Specialized Crux v Canyon Grail: Which is the best gravel bike?

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  • A shootout between the brand new Canyon Grail and the Specialized Crux, comparing performance, ride quality, weight, price, tyre clearance, versatility and more. Which are you choose?
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  • @Ruben1988
    @Ruben1988 Před 7 měsíci +38

    Love the crux, but the price difference is crazy, really hard to justify

  • @dariolofino
    @dariolofino Před 7 měsíci +22

    The head says Grail, the heart says Crux.

  • @karlbulow2574
    @karlbulow2574 Před 7 měsíci +19

    Dealing with Canyon is however not very problematic, and certainly not problematic enough to justify 4k…
    The bike industry is not adapting and persists on using old business models in a globalized world. Not very unlike what’s going on in the automotive industry…
    Love the channel, keep it up!

  • @johntrussell7228
    @johntrussell7228 Před 7 měsíci +9

    The Crux is still the GOAT. No pressfit BB, better tire clearance, lighter, better carbon layup, better handling, no internal cable routing....

  • @pierrestaub8628
    @pierrestaub8628 Před 7 měsíci +2

    The video I am so waiting for ! Thx David always at best !

  • @boscoboys
    @boscoboys Před 7 měsíci +10

    As an owner of a Crux Expert, it’s light weight enough to hold candles with some of my roadies friends in the road rides as well as lend its own in the cross and gravel rides. I got the Crux 25 days ago and was well aware of the new Grail.
    After having a Canyon Aeroad, I will really take the customisation route anyday. The fully integrated cockpits are a joke. I can’t even get an aftermarket one unless I really haggle the customer service.

  • @TyTy22_
    @TyTy22_ Před 7 měsíci +1

    I’m glad you’re doing this comparison video as they’re both bikes I’m considering at the moment. My two biggest questions I have for you are how you feel about the increased reach on the Grail and having to use a smaller stem as a result, and if you think it would be a good choice as a CX bike for a few days out of the year. I’ve tried using an 80mm stem on my Grizl and couldn’t stick with it due to always feeling like I would dump the bike if I tried to turn the handlebars even the slightest. That setup would be the same reach as going a size down on the Grail, which I’ve considered doing because of just how massive the bike is.
    The Crux seems to be a fantastic do-it-all bike, and with the mentioned concerns I have with the Grail, am leaning more towards now.

  • @gerryl8310
    @gerryl8310 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Thank you David! So appreciate your video on the subject. Can't thank you enough. Myself, I was firmly "stuck in the mud" as it were deciding btw these two rides. My only question is if you lived in Los Angeles instead of Cotswold how that might influence your thoughts btw the two bikes. While having the ability to go wider than a 42 is certainly desirable. I'm not sure how critical it is in my part of the world. Love to hear your thoughts on that as I know how much you enjoyed sampling our fine champagne gravel out here. Again super grateful for what you do. Such an enjoyable channel to watch. My verdict and hard earned $ is going to... the Grail. While the Crux is more proven and no brainer of a choice. I am throwing caution to the wind and ordering the Grail. I'm a size small with them but will still order the pro version of their handlebar when available to better dial things in and plan on 100% buying a new set of wheels. Got my eyes on a few choices that will drop btw 300g to 400g. Hope you get a chance to get back out west again. Temps have finally cooled off and hitting today's ride with nothing but blue sky and 73 degrees. Cheers!

  • @adossantos69751
    @adossantos69751 Před 7 měsíci +16

    I went for the Crux because of its versatility. Simple, no integration, no proprietary parts and the ease of maintanance. Its light, agile and super fast on the road as well as gravel. It probably the best bike I haveever had and I also ride the tarmac sl7. If I had to keep only one It would keep the Crux.

    • @wherearewe324
      @wherearewe324 Před 7 měsíci +4

      You probably prefer downtube shifters too hey 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @adossantos69751
      @adossantos69751 Před 7 měsíci +2

      I actually have a Dawes steel frame with downtube shifters! 😂

  • @mpkback
    @mpkback Před 7 měsíci +7

    I'm very keen on the Grail, but I'd be interested to see how the CFR compares to the CF SLX8. Looking at the specs of both, the extra £2k for the CFR doesn't seem worth it.

  • @biohayzer
    @biohayzer Před 7 měsíci +3

    The Canyon ticks so many boxes for me with intentions of commuting on it. Down tube storage to keep the rucksack as light as possible and proprietary mudguards for the crap Irish weather…I may have to get one😁

  • @nicolasname5239
    @nicolasname5239 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Got Crux as couldn't get over the double decker gimmick... after full season I wouldn't even look back! In the mean time got Grail CF Throwback for my 😊 "daughter", as it's also miraculously my size I could ride it anytime but 99% of my riding is on Crux - still completely in love with it and suits me 100%. Simplicity, versatility and classic look is the key for me.

  • @hainmann
    @hainmann Před 7 měsíci

    Good work David!

  • @mirama1990
    @mirama1990 Před 7 měsíci

    I was deciding between those two bikes aswell.
    In the end I was put off by the lack of tire clearance and the wide handlebar. Sure the UDH standart and the downtube storage are nice but not a must for me.
    Eventually I went for the Crux Comp that I found on sale online.
    I upgraded the wheelset to DT Swiss GRC 1400 and a Garbaruk 10-50 cassette and am super happy with my setup. As soon as the drivetrain wears out and GRX di2 is out (hopefully) I‘ll upgrade the groupset too.
    The price will maybe land 10% higher than the canyon with all the upgrades but it will be my dream build.

  • @neil78
    @neil78 Před 7 měsíci +3

    The two bikes need to have a baby. Lightweight bike with 45mm clearance, in and on frame storage, non proprietary flexible seat post, option for external handlebar mounting, slightly slacker steering, ability for 1x and 2x gearing.
    I like the looks of the crux but I don’t like the lack of frame mounting options and the steering is a bit too twitchy for the rough gravel and docents for me.

  • @stefanodirector
    @stefanodirector Před 7 měsíci +1

    Love the Crux classy lines, the PJ is right up my alley and it is a real beauty. The Grail though seems way more practical and I love the new handlebars. It's also way cheaper. Thanks David.

  • @kubagornowicz
    @kubagornowicz Před 7 měsíci +3

    Sad that they ditched more affordable entry level Crux models. I'd wanted to get back to it after short romance with XC and find some eye watering prices only. I had 2016 E6 and it was fantastic, capable of all sorts of terrain even with 28c slicks on.

  • @KenSmith-bv4si
    @KenSmith-bv4si Před 7 měsíci +2

    I would get the Crux but, I already have an Aethos. Awesome video David.

    • @tombola4046
      @tombola4046 Před 7 měsíci

      Sold my Aethos to buy a crux, depending on the gearing you choose the Crux can do everything the Aethos can do and handle cross and gravel. Absolute perfect bike for all needs.

  • @craiglewis6821
    @craiglewis6821 Před 7 měsíci

    The Grail would be my pick, David. I love the channel, keep up the great work. Regards from Arizona

  • @aligooya8514
    @aligooya8514 Před 7 měsíci +3

    When you on the bike, you don’t look at your own bike and say: “oh I look fantastic on this bike”, you want functionality and compliance of your bike. For that reason I would take Canyon.

  • @cdeluise
    @cdeluise Před 7 měsíci +17

    While I'm extremely happy with my Crux Pro it is crazy stiff. Out of the box it was 16 Pounds. I live in the mountains so I appreciate the low weight. My rides are usually 60% gravel\40 road. There's absolutely nothing proprietary which I love. Just way too expensive...

    • @vigneshie
      @vigneshie Před 7 měsíci +1

      Crazy stiff as in too uncomfortable on gravel?

    • @cdeluise
      @cdeluise Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@vigneshie Not too uncomfortable for chunky gravel & singletrack. It's very direct & sharp - just like a race bike should be. Like Dave Arthur mentioned, I feel like I always need to be fully focused when off-road going fast.

  • @paulfrancisjenkins6483
    @paulfrancisjenkins6483 Před 7 měsíci

    I have a crux pro, which I love. Gravel in the Sumer, road bike in the winter. What suspension seat post and stem do you recommend?

  • @amo1850
    @amo1850 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I've had a Canyon Grizl for over a year. Getting parts for Canyon is a major issue. I had to pay over $100 for headset bearing due to shipping costing more than the part. Now I need a chainsuck plate (fell off somewhere), and it is not available. Canyon said, "Sign up for newsletter to be notified of all new gear arrival," so I could possibly get one in "Spring 2024." The ride & carbon on Canyon is great. Unfortunately replacement parts when needed are the issue with Canyon.

  • @carlsimmons305
    @carlsimmons305 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Sounds like I would be interested in having the Crux frame with the Grail Bars & which ever Group Set suited me best.
    The bonus with the Grail is that the little extras such as storage, mud guards with great integrated bars & cost, while the Cruz has better clearance, aero, weight & simplicity.

  • @barrowsworm1226
    @barrowsworm1226 Před 7 měsíci +9

    Thanks David! I would choose the new Grail as I am looking for and appreciate the higher stability, as well as the aero touches, in frame storage, and improved frame compliance. The Grail has a shorter seat tube for a given size, allowing for more exposed seat post and, subsequently, more seat post flex. It appears the Crux has too much cyclocross in its blood to suit my riding (long seat tube to allow easier shouldering perhaps). I also would prefer the longer/slacker Grail for my riding. Here in Colorado most gravel riding is fast, and long distances, so aero and stability are plusses, and it is dry, so fitting a 45 mm tire is probably OK if one needs it, although I always end up on 40 it seems. I do dislike that I cannot purchase a Grail frameset, but Canyon prices are such that I can work around that, even to the point of stripping a frame and selling the parts to end up with a custom build.

    • @louisvuittondom
      @louisvuittondom Před 7 měsíci

      Better tape that Grail up if you are squeezing 45mm tires on that Grail… idk where you’re riding in Colorado but our bikes are always muddy in Colorado. Also, the seatpost he has on the model in the video is the only one that doesn’t come with the post that is designed to flex while riding

    • @barrowsworm1226
      @barrowsworm1226 Před 7 měsíci

      CO, Boulder area: our soils are mostly sandy, and the weather is mostly dry. Even when wet, mud build up is rarely a problem, if ever. Most of the time I ride with 40 mm G One RS tires, as they suit my needs perfectly for the fast gravel riding and racing I prefer. Pretty sure, for the few times I ride a bit more chunkier routes, that 45 mm RS would work fine in this frame. Of course if I was going on a truly muddy ride, I'd be riding narrower tires anyway-so no worries there.
      As for the seatpost, I can fit on a M Grail, and have a a bike which is 23 mm longer than my present one, with .5 degree slacker HA and 6 mm more BB drop-this is going to be more stable at speed-and the seat tube is way shorter, exposing more seat post and allowing more seat post flex vs my current bike. Note that the carbon layup on the new Grail D shape seat post is higher flex than what they use for the road bikes-noted by Canyon. Sure this is not the same amount of flex as the former leaf spring design, but it is also not overly heavy-I like fast gravel rides, covering long distances, climbing mountains, and racing, and this bike suits my needs better than any other bike I can find.@@louisvuittondom

    • @louisvuittondom
      @louisvuittondom Před 6 měsíci

      @@barrowsworm1226 my only advice is ride it before you buy it.

    • @barrowsworm1226
      @barrowsworm1226 Před 6 měsíci

      Not really an option, but I am not concerned about a test ride-this bike is the only one I am aware of which has the geometry and features I am looking vs. my current bike (Stigmata 3). With the new Grail, I can ride a medium frame, and get a longer reach and wheelbase, a lower BB, and a slightly slacker HA, all leading to more stability, which I want in a big way. The Stig 3 is a little to Cyclocrossy for me, which is the same with the Crux. Additionally, frame storage is a big plus for everyday riding, allowing one to ditch the seat bag. Plus, the Grail has a much shorter seat tube vs my Stig 3, or the Crux, allowing for more exposed seat post for more compliance-long seat tubes are stupid (leading to a heavier frame and less compliance) for a gravel bike, if you are not looking for something to ride 'cross on. The aero factor of the Grail is a bit of a plus, but not a big deal, but the longer/lower geo is the main thing for me-this makes sense for a real gravel bike, which is not compromised by having 'cross design features. In fact, there are huge differences between what works right for cross and gravel, and any bike designed to suit both is going to be a severe compromise. Gravel events are long, and fast, and most turns are often sweepers. Here in CO, most rides and courses are pretty wide open and fast. Cyclocross is the opposite: super short events, at mostly slow speeds, with lots of very tight slow speed turns, and steep short climbs and descents. To me the new Grail is a purpose designed gravel bike for fast rides and racing-just what I am looking for.@@louisvuittondom

  • @aaughracing
    @aaughracing Před 7 měsíci +1

    I have the Crux Comp and love it. Looking to buy a bike for my son and really don't want to spend what I spent on the Crux for him. The Grail CF SL 7 is what I was looking at for him. Is it decent and is there really a downside to owning a Canyon?

    • @perfectzero84
      @perfectzero84 Před 4 měsíci

      I have a canyon grail cf sl 8 with the hoverbars. I’ve owned for a year now and haven’t had any issues. I did try and contact canyon to find out availability for the hoverbars in the future , god forbid I crash and need new bars, and it took a while to get a response.

  • @DCCSound
    @DCCSound Před 7 měsíci +1

    The new Grail just gives me more desire for a Grizl update. UDH, no integration or cables through headset, maybe downtube storage please.

  • @kevenfernandez4511
    @kevenfernandez4511 Před 7 měsíci

    Waiting on a new crux. Hopefully with storage and maybe something with cable routing through the headset. Would buy

  • @EmmanuelNataf
    @EmmanuelNataf Před 7 měsíci +3

    Could you add the Time ADHX 45 to the mix?

  • @imola8
    @imola8 Před měsícem

    Thanks a lot for this great comparison. I am struggling in deciding between the crux, gnew grail and a giant revolt advanced. Comparison between crux and giant revolt advanced would be great as well.
    I absolutely love the classic and lively colorsappearance of the crux and the standard parts used but its limited to 1by only and has no mounts at all. I love the value of a grail in cf slx version, 2by option but dont like the proprietary parts that make it difficult to adjust and to service. I love the giant which is in between the two and heard it has really great riding comfort and easy servicable.
    Can you point me to a bike for commuting, gravel rides and fast road rides?? I believe the answer would be the giant, but the crux is just so lovely and triggers me the most. But 1by for road rides and no mounting options doesnt make it a good commuter bike doesnt it? I‘m lost in so many options and every bike has an issue for my use case 😢

  • @yucelmutlusoy
    @yucelmutlusoy Před 2 měsíci +1

    I’d choose Crux only for the paint job, stunning looking bike 👏🏻

    • @imola8
      @imola8 Před měsícem

      Love the paint job as well. Wicked understatement

  • @donschloth5785
    @donschloth5785 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I went with the Crux as well since I’m riding an Aethos for the road. I love th way the Aethos feels and rides and I wanted a similar ride for gravel.

    • @TheUsername1302
      @TheUsername1302 Před 7 měsíci

      How do the sizes compare? I have an aethos myself and looking at a crux

    • @brody5211
      @brody5211 Před 6 měsíci

      @@TheUsername1302I’d go down one size

    • @TheUsername1302
      @TheUsername1302 Před 6 měsíci

      @@brody5211 why? If I may ask

  • @kriSfor11
    @kriSfor11 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Wow, perfect timing on this video, since I am exactly on the fence deciding between those two. Love the spare part storage on the Grail but really dislike that they don't let you choose the handle bar sizing. The Crux just looks sooo good and offers more versatility as a bike with 2-3 wheelsets.

    • @mathiewp8923
      @mathiewp8923 Před 7 měsíci

      The same, Im 5" before a purchase, ut in my opinion the Spec roubaix is better choice.

    • @sugxi
      @sugxi Před 7 měsíci +2

      Ok maybe it's cause I'm young but classic stays and no uniqueness in the frame looks so boring and geeky on carbon bikes. It's fine on a ti or vintage bikes ofc. Why would I get a carbon frame that hasn't been optimized for performance and looks when there's not really any limitations on the manufacturing it's just really nonsensical to me.

    • @bikemike1118
      @bikemike1118 Před 6 měsíci

      @@sugxithe more „looks“ you want in a carbon bike the more carbon it takes … if so the Crux wouldn’t be as lightweight as it is.
      And that plus it’s classic (timeless) looks is a major point for the Specialized. Simplicity in looks also NEVER goes out of fashion…if one likes to keep his bike for more than 2-3 years time …which to me is no time for a bike ownership

    • @sugxi
      @sugxi Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@bikemike1118 drop seat stays less carbon more aero more drip (they probably have to add a layer or two somewhere to keep structural integrity but overall less carbon) and if by timeless you mean something everyone and their mom has sure

    • @glebsorokin
      @glebsorokin Před 3 dny

      @@bikemike1118 Lightweight? Are you serious? The difference in weight is literally 700 grams, and this is partly due to the fact that Specialized takes a smaller frame than Canyon as its starting point. This will save at best 5 watts, which will allow you to cover a distance of 100 km 2 minutes faster. A fair reason to pay a few thousand dollars more for a bike, isn't it? Bruh... 🤠

  • @serpadu
    @serpadu Před 7 měsíci +6

    I was kinda a Specialized fanboy, but their recent build specs and pricing are dragging me to the canyon side. For sure my next bike will be a Grail (but currently unavailable on their page).

  • @alainreyers
    @alainreyers Před 7 měsíci

    What about the Scott addict gravel 2024? I have seen those on the gravel European championships bike stands……crazy light…

  • @Crypterix
    @Crypterix Před 7 měsíci +1

    I'd really like to see your thoughts on the new Santa Cruz Stigmata. I'm couldnt't ride it yet and also didn't ride the new Grail yet but im stuck in making a decision between these two bikes.

    • @davidarthur
      @davidarthur  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I've asked to review the Stigmata so hopefully soon that'll happen

    • @Crypterix
      @Crypterix Před 7 měsíci

      @@davidarthur Thanks, I'm excited to see that. Hopefully it won't take too long for Santa Cruz to reach out to you.

  • @shred3005
    @shred3005 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Specialized prices generally 😱🤬.
    And the Canyon is a way better looking bike. So there’s two boxes ticked for Canyon before you start considering the way they ride.

  • @SvenfromKiel
    @SvenfromKiel Před 3 měsíci

    Thanks!! So..the Crux classic optic is so much nicer for me and I really like the BSA and flexibility and nevertheless it is much more easy for met to get the Grail here in germany I want my next bike to be the Crux. Maybe because I come actually from a czech CX frame with a lot of race genes and similar geometry and it is very good on trails, too. By the way for me the Crux has in my mind more character. 🙂 ps: I had 2 Canyon MTB before and had a lot of trouble with service and waiting for parts by the way...

  • @fentuz
    @fentuz Před 7 měsíci

    Having seen the bike @ supermarine, I prefer your crux... but if it had been compared against a slightly different bike from Canyon i.e. Grizl, I would have gone for a grizl with XC transmission and tyres... perfect for bridgeways around Ciren.

  • @mayalman
    @mayalman Před 7 měsíci +11

    The canyon seems to be the “better” tool for the gravel job. But I prefer the looks of the crux. I would take either.

    • @user-ti9zc1xv2b
      @user-ti9zc1xv2b Před 7 měsíci +2

      So odd; I think the bike looks absolutely cheap

    • @sugxi
      @sugxi Před 7 měsíci +2

      ​@@user-ti9zc1xv2b agree speaking just on looks it's literally just as bland and basic as possible. The grail has actual visual language with that modern yet rugged canyon aesthetic

    • @LifeCycle1978
      @LifeCycle1978 Před 7 měsíci +2

      Meh. Neither bike appeals to me but Canyon paint team needs to up their game. “Bland” would still give the bike too much credit.

    • @sugxi
      @sugxi Před 7 měsíci

      @@LifeCycle1978 I don't disagree it's definitely not a very bright or unique paint job. But do you see what I mean by specializeds frame they just drew out the geometry lines and then said yup let's just round it off a little and call it a day.

    • @PeerensClement
      @PeerensClement Před 7 měsíci

      @@sugxiThe Crux frame is just an aethos with wider tire clearance.

  • @blinzi69
    @blinzi69 Před 6 měsíci

    whats the seatpost on the crux?

  • @robertchandler587
    @robertchandler587 Před 7 měsíci

    It’s a bit horses for courses with the grail maybe more endurance focused and more mount options but the crux is more sporty, agile. I think the crux is the better looking bike and very adaptable with standard seapost, external cables, seperate bar/stem, standard headset.

  • @StephanBechert
    @StephanBechert Před 7 měsíci +6

    Yeahh! C-Sworks CRUX looking much better.

  • @RunRecoverRally
    @RunRecoverRally Před 7 měsíci +3

    Simplicity of the Crux wins my heart. Seems perfect for my 70% road, 30% gravel mix in Kansas. Plus I don’t race, so that classic look already gives the Crux a leg up in my comparison.

    • @cdeluise
      @cdeluise Před 7 měsíci

      I love that my Crux is simple. I ride 45min road each way to gravel. Sometimes I choose it over my Tarmac for casual road rides too.

  • @muratmustafa4532
    @muratmustafa4532 Před 6 měsíci

    It would be great if you could throw in the new Roubaix in that comparison.

  • @laurensvermeulen800
    @laurensvermeulen800 Před 7 měsíci

    Can you do a review of the canyon grail as a "one bike does all". In other words: would it be a good road bike with other wheels?

    • @davidarthur
      @davidarthur  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Yes it can be, all gravel bikes can work well as road bikes with road tyres. There will of course be compromises especially if outright speed is your focus but if it's not then any gravel bike can be a decent road bike

    • @laurensvermeulen800
      @laurensvermeulen800 Před 7 měsíci

      Thank you @@davidarthur! My question actually is: I'm looking for a one does all bike. To still have a fast road bike, I'm looking into quite aggresive and aero gravelbikes. Do you think this is one of the better options in this respect?

    • @basdevaan517
      @basdevaan517 Před 6 měsíci

      For the last three years I’m using a Inflite CF SL 8 as an “one bike does all”. Road, Gravel, CX, Some Xc and even in high mountains with a oneby. But honestly, it is a compromise. Please Arthur do elaborate on the Grail on road use.

    • @davidarthur
      @davidarthur  Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@basdevaan517 see my latest video on the Grail for how it rides on the road ;)

  • @n22pdf
    @n22pdf Před 7 měsíci +5

    100% prefer the look of the Crux 😊 Pete

  • @aliancemd
    @aliancemd Před 7 měsíci +1

    I send my bike through what looks like an XC MTB track - I would feel uncomfortable combining the abuse my bike takes with those extremely thin Crux fork and back. A very thin lightweight frame is fine for road or reviewers but not a long-term gravel bike, for us people that don’t get free bikes

  • @maxlloyd3740
    @maxlloyd3740 Před 7 měsíci

    The Cruz for me.
    Lighter and more practical.
    Just the price is the limiting factor!
    😥
    Great video by the way!

  • @cheronoliver6508
    @cheronoliver6508 Před 7 měsíci +7

    Crux all day ❤❤❤

  • @timklein4884
    @timklein4884 Před 7 měsíci

    they are both great bikes, but i have a Crux, i ride gravel and CX race it, its a pretty awesome bike

  • @filipholzer5837
    @filipholzer5837 Před měsícem

    whats the size of the grail in the video?

  • @user-oi4pr8vv7h
    @user-oi4pr8vv7h Před 7 měsíci

    Crux looks amazing.... not ridden either... Yet.

  • @thilo1berg
    @thilo1berg Před 7 měsíci

    a prefer the crux, it looks better and I also like the simplicity

  • @kippen64
    @kippen64 Před 7 měsíci

    I like the look of the Grail. However it's not perfect. Starting to think I might have to build my own bike. Not a fun prospect when I have to rely on friends for mechanical know how.

  • @seansims8805
    @seansims8805 Před 7 měsíci

    Settled , im stealing a crux !😮😊

  • @jonpoon3896
    @jonpoon3896 Před 7 měsíci

    Canyon Grail riders have had the upper hand over Specialized riders this year. But the Crux works for how I ride

  • @nationsnumber1chump
    @nationsnumber1chump Před 7 měsíci

    For me, I'd go with the Crust. Pizza crust 😄

  • @echtogammut
    @echtogammut Před 7 měsíci

    If Canyon allowed you to pick handlebar, crank length and/or components independent of frame color, I would be all over the Canyon.

    • @userdjee834
      @userdjee834 Před 7 měsíci

      Even if you did all that paying extra/aftermarket it still costs a small car less than the Crux, so..

  • @StanEby1
    @StanEby1 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I was one of the first 10 viewers and one of the first 5 thumbs uppers. I'm moving up in the world. All the best.😂

  • @guipinckaerts2555
    @guipinckaerts2555 Před 7 měsíci

    Crux… Build on myself… mullet. And Ergon flex post…. Fact 10r frame … ist a Allrounder all Route mean Maschine 😂

  • @adamossowski7627
    @adamossowski7627 Před měsícem

    I bought grail handlebars to put them on crux 😎

  • @DavideXillia
    @DavideXillia Před 7 měsíci

    @davidarthur can you fit 44 tire on the grail ?

    • @davidarthur
      @davidarthur  Před 7 měsíci

      The answer is in the video ;)

    • @DavideXillia
      @DavideXillia Před 7 měsíci

      se 45 non è consigliato con una misura di meno like 44 ?

  • @adamcoppock5018
    @adamcoppock5018 Před 7 měsíci

    Couple of things… 1. I don’t understand why you need an aero frame for gravel. 2. I don’t understand why bike companies are following mtb geometry principles (longer/slacker) that were designed for straight line high speed stability when the limiting factor tp speed on a gravel bike is rubber on the trail, probably more a marketing thing. 3. Why a new gravel bike wouldn’t take a 47 tire, especially seeing that it is promoting longer slacker marketing principles… 4. Why you’d want to lose the adjustability of a separate stem and handlebar especially on something like a gravel bike where the rider occupies so many different positions on the bike and fit needs to be dialled in. I have a crux comp and its excellent but more expensive than a canyon. I have no idea why someone would pay so much for for the sworks frame over the normal version to save 100 grams 😂

    • @dortadamas
      @dortadamas Před 5 měsíci

      R3: Can you put on the CRUX a 52/36 Crankset?

  • @O_Canada
    @O_Canada Před 6 měsíci

    at this price, i can just go get a litespeed g2 or watia. No reason not to have an aluminum crux option either...

  • @androiduro
    @androiduro Před 7 měsíci +1

    Gracias por el vídeo💪. I want tarmac sl8 pro and Epic ht. By

  • @littlevo9
    @littlevo9 Před 7 měsíci

    Specialized the best bike brand !

  • @SimenBru
    @SimenBru Před 7 měsíci

    With only 42mm tire clearance for the grail, the crux will win everytime.

  • @brianschaning1575
    @brianschaning1575 Před 7 měsíci

    canyon really dropped the ball not making the clearance for 45

  • @jrwnd99
    @jrwnd99 Před 7 měsíci

    How about a Secan v Crux comparison - your two gravely bikes?

    • @davidarthur
      @davidarthur  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Just rebuilding the Secan so I'll add that to the list

  • @1777DK
    @1777DK Před 7 měsíci

    Crux is better looking, but unnecessarily expensive.

  • @mmurmurjohnson2368
    @mmurmurjohnson2368 Před 7 měsíci

    Crux is a cyclocross bike but they're all pretty much gravel bikes these days even the road bikes LOL

  • @ImranWorldCyclist
    @ImranWorldCyclist Před 7 měsíci +2

    The Canyon would have been a more like for like comparison with the Diverge being more gravel orientated. The Crux is basically just an Aethos with more tyre clearance!

    • @davidarthur
      @davidarthur  Před 7 měsíci

      Worth comparing the geometry of the two bikes as I did

  • @raymonds2687
    @raymonds2687 Před 7 měsíci

    Please do a Creo 2, Domane + and Scott Solace eride gravel comparison.

  • @abcdefg8134
    @abcdefg8134 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Crux looks much better. And that’s the most important thing, 😊

  • @elultimohabitante
    @elultimohabitante Před 7 měsíci

    If big S lovers knew about the bike cost (CIF), they would never buy them again.

  • @louisvuittondom
    @louisvuittondom Před 7 měsíci

    There is another bottle cage mount on the downtube mate

  • @igorpilot
    @igorpilot Před 7 měsíci

    Trouble with the Grail is complete lack of personality, it’s just a bland collection of parts. Original Grail had charisma.
    Crux is a beautiful bike.
    All modern gravel bikes are capable. And David has never reviewed a gravel bike he didn’t like. Which also says a few other things apart from capability.
    So it comes down to character and value. Some folks want value. Some want those who know, know they dropped £12k on a bike. (Although buying this £9.5k Grail in LTD colorway is just as poor a value + lower resell. It’s all relative isn’t it)
    All in all Crux is one of the best gravel bikes out there atm.

    • @davidarthur
      @davidarthur  Před 7 měsíci +1

      You didn't watch my review of the 3T Exploro Racemax then? or the Wilier Rave SLR? ;)

    • @igorpilot
      @igorpilot Před 7 měsíci

      I think I did watch the racemax (that one has loads of character by the way) But missed the Willier - touché 😄

  • @KevinMatassa
    @KevinMatassa Před 7 měsíci

    sadly, or the LS ;-) I get the feeling it would compare closer to the Crux (failing in tire clearance though). I bought the frameset and built to suit.

  • @dcv9460
    @dcv9460 Před 7 měsíci +32

    Canyon is way more bang for your buck! CANYON! 💯😎 NO BRAINER 💯

    • @cyclingjack
      @cyclingjack Před 7 měsíci

      Not this cfr… very pricey. And the sl cheap ones don’t have the same bar nor storage spaces. That you get from 5000 euro upwards. So i am not sure about the ‘no brainer’. The canyon grizl is a great competitor with bigger tyre possibilities.

    • @7_ply298
      @7_ply298 Před 7 měsíci +3

      The joke is saving $500 on a canyon, then spending $1000 fixing things that came broken from the factory 😉

    • @Design1498
      @Design1498 Před 4 měsíci

      Canyon boring

  • @ian_pedalz
    @ian_pedalz Před 7 měsíci

    Carbon on gravel is so strange to me. But these are cool endurance bikes with extra tire clearance lol

    • @RunRecoverRally
      @RunRecoverRally Před 7 měsíci +1

      The geo on the Crux is nowhere near “Endurance”

    • @ian_pedalz
      @ian_pedalz Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@RunRecoverRally that is correct, I was looking at the diverge geo. The Cruz is so close to a road bike it’s wild.

    • @ravenmoto5948
      @ravenmoto5948 Před 7 měsíci +1

      ​@@ian_pedalzIt is a road bike with more tire clearance, that's all.

    • @ian_pedalz
      @ian_pedalz Před 7 měsíci

      @@ravenmoto5948if it’s not a 90’s mtb with drop bars it’s a road bike with tire clearance. The marketing is real lol

  • @billmaidment5623
    @billmaidment5623 Před 7 měsíci +2

    If I had the money I’d get a Crux. I’m an old curmudgeon so I like the looks, non proprietary parts and tire clearance. KISS.

  • @Designer_Opine
    @Designer_Opine Před 7 měsíci

    Canyon.

  • @wsbygt
    @wsbygt Před 7 měsíci

    I do like the new Grail design but the Crux looks better! I was expecting a much bigger weight difference..

  • @cjohnson3836
    @cjohnson3836 Před 7 měsíci +2

    I'd still take your Fairlight, personally

  • @shaunhorrocks5289
    @shaunhorrocks5289 Před 7 měsíci

    Canyon all day long

  • @DanielEarlester
    @DanielEarlester Před 7 měsíci +1

    Clear as mud then 😆

  • @igorpilot
    @igorpilot Před 7 měsíci

    I’d also add that one can’t have it all in one bike and if I were to simplify the spectrum of gravel bikes and your recent reviews it would be:
    1. Aero to go for a couple of hours on flats TT style on mostly flat gravel - that’s Grail
    2. Light weight to do more off road climbing - that’s Crux
    3. Suspension for more downhill off road - that’s the bikes with front forks like Revolt X you compared to Crux not too long ago.
    All depends on where you live and what you want to do.
    Same as in MTB world. Can’t have one MTB only.
    Neverending N+1 never ends.

  • @philtomlinson8220
    @philtomlinson8220 Před 7 měsíci +1

    For me the Crux looks waaaay better than the Canyon IMHO. To me he bigger tyre clearance are more useful than the additional features on the Canyon.
    Mudguard mounts and in the frame storage are nice to have, but there's no substitute for tyre tyre clearance.
    The Canyon definitely wins out in value for money though.

  • @robclarke5438
    @robclarke5438 Před 7 měsíci

    crux all day

  • @gravelcyclingcanada
    @gravelcyclingcanada Před 7 měsíci

    Just get a 3T 😉

  • @EugeneJefimov
    @EugeneJefimov Před 5 měsíci +1

    Canyons quality is soo poor , so no - thanks. Prefer specialized crux for simplicity and weight , or another brand.

  • @PeerensClement
    @PeerensClement Před 7 měsíci

    Isn't the Crux their 'cyclocross bike'? So manufacturers tried to convince us a gravel bike was 'different' from
    a CX bike, and now they are selling their CX bikes as gravel bikes as well? 😅 You cannot have it both ways.

    • @davidarthur
      @davidarthur  Před 7 měsíci

      Did you watch the video? The answer is in the video. But in short, yes gravel bikes are different to CX bikes so what's why Specialized made changes to move the Crux more into the gravel space whilst retaining the ability to be a CX racer

  • @Papaciclista
    @Papaciclista Před 7 měsíci

    Canyon Grail had the unbound won....

  • @Shadowboost
    @Shadowboost Před 7 měsíci

    Neither. Cervelo

  • @seanmccuen6970
    @seanmccuen6970 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Canyon needs to find new graphics people, their bikes are lame and sterile looking. give me that sweet (and light) Crux all day long.

    • @ravenmoto5948
      @ravenmoto5948 Před 7 měsíci +1

      That's you're opinion, I think the Grail looks much better and offers much more.

    • @seanmccuen6970
      @seanmccuen6970 Před 7 měsíci

      @@ravenmoto5948 you need thicker glasses.

    • @ravenmoto5948
      @ravenmoto5948 Před 7 měsíci

      @@seanmccuen6970 Yeah sure

    • @imola8
      @imola8 Před měsícem

      I agree! Canyons appearance doesnt trigger me while looking at the wicked colors and shapes makes me feel -> i want that crazy playfull looking bike. A big thumbs up for whoever did the designs on the crux

  • @seansims8805
    @seansims8805 Před 7 měsíci

    Few club members have old crux builds ...rim brake but fast bikes , ive road em

  • @bloddyelbow8043
    @bloddyelbow8043 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Don‘t like Specialized

  • @BikeLife154
    @BikeLife154 Před 7 měsíci +8

    Crux looks way better

  • @g2g2010
    @g2g2010 Před 7 měsíci +1

    This review is completely bonkers. If a CX shootout, yes, the crux. So many advantages to the grail here. And is anyone paying attention to which one has been making the gravel podium lately? Not sure what is going on with David. I just unsubscribed.

    • @elnumerounobohsman
      @elnumerounobohsman Před 7 měsíci +5

      Crux’ geometry was quietly changed 2 years ago to be more gravel focussed over Cx

    • @g2g2010
      @g2g2010 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Crux is a great bike no question. Still rooted in CX though. Not the best weapon for gravel which is what makes David’s verdict so surprising.

    • @WerdnaLiten
      @WerdnaLiten Před 7 měsíci +1

      Gravel is a far bigger deal nowadays than CX, which is extremely niche....

    • @daryl4841
      @daryl4841 Před 7 měsíci +1

      Russell Finsterwald is 4th place overall in the Lifetime Grand Prix and he rides the Crux. Its a perfectly capable gravel race bike, with results.

    • @igorpilot
      @igorpilot Před 7 měsíci

      @@daryl4841Pros ride sponsored bikes. They are pros because they will win on any of these bikes. Canyon, Giant, Spesh, Walmart with top components. They are all capable of winning.
      All these bikes have similar top line components and carbon frames. The difference is literally half a degree in geo here and there. Which for a pro who can handle the bike matters little.
      You basically need the legs + handlin skills. Go invest in Zwift and ride your bike lol.