.
I love how Games Workshop has the unmitigated gall to use the word "Only" in front of the number 649.99
Right????
@John Finucane FWIW, the exchange rates at the time made that 40,000 pence.
It's humour the form you have to sign makes you tick a box to say that you really are insane
I would be the sarcastic person working there who would put that
If you ever read the disclaimer on the old Thunderhawk, it was a long winded rant that literally said you must to be stark raving mad to buy this model...
"Expensive side of the hobby" can we agree on "More expensive side of the hobby"? XD
Yeah, when he said that I thought; "There's a cheap side of the hobby?"
@@drewlovelyhell4892 yea ther eis . buying recasts.
Drew Lovelyhell using stand-up cardboard proxies for every model (not shop or tournament legal!)
This list should really just be every model on Forgeworld listed in ascending order of price... No amount of awesomeness could offset the suck introduced by their pricing!
The Rogal Dorn model is surveying the area to see where fortifications are needed
Is it just me or does Dorn look cross eyed?!
@@ashleybevilacqua6260 He's so angry he's cross... eyed
Sand bags. I need sand bags
He needs a mustache
You will probably never see this but the reason most of the primarch models are in an attacking pose is because they are made to be paired with a second primarch, the best example from memory is lemon russ and magnus the red where when put together look like they are attacking eachother
Hmmm cool
In other news; water is wet!
@@WardenOfTerra Plot twist: water was never wet, it was just moist
@@anightlord1852 more damp than moist
"the Driver can't see left or right" *stares in Bradley driver*
Stares in most tanks from ww2.
Damnnn some ballsy picks in the worst category lol
Yeah felt off 😂
Not sure he knows that the stormbird was replaced by the thunderhawk in the lore
I don’t think the mastodon is bad at all I love it personally
Yup, Sicarans are actually my favorite tank design in all of 40k.
And how would it look like its gonna snap off? Has he seen a Stryker MGS turret irl? it looks way flimsier but it works.
Felt it deep in my soul when he picked stormbird, sicarians and mastadon. Those are some of the best stuff.
Even worse is that a Rogue Idol is no where to be seen! The fugging styrox pile got a pass
You can't pick Dorn when 1) Perturabo's model exists and 2) you have to make a green stuff mustache for him
totally. Pert is intimidating to even think about painting but also the main reason i want one :) plus he'd look dope leading my IW'Ss .....might be my next big project after indomitus box is done
Dorn never had a moustache though.
@ tried watching it and hated it lmao
@@axemurderer010 He also stand on a Knight which he propably killed himself.:-)
Personally I love how chunky the Mastodon is. Like it could just off a direct hit from an artillery shell.
Same.
Weirdly enough, I like literally all of the models in your worst list - especially the mastodon heavy transport.
YES.
Except for tyranid. That one reaaly looks like a bad scratchbuild.
Same, amazing models
Love the mastodon
I love the Sicaran.
Love rabbits
The only thing I disagree with is that big Nid.
Love how it looks, propper alien vibe.
Like it would reign terror on the battlefield, chopping everything to pieces and feasting upon their biomass.
And my altime favourite FW sculpt is the Canoptek Heavy Construct as who doenst love the big spooderbot. I just wish it had some melee options for weapons.
Sitting here looking at my mastodon and my warlord titan with an unimpressed 10 metre stare going.
"All around me are familiar faces ,worn out places ....."
Lucky!
The problem is. 4 out of the 5 of your picks.. Are for Horus heresy and not 40k.
They don't belong in the 40k shit aesthetic
As much as I appreciate FW models, I have a tough time purchasing items that at top cost still need a lot of remodeling & PRE-modeling before you can actually start. Great video
I'm right with you but on some of the stuff I've just had to pull the trigger n get, nothing too insane but still I couldn't pass them up
@@josephskiles no no no I TOTALLY understand. Certain models from FW you just NEED, it puts us in tough spot sometimes making that choice. Enjoy your hobby time & be safe friend
Exactly. If im paying $500 for a model, it better be perfect quality
They can be a HUGE pain in the ass to press. Some come damn near perfect and others look just as bad as recasts.
@@1nePercentJuice honestly tho, every recast I've bought has been better quality and more consistent than forgeworld.
The Sicaran tank: “guess they crawl out when there’s a problem”
There’s NO problem - the Emperor Protects!
The Dimachaeron looks like the BIGGEST tipping hazard GW ever made... All the worst aspects of the hormagaunt models combined with the bulk of a Carnifex.
What do you think of the sicaran venator with it’s fun moulded into the chassis?
Edit: meant to say gun but I agree with autocorrect on this one 😂😂
"It's unbecoming of Primarchs"
Laughs in Leman Russ
*laughs in The Lion alongside the laughs in Leman Russ*
The moment the mastodon bunny realisation dropped....
That green sicaran is my absolute favorite.
I love the FW carnifex with he claws and rams
In regards to the Mastadon, I think a lot of people miss the point of the design of a lot of space marine vehicles, especially horus heresy ones, in that they're intentionally not designed to go in any direction other than forward, they're meant to just charge into the frontline and weather the storm, rather than relying on efficient turning. Also tracked vehicles tend to look like they can't turn despite they can quite easily and sometimes even better than wheeled vehicles. As for my top picks, XV9 battlesuits are the best out of the Tau range in my opinion, plus the fusion cascades give me hope for the rest of my fusion blaster heavy farsight enclaves army. However if I had to pick something out that I love the most it would probably be the solar auxilia lasrifle section, they're such awesome models and it's a shame that they're locked away as an almost too expensive army to field in a side game with very few players.
I think you’re bang on about vehicle turning. Sometimes we try to think of tracked vehicles moving like wheeled vehicles, when in reality many tracked vehicles can turn on the spot by having tracks on one side move forward while the others move backwards. I find it highly unlikely that the mastadon wouldn’t have neutral steering.
We clearly have very different ideas on what makes a good/bad model 😅
The Dimachaeron is one of my favourite models as it's so reminiscent of the Xenomorph from Aliens. I think it being very spindly works given it's a fast attack model, I couldn't imagine the chunky nids sprinting across the battle field
As far as the Primarchs go, I'm not a fan of Dorn, he just looks so dull not being in a pose. I favour Vulcan and The Lion
The Lion model is my favourite of the primarch’s as well
I think the dimachaeron would look better if he was smaller, he's just so tall that the proportions don't make sense to me. But different opinions.
@@jacobb.9181 If we all thought the same, life would be very boring.
@@RequiemWraith indeed so
3:55 oh wow it does look like a bunny. Now I kind of want to find an excuse to include rabbit-themed stuff in a 40k army.
Edit: I also love the Mournghul. I so want to get one and use greenstuff to turn it into SCP-096 and homebrew rules
As a man who literally just bought a Custodes Grav tank for my army that I’m learning how to paint… that will be my big piece
I've found recasters do better moulds of FW stuff (shhhhh) , less trimming and work involved to build it, believe it or not. Nearly $800 for a complete supremacy armor or $150 for the same thing but better qaulity with less work needed.
Truthfully, I kinda like the mastodon. I like big, clunky APCs with a bunch of guns poking out everywhere. It looks like it's meant to be a big battering ram that drops troops out when it breaks through the wall.
Nowadays GW can produce full plastic models on such a high quality level, I really don't understand why they still stick to FW.
exactly
GW can only produce so many plastic models every year and some models are either too large or too niche to get the plastic treatment.
FW models have always been more niche than GW ones, so it actually makes sense. The average hobbyist isn't buying a Warlord Titan, nor are they buying a Thunderhawk, units you can only really bring out in Apocalypse, which can be tough to organize because now you need more board space, people with thousands of points of models and a whole day to kill.
This ties back to resin v plastic. Plastic seems to be the gold standard, it's lightweight, it sticks together pretty well and it's reasonably resistant to bending, however it's far more expensive to mass produce. The molds are more expensive and require far more maintenance than for resin or pewter. In other words, if GW makes a plastic kit they have to commit to said kit more than if they made a pewter or resin kit, in order to get a return. Resin is better for the more niche models which fewer people will buy. They can be extremely detailed and they don't need to sell a ton to get a return.
That said, the gap between GW and FW has been narrowing. FW has made more conventional army lists rather than just normal supplement models and upgrade kits. and GW has been making bigger models that FW used to.
Because GW still has a tendency to cheapen the Resin-to-Plastic translation kits, see the plastic Contemptor Dreadnought. I will say the new plastic Kriegers are a good step in the right direction, albeit their proportions are a little hammier, but that's okay. But the Great Unclean One is defo more of a roundboi than the FW one, Keeper of Secrets lacks the triple titty nightmare show (for the best), etc. Idk if its just because the painting team at FW paints their models using more conventional scale modeling techniques rather than the uber-branded citadel ones, but a lot of the daemons- particularly nurgle ones- have a lot of intricate details that are caught much better by the resin at least or perhaps the paint that I feel as though the plastic kits fail to live up to (Mamon Transfigured/Nurgle Daemon Prince for example).
So, I get exactly what you mean with the Mastadon, but I love it for the same reasons
Mecha bunny and Tau Polly-woggs, I can't un-see that now!
Dimachaeron is one of my favourite Tyranid models 😂 I don't play without bringing mine, love it to bits
Thank you, one person who like's it and probaply get why and how Tyranids are sculpted for Battle and Special Purposes.
Someone-tells Angron to stand still.
Angron- Brain aneurysm rage intensifies!
The Mastodon is my absolute favourite Forge World model. Ouch.
It’s one of my favourites too. Used to be my favourite as well til I saw the forge world custodes
I don’t know, Leman Russ seems pretty in his element mid swing and screaming
Personally my favourite are the Custodian Venatari Squad. They’re just so cool to look at and have some great poses
I disagree with some of you picks but you have very valid points. Also, FW is not just about the « details »... it’s the whole esthetic ...
My favorite is the Gargantuan Squiggoth
The mourngul looks like scp 096
the Mastodon is not manouverable because He Just charges head- on into walls
the tyranid dimachareon is like my all time favourite tyranid model, and that is coming from someone who has the entire FW and GW tyranid range almost.
Forgeworld is the expensive side? I thought all sides are expensive
Some of their stuff really isn't much worse than reg GW IMO
How can you hate the mastodon. It’s one of my favourite models
I gotta say i very much disagree with nearly all of these options, but its cool you shared them
The only primarch they got right with a charging pose is angron. Do you really see that guy having a chill pose. Na that’s guys going in like the demented psycho he is
Not tried against a stompa, but my knight lancer took out a gorkanaut in one turn of combat.
This idea that plastic is on par with resin casting annoys me. Plastics have improved immensely, but as long as they are metal injections molds, they *cannot* have superior detail to resin, due to the way undercuts work. Additionally, resin kits will have fantastically detailed parts cast whole. You don't have to glue 2 to 5 pieces together to get the solid part, and then deal with seams (which GW is horrible at properly hiding 90% of the time). The plastic kits are great, but soft mold resin casts can't *really* be entirely replaced for fine/intricate detail across curved features.
I agree with everything exept the Mastodon. Its a beast! Best looking tank Gw ever made.
I have to disagree with the Mastadon. I think the big bulky brick looks cool😂
#5 the Cerastus pattern knights
*Sad Acastus noises*
Sicaran? Excuse me WTF?!
Same here,
Sicaran is one of my favoritely designed tanks in 40k.
I loved having the fw varient leman russ hull or turrets. Made my tanks unique in a more subtle way.
What really threw me off was the complaint about spindly little weapon mounts, while, without trying to be offensive, I believe that Cerastus Knights are the definition of spindly and disproportionate (at least in 40k).
Yes
"Swords, lances, and chainsaws." 🤣🤣🤣
I can actually give a logical defense for the sicaran (welp the first few complaints at least)
The sloped front armor would actually be a desirable design as slopped armor offers more effective armor thickness vs the same thickness of armor on a flat angle. The benefit of that is probably rendered nonexistent against none solid ammunition’s, but there is a logic to the design.
The drivers view port is actually pretty logical as well. In most tanks the driver already has a limited field of view usual only straight forward as the commander is supposed to be the eyes not the driver. A good example of this can be seen in the German Panzer IV the tank has a very flat unobstructed front, but the driver still had a very limited field of view because it just didn’t matter too much. Early versions featured a forward facing view port and one on either side of the hull; latter models deleted the side view ports for a number of reasons including ease of production and putting skirt armor on the tank that would cover the view ports. The field of view isn’t strictly speaking a problem.
And the turret is a hot mess that looks awful and really should be way more beefy.
what kinda rubs me the wrong way is the selectivness of what is plausable in reality and what´s not. Yes, the turret weapons would irl snap off.. probably, they might be from some futuristic alloy, but alright. But then I remember that just humble rhino is powered by nuclear reactor and Space Marines have 2 hearths and multiple organs.. would it work? no... is it alright? yes, because sci-fi and saying that a turret is wrong because it´s not structuraly sound (from our, today´s perspective), while just the Space Marines are not plausible themselves... I don´t know. I would either accept it as a whole or critique everything from the same baseline.
Love the vid, love the list, but not the logic behind it.
I love these videos , you should do one for every faction!
Don't really have a top and bottom five. But if I have to pick most likely to buy it would be the astreus. Thing just looks so sick. Least likely would be the titans. Would not be able to recover from them financialy.
Having seen the mourngul in person I can say for a fact that it is one of the best FW sculpts in terms of small parts and how well it comes together. The khorne demon prince on the other hand
Lol your opening statements about a centrpiece to your army for folks to goggle at is exactly what i was going for with my ebay rescue baneblade conversion. Got it for a steal as the previous owner had half converted it and lost motivation. I did get a macharius vanquisher from forgeworld (which along with the baneblade are my favorite 40k tanks and they are buddies in their own little squadron.
Always loved the Tantalus, Scorpion II, and the Nightwing. :) super lucky to have these in my collection too.
Great video :)
My top forgeworld I would love to have, but never justify paying the price for are: A warlord Titan, Thunderhawk Gunship, and Sanguinius, he would be really fun to paint, too bad his base is not the large epic base he came with originally.
Fun fact: the ability of tracked vehicles to turn is all about ratios. The maximum length to width ratio is 5:3 for the tank to be able to turn. So long as the Mastodon's tracks keep these ratios, it can turn just fine, no matter how big and cumbersome it seems to be.
Theae videos are pretty fun to watch and enjoyable.
I disagree with the mastodon but I guess different strokes for different folks
When I realized he meant looks not function I was about to say dimachron on worst wtf lol
I've never seen anyone be so wrong about what they like, smh
same here.
*inhales extremely heavily*
Did you just insult my mastodon? My might box? King of the box cars?
_That you have the gall_
I've probably had the chaos dwarf line in my cart for a decade. Finally decided to pull the trigger after the holidays and they're going OOP. FW you cruel mistress.
You sold me on the bunny tank. I want a custom one that looks even more like a bunny
A fun little anomaly is that some of the older FW 40k and Fantasy character models are now cheaper than their mundane equivalents in GW plastic.
Your top two picks are some of my bottom picks (respectfully). Dorn is just standing there, looking unaware of the fact he's on a battlefield. Yeah they're super human, I would expect him to make that pose sitting on the war council, not after slaying Night Lords. The knights are also too skinny. I don't know how you can think the tanks look flimsy in the gun department when the knights look like a light breeze would knock them over. I will still watch your vids.
I could not figure out why I like the Mastodon. You solved it. Because it looks like a bunny!
I agree with the weird treads on the Sicarian tank, they should be the other way around if you look at the inspiration, the British WW1 Mark tanks. The view port reminds me of the Churchill tank, which was even worse.
I quite like the Mastodon, its built like a brick but a heavy transport should be. The only major change i would want is the front treads being protected
When applying physics to sci fi..... you're gonna have a bad time 😂
"Here are Forgeworld's worst models" *Proceeds to list all of their best models*
I'm legitimately scared of what you'd consider "good"
He put a reverse card on his list.
The fact their used to be a metap thunderhawk blows my mind with its size
I used to work at a games store where warhammer was the "big deal." Eventually their hype got me swept up and I wanted to build an army, but nothing appealed to me in the plastic range. Eventually, I discovered forge world and fell for the death korps of krieg. friend at the store helped me build up a good 2500 point first timer list and I bit the bullet and bought an entire krieg army, including armor, with the exception of chimeras and Valkyries which were in plastic. Eventually, it spun out of control and every piece of my army had some sort of custom resin piece or modification on them. I was up to $1.00 per point, roughly. Insanity. Eventually I sold off the army, which I regret sometimes. I play Lamenters space marines now because primaris has improved the figure scale, but I agree, scale is a mess.
I never noticed that about the Tie-fighter and now I hate you haha
i dont think they fly by sight, so it doesnt really matter...
The 40k in the name stands for the price of forgeworld stuff
my top forge world model is the night lords Contemptor dreadnought, and thanks to some rando who decided to sell theirs unopened to my local game store, I now own one!
"The expensive side of warhammer hobby". *laughs in games workshop
I actually like the look of the mastodon and the stormbird
The Dimacheron is wrong because it has no building to lean on. If you add some conversion bits and building terrain onto the base, it will look more realistic and normal.
Ow, I actually love the forgeworld Tyranid :( It's a weird one for sure but the detail is insane and you can do so much with it
I have the Tau start collecting box and thats all i ever use lol
I really like the Flyers of Forgeworld. They look really cool but are not all that competitive usually. And so expensive you got to sell your army to get it for your army.
My only issue with the Cerastus knights is that their legs are weirdly, un detailed or just too skinny. I love the castigator, but the legs keep me from pulling the trigger. I REALLY want to model one cutting a rhino in half or something like that.
cant do my dimachaeron wrong like this, its the most fun model iver ever made and painted, the mastodon is also tracked so it can very easily turn since it just needs specific tracks to run and not actually turn wheels
Just got Grendl Grendlsen Squat Bounty Hunter. Such a cool model. bring back SQUATS!
My biggest problem with the sicarian is where they decided to put the gate for the resin flow on the hull.
right on the flat surface on the backpannel you have a hughe chunk of resin to cut off.
yeah these are advanced builders models, but when i pay and eye and a leg for a model i kinda expect to not have to saw of a large chunk of resin on one of the most visible parts of the model....twice...
but those FW knight....damn they are so sexy. the lancer is the reason i started a Knight Army.
FW kinda lost their magic. back then they were specialised to build large models that coudnt be made with plastic and the sight of one of their models was awesome.
now they make a bunch of WAY overpriced minitures for their special games (75€ for an Aeronautica Model? WTF?!?), make awesome miniatures for their dead (?) heresy game that could also be made in plastic and suffer from quality issues.
imo GW should try to move a large potion of the FW range to plastic and focus them again on larger than life models (and put reasonable prices on them...)
Legion Sicaran and the Matodon are both goofy, but they're a kind of goofy that appeals to me. I want to give them a high-effort but conceptually-malformed paintjob (like a high-detail Imperial Fists attempt done with craft paints) and slap 'em next to some old-school minimarines.
Edit: actually, craft paints usually have yellows with surprisingly good coverage, so pretend I said Crimson Fists.
Top five favorite Forgeworld models
1) Great unclean one -Nice big model, ugly, dirty, detailed, grandfather is proud
2) Armageddon Pattern Basilisk - Big gun with protection
3) Macharius Vulcan- I’m an ex A-10 mechanic, anything with a gatling cannon is good: bbbbrrrrttttt
3) Fire Raptor Gunship - see three, plus it looks cool
4) Storm Eagle - see three again plus looks cool
My top 5 models that suck from Forgeworld models
1) Legion Kharybdis assault claw: just don’t like the way it looks
2) Keeper of secrets: give me the creeps
3) Khorne Blood Slaughter
4) Khorne Blood Slaughter Impaler'
5) Serptek Heavy Construct: I play Necrons and I’m not feeling this big focus fire target
I like the Sicaran tanks for some reason, I don't have any problems with your choices, only thing is i am purposely saving for the Fire raptor gunship and Storm Eagle don't know if I will get to use them in a game and that's OK. Just for display and a project would be awesome.
Can’t believe that Sanguinius didn’t make your list of garbage sculpts. As a Blood Angels player since the late ‘80s I was incredibly disappointed when I got the kit. Tried to think of ways to salvage him but just couldn’t come up with anything that made me happy. Ending up selling it off.
Sigismund looks so cool ngl, I like the obi wan style pose
I've actually been buying a couple models from them lately . one of my favorite of all time models is the Night Lord praetor with jump pack, I love that guy and modded 2 of them so they are 40k legal, I also got the Night Lords Leviathan which is beyond cool! I also have the Trog hag and the Belladonna model coming in the mail soon, can't wait!
Sicaran tanks are amazing. Sig does suck because he's squat dumb marine. The Dimachaeron is amazing. Mastodon is amazing. It does not look like a bunny. Stormbired is amazing. So wrong on most counts but that's ok.
Hell yeah man, that lancer cerastus is EASILY one of my favorite knights. I'd love to pick one up if I ever go crazy into mechanicus or something.
I LOVE the Roboute Guilliman miniature!
I love my dorn sculpt so much, when I first got him I gave him some FATT mutton chops with some green stuff.
I think the mastadon looks awesome. Aim to turn one into an ork super trukk