Are the Tories Tearing Themselves Apart (Again)?
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Amidst the prospect of a General Election, internal strife within the government, exemplified by the Lee Anderson scandal, raises questions about the Conservative Party's unity and future.
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Another reason why we need PR reforms. The tories (like Labour) are a mish-mash of different parties
True. It would be great to get the extremists out of both main parties, the current system effectively legitimises their madness.
The culture wars is being driven by extremists on the right and left. The population majority - moderate centrists - are caught in the middle of what is effectively a large scale abusive relationship.
The far right wants to destroy democracy, the far left wants to destroy capitalism, both seek to replace it with totalitarian authoritarianism. They won't admit it, not all of them anyway, but history has shown the end result of their kinds of ideology.
Never again.
there were some moderate tories, now there really isn't.....
We have the same issue here in the States with the Democratic pary and the GOP.
yep i agree just like int eh Netherlands
What different parties compose the tories?
The First Past the Post system is ultimately to blame. It forces many different political groupings & ideologies into the 2 main parties.
there isnt an alternative tho
@@taknoef9195 pr?
@@taknoef9195*gestures broadly at most democracies in the world and almost all democracies in Europe*
@@taknoef9195 because the HOL or house of loads shot the alternative vote down because the two main parties will never get elected and the alternative vote would get rid of the HOL and they cannot have not now can they?
@@taknoef9195well really there are many options... you really only have to use google
Crazy how a monoparty results in vast incompetence almost every time but people still don't seem to know any better. Politicians won't work for you unless you force them to
I would like to support your view here... unfortunately watching from Germany with a "3 party coalition" ... I can't confirm your statement. If the Parties suck, it doesn't matter if it's one or many, they screw the wall each time
I think the biggest problem is at modern politics is all show. A politician doesn’t have to be competent. They just have to fool the voters into thinking they know what they’re doing.
I agree, the conservative party is split between those who hate Muslims more, and those who hate poor people more. Different priorities
@wotermelon_
The conservative and unionist party has been in power since 2015. In 2010 they were in coalition with the Liberal Democrats.
This sounds funny to a Finn. Finnish socialist party is led by a woman called Li Andersson 😅
löysin mitä etsin
Brill😂
@wotermelon_ because we don’t want to sound Swedish 😂
I doubt that she has remotely the same personality.
Ours is an alcoholic racist.
@wotermelon_ it’s just brotherly rivalry. Swedes are our neigbour and favorite enemy especially when it comes to hockey.
As a Canadian, this is so déjà vu. While nothing is exactly the same, history seems to like themes.
The Progressive Conservative Party (colloquially: the Tories) ruled from about '79 to '93 (there was a minority Liberal government in the middle briefly). After that, they imploded spectacularly from mismanagement of the economy and national debt.
The replacement party, in the eyes of the public, was called the Reform Party. They were far right instead of centre right. They became the official opposition instead of the Tories. Later they rebranded as The Canadian Alliance. Later they moved a little more centre right, bought the trademark from the remnants of the PC party, and rebranded (again) as the Conservative Party (aka. the Tories).
While the exact course may not follow, if Reform UK gets more seats than the Tories in the next election and then rebrands themselves as The British Alliance... this exists as record to prove to myself I'm not insane.
does canada do FPTP voting system?
I can't imagine Reform getting more than the Tories.
@@00dude3 The Canadian system of government is basically a directly transposed version of the British. First past the post voting system, an appointed upper chamber with members who sit for life, and a lower chamber called the House of Commons
@@LordDim1 Don't Canadian senators have to retire after a reaching a certain age?
@@jorritheijma7964 Yes, there is a retirement age of 75
This upcoming election reminds me a lot of the 1993 election in Canada. While I don’t think these Tories will be reduced to two seats, I could see them having much less than 100 seats if Reform does well.
You are tearing me apart Lisa!
Brilliant 😂
It's not true, it's bullshit. I'm not Islamophobic. I am not. Oh hi, Suella.
I did not do it, it’s bull, I did not do it. I did naaaawt!
@@alexfoley123oh hi Mark
EVERYBODY BETRAY ME! I am fed up with this world!
Liz, Boris and Theresa walks into a bar...
Sunak takes the bar down so that he won't walk into it like they did.
LOL!
Must be so nice to be a channel like TLDR news with the Tories just supplying an endless amount of chaotic content
It would be funny if it weren't so sad, the way the stories have destroyed this country
@@brandenburgquentinthe3rd532 it can be both
It's because they skip over other parties scandals, without covering them.
Eg the SNP opposition day being upended by Labour pressuring the speaker to accept their amendments on a bill.
@wotermelon_ no this happened within the past week.
There's not been a video about it, and no Erskine May (not the constitution) requires that opposition days, it was the SNP's, propose legislation and is voted yes or no.
Yet Hoyle broke the rules by allowing Labour amendments to it after being pressured into it by Keir Starmer.
It's likely the speaker gets replaced with multiple letters of no confidence.
Incidentally with the same root issue that they're going after Lee Anderson for.
@@SaintGerbilUKdo some extra research before making claims like this, it was a main news headline on their daily channel
I think the better question is 'When are the Tories NOT tearing themselves apart?'
To suspend Lee and not Suella after that is ridiculous 😂 They should both be gone
They are the only voices trying to save your backwater of a 3rd world colony.
Suella is untouchable. I wonder why
@@bcfcmarcelo $$$
Why?
The amusing thing is our entire parliament ceased to function last week and all we seem to be talking about is Lee Anderson. Our country no longer works. Think about that for a second.
wont someone think of the poor MPs, forced to face the consequences of their own policies and votes.
And now today only talked about liz truss.
Very unserious people
Your capital is being ruled by barbarian ooga booga fanatics and your country just yells about anyone who actually talks about the problem.
The tories are in a similar hole to Labour in the ‘80s, only way deeper.
Rather than running a few councils, their fringe entryists are in cabinet, are far more ideologically blinkered and much less competent.
By going to CPAC, under Trump and Bannon, Truss isn't the Tories' Corbyn, she's their Derek Hatton. And she was in charge of the country for 7 weeks...
Don't you dare to think the socialists are the same as these fascists.
"great party" Nothing even good about that bunch of crooks.
"there's a danger of getting into semantic"
- the only one getting into semantics was Dowden
This is why PR is better, yes you will get more right wing nuts, but at least it becomes an honest representation of what people are for
also coalitions are forced thing anyway and would probably help separate center-right tories get into more coalitions away from the loonies.
You still get right wing nuts in FPTP... they're just entryists in the tory party
PR encourages extremism from all sides. There's a reason the UK doesn't have an equivalent of AfD, or FN, or countless other parties. Our system requires that the candidates are those who will represent their constituency - that means that every individual must get elected individually. PR means you have a list of candidates in order of choice of party, meaning that if you want an MP from further down the list, but not the more extreme one further up the list... well, tough.
Also, worth pointing out that our system forces MPs to represent everyone equally, even those who didn't vote for them (although if you are unaware of what goes on in local politics, I can see why you might not realise how much that is the case), whereas PR means that MPs only job is to represent an ideology. Which again pushes MPs to extremes.
Give me our system over that any day of the week. Of course, it would be better still with a transferable vote system, which again means that the person elected represents the broadest possible number of people.
@@AfterthoughtbtwI disagree, but you managed to sell first-past-the-post with good points, and that has some merit
Good, having a representative party system can finally show us what people actually want and avoid exactly what is happening to the Tories, where they stand for nothing and annoy everybody. @@Afterthoughtbtw
Crazy having watched the tories and gop here in the US go through this situation kinda simultaneously, with leadership falling at odds and/or trying to walk the line
US and UK actually have a number of periods where their politics are oddly parallel and/or disturbingly similar (Reagan/Thatcher, Clinton presaging Blair, Brexit and Trump happening within months of each other; and that’s just a few since the late ‘70s, early ‘80s)
This is chickens coming home to roost. They elevated Anderson like a Frankenstein's monster and used him as a "usefull idiot" now they can't control him and he's calling the shots. When your enemy is making mistakes, do not intervene. [Bonaparte]
Its pretty obvious why the Tories aren’t united.
As the ‘broad church’ they are they recognize they will lose badly and are out for themselves.
Lee is saying what he thinks he needs to say in order to keep his voters with him at the election and knows they lap up this tripe. He doesnt care if it hurts Sunak as he knows he’ll be gone soon.
Why is calling out Islamism tripe?
@@0w784g mate, I don’t even care to waste my time on people like you who want to defend him. Bore off and watch GB News.
We’ve been indulging you idiots for far too long.
Because our society has become largely dominated by cowards who'd rather stick their heads in the sand and let our society fall apart to then scapegoat the right (Who by definition want to preserve society) than to risk calling out barbarism and making the unpleasant decisions that need to be done to save our society. We are plagued by a culture of lethargy and oikophobia that combined with out of touch and incompetent governments have made many people utterly disillusioned with the fate of wider society. These sorts of people only care about themselves and will become that which they despise as soon as Islamism impacts them personally which it certainly will at an increasing rate the longer we let these parasites linger and poison us.@@0w784g
They're not a broad church, they're almost without exception deranged far-right loonies. Anyone capable of independent thought (Hesseltine, Clarke, Patten) have long gone, left or purged in the run up to 2019.
Best description is UKIP with a new name-though UKIP were nowhere near as xenophobic or Islamophobic as this Conservative party
Uh oh, last time there was in-fighting like this in the Tory party we left the EU...
Their interests always come first, whilst the country and the people are suffering.
AS SOON AS JOHNSKI GOT IN YOU COULD SEE THIS HAPPEN A MILE OFF
Really good video that concisely explains the current situation. Good job folks👍
3:32 surprisingly reflective; not "truth to power" exactly, but for lack of a better expression. If Rehman Chrishti were my MP, this would boost my likelihood to vote for him.
The worst thing about Sunak losing is that he's going to accept losing while being a weak spined weasel instead of losing with some personal grace and confidence. I couldn't live with myself.
Love watching your videos, always informative and neutral, i think we all cant wait for these elections
Yes they are and it’s great to see .
Sunak is weak
And incapable to make babies
Don't bash on weak people, Sunak is a witless worm.
I think he would be a good PM if his party wasn’t so consumed with either hubris or exhaustion depending on the MP. Britain needs another party to take command since the Conservatives have finished all of their tasks and, like how one behaves after beating a video game, now is focused on causing chaos to entertain themselves since they’re willing to take the loss the next election.
They just keep digging themselves a bigger hole
I wish you could understand the way-I felt when I blocked that Scot trans bill-Woah oh oh oh oh oh-When did I start-Tearing us apart-Tearing us apa-art?
I hope so. Anything that’ll get these relics out of government as soon as possible.
labour is worse
Yes that way you can replace yourself with immigrants even faster, while your birth rates and your health system collapse.
This is all a consequence of the end of real debate in politics. We have a "I'm right, you're wrong, no debate needed." attitude, especially on the right. This attitude has spread from "My party is right, the others wrong" to factions within the party. Inevitably it will end in "I'm right, every one else is wrong".
It's amazing how they cover the Islamists in London making areas a no go on the weekend. Which apparently is causing death threats among Labour and Conservative MP's is now just a Conservative issue.
They act like Lee was crazy when he’s saying what most are seeing. Same with Suella
I have had payday loans taken out in my name and paid into someone else's bank account. My details have to be published as a company director. Why the bank or police could just not look at the account where the money was paid is just insane, but they don't unless it's about a murder.
Would Sunak theoretically be able to actually split the party into two unique parties, with the expectation that they would support each other in a coalition ?
He’d keep the party apparatus so the other side would be screwed. They’d probably just join Reform as many of the further right conservatives voter. They’d sabotage each other by splitting their vote and actually wipe each other out.
Because of the voting system, that is very unlikely to work well for them.
@@mr.netflix9149 just to clarify, this would also come with the agreement that the parties wouldn't compete with each other within each constituency.
@@andrewpotato6002 I guess it would depend on how the parties are split. If it is really just the more extreme part of the party splitting off, I don't see them actually being able to win a constituancy.
I like it when people mention your hometown, even in passing. 😊😊😊
god willing.
muh racism. Lol
Ah, the old Conservative mistake of saying the quiet part out loud. 😂
I’m so sick of hearing about all these horrible people
You're tearing me apart Lisa!
Please remove the phone ringing sounds from the ad read.
It would have been cool to recive a video on the election for the First Minister of Wales. Like you know, take advantage that their is a specific UK channel to speak of things outside Westminster?
Hey mate, can you make a video on what went on with the speaker? I have no clue and the news just say he broke unwritten rules or something?
Does anyone else think that Sunak may just throw in the white towel and resign before the election? Seriously, when was the last time the guy smiled? Dispite all his effort the tories just seem to be too fractured for him to possibly keep it together. Eventually he is going to have a breaking point, right?
Because fighting with themselves is a break from playing with themselves ! (their usual activity) LOL
do they really need a reason at this point? its force of habit
This division would have happened under Johnson or Truss. Perhaps for slightly different reasons but with the same force.
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Definitely yes
Even though I'm voting for Labour under Kier Starmer, the good thing about the rise of Reform is we get the right in its true form. The Conservative party is like a nutjob who's able to behave and appear sane by taking lots medication to manage their mental health disorder. Reform is what you get when they stop taking that medication.
Same, labour is the only party that can take down the Tories. Reform is just a bunch of racists and nationalists saying they will "reform" the UK but this is just froth, much like the Tories
It's not just the words.
Its the thrust of what he was saying
Anyone getting the peoples front of Judea vibes with the constant infighting?
What Have the Houses of Commons or Lords ever given us?
Thank you 30p Lee
Just break these two big parties up to become 4 big parties. Far Left, Center-Left, Center-Right, Far Right.
Bot the Tories & Labour are multiple parties into one & they end up not getting shit done cuz they get in their own way with in-fighting
If you get in bed with wolves and racists what did you think would happen
"I do actually believe that the Islamists..."
lol
A majority party acting as two minority's
Yes, yes, they are.
30p Lee😂😂😂
And we're not even talking about Truss sharing a platform with people who are cheering the demise of democracy and agreeing with Bannon that Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is a hero...
And listened to a call for the end of democracy ......... Where is the UK MSM on that ?
@@JamesBoslem-fh9grQuite. That's being conveniently ignored at the moment. It's really rather frustrating.
What's wrong with refuting Islamism?
@@0w784gConflating Islamism with all Muslims in the UK is dog whistle politics. Anderson and Braverman are not refuting Islamism, they are creating fear of Muslims by deliberately not making the difference clear - which is why he is rightly getting slammed for it, she should also be. But my point was about Liz Truss. You wouldn't be defending her by changing the subject, now would you?
What has he said that’s wrong?
We desperately need PR in the UK for any reasonable approximation of Democracy in the UK. The FPTP system is grossly unfair and undemocratic. Please petition your MP to push for PR!
Mmmm i don't know what people say today is taking wrong. We live in a free country where we can think or express ourselves freely.
The more they tear themselves apart the worse they'll make it for themselves in an Election and amy real recovery
Oh No, we are the only ones who suffer when the Tories start fighting one another.
Remember Brexit, wasn't that supposed to stop all this Tory infighting.
Fiddling while the world burns
Sunak should stop being pm
I agree with Lee
I agree but he can’t tell those statements on wider public. This statement is not equal to saying criminals are in charge of shadiq khan but rather Jews and white supremacists are in control of rishi sunak.
Lee is right, those who refuse to see it are Weak!
The Reform Party is like another party - the Monster Raving Loony Party.
How is criticizing a religion ‘racist’???
Mark my words, this Brexit was madness, it will destroy this country
😂😂😂 london already gone longtime ago I believe
Plutocrats vs. Culture Warriors. Always fun to watch from the sidelines.
Election after election, the Tories reckoned they were strong and stable, the Tories reckoned the opposition were a coalition of chaos.
What do voters reckon? Has the penny dropped yet?
Problem with trying to straddle a fence is that one's testicles are in a vulnerable location!
The clip of Oliver Dowden was painful to watch. No one should have to strain themselves so hard to accomplish such unreasonable mental gymnastics.
i didnt know the islamists have control of corn, of lundaun, and of storm as well
I remember when Suella Braverman was sacked, I thought she made some interesting points: that police were looking the other way at the violence during the Palestine protests. But Sunak replaced her with Cameron, a guy no one likes.
Conservatives should consider reforming to proportional representation instead of the first past the post system even just to save themselves. Everywhere except Scotland the left is United behind Labour while the right wing vote is split between 2 parties and within the Conservative party there are 2 factions both trying to break out.
If there was a system of proportional representation perhaps 2 or 3 or more right wing parties could gain a majority but right now it’s headed for a Labour supermajority
They should just tell the truth which is that "Islamophobia" is a pretend term made up by fascists to prevent criticism of radical Islamist extremists, in other words a back-door blasphemy law which only applies to one specific religion.
In that case you could say the same about antisemitism…
@@BigPurp9 Islamophobia is an inaccurate term
It should be called anti Muslim sentiment or bigotry
The word anti Semitism has been weaponised to shut down critics of Israel
It's a real term and a real problem, the right is incredibly racist and is very open about it
@@BigPurp9 Jews are a race. Islam isn't. Get a grip.
@@brandenburgquentinthe3rd532"unjustified fear" say that to Yezdis Syrian Christians
Lebanese Christian
Iraq
Armenians etc
Conservatives desperately trying to hold on to the many many racist votes in this country, it's what this is all about😂😂
British political party "try not to disintegrate for 5 minutes" challenge (impossible)
Support STV voting system for UK general election House of commons. UK general election in October England London Britain. Brilliant content. Spot on. Well said.
I think there's 2 issues crippling the tories atm, coming from an outsider, using my perspective of politics both here in Aus and abroad, and just the general shifts in politics world-wide
the first, and this is not in Aus, but in the US and UK it's crippling both, FPTP voting system, come on guys, we're in the 21st century now, wake up and use Preferential, it's a lot more flexible, and allows people to align with parties that align with their politics a lot better, this is both for voters and pollies, it also allows people to vote for smaller parties/candidates without "wasting their vote"
the second, and this I've felt here in Australia, badly in the US, and in this Tory implosion, the far right know their days are numbered, so they wanna hold onto power and make decisions for as long as possible, and try to drag enough people from centrist views to the right, they know their days are numbered because look at worldwide voting positions, the right drops off a cliff when you go under about 30, 35, the far right off a bigger cliff, the Liberal/National coalition in Australia is being dragged further right, the Tories in the UK, the Republicans in the US, I'm sure if I looked into other nations similar stories can be found, whilst maybe I'm not bang on the cause, I still think it's a reasonable enough theory, these old, far right people doing their damage whilst they're still in power before the younger generation finally takes over
for countries like Australia with PF, I think it's being felt even harder because they know how numbered their days are, it's looking like here that give it 4-5 more election cycles and the Coalition will be the third party and the two duking it out will be the Centre-Left labor and the Left-wing Greens party, the political landscape is changing and I do think these right-wing parties know it, and that fear may be driving these further right sections of all of them
It seems rational to me, if you think that your party is going to lose anyway, and you're mainly self-interested, to plan for your future in opposition rather than to try futilely to help your party win.
2:37 *Enoch Powell has entered the chat *
Everyone makes the note about FPTP causing big tent parties. And that is true.
But it’s also clearly Sunak’s lack of leadership overall. Say what you want about any of his predecessors since Cameron. But they all fell on one side, One Nation or far on the right. Sunak has been consistently trying to play both sides. And when you half-ass where you stand it all goes to hell.
All this is a sad reminder to British Muslims that we do not belong in this country. I cannot vote for either Conservatives or Labour, knowing they do not care about myself or those like me. I’m likely just going to vote for the greens.
go back
Is this not a good signal? Maybe this is a sign that more parties are appearing?
Coming from an American, this is odd. At lesst where I live, that would hardly cause a blip in the media (depending on the level of who said that, of course). Islamophobia is still incredibly widespread and accepted in America, at least from what I have seen.
I wonder if they'll sack sunak b4 the election 😅
Theres going to be a lot of CZcams channels struggling for content when the Tories are eventually thrown out of power. They are the gift that keeps on giving. A train crash playing out in slow time. Incredible.
What makes you think it can't get worse?
@@0w784g oh it'll get worse. I'm confident it'll get much worse. As a result of multiple factors, chiefly Brexit and economical incompetence we are in a doom spiral that no government will be able to pull us out of. I'm sure of it. But that farcical incompetence of the current Tory party can't be topped.
I love it whenever the Conservative Party pulls itself apart.
Persia turned Iran, Gandhar became Afghanistan, Constantinople became Istanbul be ready for Gazwa-E-England. Rather whole Europe apart from Poland
Omg the Tories are so right wing it’s actually comical
Are the Tories Tearing Themselves Apart?
Yes, but sadly, only metaphorically.
8:07 the rings calls are annoying
Unacceptable? Said by an unelected
The number of videos on this channel that primarily focus on how the conservatives are doing poorly and are essentially terrible, while claiming to be neutral is pretty confusing for me 🤔
Signaling someone, specially a political rival, just on grounds of ethnicity, religious or cultural background seems awful. Criticize him for his actions or words, not for his origins. I'm not British but I doubt Khan, as a Labour politician, is exactly an islamist/yihadist...
That is different however from critizicing a religion and the perverse influence it may have on society, specially if it's backwards thibking and denies the rights of a good part of its citizens.
Very different topics.
yes and its great.There may not be a conservative party soon.I am so happy.
Our politicians are being openly threatened by religious extremists and the focus is on the clumsy response of a Tory MP. Kinda weird really. Ignoring the underlying issue.
What religious extremists? The only religious extremists are the church of England controlling the tories!