Raw Power: The New Canyon Grail:ON E-Gravel Bike
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2020
- Canyon's flagship gravel bike has had a makeover! That's right, it's now been super-charged, and has morphed into the the Canyon Grail:On, Canyon's first E-Gravel bike! Si's been out recently testing this amazingly powerful bike, designed with the specific demand of gravel riding in mind, why not check it out too!
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GCN Tech very ugly frame 🤢
bit close to a mtb for my taste don't see road bikes with 2'' tyres
Great development but it is never going to win a beauty contest. Looking forward to a long term review.
Well I'm not a big fan of E-bikes but this one Totally changed my mind about them 👏.
What Liked about this bike is the "power Assist" giving by the motor which makes Riding off road a lot easier + All the riding modes helps in Maintaining a longer life for the battery depending on what Mode you're using.
But I really liked it 💖.
All well and good but having ex-pro review an e-bike is kind of ehh. , because he will never use it in real life.
Personally, I think this IS the one e bike that covers all the ground, road, off road and commute. I am 62 and tool up e biking just over 2 years ago with a Cube Acid Hybrid..I am hooked. I have ridden well over 10,000 klms and climbed over 50,000 mtrs this year. Last Saturday, I rode over 100 miles around The North York Moors with nearly 3000 mtrs of climbing. I am now looking to upgrade to the ultimate e bike. This Canyon Grail ON is it...It beats the Specialized Creo E Gravel bike hands down. BUT we have to find a way of persuading the regulators that limiting motor support above 25 kmph is truly ridiculous when I can descend without pedalling at 90 kmph. If you want a keen older GCN supporter who rides an e bike to help you guys out with tests I am dead up for it. E cycling is NOT cheating, it's e nabling and I can make it as hard work or as relaxing as I like. Paul Moore on Strava where you can see what I have been doing. The Canyon Grail ON is the future for serious all round e cyclists...I wish I had one...
I got a Grail On: last week and rode it up into the mountains around Boulder, CO. IT WAS MIND BLOWING! After riding the Specialized Creo/Evo, its clear to me that the Grail On: is a superior bike because it has 1) a far better cockpit set-up, and 2) the power range is clearly better for gravel hands down. Best electric gravel bike on the market. Super fun, you’ll have a blast. From a 70 year old bike racer.
Thanks for posting your experience Mark. I am looking at the ON vs Creo. The Creo does have an extra battery option for 100 mile range. I do like the ON's more relaxed cockpit though. Can you tell me about the sound, how do they compare on motor noise?
I know lol. Specialized and Trek are ripping people off by convincing that underpowered ebikes are the best thing cause they can be disguised as a regular bike. I have a buddy in Denver that I have to wait on when bad weather happens if we are riding together cause he is on a stupid under powered Creo. I have 2 of the Grail:on's, one for my house in Colorado and the other for our Atlanta house.
As someone who has an artificial leg and therefore has difficulty with the short steep climbs found offroad, this bike looks like it would be amazing. I'm pretty sure I still wouldn't beat Powers, but it would be a lot more fun and allow me to ride in areas that I find physically too frustrating right now.
As long as it gets you out and having fun for a reasonable price point, you can’t go wrong! 😊👍🏼
Send it, buddy :) 👍
I talked to an older man in his 70s and he said he was about to give up mountain biking because he couldn't keep up anymore and it was too taxing on his body. He bought an e-bike and now he can keep up with the groups have a lot of fun and not stress his body so much. E-bikes are amazing for older, disabled or simply unfit people. The tech just needs to come down in price, it still is too cost prohibitive for alot of people.
For people who need them they are brilliant !!! But it's the prats who buy them then consider them selves better then a normal cyclist Keep safe David V xx
I'm also an amputee (AK right) and have had a e-mtb for the last 12 months (Focus Jam2). I now spend all my time on it and my poor old analogue road bike only gets ridden once a month or so now. Dav, you're totally right, the frustration of not being able to climb certain roads/tracks is gone, back to enjoying all my riding!
My orders in to Canyon , can not wait till this arrives as someone who has had a medical condition that is unable to do the steep off road climbs but wants to enjoy the freedom of everything that cycling gives back ,mentally and physically this will be game changer for me ... bring on the 17th September !!!
What's it like after the assistance???? My EMTB is like riding through wet tar after the assistance
I have nothing against e-bikes at all, and the Grail was something that I was looking at for bike packing and for riding farm roads and paths in Bavaria, this Grail:ON is a game changer for this kind of thing and one that would be perfect for both intentions. Going to take a hard look at this in the coming weeks.
I don't drive and because of the dreaded virus I can't get a lift to work any more, its an hour and a half on the bus and half the people on there don't wear masks so I dug my old mountain bike out and decided to ride to work. Big mistake I'm in my 60s now and 20 kg heavier than I was 10 years ago its 12 miles to work with 850 ft of climbing so it took me just over an hour and I was knackered all day then had to ride back, and thats on a nice trek 8000 mtb so I bought a grand canyon hardtail emtb now its 40 min to work I can ride hard on the way home and in the last 3 weeks I've lost 1.5 kg ..the cheating remarks I've read here are not helpful to encouraging people like me getting back into cycling.
well said , you get so much abuse from the cling film clothes boys who's tight pants match the bike shouting that's its cheating ! and they never say hello or even see you , Denis you hit the nail on the head who cares as long as you are out and about there cant see the point of over killing yourself on a normal trying to kill you bike of any sorts ! when struggle up hills when you don't have to......now wait for the abuse to follow here....
Totally agree Denis. The more people on two wheels the better. If it means that I can spend an extra 10 years out on 2 wheels then it has to be a good thing. I'd encourage anybody who has not ridden an ebike to give it a go. It is a subsidised ride not a free one.
I think ebikes are amazing for commuting! as much as i like suffering and sweating climbing. it's just not ideal to show up to work like that haha.
Ignore the idiots mate. Your out and that's nothing but a good thing. I'm going to treat myself to one after having a near fatal heart attack at 51. Totally unfit at the moment but can't wait to get back in the saddle. 👍
People who say those remarks are just jealous of your nice e bike and wish they could go further and faster
Love my analog Grail CF, awesome bike, happy to see more grails in the market!!
Nice! I can see the Strava segments will get reset, until someone figures it out, and the group rides will might get a bit weird as you realize it was your Dentist that just blew past you on that climb and then waved and smiled in recognition at you in the headwinds coming home.. 😂 Yup E-bikes are here. Should get pretty interesting. Can’t wait.
What a great bike, love to see the tech being put to really good use.
We agree!
Something about Canyon bikes. I'm not a fan of eBikes but appreciate why people would get them, but this is very impressive.
Loving the Wahoo at 90 degrees in the Garmin mount. You need the Wahoo Quarter Turn Mount adapter Si.👍
Lovely bike. Beast mode.
My commute is only 14km there but has 160m of decent climbing. I do this 13 days in a row and then have two days off. I only work short hours whilst at work but i do walk a few kilometres. Here is what I have found at 40 years old. Pains will typically come in one leg only. These pains are usually in the form of extensor tendinitus at the feet or knee trouble. When the first symptoms present, I put more power through the opposite leg and spin more. I also cycle out of the saddle and keep cadence as high as possible. After a few days the pain typically goes away. If hills are too problematic, then spin an easy gear and push your leg down with one arm all the way up the hill. I don't know how much additional power this offers compared to an e-bike but it feels like an additional motor. Also, if you do suffer from foot issues then loosen up your cycling shoes. Works wonders... As for burning off smug ebike riders. This I'm afraid I cannot help doing. Especially when they give you that smug look. I'm usually dead by the end of it but the satisfaction I get when I look over my right shoulder (just the once) is worth all my pain and then some.
Motor, no motor, looks like lots of fun
That looks like a proper hooligan speed machine. From a pure fun perspective, hard to knock it. I’ll keep peddling, but what a superb bit of kit.
Finally an ebike weve been asking for
Truckee California here. thank you for this intro to egravel bike. thank you
Greate review, thank you.
I am primarily a roadie but I also have an hard tail Ebike. I wish there were more drop bar ebikes with this motor plus the bigger 625wh battery. Would be a proper mile muncher for commutes and options for road/off road leisure rides.
Exactly ! This 500 watt battery is not enough.
Looks like a MTB with a different handlebar. I like the more hidden/stealth implementations.
The main question remains: how does it ride on even gravel roads or asphalt above 25 km/h compared to the normal Grail? How much more effort do you need to put in to keep it up to ~30 km/h with same tires.
Exactly what I was thinking in Europe all bikes are restricted to 25km it will help going xc up hills but rubbish on the roads
A lot of people i know get 33km/h average on a road bike, no idea who would need this thing if it's limited to 25. It's low even for some MTBers i know..
@Noemi So bacically it helps on steep uphils only which are few on the road anyway. Makes sense on e-mtb though, but most ppl i know "unlock" them - wouldn't bother otherwise.
@Noemi Hmm. I think the 25km/h restriction is only for e-bikes that don't need assistance to ride. On classical e-bike (that help you when you paddle) you can easilly (and legally) do 50 kph.
@Noemi Yeah, you are right about the limit (and the cut off). I didn!t really looked into it and thought the they lifted the limit to 50kph assisted. But it turns out that the only e-bikes I have ridden had disabled limiter. So that's why I thought it was the limit.
That is a bike only its mother could love. You might say it has a face for radio
I purchased the Cannondale Topstone Neo lefty 3 when it came out, and I love it; had I known that Canyon would be bringing out this little beauty (and variants of) then I would have been hard pushed to decide between the Canyon and the Cannondale, there definitely would have been some sleepless nights!
Thinking about buying the Topstone Neo lefty 3 too.... How have you found it? And how is it on the roads? It looks pretty heavy.... 40lb?
@@TheRobinparsons Hi, I still have and use the Neo Lefty 3 regularly, yes it is weighty, but the only time that really hits home is when I'm lifting it over the threshold of my kitchen door, or pulling up the front end to get up a large kerb, on the roads it feels nimble despite its weight, and the low centre of gravity coupled with the weight make it feel super stable on some of the big hills I find myself speeding down here in South Wales....even with strong cross winds, it is a really fun bike to ride, it is well suited to much of the terrain here, if I was still living in relatively flat Surrey UK it's quite possible I may not have felt the need to purchase the bike, it is a real bonus being able to stay on the bike and 'pedal' up some of the steeper hills here as opposed to getting off and walking with my normal bikes.
@@leefitzgerald3536 thanks. Ive been struggling with whether to buy or not. Think I’m going to pull the trigger. I have a roadie which I love but did some damage to my nerves when I did LEJOG a few years back and I can’t do long rides on it. My mtb doesn’t have the same issues but isn’t great for road riding with all the suspension. Gravel seems the way to go. Appreciate the reply.
@@TheRobinparsons You're most welcome, I'd say an E gravel bike such as the Neo Lefty is ideal for your situation. The suspension on the Neo lefty is subtle, and the front end can be easily 'tuned' to your requirements.
Amazing machine, really amazing. But how would you measure your power output as opposed to the power input the bike puts out??.
We keep getting into these motors and next thing we know we will have a global dirt bike network
Is it a fast bicycle or a slow motorcycle?
@@JonathanWhoever these comments are getting old. Show me a motorcycle that you can pedal to go faster than 25kmh.
@@MrBJPitt I've never owned a motorcycle with pedals. Show me a motorcycle with pedals. I have no problem with ebikes. As long as they are not poaching trails that's forbidden, or winning Strava segments.
@@JonathanWhoever so why ask if it's a fast motorcycle......
Why be so serious? Lighten up, people are fucking dying. Why comment at all on anything at all. Someone else can always counter point any subject.
My hope was, that they would use the Fazua motor, because it is lighter, smoother, fully removable so that you can also use it as a non-electric-bike. Now it is only a hardtail-mountainbike with dropbar.😑
Really nice style🤟
Cracking bike, that will bring smiles to more faces than grimace at it. It's going to have to be a special birthday though to justify that price.
Perfect Boss bike! Put one in Dan´s garage.
This would be such a great bike for bikepacking
This thing is insane
When Audi first engineered a carbon e bike it wasn’t for sale because it was all carbon and it would of cost a small fortune.
Yet Canyon have just made an all carbon e rd gravel bike that starts under £40000 amazing.
Don’t get caught up comparing it to a none motorised bike and just take it for what it is. An absolute blast, I would have one any day just to ride to work instead of using the car 🤘
I think it’s great there are ads during this ad. Feels like inception 😵
As soon as the M-size is available again I’ll order one immediately. My e-road bike cannot handle the rough roads around the Boston area, even with 32mm Panaracers, the widest the frame can hold 😅
"it's like being Jeremy Powers" is all you need to say to sell this bike.
I like it 👍🏾
It look's really cool. Better than the non E version.
Very out of the blue question. But I don’t understand seatpost offset. How do i know which one to get? 0mm or 15mm etc. How can I tell if my frame need an offset or not. Cheers!
What bottle cages are you using?? they look nice and minimal!
Is it safe for the frame etc to ride without the battery attached to the bike? As in, are there motor components exposed etc. Thanks for any input. Also, what is the weight difference with and without the battery?
Would you recommend I buy this or the Cannondale Topstone Neo?
I love it 🥰
Just got a subscriber from South Africa🇿🇦 I love road bike but I'm still using the old 1
Love it but could it be an great e-touring bike also? Planning to cycle the Mediterranean coast line post Covid thinking of this a an option for wife and I.
I love this video
But I have a question that has nothing to do with this.
I think using a dropper post on a road bike can definetly improve aerodynamics and improve speed and stability while descending.
I ve used it on long descents in xc races, And could get ahead of the back with out even pedaling
And it is safer than sitting on the frame
Would be interesting to see an experiment.
GCN already tested that and it is indeed faster.
The newest version is 28 mph in USA . Great review fyi . Cheers .
I would really like to try one!
How to order this bike, I'm from Philippines thank you
for someone with a medical condition to the heart, this bike can bring back the good old days of cycling when I was still in good condition. For now I only use the manual/conventional bikes since budget does not allow for now. But if GCN will sponsor one, I will gladly accept 😁😁😁
#GCNFan
Love the vids gcn you are the reason why I started cycling thank you so much for showing me this wonderful sport
That's awesome to hear, glad you're now cycling and enjoying it, that's exactly what we love to see!
classic....Wahoo head unit in a Garmin mount :)
Hah, I was going to say the same :D
Can you tell me. Apart from the redundant weight how does the peddling feel without any electric power. For example if the battery were flat?
Imagine having this bike for long rides for longer ranges.
It can reach 100 kms in one charge which amaze me.
If you have enough the money, this bike is an excellent choice
Great video! I'd love to see a comparison between this e-gravel bike and a Cannondale Topstone Neo Carbon Lefty 3.
I’m trying to decide which bike I’m going to pull the trigger on, Neo vs this Canyon. I’ve been looking for a direct head to head comparison but haven’t come across yet. Still oscillating….
I was considering an e-gravel bike for commuting, since it´s about 50/50 asphalt and gravel, and i´m riding a cross country mountain bike right now. But the 25kmh speed limit is a deal breaker. It´s mostly flat terrain where i live, i can consistently hit 25kmh even without electric assist. The electric power would be useful on particularly windy days, but I´d have to derestrict it to see any other benefits.
Move to America baby! (We get 28mph)
Buy a Speed Pedelec, similar power but speed limit at 45kph (in practical terms you reach 30-35). In any EU those should be able to register.
Seems like a great bike for commuting, if you can store the bike somewhere behind the locks.
@F Maz I meant if you can bring it inside your office or workplace. Usually a luxury that most people do not have and thus making it a bit too expensive for commuting and getting stolen.
Some cities are banning cars from their city centrals, so this could be quite fast car replacement.
@F Maz australian police prob too scared ti arrest anyone that isnt white
@@girlsdrinkfeck oh ffs, get a life.
@@MrBJPitt what has my life got to do with my comment ?
@@girlsdrinkfeck don't be a prick, making prick comments that divide communities.
Thanks. Great review. Is the gears change electric too?
Two models: GRX manual and eTap (a little lighter too and carbon wheel set - also $1,200 more...)
will there be a GRX Di2 version?
I need this
yup, no more Bell. God bless!
Want one
What's it like after assists though?? My EMTB after the assistance drops is like riding through wet tar! Meaning this gravel bike on road sections will get dropped by a normal bike
Some please answer this question
After the assistance goes what is it like to pedal ????
What size wheels does this bike have in large is it 700 c?
Can you attach fenders and a rack?
It would be fab to get a real user review of the Grail:ON to follow up the GCN launch review, anyone? Thanks in advance.
Hey guys. Hope you can get your hands on the Orbea Gain to get your thoughts on it✌️
I am all for E bikes, you can have fun milage without having to be a pro, but it is not the same exercise as a regular bike unless you monitor your heart rate and power
For sure e-biking is a different game, but it can certainly be a pretty good workout!
Giant connect level of asisist with HR ratę so it is our choice how we treat ourself.
How is it not the same workout if you ride to the same perceived exertion? That's like saying riding a 7kg bike with aero kit isn't the same workout as riding a mtb on road.
I've lost 30 lbs in 2 months riding my Specialized Creo. I work just as hard as on my Tarmac, I can just go farther, faster in the same amount of time and effort which opens up more routing options for me to explore. If I was riding the same loop on my Creo as on my Tarmac then yes I'd be getting much less exercise, but I want to ride more because I can see more, hit more climbs/descents, and it's more of a rush going 23mph through the countryside than 16-17mph
@@MrBJPitt in Germany support stops at 25kmh.so. Unless im going uphill, i can do that on my own. Would only be the same workout if im going 40 instead of25kmh using the same human force as usually
Just waiting for mine to be delivered, hopefully this week? It will be perfect for my on/off road requirements :-)
It would be fab to get a real user review of the Grail:ON @funofflying
Hi Carlo, frankly I love my new Canyon Grail:ON bike and I'm really glad that I bought it. In order to keep fit, on mainly road riding, I have actually elected not to use the Bosch motor for about 95% of the ride time and only use it when I really need to i.e. going up steep hills, which is say 5% of the total ride time. There are four motor settings and the most I've ever needed is the second TOUR setting, which is more than enough to meet my needs and saves battery life. When using it like this, I can go out on quite a few rides of say 70km each, before even thinking about charging the battery up again. The bike feels very sturdy and weighs in at around 19kgs. Clearly the bike was very expensive, but to my mind, it was totally worth it! The only thing to consider seriously is who will maintain it for you, as there are no Canyon dealers even here in the UK?? Fortunately I can cope with most bike repairs, although if anything went wrong with the Bosch motor and gearbox, then I would probably have to send the bike back to Germany for repair. Just in case, I have kept the shipping box that it originally came in. Hope this is of some use, but please ask if you need anything else? Regards Paul
Thank you@@funofflying15 thats helpful. 19Kgs!? Wow, the website spec says 15.9Kg............
Carlo Crighton Hi again, I've just weighed my bike again to be certain and it comes in at 18kg, with the only extra being a seat post bag with two inner tubes in it. Hope this helps and regards from the UK :-)
@@funofflying15 If you're riding on mostly road/tarmac, I don't recommend this bike. I would get an Orbea gain or other e-road bikes that have the smaller less torquey rear hub motor and only goes to 20 mph. Perfect for road riding. The Grail-On is for gravel and hills.
What size should I get. I am 5’9”.
Does anyone know why there aren't any speed pedelec (45kmh) with drop handlebars? I know this one is derestrictable (although obviously illegal and thus noticable) but still..
Can we use this on zwift
A future bike
Does it behave like a normal bike if you deactivate the assistance and take off the battery ? (except the weight of course)
Yup, it rides like a heavy Grail.
This is very appealing. Just wish I could buy it from a local shop. I hate the thought of bringing this to a local shop for service.
I’m about to order one of these, but on the sizing chart I’m right on the limit between size small and size medium. I’ve never bought a size small! has anyone gone for a size they thought they needed and found it to be too big? I’m 5’10” inside leg 32”.
Most beautiful ebike ever created so far. Can we put a front suspension forks on this thing?
Thinking about the Lauf Grit SL - it may work...
I freakin love my Grail on. It handles the road and gravel roads with ease. Semi technical very well, a tad bumpy but its a damn Ferrari. Love everything about it except the charging port cover & dont much care for the odd handle bars. The chain stay protector sucks and it needs a real chain guide!
That squirrel would have had an even quicker... "relieve", if Dan had the E-Bike back then.... 7:53
8:54 My face as well when I rode on an e-gravel bike for the first time.
Still waiting for the first Tri/TT e-bike. It's about the time to see one in the market, isn't it? :D
Just ordered one, I hope Canyon won't mess up delivery times..
Have you got the canyon yet if so how is it?
@@59trevski fantastic !!!
Can you charge an E bike with a SON hub? To extend the reach.
Perpetual motion machine? 😂
Nice bike. Any aluminum or steel ones? Every carbon frame I've had broke all seven. Gave up carbon Six yrs ago. Tired of walking home on country roads with no traffic miles from,pavement. Ride a Salsa Vaya Steel . Alum Diverge and alum Trek Crockett. Road bike Ritchey Road Logic.
amazing seriously speaking. where are we now is amazing as well. price? amazingly high ;-( but ok, people have lots of money on the toys ;-)
Hi! What about the 25 kmh speed limit in Europe? With a non electric gravel bike you can easily go over 25 kmh. When the support stops at 25, is it easy to go harder (without electric support of course)?
In usa. It is a class 3. To 28 mph. Just got mine yesterday,
Thanks for pointing out where the battery is... almost missed it 😂
I think this is the best gravel E-bike on the market but can anyone tell me if they're available in Australia?! I messaged Canyon and even they were vague about it. TIA.
There goes my KOMs
I prefer the Orbea Gain D31!
A purion display? Really? This thing is crying out for a kiox!!
Kiox gives you a power meter, cadence display, HR connectivity, directions, and an app that you can monitor your power, cadence, climbing and speed post ride!
If we see this ride on Strava Si ... I swear to god
As an ex first category rider in the 70s, I now have spinal nerve root compression and a pacemaker for a heart Arythmia. Ebikes are the only way I can keep riding a bike. I wish the people who are fortunate enough to enjoy robust health and fitness would consider they may not always have the gift of fitness and they too may need a “helping hand” of an electric motor
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Chris, you are so right....I have heart failure (35% ejection fraction) at 64 and have an eMTB. It has, literally, saved my life allowing me to continue riding. Now, I think I NEED one of these! E bikes can still give you a MAJOR workout (turn it off and anyone would be struggling!). The US needs to allow ebikes on more trails. They do NOT tear up the trails any more than an acoustic bike! Ride on.
Does the motor make noise?
An audible humming noise that increases in the whine when going faster but, trust me, you won't notice it unless you like to ride on quiet rolling smooth roads all day.
Where's the droper seatpost?
Plot twist: The bike is so heavy it can't keep up.
So cool but I couldn’t get it because someone would so steal that if I locked that up just to go 5 mins into the corner store 😂
I get the appeal of gravel bikes, and I get the appeal of e-bikes, but I don't understand gravel e-bikes. If you're gonna have a motor, why not just get an e-mtb? It's more capable, and you're not as worried about weight or aero if you have a motor.
Aging population with more rails to trails. I might buy a bike like this when I am over 70
I'm with you. electric road bikes make no sense too! (unless you "forgot" to tell your fellow competitors before a race). If you've got that extra help and a speed restriction (in most parts of the world), what use is aerodynamics and weight in a bike that's significantly less comfortable than say, a very practical touring bike?
Have you tried an ev gravel bike?
Matt MacPherson Dude.. I’m 41 and I’d love one to extend my range.
I wanna use it as a general long distance. MTB isn’t really suited for that. And before you say what about a road bike, there’s loads of bad roads and fire roads so much more comfortable for longer chilled rides.
Love the bike they need to work on the price