This is how you should mount your CPU cooler! I think??
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This is how you should mount your CPU cooler! I think??
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The fan was pulling cool air over the RGB lighting, that's why the temps were lower. RGB makes everything cooler.
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Maybe, if you could use a tempered glass side panel with some smoke, to better visualize the airflow, would make a great part 2
Wouldn't the moisture harm the parts
Smoke isn't the same as water vapour
I was about to suggest this. Great minds think alike.
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nOTpASS Nice idea
5:47 you're welcome.
Would have been good to see GPU temps as well, to see how much they're affected by cpu cooler placement.
lexii miller vertical placement would probably decrease the gpu temps by ~1-2C for the open air gpu because it pulls the exhausting air from the gpu away more.
maybe founders edition is hotter in general so heat can transfer to cpu
the gpu is the same. 1070 is a 1070 no dif in the gpu itself.its all from Nvidia
different coolers make different temperatures.... The blower style cooler is *almost* always warmer than the other types
This is what I also think. The blower style cooled GPU gets hotter and radiates more heat and since the CPU and GPU coolers are drawing their air from the intakes it makes a still air pocket below the CPU cooler allowing the heat radiate from GPU to CPU and MB (so, there's none to little airflow between GPU and CPU cooler).
husssein But then that doesn't explain the vertical solutions.
That doesn't really makes sense. GPU vrams etc. should run as hot generating same amount of heat in both tests. The reason why you see higher temps in reference cooled cards is because those stock coolers and heat sinks simply struggle with transferring the heat from the chipset. But all this released energy in form of heat still has to go somewhere, ergo if you have a better cooler capable of transferring more heat from the card, the gpu itself will have lower temps but the relocated heat should mean higher temps on other pc components that are getting blasted by all that circulating hot air. Only thing I can think off is difference in voltage and core/mem clocks which means more emancipated heat but if anything FE should produce less energy than non-ref cards with additional pins and higher boost clocks. All of this leads me to believe that it's a margin of error or some unknown law of aerodynamics or thermodynamics that I simply don't know :/
see how much GPU power you need to get games to run at 144hz at different resolutions
Jake Conner four peanuts and two butters²
wtf is the point, dumbest thing ever. just look at % usage of gpu and u can estimate power draw
he is talking about gpu graphical power not wattage pulled. dummy..
1080p? A gtx 1070 would do it for most (but not all) games. Gamersnexus just did a great video with a heavily overclocked gtx 1080 and 7700k and found that it wasn't enough to get 120 fps in most games at 1440p though. Really need to get into SLI at that point.
Not even my gtx 1080/i7 4790K 4.7ghz combo gives me 144 fps ultra 1080p in somewhat up to date AAA games.
If you really want to have constant 144fps to profit off your 144hz monitor, and you want to play on ultra/very high, you'll need at least a gtx 1080, as I said not even that is enough.
Suggestion - Rerun the tests with the strange results, you might well find they change. Did you have enough (or too much) thermal interface material? Did you have just a poor seating of the heatsink on the CPU?
Yes, I'm sure you know how to mount a cooler, I'm not doubting that, but mistakes happen, I know I've made them. Of course you might have already done this and gotten the same result, but it is the first thought that came to my mind, was to rerun the test with everything remounted fresh.
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Hello lmao
You can't have 'too' much thermal paste, it's been proven.
it's pretty interesting to see you commenting on an airflow video but when someone mentioned you didn't have any exhaust on your son's pc (your rear fan was oriented to be intake) during a live upgrade stream a few weeks ago you said "why does it matter? worry about your own pc" to the guy. rude af.
@@traaaaan Rude people love to give advice, but don't like taking it.
The little tests that you and Jay do are really are service to the community and I appreciate all the time and effort that you put into your videos! Thanks once again for the info!
it could be that the horizontal CPU & open GPU are actually avoiding each other... in a sense.
The GPU is pulling air straight up and the air is likely blooming away and above the the CPU intake pressure drop. Causing cooler air to collect for the CPU.
Where vertical is in the direct path of hot GPU air...
Great idea for a video.
Did you re apply the thermal paste? Perhaps you did it better the second time over the first?
if you have years of experience and hundreds of builds behind you i dont think the thermal paste can be issue
+Gothin Fuklio Yeah i figured, never know though. Could be a lazy mistake.
lol you did see him piss coolant all over his rig.
Linus did a test showing the way you put on the thermal paste makes no difference unless it is way to little.
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*Theories!*
*Test #1* - Blower was stealing all the cool air. Could test with a PC-safe "smoke machine".
*Test #2" - The Zotac card seems to have a more restrictive "Open" design forcing the bulk of the exhaust to the back and bottom allowing for less heat to be ejected into the case compared to an ASUS Strix for example. Also it may not have been stealing all the fresh air allowing the 212 to move more air across the fins. Could test with a more open-air designed card.
*Test #3* - "Direct Contact Heat-Pipes" may have lined up with the hot-spot on the IHS better where the die is mounted vertically. Could test using non-direct style cooler with each test. (Would take alot of time though...)
*Test #4* - The Zotac's backplate may get hotter then the "Founder's" card due to added power deliver or design changes and the backplate may be heating up the air at the 212's intake. Could test by measuring the air temp above both backplates. (may be a bit difficult to do though...)
I know there's that one person out there that's gonna have a rage-attack, but remember, they're just theories that were thought up immediately after watching the video. ^_^
(*Edit*) Went to the -Thought Chamber- restroom and thought of something else. I wonder if an anomaly caused utilizations to differ between tests. Were the frame-rates consistent and the GPU/CPU loads reported equally? Maybe a background Windows update or other process was causing CPU load to vary.
Absolutely, I thought about the air being hotter from the backplate but completely ignored the fact that the open-air GPU is still exhausting hot air. That and the broadside of the CPU cooler in test #4 is also making it much easier for the cooler to intake that exhaust while at the same time "tripling" the surface area that the warm air is passing though. It will be quite interesting if a follow-up is done for this video, I realize it would take a good amount of time to do but your input makes me want to know the answers even more.
Heck, this type of "Guess what caused it" video conclusion could even be it's own series of videos. Even if only once a month or so I find it quite interesting and enjoy the participation side of it.
Yeah, the retarded amount of case fans makes these figures meaningless.
WRONG. It would only be meaningless if all the results were identical. They are not, so obviously blower and orientation of the CPU cooler have an impact.
I notced same thing when change my GPU from "blower style" to "open". But final results for my setup: Less fans is requied (2 removed from top) to make same temp. at CPU now. Blower style cards "stealing" air from case, makes CPU cooling less effective.
I noticed that as well, this is why I added a fan underneath the blower cooler of my GPU. The blower was sucking the air from the front intake fans (and was basically a wall separating top and bottom) and was radiating heat from the backplate up toward the CPU. Adding that bottom mounted fan didn't prevent the GPU from stealing the front intake airflow, but it cooled the card, which helped the CPU stay a bit cooler. Pretty interesting how that all works out.
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There are so many myths people claim when it comes to computers and this is one of them, I knew it would not make much difference, I got flamed in one of my builds for doing the same thing, so I rotated the heatsink for a 3 degree difference in temps. Good video Kyle.
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Have mine with a upwards flow as well.
First for the simple reason to geht the hot air away from my GPU so it doesn't reduce it's boost.
MWith my new card, I'm just to lazy to reassamble all that stuff. (Heavy cooler and a delidded chip: nothing to be done in 5 mins)
Besides that I have 2x 140mm in the top and 1x 120mm in the back, so clearly the case supports the vertical airflow. And there would be not nearly as much fresh air coming from the front with all my drive bays, compared to the case he used.
Same. Some foo went after me for mounting my dark rock pro 3 with a horizontal airflow pattern. Good luck fitting that vertically, let alone the mounting hardware doesn't even allow for it.
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I have it pointing upwards too, because otherwise my RAM won't fit
6:44 case closed, pun intended?
i once commented about a similar pun like that, and got massive hate lol.
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Think this has to do with the direction the air is circulating in the chassis.. This is something you may have to test using a glass side panel case and some smoke to see where the air flow is going..
Joe Jackson smoke is horrable on computer components......
Jesse Dodge he mean like a fog machine. Of course it would be bad to use actual smoke on a computer. There are fog machine to test the airflow in your PC
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Now I don't know everything about PC building, or how this heat physics stuff work.
But would the Backplate on the Zotac affect the temps? Even by a bit?
I use a hyper 212 evo to cool my i5 6600k @4.6ghz and the highest temp I've seen is 57°C
Marley I bet you didnt use Prime or did you?
I did, that's the weird part
Marley pics or didnt happen. Friend of me is using a 6600k with a beefy Dark Rock Pro 3 as cooler and doesnt even maintain 60 at 4
5 GHz.
maybe it's because my room is always 16°C
if your room temp is 16c then why bother buying cooler XD
d00d nice video, what camera are you using to record yourself?
I believe Kyle uses the Panasonic Lumix GH4
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Man this was a great GREAT video, this is what i want to see in videos. PLEASE DO MORE, DO A MILLION MORE
I really like these experiment videos, keep it up
*The blower style GPU acts as the 3rd exhaust fan, there will be less air coming through top and back exhaust fan **---**> hotter CPU*
freaking 4:30 minutes to start the video!
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I realy love this style of video's, keep it up brother!
I usually like your videos before watching them. Just know that the content will be top notch.
Did you make sure to put the case side panel on when you did these tests?
He always does for the tests, he leaves them off for the "glamour shots"
Neon_Lights12 the only way to do it imo. makes it look sexy
I believe its as simple as just good airflow, because as soon as you turn the cpu cooler towards the gpu and away from the front fans temps rose up, and since in-closed gpus are mainly always more hotter than open gpus the front fans werent really helping the in-closed gpu dissipate its radiating heat , but the open gpu even though its was dissipating warm air in the case the airflow was pushing it out
Funny how when he said horizontal the fan was in the vertical
Position and vice versa.
@5:45 Just maybe this will explain scenario 2. CPU cooler blows Left, GPU blows upwards, with case flans blowing left and up. Heat is dissipated more evenly (maybe more efficiently) between the top and left of the case. This differs from option 4. However, this is very similar to option 3. CPU cooler blows upwards, while GPU blows Left. Heat going both directions in options 2 and 3. This is contrasted to option 1 ( Majority of air is dissipated left) and option 4 (majority of air is dissipated upwards) which results in higher CPU temps.
An analogy for scenario 2 would be having 2 straws in a beer: If you had to drink the whole beer using straws, then it would be able to get the same amount of liquid out of the can using two straws compared to pushing that same amount of liquid through mostly 1 straw.
This is also based on the concept of better cooling with a greater proportion of fresh air vs recycled air (air already cooling one component to cool another component).
Maybe since the open shroud GPU has multiple fans resulting in relatively more air circulation and creating a higher positive pressure unlike the blower style GPU... correct me if I am wrong
Indrajeet Pala air circulation from internal components can't magically pull air in from outside the case and raise the internal pressure.
horizontal mounting uses more fresh air from the front intake, vertical mounting the cooler is sucking the hot air from the gpu in = higher cpu temps with open style gpu cooler...nothing more...thus horizontal mounting the cpu cooler is better if you have an open gpu cooler...
But the blower style cooler is designed to pull air out of the case, so there would be less positive pressure.
Walt Findley .... if the case was fully sealed then yes a internal fan inside sealed cabinet will not suck air from outside .... but in a pc cabinet intenal fan can create a positive pressure "i think so" just like if you put two same fans on top of each other the total air moved will be double the air moved by single fan.
the components on the vga pcb, they also heat a little, so even with the blower style cooling, some minimal heat disipation will occur in that area
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Hot air rises, a vertical config with open gpu pulls air directly into the case.
Also, I noticed if the cpu, gpu airflow direction matches, temps are lower. Open gpu has vertical airflow, closed has horizontal.
When I saw the thumbnail I wondered why Trigglypuff was so upset about CPU cooler mounting.
...and sleeve bearing fans should be mounted vertically (horizontal air flow).
One thing that everyone underestimates is interaction between heatspreader and heatsink. It's better to have the heatpipes passing perpendicularly on the "die" of the Intel CPUs.
In fact in the best conditions (for the CPU) with blower GPU, the temperature is lower, but open GPU has negatively influenced the results. Anyway horizontal+open GPU gives a strange result.
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I was really tired building my PC and accidentally installed the Cooler facing up and didn't fully realize until I put it in the case. Glad to see it doesn't make too much difference and need to waste the paste to fix it.
I love when Kyle gets all sciencey
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Eggsr2bcrushed yes
That is correct
I was in there too. Support group?
Maybe, for the CPU orientation exclusively, it has more to do with the ability of the coolant in the heat pipes to flow more freely/universally for the "fan blowing up" orientation?
I think the horizontal position cpu cooler lowered the temp because the air flow is in a more consistent direction from to the intake fans airflow. Thus creating a more positive air pressure effect.
I think you changed air flow characteristics by using the lower style fan. The blower style fan would effect the pressure of the case. The blower style has a larger negative pressure zone an then pulls more fresh air away from the CPU cooler?
You could check this by using a smoke machine.
My thoughts on this are that I have a different case, different fans, different graphics card, different cpu cooler, so I should do my own damn tests if I want relevant results.
i think the air flow from the frontal fans is pushing more air faster than the CPU cooler can absorb, like if the evo 212 where taking the cooler air thats coming from the front while the air from the unrefrigerated backplate is being push back and up by the air coming from the front and out by the fan in the back, also the third party vga could be running cooler so there is less heat coming out from it
I loved your videos about CPU cooler orientation and radiator positioning. Could you make a video that compares the internal temperatures of a computer with the power supply mounted with the fan pulling air from the inside the case vs pulling air from under the case?
kyle do you like the dot or line method for thermal paste
Very informative video. Thanks although I could have definitely lived without the after breakfast sound effects.
What were the GPU temps? I run vertical airflow because it pulls air off the backside of the GPU reducing the temp on it because I have more cooling headroom with my CPU than my GPU.
I also want to do, due to compact cube case and power supply clearance, I can mount a tower cooler only with this position. But not all the coolers have brackets to permit 90° twist.
Ohhh let me take a stab. The blower gpu is taking air from within the case and pushing the air laterally across the gpu and out the back, so it never hits the cpu cooler. You'd think that's good for avoiding hot air circulating in the case and hitting the cpu cooler, but maybe that's bad for total airflow in the case overall. The less air circulating in the case, the less usable air there is for the cpu cooler. The open air gpu has air all around it, which in turn creates more airflow within the case with the same air. More airflow near the cpu cooler provides more air to cool the cpu. Just a theory.
LOL no the case would have to be operating at a negative pressure vacuum in order for that to be the cause. There is no side panel which makes this whole thing pointless anyway. Its likely the cause was either the difference in mounting (remember he's is unmounting and remounting everytime) position, pressure or some other aerodynamic factor.
Zero One yep plus the shitty 212 evo is shit, nobody cares about it
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@@AdityaSingh97 wtf is wrong with you?
I see people have the cpu fan facing the rear fan, explain that people. 😫
Try mounting the power supply's fan down vs Up !
For the Horizontal + Blower fan config, try adding a sheet at the end of the gpu, about a third of the card's length long and of similar height.
Does the orientation affect the efficiency of the heat pipes? I have heard this and wonder if it's just an urban legend.
What about pulling cold air from the top of the case. And let the cpu cooler blow air down on the gpu?
I actually use almost that same config right now (with open shroud GPU). I have SilentiumPC Pax M70 case with the config: 2x120 intake fronts, 120+140 intake tops and only one 120 exhaust on the back. It gives me a lot of positive pressure (good dust control) and I achieve the lowest temperatures from amongst any other config (but with horizontal CPU airflow).
Heat rises so it may be a wise choice to find a flow with that in mind.
Can you test with the CPU cooler horizontal, but in reverse so it draws air from the back of the case?
@allupro I actually did that config some time ago. I had a terrible case (a little bit old) with very stupid fan placement, so I reversed the air flow in the whole case as you described (with open shroud GPU). With no other changes (only reversing cpu airflow and reversing intake and exhaust case fans) i dropped down about 15 degrees on CPU and about 10 degrees on GPU.
Keep in mind that it was unusual situation (stupid case fan placements) so you may not get any positive effect.
Would have been interesting looking at the temps for the RAM and the VRM as well as the different positions change the airflow over both of their areas
possibly the blower style since it's worse as dispersing heat a good portion of the hot air surrounding the card stuck around, while the open air one was better at getting hot air out and away.
I heard Cryorig H7 is a great budget CPU cooler.
yes it is
Better than the 212 for a bit more. The H7 is less available around the world than the 212 though.
There are actually alot of great coolers in the same range of the 212 EVO.
Starting with the Hyper T4, going over the Hyper 212X, H7, Brocken ECO, Matterhorn Pure Gammaxx S40, and all the way to the Macho 90 and True Spirit 120.
The thing ist just, that the 212 EVO has been established as a cooler fitting to all recent sockets,, relatively easy to mount for a tower cooler, and with a good price to peformance ratio.
In the end it all depends on availability and space inside the case.
ziljin harder to get your hands on, a couple bucks more pricy, but significantly better. Mounting is easy, it has much better clearance in every way, and it performs a lot better. I've used both and I always advise people to spend the extra $5-10 to get the H7
ziljin get the h5 i got it and under 55° on i5 6600k at 4.5ghz
Seriously?
"VR compatible" even on CPU?!
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Yeah and say me also that we need VR compatible HD ready RGB tempered side glass panel...
+Reo! Vendredi Funny/annoying fact. My Intel 3970x from 2012 with my Gigabyte GTX 1080 Xtreme handles everything in VR, even using 2x supersampling via the Oculus debug tool, JUST FINE ....YET the stupid Oculus software has that dumb warning stating my hardware doesn't meet recommended spec that never goes away!
DMan 9971 I'm sure you can erase that message in registry.
Arek R. Damn right you do! but you're missing one thing. fire to make the CPU go fastet
It's a real thing, I even upgraded to Kaby for it. In games with higher CPU requirements (physics, terrain generation, etc) you need to account for the bottleneck. If any component in your PC is causing a lower-than-acceptable framerate, it needs to be changed. (Even the case applies, if airflow is bad you'll need to fix it)
Definitely something funky going on with the airflow patterns. Some kind of turbulence must be causing a dead spot for Horizontal+Blower.
I'd be interested to see the results with only the rear exhaust fan going.
I personally always preferred the horizontal path since it draws the "warm" air over the RAM modules out with it too where the Vertical doesn't in the same way.
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Is it just me or does his mic quality sound a little worse in this video?
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Nova its just you
I have a hyperx cloud 2 and it sounds better on almost any other video.
He seems to have some bad processing going on compared to normal.
It's like, really compressed this timed around.
Maybe the weird results have to do with opposing fan currents? Maybe the open style GPU cooler disperses air through the case in a way that allows the CPU cooler to pull in more outside (cooler) air from that empty fan spot in the top of the case, resulting in cooler CPU temps.
Try covering the top vents on the case when doing the horizontal airflow tests. In my experience, the air path through the case makes far more difference than how much airflow you have or whether you have positive or negative pressure.
I can confirm that moving my h115i water cooler's radiator from the top of my Corsair 750D case to the front dropped my CPU temperatures from a max of 98C on full load using Aida64 to 68C. Absolutely incredible.
The answer is buy a FLIR one.
Have you tried the delid process on Kaby Lake at all? I have seen that some people get a 20C drop in temps by applying new thermal paste.
With this heat sink, I did a horizontal position and did a the push pull style. And got crazy results. This Is by far my favorite cooler.
So I suggest doing to same thing for even better results, do 2 fans on the heatsink instead of just 1.
Is it me or is the volume lower on this video.
Uiriamu Busujima i think it is lower,also.
It could be that since blower-style coolers are less effective, the gpu was warmer and then the air AROUND the GPU heated as a result. This air then rose up into the cpu cooler, increasing temps.
Or it could just be within margin of error. :P
But that doesn't really explain the 2nd test
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yes it does. With the vertical blower the heat from the back plate does not get to the cooler fan intake. Real question is what is happening to GPU temperature in the four cases. Case 3 is best for CPU, but Case 2 is probably much better for GPU.
Blower style coolers are MOST effective. They extract the heat DIRECTLY outside the case. Which keeps the ambient temp inside the case lower, which benefits all devices inside the computer.
Wrong!
Literally every review of blower style coolers- like Nvidia Founders Edition and AMD Vega models- have proven that those cards run MUCH hotter that AIB cards (even though the fans exhaust into the case). That's why the FE cards are horrible for overclocking without liquid cooling; they get to 85°C in no time and then throttle down performance to keep temps in check. There are tons of examples of this on the internet. It's not even debatable.
With a decent case with good airflow, it's not an issue. There's no way a single 80mm (?) blower cooler is keeping up the THREE 100mm fans on my Aorus 1080 Ti.
shantfack Wrong. Change the fan speed curve and the cards wont even reach 60c under most circumstances.
Your personal experience, and poor unexperienced reviews dont equal facts.
As I said, the advantage of a blower style cooler is having the heat extracted directly out of the case. Your 3 100mm fans do not do that. They extract the heat into the case. Which in turn, keeps all of the heat inside the case and raises your entire case temps which increases card temps in return.
A single blower fan can move around 50 cfm of air, or about the same as your average 120mm case fan
I know this may be hard to test depending on the case you have available but what about a horizontal vs vertical mounted GPU temperature test?
The blower style backplate gets hotter than aftermarket.
Alternative results, yo'.
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Does a 1080 founders have a backplate? If not the zotac card was probably shielding the heat from going upward because of its backplate.
What about the gpu temps? I considered rotating my cpu cooler thinking it might help move the hot air away from the gpu more effectively.
Hint: measure the temp of the back of the GPU.
Hey bitwit, can I safely oc my i7 7700k to 5ghz with the hyper 212 evo?
Andrew Robinson Depends of the quality of your CPU.
Andrew Robinson highly unlikely
+Fresh Dumbledore ...i7 7700k...
+freestuffgood dang. What do you think I can I get to?
Andrew Robinson Every CPU is a bit different. Even if its the same modell. Some i7 7700k's can be oc'd better than others ^^. Also, whats your PSU?
couldnt tell you but 5 seems like alot for a non watercooled build
i've heard that if you have air cooled horizontal cpu cooler the blowing fan at the top of the case should be in the front mounting holes because the air pushing from the cooler should go directly to the back of the case fan and pushing the hot air out of the case easier.
Back in the day, I used to run the back fan blowing in directly into the CPU heatsink fan and fans in the front of the case exhausting all the heat from inside the case. No clue if it worked better or not.
Now I just custom water loop and don't worry about it.
Push or Pull?
I blame Obama...Global warming
I think something to keep in mind is that board partner coolers are usually more powerful, larger fans, better technological advances, etc. With the cooler horizontal, it might be that more surface area of the cooler is in the way of the airflow from the card and therefore heating it up further. Not really sure
The horizontal mounting probably pulled the cold air from the front intake fans, creating a thermocline (A buffer of colder air preventing the warmer GPU exhaust from mixing with the air pulled through the CPU fan).
Like Jay said, can be seen if you use a smoke test.
Just like everybody else in the gaming 'community', you are not taking into account a well-known phenomenon in the field of physics: turbulence. The quantity of pressure, either positive or negative, does not guarantee efficiency. Forget the number of fans. How are they positioned and balanced? How well-directioned and unobstructed is the flow? That's what counts. Sometimes, a small cable with the wrong shape and in the wrong position can have an enormous effect on the flow. You may well have a better flow with 2 or 3 well-positioned fans and clear paths for the flow than with 5 or 6 randomly positioned and unbalanced fans, inside a case with irregular paths for the flow. Even the shape and relative size of the case (to the components) should be taken into account. The very mass of the cooler can be counter-productive, etc. This is not rocket science, but it's also not that easy. It's almost funny how so many gaming people 'in the know' ignore this. Taking turbulence into account can give an enormous boost to any air cooling option, especially when one wants to avoid the hassle of the liquid-cooling gizmos. You could use a heat-sensitive camera to 'see' where the heated flow or flows have bottlenecks and refluxes. A smoke test would also speak volumes: the nasty whirlwinds inside the case would then be visible. Those work like small closed-circuits, where the heat dances and stays.
How much is a heat sensitive camera
I sensed that the exhaust fans are creating turbulence since they're are negating each other
you forgot the size of the case, the material of the case, some are made of aluminium others from aleations, the height of the case relative to the ground, the sorrounding enviroment the region where you live, the weather, the quality of the fans the speed of the fans, the form of the fans, bla bla bla, also if a fan is virtual ready or gaming fan, you know its not rocket science
THIS.
I've been banging my head on the table for years, as people came to me with 'overheating with all these fans!?' complaints...
Despite their expectations of 'more fans = better cooling' I often got cooler results by removing one or two fans from their '10 fans are better' setup
Test how much coke you can snort verticaly and horizontali, and using metal and copper snorting tube. Compare the results
horizontal+ blower is fighting for air vs drawing from two different planes. probably creates more turbulence and noise but draws from a larger source of air (being the whole case vs w/e higher pressure fan in the front due to fans).
The blower fan was catching cool air from the front fans which made the temperature the lowest. The other config had the cpu blower pumping in warm air from the cpu shroud and exhausting warm air, not to mention the case air flow was obstructed by the side of the fan shroud rather than pushing cool air through while immediately exhausting it out the back.
Random thought... Anyone who has a $400 GPU, a $200 motherboard, and a $350 CPU who wants to use a $30 CPU cooler needs to reexamine their PC part choices...
Nice idea for a test, but not very real world in my opinion, try this again with a NH-D15 or other high end air cooler...
Or... you know, just liquid cool it and be done with it. :)
Is there something wrong with that cooler?
Cooper Zirbel nothing wrong with the cooler, but it's just highly unbalanced for the build. More power = more heat, and cheaping out on the cooling makes no sense
You couldn’t be more wrong there because its very real world. You don’t need anything more than a H212 when it comes to air cooling because the next thing you should be looking at is an AIO cooler. Just like a stock cpu doesn’t need more than its factory cooler but people still buy aftermarket air coolers for them lol. Back when the 4790k was still new, the rig I built was at these similar price points and it has been running @4.8ghz with a hyper 212 and its still going strong. The temps stay in the high 60’s currently even with this heat wave. Sure I *could* have gone with an AIO and most likely clocked over 5ghz but I saw no point the rig was plenty fast and still handles everything I throw at it with no thermal issues.
Just because you like to throw in an expensive cooler on every rig you make doesn’t mean it needs it lol.
I have a core i5 6600k OC'ed at 4.6ghz super stable on a hyper 212 turbo that stays around 55c even on full load. People have time and again talked about their core i7 overclocking like a beast and achieving stable core clocks on a Hyper 212 and never needing anything more.
So please, explain to me again how one would have to reexamine their PC part choices if they use a $30 cooler on a $350 CPU?
Wrong! Hyper 212 is a very capable cooler
I had this horizontal mount of Hyper 212 due to my Casing lack of space in the gpu area, it helps alot removing stored heat
It would be interesting to know what the GPU temps were as well since I would think the "preferred" solution would want to look at the temperature of both of the major heat producing components. If you didn't record the GPU temps, maybe think about it if you do a "Part 2". :-)
I suppose that the blower style card pulls air out, and by acting as a powerful exhaust fan it makes the pressure inside the case negative, and if the pressure is negative then the cpu gets less dense air going through the cooler to cool it...so that's my theory.
The overall case airflow is front to back and the vertical horizontal mount compliments that.
The only explanation for the higher heat with a horizontal mount with a blower style gpu is that it takes in air from the ram fins directly, and when using the open air gpu, the air is slightly directed upward and the front fans can reach it with cooler air.
This is so cool, you somehow managed to pick almost my exact setup. I have the same motherboard, the same cpu cooler, that zotac gtx 1070, and even corsair vengeance ram. Only that's rgb rather than lpx. I had my cooler vertical at first and decided to swap it to horizontal. Having it set vertical kept the gpu cooler, but horizontal the cpu was much cooler. That's fine with me though because that card tends to stay plenty cool on its own
How do you change the orientation of cooler please? I can only install my 212 with airflow to back of the case? It’s an am4 mount.
In the second test the graphics card is blowing air through the cpu heat sync in the direction that the air wasn't flowing at all adding to the cooling effect. Since the evo is blowing horizontal, the slight flow of air from the gpu vertically seems to help cooling.
when the fan is horizontal the shroud on the zotac probably spreads the heat more, and while this seems to not actually have much if any effect on gpu temp it may be helping reduce motherboard temp and in turn cpu. however when the fan vertical (fan facing gpu) it then is sucking in the extra heat that is being held in the shroud .
I originally had my hyper 212 fan pointed towards the front of the case with my Vega 56 underneath it but the rear exhaust fan was screaming so I flipped it and viola!
I know this is four years after the original post, but thank you. It helped me decide which orientation I would use.
Also, I just have to ask. "...case closed..." Was the pun intended?
Also think about the fact that there is fluid in the heat pipes and that the cooker is best mounted up right