Recommendation: don’t ever use two shims (hockey pucks). It has a high potential of slipping off no matter what. Find one shim that is grippy and large enough to make up that gap.
You are the HOCKEY *UCK. You belong in the Penalty box for failure to follow common sense. 1. Jacking up a vehicle without the jack pad raised edge positioned to keep the jack from sliding out from under the car. 2. The wheels on the jack were against the raise broken concrete garage floor, as seen in the video, so the jack could not roll under the car as it is supposed to do. The jack was not on hard level ground as required per operating manual. In essence you had chocked the wheels, against the broken concrete, on the jack so no way they could roll. 3. The car was on a ramps adding to instability to what you were doing. 4. 2 hockey pucks caused 2 goals against the losing player. The referee would charge you with 2 penalties, one for having 2 pucks in play at the same time , a major penalty and ejected from the game with a 2 game suspension and the second penalty for ban equipment being used, a puck was not allowed in play at all. 🏒 the conclusion. You weren't hurt, you have a valuable teaching example learned first hand.
You make a good point. With those loads and 2 bodies of shims. Unless we’re professional mechanics and doing all this stuff on a daily basis, mistakes can naturally happen. How would you attack this problem. Would you put a Jack on the sides in that fashion.
The hockey pucks were the source of the problem. The pinch weld device is made to drop into the floor jack cup, and uses the lip of the cup to ensure the jack rolls and stays somewhat centered. The device needed rather than the puck was a floor jack extension. It goes between the floor jack and cup to lift the cup while keeping the centering properties and still locking into the alignment hole. They are common for off-road vehicles. Homemade versions are often made of a piece of 1/4" wall 3"x3" or 4"x4" square steel tube with a hole drilled into the top to receive the cup and a 1" piece of pipe welded on the bottom to lock into the jack.
it's not the source but it contributed to the issue by being the weak point in a series of user error. A floorjack has an arc movement when lifting. Pay attention to the jack base. It doesn't move at all until the car comes down on it. Look at the swivel wheels of the jack. It's perpendicular to the front wheels. If the swivel wheels were positioned correctly, it would have went up no problem. Or if he was jacking it up off the actual saddle, the load would force the wheels straight and allow the jack base properly keep in alignment with the jack point. Instead the load overcomes the stack of pucks before the swivel wheels. Daystar KU31002 lifting pad, +5.5 inch of height and fits securely over the typical Chinese floor jack saddles.
Ever since when I first watched your video where the car slipped off the jack, I had a fear that it would happen to me every time I work on my car. But after watching this video, it totally makes sense. Yes the jack is supposed to roll forward with the car as you jack it up. So I can understand how and why the car slipped off the jack. I’m glad you got your car fixed and thank you for uploading this video because it helps us all and we all can learn from each other’s mistake.
Props to you for at least posting the incident and then clarifying later. Everyone makes mistakes when doing their own work at home; just have to learn from them. I’ve definitely had my fair share over the years with my old Cobra’s lol.
Exactly. Way to man up and own it. Everyone makes mistakes and we learn from them. That’s why most of the people are watching this video…. Hahaha. Thanks for positing
The problem wasn't the pucks, or the red pinch piece. The problem was that you were using a floor Jack on a very,very rough concrete floor that wouldn't allow the jack's wheels to move forward. If the jack's wheels can't move forward, the jack can't move forward. If you had tried to do this again, using the same pucks and red piece--on a normal, smooth concert floor--you wouldn't have had a problem. Thank you for posting this video. You have saved many DIY mechanics from falling into the same issue. So, you were at fault. But many of us may have made the same mistake of not using a floor Jack on a smooth concrete surface
@michaeld.3779 beg to differ: I CONSTANTLY jack on a broken cracked old pos garage floor, or on a sunken uneven driveway. Never once have I had my floor jack not roll. He should have used a slotted 4x4 or a floor jack with an extended saddle.
@@richcombs4805 you'll get into same accident if your floor jack doesn't roll. It should roll and the uneven floor cause it to get stuck and will the cause the pucks to tilt. What you believe is very wrong and you should listen to what @michaeld.3779 posted.
I think what @@richcombs4805 meant was that not once has his floor jack gotten stuck because of pos garage floors. I think you guys read his comment wrong?
Props to you for showing this epic failure. Most people never post bad experiences like this, especially this bad. Good information for everyone because you don't think about how the jack moves, and the danger of not connecting the two pucks together with something. Hope everything is better for you and your car these days.
Hey, accidents do happen, but listening to you explain the situation was pretty funny honestly. It would be like listening to somebody after a ladder accident explain how their ladder wouldn't reach so they just stacked a few four by fours underneath the ladder legs so they could reach and then it fell. That was a painful video to watch though.
Thank you for explaining this accident. It's impossible to imagine every potential mishap that could happen, so you sharing this learning experience helps others.
There were so many red flags this guy decided to blatantly ignore, nah accidents like this don't happen to anyone, this takes a special amount of careless disregard to common sense safety practices
thanks for posting to show the rest of us what not to do when jacking up a car, your pain is not in vain if it has saved someone else from misery - glad to see you got her fixed!
When I saw that concrete, I immediately knew the reason for the accident. That's something I always have looked out for (the jack being able to roll). That had to be a sickening feeling, and I hate that your car was damaged! Looks like a sweet ride - glad you got it fixed up (even better than it was, it looks like)!
Brave of you to share what happened and feel so sad for your car. Happy to see you got it repaired and you're doing well. It's indeed good to check and practice how the floor jack "slides in" and get the perfect conccrete patch before you start. And to restart the jacking session of your in doubt. But it could have happened to anyone.
What you explained makes perfect sense, and yes, it is helpful to know. Just glad that you and your little assistant didn't get injured! Thanks for sharing.
That and where he went isnt the actual pinch weld, well at least not the one for lifting!! By the looks of it im pretty sure the pinchweld youd actually lift the car from would be under the side skirts, which means go 1 foot in more from where he though the pinch weld is and boom the strongest point of the car THE FRAME
@@skliros9235 lol the fucker missed the lift point, and was on it with a janky hockey puck stack for some reason. He also didn’t align the jack properly. No idea where he got the confidence to just start pumping that thing up. You’re both half right on the rear being lifted idea… the weight being shifted is not the problem. The pucks would have slipped regardless, and he wasn’t even on a seam. The weight transfer toward the front is pretty minimal, it’s the fact the rear axle is fixed at its location relative to others on the car… this means you create a force line when you go to lift it with the jack, sliding the car with deltic deflection
so how do you do it now? different jack? i did mine the other day and i was stressing out lol... my jack was not moving in, and this was on pavement. it did start to move in some as it got higher, but i see people use them in gravel. and lets not even talk abut the jack stands.... mine and most have this V shape and really does not fit right on those pinch welds. thanks for sharing..
Hey bro, you got off pretty well. I was inexperienced and jacked up my 500hp s15 from the front using a plank of wood to help bridge the gap between the jacking point and the jack, long story short, the plan of wood was actually dry rotted from the inside, it snapped and the jack went through my sump and ruined my oil pickup and dented my block :))) I feel ya, I was legit depressed for a good 5 months until I repaired it. Lesson learnt
I had a guy working at the tire store put a jack under my Mustang without looking under the car and began trying to jack it up by the rocker panel instead of the correct location, I was watching him and told him to stop probably avoiding severe damage, As it was it still put a minor crease under the rocker panel, and there is no such thing as a good dent regardless where it's located.
This was crazy to watch man. I'm glad you made this video because it shows the reality of what is possible using jacks. I don't care how many times I use jacks and stands, I'm still nervous for my safety, my car and will these things hold the car up each time.
i have to say, everytime i try to jack my car up or see anyone do it...i relive this clip over and over...thanks for revisiting and explaining what happened Mr Gosling
Glad you posted your video of what happened. Watching the video of the mishap, I have to say I shared the "OH SH*T!" moment you must have had, but of course many times removed. My first thought was that you had unfortunately picked the wrong spot to jack up the vehicle. Kudos to you for explaining what happened, and possibly saving someone else from the same sort of accident.
I feel for you in every way. Especially working on old rotten cars. It's why I never even trust jackpoints on older vehicles, I go straight to the frame if I can, and if it's too low, I ramp that shit. Half the time anymore I don't even use jacks, just use small gradual profile ramps if I can get away with it.
When I first saw the video I had all the sympathy in the woworld for you! Thanks for the explanation. Much respect to you fellow Lexus peep! You have a Beautiful Lexus ISF
Wow that jack setup was way worse than I thought. That's exactly what happens when you buy gimmick tools & don't buy the right tool for the job in the first place.
Also the GSF Jack point is located at the front of the car. If he read page 394 of his user manual he would of known that you Jack the car up directly in front or directly behind the car.
I have a 2008 GS350 AWD. Great car. Very reliable. I have about 260k miles on it right now and still going strong with just routine maintenance. Never any major problems.
It's not car design that's the problem it's stupid people who mods and lower their cars way too low then factory height this is the reason I don't lower my car I keep it stock height makes it easier going over speed bumps too don't really care if it's doesn't look as good as a lower car but least it's more practical.
It makes' me laugh every time I see young drivers in their lowered BMW'S suddenly break to go over speed humps making that awful scraping noise as they gingerly move over the bump.@@abcwarrior91
First time seeing the update. Don't like the pucks, but i get it. I would drive in nose first on a set of race ramps. Nice and long, low clearance no problem. Then you can jack the rear with a block of wood at the diff. and slide in some Esco flat top jack stands at your non pinch weld factory lift points. You need a quickjack, they're money. If you can change only one thing, buy a Daystar KU31002. Thanks for sharing.
In this type of situations when I have my ramps on rear wheels I use the oem jack to lift a few inches to clear the side skirt on my IS-F and than use the bigger jack on frame, the hockey pucks where the issue there.
Moral of the story: Do NOT use moving parts on a jack’s contact with the jacking point. You may have saved the car by using the jack that comes stock with that car.
I still think a variable was the rear was on a ramp stand as well. As for the difficulty getting to the pinch weld in that case you could have just jacked it off one of the front or rear axle points fixed structures etc
Wow. I can see this potentially happening to me. I so freak out everytime i lift the car im chekcing multiple times. Thanks for sharing. Curious, how much did it cost to get thebcar fixed?
Respect to you for showing the lesson learned. Painful experience. Multiple issues involved: 1. rough underground preventing free movement (automatic alignment) of the trolley jack, 2. never use intermediary pieces that are not securely held/anchored to the jack and vehicle, i.e. prevented from vertical AND lateral displacement. The vehicle weight (compressive load) will not prevent lateral movement (shear), so the pucks/attachments can easily be 'pressed' out of position, 3. wrong jack. If the jack will not fit without using multiple loose lifting attachments/inserts, a different jack should be used, e.g. hydraulic bottle jack, scissor jack, air jack etc. Again, it's important that people don't point fingers, but understand the lesson. As the car is lifted by the jack, it changes lateral position (more, or less, depending on the amount of lift, type of suspension system and wheel size etc.), and 'pulls' on the jack. Trolley jacks follow the movement. Solid jacks compensate by leaning. Air jacks flex. Ideal is a trolley jack with good wheels on a solid smooth surface, or an air jack.
Had the exact same thing happen to my Mercedes A Class, damaging side skirt and door. £450 repair 😢. Any way to bend the bottom of the door back into shape?
My advice as a professional auto tech is to never jack up from the pinch welds, always go to the frame rail, and place your jackstands there as well. Wider surface as well which can reduce jack slippage, and might have allowed you to use the jack without the hockey pucks. Oil your jack wheels as well, the amount of friction on those wheel with a load is pretty crazy.
Thanks to this mentality my S13's frame rails are all folded up like an accordion. The pinch welds are fine if used correctly,, and the frame rails were never meant to support the weight of the car from one small point. Please stop destroying the undercarriage of cars.
I am now paranoid any time my GSF goes in for a service, tyre change etc. Hindsight is a wonderful thing so we all can be wise after the event. I feel the rear being on the ramps possibly contributed. With the rear on the ground, both rear wheels continue to support the car. In the video the rear wheel can be clearly seen to rise so there was a lot of extra weight on the jacking point/dollies which probably made matters worse.
You’re talking about the rear elevated being a contributing factor, how? You can’t hack all 4 corners up at one time so there’s always gonna be a point where wheels are off the ground whilst others still need jacking.
@@fieldmarshaljoe please tell me you aren't suggesting that you would raise the car (using a jack under one of those jacking points) sufficiently high enough to enable an axle stand to be placed under the opposite jacking point on the same side!!?? There are designated jacking points at both front and rear centres of a car to raise one end of the car in its entirety so that 2 axle stands can be inserted at the same time. The sill area jacking points are only intended for to lift just one corner at a time rather than the whole of one side of a car...remember main dealers where cars are really intended by manufacturers to be serviced don't tend to use axle stands. They use all 4 lifting points together on a lift with the car perfectly level. Other than that those lifting points are meant to be used for a corner to be raised and supported by a scissor jack to change a wheel with a flat.
@@pielight7449 we aren’t talking about axel stands though are we? He’s clearly using ramps. I’m not talking about lifting one side of the car up on one pinch point and putting a stand under the opposite side, I’m talking about jacking one side of the car up on the pinch point and putting a ramp underneath the wheel
@@fieldmarshaljoe OK let's rewind. My comment you responded to actually was talking about lifting the whole side of the car from one jacking point so if you weren't talking about that you weren't addressing my point at all. Whether it was an axle stand or ramp supporting the back end was not relevant. . My comment was about 2 wheels on the same side being lifted from a single jacking point and it is very clear in the video that happens. My second point was that the rear being raised higher than front would transfer even more weight onto that single jacking point. I'm at a loss as to the point you are challenging.
@@pielight7449 right. Let’s imagine the car is flat, you want to put ramps under each wheel but you can’t use the centre rear and centre front Jack points, you can only use the 4 side Jack points, and let’s change it so we lift the front first as opposed to the back like you’re suggesting is causing the issue. Jack on the front right corner, lifts the front right up: put ramp under front right. Jack on the front left corner, lifts the front left up: put ramp under front right. Jack on the rear right corner, once you start lifting this corner the weight balances between this corner and opposite front corner, meaning the rear right will lift with the Jack and the front right will also lift with the Jack.. It’s literally the same scenario as this video except you’ve swapped the existing ramps to the front instead of back lol. This always happens when jacking a car onto 4 ramps using just the 4 corners
How does this man not know that the hockey pucks were the reason for this happening? We understand you need the extra clearance, but hockey pucks are not the freaking tool for this job my dude. Holy hell!
This is the exact reason I am in the process of putting down cement in my garage to fill in all of the pitted areas that just happened to be right behind the front tires. I have only owned this house for a year and I'm guessing someone used this garage a lot for car repairs, which is what a garage is for. I suggest Quikrete re-cap concrete resurfacer. Even a rookie in concrete like me can do this job good enough with this stuff and it won't kill the wallet like a slipping jack will!
Still feeling with your hands is not as definitive as just using your eyes and watching as the vehicle goes up. Since you felt with your hands and not looked with your eyes it’s clear it slipped off the pucks because you probably didn’t have it centred enough on the pucks.
You should buy the proper stuff. That jack is nice and works great, harbor freight makes good shit for the “MONEY!” (Meaning best of the cheap shit) You have an expensive car, spend some money next time and buy a jack with locking jack height extenders. Solid connection. If I jacked up any of my cars it must be positive connection 100%. Those pucks are shit in my opinion, they should only be used 1 at a time, (never stacked) or when a vehicle is being lifted all four corners at once to avoid an extreme angle. (Never stacked as well) That angle was created by the car leaning to one side and it slipped off. Still your fault in my book!!! Lesson learned!!!!
I would hope so, especially after that happening. Could have been much worse. Let’s say he was under that car. His wife would have found him, GOD FORBID! So many men are found dead under cars! Don’t like horror stories! If you work on your car, have the proper equipment and read constantly about cribbing/ blocking/jacking/or lifting up vehicles properly.
Great video! I am curious if you have come up with a better way to jack your car up. FWIW, it totally makes sense that the pucks might slip before the jack moved. Really depends on the friction force between the pucks vs the friction forces at the jack wheels.
The rear was good but what do you have under the driver side of the car when you lift the car up because i see the driverside leaning down when you lift the passenger side so i think that causes the hockey puks to slide
Keep on learning as you go along. Accept constructive criticism and rightly call out the ones that are haters. Your videos are appreciated as there really isn't a boat load of GS DIY videos on CZcams.
Stance family problems, definitely a challenging car to lift. Stay safe my dude. Maybe consider getting an electronic scissor jack. Or use an impact wrench on a regular scissor jack for ease of use.
Dude!!!!! Amazing Analysis... This tells me I don't have to worry about jacking my car up in that location. Just as long as my jack + gadget do not slip I am ok! Thanks for the demonstration.
Hey, my respects to you for not only showing what went wrong but videoing how it went wrong. Many do not show their flaws or shortfalls. But just as important, you may very well have saved someone else some heartache.
The other issue is the ledge in the concrete fails to allow the jack to walk in as the car goes up, thus making the jack head shoot an arc, rather than go straight up.
I don’t like using the Jack points on newer cars. I try to get a little further in to that part that looks more like a traditional frame or even put it under the control arm. I will use the pinch weld if I need to but it feels weak. Lifting lowered cars is always a pain.
I roll up on blocks and lift from the sub-frame and differential. Even so, this almost happened to me, because a pebble stopped my jack from rolling. Ever since that moment I sweep the floor, and look like 20 times to make sure the jack has not moved. I understand the pain you felt.
A trick I learned is to use a block of wood and a used brake pad. Place the block of wood on the floor jack landing then place the breakpad with linner facing up under the lift point. Also you could push a little on the jack to help it roll. Note the break pad will protect the wood from splitting. If jack cant roll then abandon this and use a scissors jack instead.
Nice job breakin down what happened and that things just sometimes happen even when you assume your all good.. i was genuinely curious where it went wrong! You're jack did slide tho.. just at the wrong time and going the wrong direction :/ When it fell tho, did it only mess up the carbon and the body under the doors or did it catch the front door and some of the flooring?
Thanks alot for the video. I had those vehicle ramps slip underneath my car as I was driving it up one day. The car fell and I heard a loud thud. I was so worried I damaged something but luckily the car wasn't damaged to my suprise. Now I just ask my brother to help me with that.
Still the big mistake is not using his eyes and watching the car underneath as he jacks up. I don’t care how good you are get on the ground double triple check jack slowly. This guy just started pumping the jack so fast and the cracking noise was not his ramps that was the car 100%.
If you’re wrenching at home , Jack up somewhere sturdy like frame rail, control arm, or beneath the shock. The pinch welds are only meant to be used when every corner is being lifted at once. They will crush every time with a floor jack.
I don’t think the shitty concrete was the real reason the jack did not move inwards. It didn’t move, because thanks to the two slippery pucks, it wasn’t forced enough to move inwards. I would highly recommend to use one piece of wood instead if two hockey pucks.
It was still your fault. You can't redo it. Whats done has been done and you cant go back and try to show us it wasn't your fault. Shit happens move on. No need to make this video lmao
Always if using jack exatenions/hockey pucks always ensure that they bolt down onto the actual jack pad or some locking mechanism that provides a mechanical bond. Burton the bright side it wasn’t a failure it was just another life lesson, ad I can tell by your demeanor you understand that concept. Great video this will teach/ save millions. Keep it up!!
Another CZcamsr showed how his truck he just finished restoring fell off the improvised wood block spacers he used with his 2-post lift for a similar reach issue. These things happen even if nothing happened the last 100 times before. It is just a dangerous thing. Good on you to put your mistakes out there. We've all had lucky near misses that could have turned out bad like yours but never had opportunity to share or even recorded them.
So if you look in your owners manual, they show where the actual lift points are at. They arent on the sides of the car, one in front, one in back. Using the pinch welds is asking for trouble.
I felt that mate! Same happened to me the other day. My Audi A8 has this plastic part 4H0802845B clipped on the sill under the car and the jack engages into a slot in it. Unfortunately due to lumps in the concrete, the jack did not creep forwards and pulled this part 4H0802845B off (ripped the plastic clips) and it slipped on the sill metalwork and hit the plastic sill cover and stuffed itself under it, luckily it went back to shape with a hairdryer. I bought a new part and added big blobs of silicone to hopefully hold it on better. I would recommend anyone to use a small sheet of plywood if the ground is not smooth.
I like that bracket for the pinch weld I'm only looking at this. Video because car x flattened all of my places to put my floor jacks and was wondering how I was going to straighten my out .I thought mine where really flimsy On my 2002 Buick lesabre
Great video, glad ya got it fixed up. My buddy told me about this and said if I keep using a puck it’s going to dry rot and fail me one day:/ so I’ve been using wood but don’t know what else I could try. Since I know wood will dry rot aswell but shows signs easier
Soon as i saw the 2 pucks, all i thought was “tell me how you didnt do this wrong”. 😂😂😂
true
No shit
game over killed by 2 pucks !...
The Honda guys just switched to different platforms is all
Would like this comment but already has 69 likes. But my thoughts exactly.
Recommendation: don’t ever use two shims (hockey pucks). It has a high potential of slipping off no matter what. Find one shim that is grippy and large enough to make up that gap.
First thing I thought as soon as I saw that…..
Or superglue them together might work and then wrap it in duct tape
You are the HOCKEY *UCK. You belong in the Penalty box for failure to follow common sense.
1. Jacking up a vehicle without the jack pad raised edge positioned to keep the jack from sliding out from under the car.
2. The wheels on the jack were against the raise broken concrete garage floor, as seen in the video, so the jack could not roll under the car as it is supposed to do. The jack was not on hard level ground as required per operating manual. In essence you had chocked the wheels, against the broken concrete, on the jack so no way they could roll.
3. The car was on a ramps adding to instability to what you were doing.
4. 2 hockey pucks caused 2 goals against the losing player. The referee would charge you with 2 penalties, one for having 2 pucks in play at the same time , a major penalty and ejected from the game with a 2 game suspension and the second penalty for ban equipment being used, a puck was not allowed in play at all. 🏒
the conclusion. You weren't hurt, you have a valuable teaching example learned first hand.
@@josephyang3260 Is your glue and tape rated to lift 3,000 lbs?
You make a good point. With those loads and 2 bodies of shims. Unless we’re professional mechanics and doing all this stuff on a daily basis, mistakes can naturally happen.
How would you attack this problem. Would you put a Jack on the sides in that fashion.
The hockey pucks were the source of the problem. The pinch weld device is made to drop into the floor jack cup, and uses the lip of the cup to ensure the jack rolls and stays somewhat centered. The device needed rather than the puck was a floor jack extension. It goes between the floor jack and cup to lift the cup while keeping the centering properties and still locking into the alignment hole. They are common for off-road vehicles. Homemade versions are often made of a piece of 1/4" wall 3"x3" or 4"x4" square steel tube with a hole drilled into the top to receive the cup and a 1" piece of pipe welded on the bottom to lock into the jack.
it's not the source but it contributed to the issue by being the weak point in a series of user error. A floorjack has an arc movement when lifting. Pay attention to the jack base. It doesn't move at all until the car comes down on it. Look at the swivel wheels of the jack. It's perpendicular to the front wheels. If the swivel wheels were positioned correctly, it would have went up no problem. Or if he was jacking it up off the actual saddle, the load would force the wheels straight and allow the jack base properly keep in alignment with the jack point. Instead the load overcomes the stack of pucks before the swivel wheels. Daystar KU31002 lifting pad, +5.5 inch of height and fits securely over the typical Chinese floor jack saddles.
Lifting your car on 2 hockey pucks and thinkin it’s ganna hold up is wild. I don’t know how u didn’t think it’d slip
why noah mad
Ever since when I first watched your video where the car slipped off the jack, I had a fear that it would happen to me every time I work on my car. But after watching this video, it totally makes sense. Yes the jack is supposed to roll forward with the car as you jack it up. So I can understand how and why the car slipped off the jack. I’m glad you got your car fixed and thank you for uploading this video because it helps us all and we all can learn from each other’s mistake.
Thanks brother
Which Jack & other shim is the best for the Lexus?
Just don’t do anything this guy does and you’ll be fine.
Just do it properly and you will be good.
@@OkiDingo lmaooo fax
Props to you for at least posting the incident and then clarifying later. Everyone makes mistakes when doing their own work at home; just have to learn from them. I’ve definitely had my fair share over the years with my old Cobra’s lol.
Appreciate you.
Exactly. Way to man up and own it. Everyone makes mistakes and we learn from them. That’s why most of the people are watching this video…. Hahaha.
Thanks for positing
Always better to learn from someone else's mistakes.
The problem wasn't the pucks, or the red pinch piece. The problem was that you were using a floor Jack on a very,very rough concrete floor that wouldn't allow the jack's wheels to move forward. If the jack's wheels can't move forward, the jack can't move forward. If you had tried to do this again, using the same pucks and red piece--on a normal, smooth concert floor--you wouldn't have had a problem.
Thank you for posting this video. You have saved many DIY mechanics from falling into the same issue. So, you were at fault. But many of us may have made the same mistake of not using a floor Jack on a smooth concrete surface
@michaeld.3779 beg to differ: I CONSTANTLY jack on a broken cracked old pos garage floor, or on a sunken uneven driveway. Never once have I had my floor jack not roll. He should have used a slotted 4x4 or a floor jack with an extended saddle.
@@richcombs4805 you'll get into same accident if your floor jack doesn't roll. It should roll and the uneven floor cause it to get stuck and will the cause the pucks to tilt. What you believe is very wrong and you should listen to what @michaeld.3779 posted.
@@richcombs4805 He's right, you are not.
I think what @@richcombs4805 meant was that not once has his floor jack gotten stuck because of pos garage floors. I think you guys read his comment wrong?
Props to you for showing this epic failure. Most people never post bad experiences like this, especially this bad. Good information for everyone because you don't think about how the jack moves, and the danger of not connecting the two pucks together with something. Hope everything is better for you and your car these days.
Hey, accidents do happen, but listening to you explain the situation was pretty funny honestly. It would be like listening to somebody after a ladder accident explain how their ladder wouldn't reach so they just stacked a few four by fours underneath the ladder legs so they could reach and then it fell. That was a painful video to watch though.
This.
Thank you for explaining this accident. It's impossible to imagine every potential mishap that could happen, so you sharing this learning experience helps others.
There were so many red flags this guy decided to blatantly ignore, nah accidents like this don't happen to anyone, this takes a special amount of careless disregard to common sense safety practices
thanks for posting to show the rest of us what not to do when jacking up a car, your pain is not in vain if it has saved someone else from misery - glad to see you got her fixed!
When I saw that concrete, I immediately knew the reason for the accident. That's something I always have looked out for (the jack being able to roll). That had to be a sickening feeling, and I hate that your car was damaged! Looks like a sweet ride - glad you got it fixed up (even better than it was, it looks like)!
Me too, but only because of a similar experience. The concrete outdoors is usually roughed up in my country, to help wet/ice grip.
The jack is supposed to roll when jacking.
@@solowundesignsbysamdavis9043
It won't roll in that messed up uneven concrete
So much respect to you for visiting this painful event
Ohh man everyday I get comments on this
I have seen bricks and pavers crush under the weight. I always use a block of wood with the grain 90 degrees to the seam
Sore lips?
Dude, thanks for the update…I agree with you. Seeing your car come down on the jack was painful. We all know how bad you felt. Keep your chin up!
Thanks bro
Brave of you to share what happened and feel so sad for your car. Happy to see you got it repaired and you're doing well. It's indeed good to check and practice how the floor jack "slides in" and get the perfect conccrete patch before you start. And to restart the jacking session of your in doubt. But it could have happened to anyone.
What you explained makes perfect sense, and yes, it is helpful to know. Just glad that you and your little assistant didn't get injured! Thanks for sharing.
The cause was that your rear was in the air. It actually shifts quite a bit of weight to the already heavy front when you tip it forward.
That and where he went isnt the actual pinch weld, well at least not the one for lifting!! By the looks of it im pretty sure the pinchweld youd actually lift the car from would be under the side skirts, which means go 1 foot in more from where he though the pinch weld is and boom the strongest point of the car THE FRAME
You have no clue what you're talking 😂
@skliros I'm sorry that you failed physics class.
@@dumpjeep keep trying bud 🤣 you'd have to lift the rear a few feet to get any significant weight shift to the front.
@@skliros9235 lol the fucker missed the lift point, and was on it with a janky hockey puck stack for some reason. He also didn’t align the jack properly. No idea where he got the confidence to just start pumping that thing up.
You’re both half right on the rear being lifted idea… the weight being shifted is not the problem. The pucks would have slipped regardless, and he wasn’t even on a seam. The weight transfer toward the front is pretty minimal, it’s the fact the rear axle is fixed at its location relative to others on the car… this means you create a force line when you go to lift it with the jack, sliding the car with deltic deflection
Make sure the Jack is walking under the car, your Jack wasn’t walking because it was stuck on something. (Your Jack wasn’t rolling under the car)
so how do you do it now? different jack? i did mine the other day and i was stressing out lol... my jack was not moving in, and this was on pavement. it did start to move in some as it got higher, but i see people use them in gravel. and lets not even talk abut the jack stands.... mine and most have this V shape and really does not fit right on those pinch welds. thanks for sharing..
Hey bro, you got off pretty well. I was inexperienced and jacked up my 500hp s15 from the front using a plank of wood to help bridge the gap between the jacking point and the jack, long story short, the plan of wood was actually dry rotted from the inside, it snapped and the jack went through my sump and ruined my oil pickup and dented my block :)))
I feel ya, I was legit depressed for a good 5 months until I repaired it. Lesson learnt
Ouch. Dam
Both of you were punished for being stupid, glad you both learned from it
If it's not rated for the lift you are doing, don't use it.
Never use wood. It can fail unexpectedly.
I had a guy working at the tire store put a jack under my Mustang without looking under the car and began trying to jack it up by the rocker panel instead of the correct location, I was watching him and told him to stop probably avoiding severe damage, As it was it still put a minor crease under the rocker panel, and there is no such thing as a good dent regardless where it's located.
Happened to my wife's Mustang as well. She got new tires installed. Didn't notice the damage until it was too late.
This was crazy to watch man. I'm glad you made this video because it shows the reality of what is possible using jacks. I don't care how many times I use jacks and stands, I'm still nervous for my safety, my car and will these things hold the car up each time.
"I didn't do anything dumb, I did something equally dumb and it's justified because my jack doesn't work for that car."
i have to say, everytime i try to jack my car up or see anyone do it...i relive this clip over and over...thanks for revisiting and explaining what happened Mr Gosling
Glad you posted your video of what happened.
Watching the video of the mishap, I have to say I shared the "OH SH*T!" moment you must have had, but of course many times removed.
My first thought was that you had unfortunately picked the wrong spot to jack up the vehicle.
Kudos to you for explaining what happened, and possibly saving someone else from the same sort of accident.
I feel for you in every way. Especially working on old rotten cars. It's why I never even trust jackpoints on older vehicles, I go straight to the frame if I can, and if it's too low, I ramp that shit. Half the time anymore I don't even use jacks, just use small gradual profile ramps if I can get away with it.
It takes a lot for a man to admit his mistakes. It takes even more to share that mistake with the world. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING YOUR FELLOW MAN first.
When I first saw the video I had all the sympathy in the woworld for you! Thanks for the explanation. Much respect to you fellow Lexus peep! You have a Beautiful Lexus ISF
Gsf
Wow that jack setup was way worse than I thought. That's exactly what happens when you buy gimmick tools & don't buy the right tool for the job in the first place.
Exactly
Also the GSF Jack point is located at the front of the car. If he read page 394 of his user manual he would of known that you Jack the car up directly in front or directly behind the car.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Lifting a car is so dangerous. Having an accident a long time ago taught me how many things can go wrong
I am glad you didn't get hurt, it's just an expensive lesson that we all can learn from.
thank you for ending the video two seconds before it happened😅
it always hurts to watch it again
So painful to see lol
This is great info! Thanks for sharing. Was interested in the GSF but I think I'll stick with a used GS350 after prices settle down.
I have a 2008 GS350 AWD. Great car. Very reliable. I have about 260k miles on it right now and still going strong with just routine maintenance. Never any major problems.
Damn that pause after the jack was pulled out.... felt that. Poor guy.
Use wood blocks, they aren’t slippery like aluminum and hockey pucks. But really this shows how, in some ways, car design has gone backwards.
It's not car design that's the problem it's stupid people who mods and lower their cars way too low then factory height this is the reason I don't lower my car I keep it stock height makes it easier going over speed bumps too don't really care if it's doesn't look as good as a lower car but least it's more practical.
Never use wood, wood can split and suddenly fail.
@@ejrocket9260 Used properly wood is super tough, while having enough ‘give’ to bite into odd shapes.
It makes' me laugh every time I see young drivers in their lowered BMW'S suddenly break to go over speed humps making that awful scraping noise as they gingerly move over the bump.@@abcwarrior91
@@ejrocket9260have you watch hydraulic crush videos before? WOOD always wins!
First time seeing the update. Don't like the pucks, but i get it. I would drive in nose first on a set of race ramps. Nice and long, low clearance no problem. Then you can jack the rear with a block of wood at the diff. and slide in some Esco flat top jack stands at your non pinch weld factory lift points. You need a quickjack, they're money. If you can change only one thing, buy a Daystar KU31002.
Thanks for sharing.
In this type of situations when I have my ramps on rear wheels I use the oem jack to lift a few inches to clear the side skirt on my IS-F and than use the bigger jack on frame, the hockey pucks where the issue there.
Not having the right tools and/or a brain were the issues here.
Moral of the story: Do NOT use moving parts on a jack’s contact with the jacking point. You may have saved the car by using the jack that comes stock with that car.
Now that’s jacked up ; you called it on your concrete 😊
lol hockey pucks are made to slid.
User error while jacking up car - Fixed the title.
Thank you for sharing this with us. We can all learn from this. Good work dude!
Props to you for explaining it! I legit just parted out my lancer on the grass and had a floor jack, I was so scared that this would happen!
Bro as soon as seen the hockey pucks I stopped watching because I knew the problem.
I still think a variable was the rear was on a ramp stand as well. As for the difficulty getting to the pinch weld in that case you could have just jacked it off one of the front or rear axle points fixed structures etc
Yea rear being up didn't help
I use scissor lift to get access to good lifting point first, then Jack stands. Two hockey pucks is crazy.
Wow. I can see this potentially happening to me. I so freak out everytime i lift the car im chekcing multiple times. Thanks for sharing. Curious, how much did it cost to get thebcar fixed?
Respect to you for showing the lesson learned. Painful experience. Multiple issues involved: 1. rough underground preventing free movement (automatic alignment) of the trolley jack, 2. never use intermediary pieces that are not securely held/anchored to the jack and vehicle, i.e. prevented from vertical AND lateral displacement. The vehicle weight (compressive load) will not prevent lateral movement (shear), so the pucks/attachments can easily be 'pressed' out of position, 3. wrong jack. If the jack will not fit without using multiple loose lifting attachments/inserts, a different jack should be used, e.g. hydraulic bottle jack, scissor jack, air jack etc. Again, it's important that people don't point fingers, but understand the lesson. As the car is lifted by the jack, it changes lateral position (more, or less, depending on the amount of lift, type of suspension system and wheel size etc.), and 'pulls' on the jack. Trolley jacks follow the movement. Solid jacks compensate by leaning. Air jacks flex. Ideal is a trolley jack with good wheels on a solid smooth surface, or an air jack.
Damn my heart hurt when I watched this. Glad it’s all fixed now! Funny thing is even the dog knew something was about to happen lol
I Totally Remember this, My Heart just Drop
Thank you for making this video SIR!
I've got 2 Hydraulic Floor jacks, but I'll be using my 3 scissor-jacks next time!
Had the exact same thing happen to my Mercedes A Class, damaging side skirt and door. £450 repair 😢. Any way to bend the bottom of the door back into shape?
My advice as a professional auto tech is to never jack up from the pinch welds, always go to the frame rail, and place your jackstands there as well. Wider surface as well which can reduce jack slippage, and might have allowed you to use the jack without the hockey pucks. Oil your jack wheels as well, the amount of friction on those wheel with a load is pretty crazy.
Manuals list the correct jacking points so no need to guess but your way is also what I use as expedient.
Unibodies dont have frame rails.
@Seriousless Actually they do. They are welded to the floor pans.
@@jeffp6615 There are tons of cars were jacking on the frame rails are a terrible idea.
Thanks to this mentality my S13's frame rails are all folded up like an accordion. The pinch welds are fine if used correctly,, and the frame rails were never meant to support the weight of the car from one small point. Please stop destroying the undercarriage of cars.
I am now paranoid any time my GSF goes in for a service, tyre change etc. Hindsight is a wonderful thing so we all can be wise after the event. I feel the rear being on the ramps possibly contributed. With the rear on the ground, both rear wheels continue to support the car. In the video the rear wheel can be clearly seen to rise so there was a lot of extra weight on the jacking point/dollies which probably made matters worse.
You’re talking about the rear elevated being a contributing factor, how? You can’t hack all 4 corners up at one time so there’s always gonna be a point where wheels are off the ground whilst others still need jacking.
@@fieldmarshaljoe please tell me you aren't suggesting that you would raise the car (using a jack under one of those jacking points) sufficiently high enough to enable an axle stand to be placed under the opposite jacking point on the same side!!?? There are designated jacking points at both front and rear centres of a car to raise one end of the car in its entirety so that 2 axle stands can be inserted at the same time.
The sill area jacking points are only intended for to lift just one corner at a time rather than the whole of one side of a car...remember main dealers where cars are really intended by manufacturers to be serviced don't tend to use axle stands. They use all 4 lifting points together on a lift with the car perfectly level. Other than that those lifting points are meant to be used for a corner to be raised and supported by a scissor jack to change a wheel with a flat.
@@pielight7449 we aren’t talking about axel stands though are we? He’s clearly using ramps. I’m not talking about lifting one side of the car up on one pinch point and putting a stand under the opposite side, I’m talking about jacking one side of the car up on the pinch point and putting a ramp underneath the wheel
@@fieldmarshaljoe OK let's rewind. My comment you responded to actually was talking about lifting the whole side of the car from one jacking point so if you weren't talking about that you weren't addressing my point at all. Whether it was an axle stand or ramp supporting the back end was not relevant. . My comment was about 2 wheels on the same side being lifted from a single jacking point and it is very clear in the video that happens. My second point was that the rear being raised higher than front would transfer even more weight onto that single jacking point. I'm at a loss as to the point you are challenging.
@@pielight7449 right. Let’s imagine the car is flat, you want to put ramps under each wheel but you can’t use the centre rear and centre front Jack points, you can only use the 4 side Jack points, and let’s change it so we lift the front first as opposed to the back like you’re suggesting is causing the issue.
Jack on the front right corner, lifts the front right up: put ramp under front right.
Jack on the front left corner, lifts the front left up: put ramp under front right.
Jack on the rear right corner, once you start lifting this corner the weight balances between this corner and opposite front corner, meaning the rear right will lift with the Jack and the front right will also lift with the Jack..
It’s literally the same scenario as this video except you’ve swapped the existing ramps to the front instead of back lol. This always happens when jacking a car onto 4 ramps using just the 4 corners
How does this man not know that the hockey pucks were the reason for this happening? We understand you need the extra clearance, but hockey pucks are not the freaking tool for this job my dude. Holy hell!
Learned much with this vid, Thank you!
Yes, I agree with your analysis.
Thank you i
Thanks for sharing this. Ive always used a hockey puck with a groove dremmeled/sawed out. Been going on 20 years with no issues.
This is the exact reason I am in the process of putting down cement in my garage to fill in all of the pitted areas that just happened to be right behind the front tires. I have only owned this house for a year and I'm guessing someone used this garage a lot for car repairs, which is what a garage is for. I suggest Quikrete re-cap concrete resurfacer. Even a rookie in concrete like me can do this job good enough with this stuff and it won't kill the wallet like a slipping jack will!
Still feeling with your hands is not as definitive as just using your eyes and watching as the vehicle goes up. Since you felt with your hands and not looked with your eyes it’s clear it slipped off the pucks because you probably didn’t have it centred enough on the pucks.
You should buy the proper stuff. That jack is nice and works great, harbor freight makes good shit for the “MONEY!” (Meaning best of the cheap shit) You have an expensive car, spend some money next time and buy a jack with locking jack height extenders. Solid connection. If I jacked up any of my cars it must be positive connection 100%. Those pucks are shit in my opinion, they should only be used 1 at a time, (never stacked) or when a vehicle is being lifted all four corners at once to avoid an extreme angle. (Never stacked as well) That angle was created by the car leaning to one side and it slipped off. Still your fault in my book!!! Lesson learned!!!!
He has an automated jack system now.
I would hope so, especially after that happening. Could have been much worse. Let’s say he was under that car. His wife would have found him, GOD FORBID! So many men are found dead under cars! Don’t like horror stories! If you work on your car, have the proper equipment and read constantly about cribbing/ blocking/jacking/or lifting up vehicles properly.
Great video! I am curious if you have come up with a better way to jack your car up.
FWIW, it totally makes sense that the pucks might slip before the jack moved. Really depends on the friction force between the pucks vs the friction forces at the jack wheels.
Accidents happen no matter how much careful you are.
Thanks for sharing your experience. This will help us diy’ers to be more aware
Accidents do happen. Would've been a costly repair
I had to look at this really close. I'm like "posted 9 hours ago"!! This is an old video. You went VIRAL AF bro!! STILL hurts to watch that 😭😭
Yea did an update vid
I think the black hockey puck slipped right?
Yes one of them slipped off because the jack was not moving inward as the car was going up
Thank you for sharing the details about the failure. It definitely helps others avoid the issue.
The rear was good but what do you have under the driver side of the car when you lift the car up because i see the driverside leaning down when you lift the passenger side so i think that causes the hockey puks to slide
Keep on learning as you go along. Accept constructive criticism and rightly call out the ones that are haters. Your videos are appreciated as there really isn't a boat load of GS DIY videos on CZcams.
Yes sir. It sucks that that Had happened but i definitely learned form it
You can learn so much until it kills you one day, so don't want too many learning opportunities
Stance family problems, definitely a challenging car to lift. Stay safe my dude. Maybe consider getting an electronic scissor jack. Or use an impact wrench on a regular scissor jack for ease of use.
Dude!!!!! Amazing Analysis... This tells me I don't have to worry about jacking my car up in that location. Just as long as my jack + gadget do not slip I am ok! Thanks for the demonstration.
Hey, my respects to you for not only showing what went wrong but videoing how it went wrong. Many do not show their flaws or shortfalls. But just as important, you may very well have saved someone else some heartache.
The visual and the sound still hurt my soul! lol
Mine too
We live, learn and grow. Keep up the good content brother 🤙
So...what do you use to jack up the car now?
Thanks man.
Congratulations on the Baby and on the new ride!!!
@@BulletsGarage 🙏 thanks brother
The other issue is the ledge in the concrete fails to allow the jack to walk in as the car goes up, thus making the jack head shoot an arc, rather than go straight up.
I don’t like using the Jack points on newer cars. I try to get a little further in to that part that looks more like a traditional frame or even put it under the control arm. I will use the pinch weld if I need to but it feels weak. Lifting lowered cars is always a pain.
Nice video very entertaining
Thanks man
Hey at least the video got you millions of views on multiple platforms.
That’s true
great video…very helpful to all us DIY’ers
I roll up on blocks and lift from the sub-frame and differential. Even so, this almost happened to me, because a pebble stopped my jack from rolling. Ever since that moment I sweep the floor, and look like 20 times to make sure the jack has not moved. I understand the pain you felt.
A trick I learned is to use a block of wood and a used brake pad. Place the block of wood on the floor jack landing then place the breakpad with linner facing up under the lift point. Also you could push a little on the jack to help it roll. Note the break pad will protect the wood from splitting. If jack cant roll then abandon this and use a scissors jack instead.
Don't listen to the haters, they are idiots who do not have a nice GSF like you! I saw the first video. Keep up the good work!
Thank you lam
Was there much damage? How much did it cost to repair?
Nice job breakin down what happened and that things just sometimes happen even when you assume your all good.. i was genuinely curious where it went wrong!
You're jack did slide tho.. just at the wrong time and going the wrong direction :/
When it fell tho, did it only mess up the carbon and the body under the doors or did it catch the front door and some of the flooring?
This could happen to literally anyone. Good on you for posting the video so people can learn from what happened and try to mitigate it.
Not really.. lol
nah accidents like this don't happen to anyone, this takes a special amount of careless disregard to common sense safety practices
Still your fault buddy. Your way off center in the other video plus this video. 2:56 that’s why it slipped off. Don’t blame anyone but yourself
Ok buddy thanjs
Thanks alot for the video. I had those vehicle ramps slip underneath my car as I was driving it up one day. The car fell and I heard a loud thud. I was so worried I damaged something but luckily the car wasn't damaged to my suprise. Now I just ask my brother to help me with that.
does this work with a golf ball or does it need to be a hockey puck.
Lol @ this guy thinking that his idiotic setup is somehow less stupid than jacking the car up by the side skirt! Of course it slid off the jack.
Still the big mistake is not using his eyes and watching the car underneath as he jacks up. I don’t care how good you are get on the ground double triple check jack slowly. This guy just started pumping the jack so fast and the cracking noise was not his ramps that was the car 100%.
If you’re wrenching at home , Jack up somewhere sturdy like frame rail, control arm, or beneath the shock. The pinch welds are only meant to be used when every corner is being lifted at once. They will crush every time with a floor jack.
My miata has been lifted with a floor jack for the past 20 years, I guess it depends on the vehicle.
Pinch welds are for emergency road side tyre replacement. One at a time, not all at once?
Thank you. I don't know whether you know this. You actually helped many of us not making this mistake. Once again thank you.
I don’t think the shitty concrete was the real reason the jack did not move inwards. It didn’t move, because thanks to the two slippery pucks, it wasn’t forced enough to move inwards.
I would highly recommend to use one piece of wood instead if two hockey pucks.
It was still your fault. You can't redo it. Whats done has been done and you cant go back and try to show us it wasn't your fault. Shit happens move on. No need to make this video lmao
Always if using jack exatenions/hockey pucks always ensure that they bolt down onto the actual jack pad or some locking mechanism that provides a mechanical bond. Burton the bright side it wasn’t a failure it was just another life lesson, ad I can tell by your demeanor you understand that concept. Great video this will teach/ save millions. Keep it up!!
Another CZcamsr showed how his truck he just finished restoring fell off the improvised wood block spacers he used with his 2-post lift for a similar reach issue. These things happen even if nothing happened the last 100 times before. It is just a dangerous thing. Good on you to put your mistakes out there. We've all had lucky near misses that could have turned out bad like yours but never had opportunity to share or even recorded them.
Why did you stop using the zl1 pinch well attachment? Interested in getting the set for my mustang
zl1 works great for me
So if you look in your owners manual, they show where the actual lift points are at. They arent on the sides of the car, one in front, one in back. Using the pinch welds is asking for trouble.
We all screw up at some point working on cars beautiful car dude and great repair done on the side skirts . You take care mate 👨🏻🔧👍
I felt that mate! Same happened to me the other day. My Audi A8 has this plastic part 4H0802845B clipped on the sill under the car and the jack engages into a slot in it. Unfortunately due to lumps in the concrete, the jack did not creep forwards and pulled this part 4H0802845B off (ripped the plastic clips) and it slipped on the sill metalwork and hit the plastic sill cover and stuffed itself under it, luckily it went back to shape with a hairdryer. I bought a new part and added big blobs of silicone to hopefully hold it on better. I would recommend anyone to use a small sheet of plywood if the ground is not smooth.
I like that bracket for the pinch weld I'm only looking at this. Video because car x flattened all of my places to put my floor jacks and was wondering how I was going to straighten my out .I thought mine where really flimsy On my 2002 Buick lesabre
Great video, glad ya got it fixed up. My buddy told me about this and said if I keep using a puck it’s going to dry rot and fail me one day:/ so I’ve been using wood but don’t know what else I could try. Since I know wood will dry rot aswell but shows signs easier
How much was the cost of repair btw?