Which Is The BEST E-Bike? | eRoad vs eGravel
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- E-biking has taken off in the last few years, from cargo bikes to eMTBs, electric motors have helped more people get into the world of cycling. Ollie and Alex have teamed up with @TQEBike to investigate the tech behind electric bikes. They tell you the key differences between eRoad and eGravel bikes. Which one will you pick?
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00:00 Intro
00:46 Hub based vs mid motors on eBikes
01:33 BMC bikes and TQ motors
02:23 Is there a difference between eGravel and eRoad bikes?
03:24 What is the difference in bike set-up and geometry?
06:00 How heavy are eBikes?
07:29 What is the battery range on an eBike?
09:03 How do the bike tyres affect the battery range?
10:07 How does an eBike feel to ride?
10:47 TQ eBike motors and personalised power app
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Which bike would you like to get? 🚲
@@BIANCHI1984 I'm more of a Colnago man but when I get a new road bike it'll be a steel Bianchi in Celeste with Campagnolo of course
Gravel bike because I wanna try cycling on the road shoulder but all my current bikes have way too wide handlebar for that. 😀
@@BIANCHI1984 E-we? It's practical and realistic for people who commute daily, lugging groceries and maybe children. Acceleration is better and I'm less likely to get rear ended by some asshole cutting me off going into traffic circles. If I lived in a flat city I'd go back to a track bike because there's virtually no maintenance and I love the feeling of single speeds.
Urwahn - Walswiesel!!! First 3D printed E-Bike frame with X35 Mahle.
No I take it back. I think bamboo bike would be cool.
If you ride off/on the road, go for the gravel bike. If you ride strictly on road, go for the gravel bike too 😂
Hahahah big gravel fan over here? 👀
Best advice ever. Go for road bike only if you race. Not e-road bike. Road bike. For all other applications, gravel
I mean he’s completely right. The only advantage of a road over gravel is a tiny amount of less effort for equal speed. Once a motor is involved it’s a no brainer.
N+1
Definitely gravel, the way UK roads are you need gravel capabilities
Ebikes are an amazing leveler. At 55 on my Specialized Creo 2, I am able to ride with chaps 20 years younger and keep up. I run the bike quite often in motor off, safe in the knowledge I have a drag me home mode should it be required
U could just buy anabolic steroids (angel dust) if ur a farmer.
Are you able to pedal backwards? I know when the TQ motor came out they were talking about their dual clutch that lets them do that. How's the resistance when pedaling without the motor on? Does it feel as smooth as a non-ebike?
@@Millicente On the Creo 2 there is no resistance to pedal backwards. The earlier Creo 1 had more resistance from a sprag clutch
At 70yrs old I changed to an e-gravel bike’ best thing I did those hills are no problem now
Another thing to consider when choosing a bike is which motor system you go with. I had a Cube bike with a Bosch motor that failed. The shop I bought from had closed and finding another shop to help me with a warranty repair was very difficult. You can’t just go to any shop, they need to have the expertise with e-bikes. So options are limited and I was also told by 2 shops that they wouldn’t help as I didn’t buy the bike from them.
My advice. Don’t just consider which bike you like… think also about the motor brand it runs. Check to see if there are lots of options for service centres where you live. I had to go to a shop that was one hour’s drive away. They didn’t get it right first time so I had 2 trips before it was sorted and my bike was off the road for over a month. The experience was not great.
I have a Spez Creo now. I love riding it off road and completed the Coast to Coast ride from Southport to Hornsea over 3 x 120k days. I’d have never done that without the assistance from the motor. E-bikes really do open up new opportunities. 😊
I've never ridden an E-Roadbike or let's say an E-Bike with dropbars. I own an E-MTB with 120mm of travel front and rear and ever since I got it climbing became insanely fun. I used to laugh at E-Bikers until I got one myself, you still push yourself hard on climbs, heartrate up to 160-170 but then you don't need to stop and can just keep pedaling while you slowly recover mid-ride, fantastic.
I can only imagine how much fun an E-Roadbike must be, because you can easily go 30 Kph on the flats without a motor, but then on the climbs you get that extra push.
I have a Ribble CGR, hub motor assist, very natural feel, with adjustable power similar to the TQ app, perfect for me @55
Sounds like a great bike! What made you make the jump to ebikes?
@@gcn guess his answer is those two 5s 🤭
Thank you very much both. Super informativ!
Thanks for giving feedback on the TQ mid drive motors. My current bike uses the Mahle X35 System, there wasn't a lot of options for mid drive road bikes when I bought it. If the Mavic X-Tend never releases I'll look at other mid drive options like the TQ motor when I buy a new E-bike
My wife's got an E gravel bike with a hub motor which I am allowed to ride from time to time. :D It really is great fun and it is certainly better at towing our kids trailer than my non-electric gravel bike.
That's been exactly the case for my colleagues! Both are MTBers, but with a child and groceries, they love their new eGravel and towing a trailer with it :)
I got a Domane + with 40mm gravel tyres. Perfect mix for road and some gravel. Works great for a commute and a light training session
Excellent video lads. Can’t wait to get the gravel e-bike
Ebikes are great and got me into cycling . I have a few. I recently bought a Giant Revolt E Pro XR gravel. It's a beast, and the first time Giant has used the Shimano motor in one of it's bikes. It tuned specifically for gravel and offers 85Nm of torque. I love it.
Really enjoyed the video I can certainly see the benefits of an E bike especially as an older rider. It's a shame you didn't show the difference in power on a climb. First attempt no power then do repeats using the different levels to show what can be achieved. Can you please do an update video?!
I have the BMC Alpenchallenge even is was a older shimano motor, it is such a beast, while you can turn the motor on when you really needed the battery can last well over 250km for 1 ride
I have an e gravel based on fazua50. These types of systems are great as you get older. A key trick to save battery is u ride with zero assist when u go over 25. I actually leave it in no assist mode and only go to level 1 or higher when the hills appear. The fazua50 has a removable motor and battery so u can ride with a cover but no power.
I have a BMC Roadmachine AMP with the Mahle X20 hub drive (not the bike featured in the video above) and have been very happy with it. Longest ride so far wa 165km with 2500m of climbing. Plenty of battery life left too (was using the extender battery). The Mahle system has quite a bit more range it seems.
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Something I noticed about the comments is how far e-bikes have come in terms of acceptability. Just a few years ago, the vast majority of comments I read were fully against e-bikes, often labelled as for lazy people, but it seems people really have come round to the huge benefits they have for a vast array of needs and desires. There's been a huge shift in perception. I have only tried one once, funnily enough, I met Blake and Rich from GMBN that day, who suggested I go hell for leather on it as it was a load of fun. My reason for hiring one at that time was that I was on limited time, coming back from my nephew's funeral on the way home (200 miles), and I wanted a trip around Loch Lomond to clear my head. I loved it immediately. I have been encouraging my hubby and daughter to get one - hubby for work and daughter because she has a disability with mobility issues. I have held off getting one because of the weight, but after watching this and doing some searches, I found a few great value bikes. I will personally go with gravel. I already own a gravel, which is my day to day bike and I love it, so it's a no brainer really.
Happy with my eGravel while living next to plenty of hills, smooth and rough fireroads. With over 12% gradients, the extra power encourages me go out more.
I regularly swap between 2.2" x 650b and 28mm x 700 wheelsets. Ocassionally I ride without battery too 😌👌
One important thing that many haters don't consider is that I still use up the same amount of calories and TSS, just more elevation gain and longer distance.
So cool to hear you are loving life on eGravel! ♥️
About that eGravel bike. Who makes this direct mount spider for Rotor cranks that would fit the Sram 12s chainring (presumably 107mm bolt circle?)?
Ive always thought that the ebike riders where I ride are having a lot of fun! We have a lot of hills and dirt here and I would want an e gravel, along with the ecargo bike that Si rode for bikepacking.
That would be a great combo! The all terrain combo, where would you take your Ebike bikepacking?
@@gcn there's a lake that is polar blue and way up in the Rockies that is a hike to get to. I'd go there but glamping
send me both
I absolutely love my Specialized Creo, E-Bikes are so much fun. 🚴⚡️
I didn't know that motor system and was very impressed by it. However, I was also curious to learn how it compares to the Bosch system and was expecting you to mention the torque and the battery capacity of those beauties you were riding...
I have had an e-gravel bike for a few years now and love it. Mostly run in ECO but when you need that extra boost up a climb, the added assist levels make a good ride into a great ride!! Love the content. Well done Ollie and Alex.
Would love to see a video comparing the specialized turbo Creo 2 Vs the grizl:on
Do the motors cut out at 25kmh? That's required by law in Australia and it makes for a strange experience if you are used to being able to cruise at 30+kmh as you have to go significantly slower to be able access the assistance from the motor. I'm not sure i would want an e-gravel or e-road bike that basically turned into a very heavy bike as soon as you went over 25kmh. However for a mtb where speeds are generally lower this doesnt seem to be as much of an issue as most of the time you are cruising under 25kmh anyway.
I am still debating about getting a E road bike. As my health has deteriorated over the last few years. I have 4 normal road bikes but I feel I could use some help especially on hills. My concern is how long will the battery last and will it degrade over time....I am tempted to wait a bit longer.......
Are you struggling to ride the standard bikes? We think the move to an Ebike would be great 🙌 They really can be a game changer!
Don't wait! You're not getting any younger! It's great to go out and not worry about a hill being too steep or that you've chosen a ride too long...the assist will get you back home just fine.
I would definitely get the e-gravel bike, more versatility in the terrain you can cover. Also, at 13kg., its only a little heavier than my alloy frame winter bike!
It's such a fun option! How about Egravel-cargo 👉czcams.com/video/jSNgGeeCaw8/video.html
Last week i have found the brand Tern, and started looking at their cargo bikes, Then a day or two later you have released the Tern Winter Adventure bike video.
Yesterday I have started looking at some gravel eBikes, and now you release an eBike video ... How the hell are you doing it?
Awesome content as usual.
What are you thinking of right now? .... we'll get creating 🎬
@@gcn Well, about not spending any more on bikes, cycling gadgets and equipment and just go riding with whaterver stuff I have 🫣😆
I tried some cheap e-bikes and with the motor off or ran out of juice, it was nearly impossible to ride it.
I felt like it did a motor brake, and also when I drove faster than the 25 km/h motor limit.
Is it the same with these bikes or do they just act like a normal bike to pedal?
Can someone explain to me why the "road version" has a GRX groupset and the "gravel version" has a SRAM Force? As far as I know, a GRX is considered a gravel groupset and the Froce is a road groupset. I'm not saying it doesn't work, but wouldn't the opposite make more sense?
I noticed that as well. Beats me!
E-Gravel for the win. There is a lot of body parts I would give up to own one 😂
nice! What would you go for?
@gcn a kidney is a good choice, since they can keep the other one.
@@gcnLegs?
I'd give up the flab around my stomach for one, but I'd swap that for a 200bpm max heart rate - at 50 years old a 170bpm max is limiting!!
@@adadinthelifeofacyclist 170 is normal for practically everyone at moderate to max output. A max hr of 200 is not healthy
You forgot to mention the advantages of aerodynamic on range. Even on my wife's heavy and very low powered e-cruiser I gain 2mph, with the same effort, just laying out over the handle bars. That isn't just speed, but range, especially at the higher speeds of a road bike pr in to headwinds.
You don't need to remind these two about aerodynamics 🤣 Great to hear you are living the Ebike life 🙌
My wife and I have loved riding our road bikes for years, but we usually only rode together when we were on flatter routes. After a year of research we bought her a 2023 Trek Domane+ AL. It looks like a "normal" road bike, has a 250w hub motor, aluminum frame, room for at least 40mm wide tires for gravel when desired, it weighs under 31 lbs in size 54. Trek uses a torque sensor in the bottom bracket that makes the assistance proportional to rider effort. Even if you are on max assist, if you aren’t pedaling hard, the assist will be little to none. (Not all hub motor equipped e-bikes employ this technology) This bike cost $3500, less than half some carbon fiber E-Bikes that weigh only a few lbs less. She loves this bike, and frankly so do I. Now we can ride in the hills together, and while she is having fun, and getting a workout still, I ride as hard as I like, sometimes scoring some PR’s which I seldom could do when we were riding together unless I wanted to double back or wait for her.
The range on my wife’s e-bike has so far been very impressive. We recently did a 63 mile ride with over 2,000 ft of climbing, and because she only turns on assist when she needs it, and rides exclusively by her own power as often as possible she still had 2 out of 5 bars of battery left when we were done.
Not everything that calls itself an E-bike is created equal. I believe we need to view bicycles that require the rider to pedal, and only offer assist to the rider’s effort in a more friendly way than the many “bikes” I see appearing on our roads and bike paths where the rider does not even have to pedal. These are in my opinion, clearly electric motorcycles and belong on roads with license plates, operator licenses etc with the rest of the motorcycles.
I strongly agree with Strava designating E-Bike rides distinctly from our “analog” rides, but I also think some better policing of this is needed.
This is a fantastic use of an e-bike and we are so pleased to read your comment.
Like you say, not all e-bikes are created equal either, some have a throttle which resemble an electric motorbike, compared to something that is pedal assist!
My wife has pretty much the same experience with her MAHLE X35 Bianchi bikes. They're NOT e-motos...they're e-bikes. Just like a standard bike, ya gotta pedal 'em to go anywhere.
I definitely want a e-road e-bike. I’m 65 and I’m having real difficulty pushing my aero. I do 100-150km so I need extended batteries. Also need a 42 T cassette for when the battery is dead. And definitely electronic gears.
I’m keen to try the new x20 hub drive from Mahle, but it’s difficult to find availability of bikes that equip it. The Mondraker Dusty is one such e-Gravel bike with a 350Wh battery (as opposed to the lighter 250Wh on other models, like Orbea).
Do you have you a local shop that you can go try things out on? 🏪
I know what you mean, but they're out there. So far I'm loving mine but the old X35 on my other gravel bike works pretty well too. Why do you need a 350Wh battery? Are you gonna run the assist on full-blast all the time?
Agreed. The lowest level BMC has the X20 but small battery. Same with the Scott Addict. I guess trying to fit them into the downtubes limits the capacity.
I have a Brompton Electric that has a 320Wh battery. It just about gets me to work and back (60km+) if I’m very careful with the assistance, so it’d be nice to have something equivalent. You could of course have a 250Wh battery with a range extender but the x20 bikes that have this (Orbea, Scott, Wilier) are horrendously priced at £6k or over (my pockets aren’t that deep).
We have 3 Bianchi E-impulso Allroads with 250 Wh batteries and they've never been a issue. Perhaps if you're gonna run the assist maxed out all the time, but the way we ride 'em battery capacity is simply a non-issue.@@larrylem3582
I'm considering getting an e road bike later this year. The bracket motor sounds nice, but i don't know if it's literally thousands of $$$ better than a hub motor.
Looking at the figure in the video, the mahle X20 hub motor system would be a better choice if you want to do longer rides as the range is better.
For me all I need is a full power emtb. I can go anywhere on that. If necessary I carry a spare battery. I can then do 100 miles plus in a day if I want. On any terrain.
That sounds like the true adventure wagon 👌 Where are you heading next?
Wales (where I live) then France.
Why does a slick tire have ‘less rolling resistance’ than a gravel tire when the slick has more contact patch and more grip on a road surface?
Smoother tire surface = less friction
I sell BMC bikes and that Roadmachine X is not a gravel bike but an allroad bike. It was created to give a road bike feel but a choice with wider, perhaps gravel tires. If you wanted a gravel bike with a different geometry, then it would be the URS. I personally ride both Roadmachine and URS
When is an e-URS going to be available. That’s the one I would really like.
I have an orbea E gravel carbon frame. I converted it to flat bars, my reason is on steep descents I found it difficult to get to the brakes on the dropped bars possibility because I'm an old guy of 74. My best mileage according to komoot was 91.8 miles and had 20% of the battery left. I put the ride onto my utube channel the old guy of whinlatter, the proof is there
Road bike, 2x gear set up & gravel tyres with dropper seat post.
A motor makes more sense with a gravel bike as you'll spend more time under 25kmh. It's why they're so popular on MTBs
There are no roads in Scotland, only off-road. A gravel bike would be more suitable, it seems.
Hahaha the gravel bike is great for those nasty winter days 👀
E-BIKES ARE FANTASTIC! E-BIKES ARE BRILLIANT! E-BIKES ARE OUR NEW SPONSORS! 😂
Glad you like e-bikes, we love all bikes! ♥️
I always think Ollie's gonna say e-bike-gum
We have to cut that section out of every video he makes, it's a natural local saying for him! 😂
I'm not in the market for an e-bike in hopefully a long time but if I would buy one it's for sure a gravel version, yes I ride mostly on the road but with a motor the gap between a gravel and roadbike is just not that big (by that I mean the effort you need to do).
Ebikes aren't just for those that can't ride a standard bike. They can be a great urban travel option for those looking to take the edge off 👀
Strange that BMC equips their E-road bike with GRX which is a Gravel specific group set??
Say it louder for those at the back... SPINNING IS WINNING 🙌
GRX is a good choice. Think of those who buy an e-bike. Elderly, overweight, disabled and those new to road cycling. Most of these target groups usually need lower gear ratios and would also appreciate the robustness and ergonomics of the GRX levers.
If not climbing with the motor, a road bike doesn't need an assist as it's naturally going around and beyond 25 km/h where the assist cuts of anyway.
I wish the settings were like „only help me above 7% gradient“ or „only help if I am going below x kph for y watts“ (headwind compensation). Would be nice to keep the low intensity rides low at all time.
I think some ebike apps give you assistance based upon heart rate, which is sort of what you're after.
MAHLE offers the option to control assist based on heart rate - the reason my wife chose MAHLE over other options. So far I've run mine manually and only put assist on when I need it. The rest of the time it's just like riding a normal (though a bit heavier) bike.
I'd love to see a Kawasaki Ninja on the channel! Coming soon?😉
E-Gravel in winter with much snow is a real nice emotion ❣️🚴💨
Urwahn - Waldwiesel is the way to go 🇩🇪🚴🇩🇪
What e-bike? Trek rail7. 85 Nm of torque, 625w battery - and about 30+ miles of all surface use in each charge (on eco!)😊 lots of steep off road will cut the range down by about 20%!
I reckon Ollie on a BMC Roadmachine 01 Amp will finally drop Andrew Feather up Cheddar Gorge! Re-match methinks?
Ooooo now there is an idea 👀
I am in my 60’s and live in the Ozark Highlands of SW Missouri. I will want an eBike to be safer riding steep hills in the countryside solo. I had a scary dog incident recently.
Wow sounds like some amazing riding! What was a dog indecent? 👀
@@gcna dog I’d ridden past without incident decided to try to bite me when I had to stop at a stop sign to let a car pass. Literally had to move foot off the pedal 3 times as he snapped at my foot!
I know e-bikes are great when it comes to access to the sport.
However, I have seen it translate to laziness in some cases. I have always considered fitness as a big part of the sport. I train on Zwift all winter long so I can get on fast rides immediately when the snow melts.
Last year, I heard a fellow rider seriously say that he no longer needs Zwift because he has an e-bike, leaving me wondering...
I guess goals are different for everyone, but still makes me wonder.
Not a rant against e-bikes, as I find they have their place, but more against people who use them as fitness shortcuts.
You clearly havent used a pedal assist e-bike like the two BMC's, they are not shortcuts. They are hard work. They give you the mental confidence to overextend because you can get home when exhausted. They get you outside and *riding*
There is no shortcut. And in fact they urge you on. You aint doing bugger all effort at 40kph, you are working HARD.
Also you can turn themotor off. These bikes are perfectly fine in zero assist
I think the folks at MAHLE would argue with your premise. But of course they're not paying you like TQ is? I chose hub motor as bikes with (MAHLE at least) those feel like a normal bike when the assist is not working. I ride mine (gravel) on paved and unpaved surfaces as a normal bike, only activating the assist when needed - stiff headwind, steep climb or on a long ride when I'm worn-out with kilometers still to go. It's NOT an electric motorcycle, just a normal-looking gravel bike with a gentle push in the back when I want/need it.
Maybe next time borrow a couple of bikes with MAHLE's X20 system, one road, one gravel?
Agree completely. Well said. My wife's Trek Domane+ AL is wonderful with its MAHLE hub motor.
I have the older BMC road machine AMP with the x20 system and it is very good. I think the range is significantly better than the TQ motor. (At least from the figures given in the video). BMC currently have both bikes in their range so a comparative test would be great.
Middle mounted motors transfer all their torque through bike chain making it last usually less then 1000 km. New chain every 1000 km? No thanks. I'll take rear-mounted one ;)
Good point, but 1000 is too low in my experience. I am about to change the chain for the second time after 6050 km use. Wax for the win!
E-bikes are great for training. I mean, whenever I see people on e-bikes, I just must overtake them all.
The bike I own is the best bike for me. Type 1, 36 lbs., $1000.
neither for me but I definitely would have a MTB ebike
If you go off road You’d be better off with a hard tail emtb over a gravel bike. But then you might as well get a full suspension and accept the 27kg total weight
I want to see Hank prscticing a wheelie in every video he's in going forward.
We will see what we can do!
The husband rides a gravel bike on the road because then he’s always ready for off-road
I Really Really think you need to educate people more on the topic.
A big percentage of the negative comments,seem to come from urban myths, misunderstandings of what they actually are and how they work.
I.E. pedal assist, doesn't mean you don't pedal and you've brought a motorcycle.
Or the laws on the speed limit and when the motor cuts out.
Talking figures for a 60kg rider is just pointless. The target user/rider is probably going to exceed those figures.
Without proper education of your audience your blowing snot rockets on yourself 😂
For the people who know and have actually rode/own one,they can smile and laugh of people's blinkered ignorance.
if it offends,tough.
Every day's a school day, never too late to learn about anything new 😉👍
Ride1up CF racer 1 is an egravel or eroad bike full carbon weighing only 13 kg with some good parts and costing only 2300 $
YEAH I KNOW best value ebike out there by a long margin
From the quick read of the comments I see the ebike haters are still harping on that ebikes are not real bikes, ebike haters please actually grow up and smell the shite attitude you's have got.
Ebikes are still bikes like non-ebikes, mopeds, motorbikes, cargo bikes, mountain bikes and so forth etc etc , all of them that have two or three wheels in contact the ground are bloody bikes! They all of just different purpose & need to the rider using that vehicle, so fecking what the the bike has a motor helping the rider getting from one point to another.
Been riding pushbikes as well as motorbikes for basically all my life from a toddlers trike as a toddler all the way up to the latest generation of carbon fibre hyper specialized purpose pushbikes that cost a stagering amount even without a helpful motor to justify the cost of them. Of all the bikes I have ridden over the 50 plus years of my life, the most profound humbling experience bike wise has been my dad's old roadster pushbike which was a hand-me-down from his dad who used to race it in local club racing, for all of you's who have never actually ridden such a bike - that bike is a right proper lesson in how much pushbikes have EVOLVED thru out the last 100 years.
Jeeeeese, two mins in and this sounds like your are literally reading the PR teams script!
Ride1Up has these for $2300
Aren't those the ones available in ONE size, with a 30 day return...as long you don't try-it-out for more than 20 miles?
Almost. Two sizes actually. Sizing every 2cm is overkill tbh. but yes, 30 days to test, and 20 miles to test. That's more than a test ride at a local bike shop. And less pushy sales people@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786
@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 They have two sizes. And yes, 30 days or 20 miles to test them out and make sure it's a good fit.
Sizing every 2cm is overkill tbh.
2 sizes, and yes. 30 days to test it out!@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786
And who pays the return shipping? The boxed bikes are heavy and must be shipped by truck. Who makes the important bits...the stuff TQ or MAHLE, etc. supply?@@kdugger
They look like loads of fun! But (and I don’t mean to be a kill joy here) I have a have a genuine question. Are they not illegal for use on UK or EU roads where the maximum rated power for an e-bike motor has to be no more than 250 watts?
These are 300watt motors. It would be a shame to spend all of that money and then not be able to ride it legally.
My ebike has a boost mode of up to 350 watts. It does not violate the 25 km/h, in fact the boost mode turns off automatically at that speed.
@@SonnyDarvishzadeh so because it has a rated maximum power of more than 250 watts isn’t it illegal? The law seems quite specific on this point. From what I’ve read it’s not just about maximum speed.
i think the law is just for it can't exceed the 25kph. I think in the USA, the speed is at 45kph, that is far more convenient. Amazing that that country has done something smarter than EU, But, honestly for those speeds, it is stupid to buy a e bike other than for mtb, where the descent is the part that is important, climbing just a necessity @@doggylover1958
@@doggylover1958 Well I don't know exactly what the law says in each country, but my motor is officially rated at 250 watts. The wording for 350 watts might be from marketing and more like computer CPU overclocking. It's not good for both the motor and the battery if constantly used. The motor actually heats up and throttles down the power after abusing this feature. It's only for short and very steep climbs. It cuts off after 12 seconds or when it reaches 25 km/h.
@@SonnyDarvishzadeh Interesting, must be similar to red lining a petrol engine, not good for the motors long term life span or reliability.
The maximum rated power is normally stamped or marked on the motor. In the UK if this is more than 250watts you should not use it on public roads without getting type approval, a number plate, and insurance. Cheers.
Go eRoad so I have more opportunities to shout “ON YOUR LEFT” at you.
now this is less apples to oranges but more like granny smith to golden delicious... same bike with slightly different components....
E-gravel because it would be my commuting bike and the temporary bike paths are brutal. If I buy a pure road bike, no motor please.
Opens up the world 🌎 to ride everywhere but what is the deal when it comes to transporting it on planes ✈️ to ride the world??? Accepted or not?
Are u interested to test our ebike?
Ollie's knees are acting weird with that bigger Q factor..
I find it so sad that some people get wound up so much just because someone has an e bike - do they whine and whinge while walking along and someone rides past or drives past them quicker or if they see a 1x with super low hill climbing gears ?
Live and let live - I love my regular bikes and e-bike and ride both with grin on my face - just get out and ride and ENJOY being on 2 wheels I say
No one is whining about e bikes, they are complaining that e bikes are being incorporated into cycling in which the whole point is not having a motor. There's no reason to post e bikes in a cycling channel especially when GCN has their own e bike channel that they can post there instead
Thanks for the comment! It's all about laving life on the bike 🙌 It's great to hear that you've found your style!
Their ebikes are the same weight as my normal bike 😭
Theres no reason not to pick the gravel all the time, just swap the tires and u got a fast road since it has a motor 😆. Next video grab lots of e bikes, road gravel urbans and test them including some real amateurs, cos u all are monsters 😂. Edit: Of course Im talking about a NON sponsored video.
Can´t see the point of an e-road bike. I mean it´s basically the same as an e-gravel bike but without the option of off-road. Specially for the population that could benefit from the electric motor. I´m not part of those that need and electric motor and I routinely pass e-bikes on flat terrain on my regular road bike (25kmh limit for legal e-bikes).
My wife has one of each. The road bike listed weight is 12 kg while the gravel bike is 19 kg and the longer wheelbase and relaxed angles make it kind of dull on pavement compared to the road bike though both have the same MAHLE X35 systems. One is enough for me - gravel with Campagnolo EKAR, MAHLE X20, 38 mm slick tires and 13 kg weight means I can have fun any/everywhere, pedaling around most of the time with 0 assist, fairly easily over 25 kph on the flats if I feel like it :-)
The reason I would not buy one of these bikes is because the battery can't be removed for charging. If like me you don't have a garage/bike shed where you can charge it, you would have to lug it indoors every day to charge. That said I surpose most people that can afford these bikes have a garage to store it.
My e- gravel bike and my wife’s e-bike live in the house.
You leave your current bikes outside? Based on my wife's experience with MAHLE X35, charging is more like every MONTH rather than every day so...
@@larryt.atcycleitalia5786 I live in a block of flats (appartment building) on the 5th floor. The landlord provides lockable sheds outside which don't need electricity, and if there were it wouldn't be good in Winter months. My wife has an e-bike and the battery gets charged in the flat.
Where did you see a throttle?
I mean… do they go faster than 25km/h on the flat (assisted) ? Because if not you can’t even argue pro road bike… 🤷🏻♂️😂
They go as fast as you can pedal one but assist cuts off at 25 kph. The idea isn't that you can sprint with Cavendish, it's that you can get up the hill or make it back home if you're cooked. Why do people act like these things are (or should be) e-motorcycles?
i'd go for a motorcycle than buy an e-bike
over 13´ and never mention torque/hp of those tiny motors
50 nm of torque
I own several bikes that I use for exercise and to test myself and show what my body is capable of. I also own a motorcycle for the pleasure of a machine pushing me.
Completely different purposes. Having a motor push my bike completely missed the point for me. I truly don’t get why you’d want an ebike unless it’s for commuting.
If someone comes up with running shoes that pushing you forward, would we celebrate that?? People can do way they want, but I don’t watch GCN for e-Bike content and I wish they’d stop.
Can you think of being inclusive for the elderly users? the disabled (temporary or permanent)? newcomers to road cycling that might be heavyweight too? GCN isn't just for the elite and those who pedal over 500 km every month.
@@SonnyDarvishzadeh I was 50 lbs heavier when I started riding. I managed to lose a ton of weight and get much faster without an ebike. I took it slow and worked my way.
So give me a break - people had been riding forever without motors on their bikes and suddenly I’m not being inclusive for not being pro ebike.
I don’t come here for ebiking content. It’s a massive turnoff. If they keep doing it, I’ll unsubscribe. I’m allowed to watch what I want and have my own opinions. I don’t have to agree with you.
@@SonnyDarvishzadehMost e-bikers i saw on the road are healthy young person
@SonnyDarvishzadeh There are a lot of "elderly"riders out there who don't need or even want an e-bike so please don't patronise us.
I personally don't see the point to them.
I've a number of bikes, road alloy and carbon, a 29er MTB. Arthritis basically put an end to that, despite me being in my early 40s
An e-bike has allowed me to start cycling again
The problem the road bike sport has, is that it's full of elitist knob heads
Sound effects were annoying
None of them..
7:58 Excuse me, what kind of testing is that? 60kg rider, really? I'd rather see test results using 90kg rider or else they might as well put a cat on their bikes and show that.
Cat on a Ebike... the Dr Seuss novel that never was 🤣
im 85kg tq 50 on low 100 watt assist can only do 60km commute full battery with 400m to climb
@@housepfhoopz total elevation matters more. My ebike runs out of juice in 30 km 1000 meters, but I can be on it all day of 400 km on flat. So many factors go into play for that final total distance.
@SonnyDarvishzadeh these tq system isn't designed to go long rang since they have very lightweight battery setup
@@housepfhoopz TQ has 350 watt hour, my bike has 250 wh!
More low e-ffort content. Give this stuff its own channel.
I don't like the idea restricting the speed of E bikes.
Top car brands can go over 350 km/h. They are still limited to less than a third of their potential, for a reason: safety.
Good luck surviving on the road with tons of unrestricted ebikes!
@@yukiko_5051 I don't see the difference when I ride my human powered bike as fast as I can, sometimes. Sprinting through a orange light I will exceed 50 kph at times. I would be great to have an e bike that matches my performance. I think that's the point I was getting at
E-I-E-I-O Old MacDonald had a bike…😅
Neither…It’s all in the legs! 😂
Oh great, a bike designed by Howard from Big Bang Theory.
this is like comparing nails vs screws... really scraping the bottom of the content barrel 🙄
Don't ruin it, we're doing nails vs screws on the tech channel next week 😉 - What would you like to see on GCN, we are always open to new ideas 🙌
A E-Bike where you can´t change the batt is a waste of money....If the batt dies, your f+cked.
Why do you think these batteries are permanently glued to the frame? You can change any ebike battery, at least those made in Europe and Japan are replaceable.
@@SonnyDarvishzadeh take a closer look at them BMC frames, there is so sign of a compartment, all you see is the screws holding the battery inside the frame.
Even on the BMC homepage there is no word about a changeable Battery.
@@66mikkim so by dying you mean after each ride? that's understandable. I keep all my bikes inside the apartment. These are lightweight 12 to 15kg bikes. If I had a 30kg ebike, it would be a concern.
@@SonnyDarvishzadeh with dying I mean if the battery goes bad. If it is not interchangeable I would never buy it.
never go full ebike.
Well I’m depressed…e-bike on a MTN bike (fair enough), otherwise get a compact, gravel gearing, lay off the pies & have a crack…
Gonna be a bunch of 200kg 90yr old's stealing Koms on box hill
More power to them ... Literally. Strava does have a mode for Ebikes and should pick up when someone is riding one 👀
@@gcn **should** being the key-word here 😂
Fun fact: a 2021 US study found that 76% of e-bike riders use Viagra.
We're not sure... where is the hard evidence of this 👀
@@gcnwww
100% of whiners have no need.
Spicy!@@gcn
Electric motors are the best thing that happend to cycling in the past 20 years. It's just weird to see, how loooooooooooooooong it takes roadies and the roadie-industry to keep up with everyone else. Don't be afraid of change. Change is good. Embrace it. Play with it. Enjoy it. Be part of the evolution, not part of the turd it leaves behind.