I tried for 8 years to convince my wife to let me get a bike. Finally one day I just showed up with a Harley 883 and she didn't talk to me for a whole week. Eventually she got over it. It might not have been the best way to get the bike home but I didn't see any other way.
I have to say that I've spent months trying to convince my youngest son not to get a bike. It was all he was interested in. in the end, I decided that he was going to do it whatever, so I decided to train together at the same time for the UK full bike license. I wanted to do it when my son was about 2 years old, but my wife wouldn't let me ( I guess she doesn't give a shit now!!!). Anyway, he was happy to do that, and we have both recently passed, and he is now more equipped to take to the roads than if he had just done the CBT and left it at that. I am 53 and hes is 19. He can only ride an A2 bike until he is 24. The interesting thing is, once you start drilling down into the accident figures, you discover that yes, it is more dangerous than driving, but the majority of the accidents are caused by rider inexperience/ mistakes/ excessive speed, and of course alcohol as you mentioned. It really is all about the training, and attitude on the road. People such as yourself, and Fast Eddie, are reaching people who would not normally see this type of stuff. I salute you and your efforts to make people aware of what they need to be safe. Incidentally, I think the time of the motorbike is coming again, as bike technology makes bikes safer, and help with all aspects of motorbiking is right here on the net like never before. My intention is to become a motorbike instructor, but over here you have to wait 3 years to do this, so I will be 'skilling' up as much as possible in the meantime.
Although I've never heard DDFM ever say this, but all his comments imply, I've always watched the front tires of vehicles (this is intersections and somewhat low speed) instead of their turn signals as they can be misleading, plus hesitation/commitment movement anywhere on the highway by a motorist (car/truck/bike). They are dead giveaways that the driver isn't paying attention to you!)
I think it’s so great that you decided to do it with your youngest son! My father didn’t want to let me ride, he used to ride when he was my age and got into an accident. He was ok, no life-impacting injuries, but he stopped afterwards I started riding this year (always wanted to ride since high school, and got my first bike after finishing college and landing my first full time job), and I unfortunately got into an accident on my very first day on the road. Took the MSF course, bought a slightly used Honda Rebel 500, got great insurance coverage, only to have a deer run out in front of me on local roads while I was on my way home for lunch… I was so glad I was wearing gear But the evening I brought it home, my dad looked at me and laughed. He thought it was so funny that I did everything without telling my family. My bike was the first one he sat on since his accident, and when he sat on it, he looked so happy. Nervous for me to ride, of course, but I haven’t seen him smile like that in a while Did you end up becoming an instructor?
Bro, I just went through all of this crap. Yesterday, I finally got my endorsement. As happy as I was to finally get it, my emotions weren't that excited. Since watching your channel. I've come to realize I may have depression. I've posted this in another video. (A Friday video.) Lol. Anyway, you are a great channel to watch and learn from. Keep it up bro.
I don't think you have to convince anyone, although you should let the people who care about you know that you're going to be a very responsible and safe rider You should ease their minds and let them know you won't take any unnecessary chances That's all you can really do, so later everyone and have a good one
Dan, I'm 63 and I was very cautios and shy when I told my dad about my bike because I knew he does not like bikes AT ALL! . Dew to his adge I work out and finally he did response in a good maner, I make comments about being active in my safety and have been getting practice, courses and learning from others (DDFM, MOTOJITSU AND DCRIDER, mainly), never hide that bikes are dangerous but being my self consius in my safety and willing to be better every day is my way of living with my bike. Regards and thanks to all for the great sharing information to make us better riders.
Mohammad 24 here and I’ve had this Harley 1200cc for almost a year now (I know it’s not the best for beginners) but never ridden it on the streets because I gotta get mom’s approval. After arguing with her she said that I can only get my license when I’m 40 and honestly I find that a bit too much because I really wanna ride it while I’m young. Whatever mom wants I guess. Having no siblings keeps biting me and I also know that dad wouldn’t approve too if he’s with us
I bought my motor cycle without my parents fully knowing. Ive told them Iam getting one and all of my steps for safety and reason. I won't be on the road till ive trained in a car for the streets, ive got all my gear and training for it. I picked up a Enduro Hawk 250. I feel its very reasonable.
At first, my wife and daughters would show anxiety each time I left home on my motorcycle. The anxiety level has lessened as I have safely returned, time and time again. Thousands of miles under my belt, and good road strategy (and God’s help) brings me home each time safely. Every time we ride off on our motorcycles, we are taking a certain amount risk, but that is true, regarding most everything we do.
Dan I think you are a super incredible individual. Honest and open good job. You are the man for being able to wear full gear in the heat. I live in New Mexico prettt hot too. I suffered a heat stroke and it chanded my heat control and am super heat sensitive. I have been unable to find a full face helmet and mesh jacket I can stand. I wont stop riding so i wear minimal gear. Im not too cool for gear, i wear it when its cooler. So not everone doesnt wear gear just because they dont want too. Keep up the good messages.
In my situation, it got to the point where I had to say to my family members, “If something happens to me while riding, that’s on me. Not you. You don’t own that. I do. This is the way I choose to spend some of my leisure time.” That said, I also shoot guns, so they may be used to the whole “higher risk” lifestyle I’ve chosen.🤣
I'm in the process of getting my license, training, and a motorcycle right now. My parents have objections (well just mom lol). I'm 24 and will decide for myself.
So I just got into riding and just got my first bike, the way I got my family on board was by showing that I'm responsible and serious about being safe by taking a few safety classes, getting an assortment of good gear etc...
i was lucky enough my mom had ridden with her grandpa a few times, and my aunt rides as a passenger time to time. didnt take but a day to get her comfortable with my driving
Thank you Dan, I posed this question a few days ago. Definitely gonna show my family a few videos from your channel so they know I'm fully serious. And that I'm learning from some one who's got some experience.
All great points Dan. To anyone that wants to start motorbike riding that have parents or a partner that doesn't want you to have one, just go and buy one and bring it home. Like Dan said, they shouldn't be trying to control your life in anyway. BUT, be thoughtful about it and when you bring it home, tell them you want to talk to them and just say that you know they're only worrying about you because they love you but you're always gonna wear all proper gear whenever you go out on it and you're not gonna be stupid on the bike like doing wheelies and other stupid shit that people do on public roads because of ego. Just do it, but do it the right way. Don't be completely selfish about it though, remember that most of the time they genuinely care about you and love you so naturally are gonna worry, especially with parents. My Mam still tells me to be careful when she sees me in my gear off out on the bike and it's been over a year since I bought my first bike. Great topic.
As I've said in the discord, nothing in life is safe so why let it control your decisions. I've never said riding isnt dangerous but as you have stated in your video there are ways to mitigate the danger. And you hit the nail right on the head with this video, and many many other videos... and for that thanks dan keep up the great content 👍 ride safe
I may have mentioned this in the past to you, in 1976 I got my first motorcycle my father loan me the money and my mother moved out on us. She was mad at my father more than me. Then not even six months later my mom said her friend says if you're careful they're not that dangerous and she asked me to take her for a ride and I did. She moved back home my father said what happened she said to my father I love it and I used to ride her around on the weekends all the time, it was pretty cool. My mom has passed on now about 2 years ago but I have two beautiful pictures of her sitting on both of my motorcycles that I had in my God, 45 years of riding. In the mid-80s I was assistant motorcycle instructor.
What if the issue isnt the person not trusting you but them not trusting other drivers. Cos my parents trust that i wont drink and drive, ive ranted to them how i dont understand people that dont wear gear they still arent letting me. They said they would rather buy me a car worth twice as much than to let me get a motorcycle.
well you kinda need balls for riding because there will be danger. if you dont feel like handeling riding, just drive a car, or only ride once a week. etc
I love my grom125 cc I use to get back and forth to work everyday in my high traffic city.. and I even do finish carpentry.. I just leave my tools in my bosses truck.. but yes don't drink and ride not long ago an acquaintance I know crashed super drunk and riding and now he can only use half his brain.... yes start on bikes that you can learn to master then work your way up.. I also have known people fresh out of high school(20+ years ago) get brand new 1000cc no on road experience crash and die a few weeks later.. to me its bad enough just dealing with all the idiots when you ride, why be drunk and ride. I drove a car one time drunk as a teenager after that one time I knew I could never drive drunk again. I was the least drunk out of all friends and was peer pressured to drive anothers vehicle but after that I never did again. but ya I was all over the road. I think they should do dmv test, a person gets drunk but not super drunk goes on safety course with someone else not drunk who can help control the car before it go out of control, and sees how bad it really is without being blackout drunk and then will learn better about how it really is. when people hear oh you cant drive they don't believe it till they experience it. to me the bad thing is since most motorcycle deaths are at high speed or drinking.. are motorcycles really as dangerous as they make them out to be when most the deaths are kinda reckless driving.. that's why ive always hated stats.. you can learn some from them but not all unless every thing is included. but even not looking them up im 100% sure the highest death from riding is from drinking and speeding combined so if you avoid just those two together you have a lot higher chance of living. and by getting lower cc bikes you can even limit that top speed also where a lot of riders seem to die at on normal roads vs the track. I can only go 60 on the flats so I know I can still die on a grom but the thing is im not gonna be going 120+mph around a blind corner and have to react in a split second to a left or right turner which basically means death. so you take some of those crazy situations fully out the equation.
My mum did everything she could to stop me getting a bike (back in 1977). She even offered to buy me a cheap car - considering we were working class with little spare money, that was a big deal. I was determined, though, and got my first legal road-bike for my 17th birthday - a Yamaha FSIE moped. She did manage to extract a promise that I would train with one of my dad's friends in the police motorcycle section. I held to my word and the cop was the strictest guy - no smiles, miserable looking, but a superb teacher and astonishingly skillful biker. I'm pretty sure that the promise - and the 12 lessons with Mr Cavendish after I passed my test (that was how I had to address him) is the reason I'm still here. The rest is history, but 40 yrs later my mum - now well into her 80s - still worries and frets if she knows I'm riding. It still gives me pangs of conscience - but only until I hit the sweeping 120 turn just after Conwy :-)
Hahahaha. It’s funny and your are not the only one. I told my wife I’m getting a bike last year, she counter offered me with a $58000 truck. I took the offer. This season I told her I’m getting a Yamaha, she counter offered with a brand new $40,000 Civic Type R, I took the offer again. Although I didn’t get the bike yet, I can compromise on something nicer. I know I’ll get a bike eventually when she knows bikes are a lot cheaper.
How I got my bike: Talked to my wife about it for about a month but she wasn't listening. I went to lunch one day and showed up at home with it after lunch.
Patience is huge! Make your points in bunches and let it sit with them. If they are worried, it's not likely your going to change their mind in one sit down.
Thanks, this video helped me! So Im not the only one, myfanily is super mad :/ I don’t live with my parents but my dad doesn’t want to talk to me anymore
Before I hear what Dan has to say, my gf and mom are totally against me getting a bike. I’m still getting one, but hopefully this video can help ease the way
Well in New Zealand, you cant just go and get a litre bike. There’s three licence classes. Learner, Restricted, and Full. On the first two classes you can only ride a LAMS approved motorcycle. Won’t go into all the bikes you can get but the Rebel 500 is one of those as an example. Time frame for the licence periods are - Learner 6 months minimum Restricted 18 months minimum Two years of riding before you can get a bike over 660cc www.nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/getting-a-licence/licences-by-vehicle-type/motorcycles/lams/lams-approved-and-prohibited-motorcycles/
My gf (of 6 years) yesterday threatened to break up with me if I get one, which I'm really set on doing. She even said "If you get one, get one before we are married so the break up process is easier." Like what? I can't believe someone would throw away a 6 year relationship over a bike.
Dan, been following you for a few weeks I have subscribed, and debating on joining your patreon. I just gotta say imo you could have added for that person to take the accident safety along further training after you receive your License or indorsement. I only recommend this because it had actually helped me and friend. When you show you are being proactive along with being aware of the risks and how to mitigate some of them, it actually takes the wind out of their sails. Just a suggestion, keep educating the masses and be safe all.
I can't say that I can relate to this problem at all. My father rode a Harley Davidson when I was growing up, and was carting me around on the back by the time I turned 4. And as soon as I turned 16, both of my parents made it clear that I could have any vehicle I wanted as long as I was able to cover the gas, the purchase and the insurance on it. I've owned 4 trucks, 1 mustang and three motorcycles. I still currently have one truck and my 800 Suzuki Intruder. "Permission" need not apply! 😎👍
I ride all the time and have for over 30 years and I am so guilty if not having gear. I do have a full face helmet "that I never wear" because if the weight. I've had 2 discs taken out of my neck and it kills me after 30 minutes. I do have a really light half helmet that I do wear because it's more bearable. I also always wear boots and at least jeans "never shorts". And usually have my vest on. But here in AZ summer makes a vest almost unbearable. Anyway you make awesome points and I'm going to try and fine a good/light full face and some better gear. My but just started riding this year and I insisted that he have gear so I should be living by what i preach as well. Thanks for all the great content.
Michael Goodwin have you thought about doing a motocross style helmet with sunglasses or goggles? Could be a light set up and a lot of airflow for hot summers.
It sounds like she is toxic for accusing you of being bipolar for just wanting a motorcycle don't let her pull you down to her level buddy go forefill your dream of getting one don't let anyone tell you what to do
Good advice Dan. I second your point on always wearing gear. I went down in the canyons about a month ago, broke my tibia and fibia and suffered severe lacerations to my arm that temporarily paralyzed my hand. (it still doesn't work) Had I not been wearing a full leather race suit and my Bell helmet it would have been a lot worse! Thanks for the video.
The conversation with my family went. Me: I am getting a motorcycle. mother:No you are fucking not!Me: I am an adult... so fuck off. Mother: I am going to tell your grandmother. Later Grandmother that hates literally everything: Ah cool are you going to take me for a ride. Grandfather: I had a motorcycle and now I am fucking old. My best friend died on a motorcycle. That sucked, don't do that. Mother: Kristi (my wife) back me up on this. Waifu: Meh whatever. Kids: vroom vroom!
50mpg ain't sounding too bad rn. And if i get hit in my cheap late 90s tin metal shitbox by a car going 50+ mph, its probably going to be just as lethal as a bike incident.
Part of how I convinced my wife was the promise to wear all the gear all the time, no matter how tempting it is to ditch the jacket maybe. I also got myself a hi viz vest and I have yet to ride my bike without it. It seems to help and gives everyone peace of mind
My mom is super not cool with it, and probably never will be. This comes from 40 years working with auto accidents. But she also understand that I'll continue to be one of the safest people on the road, like I am with a four-wheeler and an eighteen-wheeler. So even though she's not comfortable with it, she isn't giving me too much shit about it. My MSF course is two weekends from now :-D
I forgot who said this, but it's true. "It's easier to ask for forgiveness, then ask for permission." Of course, this doesn't apply to things like sex & rape. Don't be stupid & evil. But when it comes to YOUR body, YOUR life, and you are not really harming or bullying anyone innocent. Then you can do whatever you want. Don't ask for permission, don't even mention it. Try keep everything about it a secret. Then just appear with the motorcycle & gear, like it's a normal day. Like you just came from a parallel dimension, where you always had a motorcycle, and friends, family, whoever, are just now acting weird about it. Treat it like it's not a big deal, because it's not. It's something you want, and you're learning how to ride professionally, with alertness & prudence. To keep yourself safe, and the motorcycle safe. If they want to become stupid, emotional monkeys, let them. You remain calm. Make them feel dumb, for acting crazy. If they won't listen to you. If they keep cutting you off, belittling & dismissing everything you say. Then just end the conversation with: That motorcycle is part of my life now. Then walk away, move on to what you were going to do, if they weren't there, or if they didn't act like that. If they say "where do you think you're going?", "We're not done talking to you!", "Don't turn your back to me!", or whatever. Just tell them, if they are not going to listen to you, keep interrupting you, and dismissing what you say, then there's no reason to try to talk to you about this. __________________________ If they ask:"Do you think you're tough?". Give them the most confused look you can, and say, ...No??? Do you feel tough asking me that? (or)...I don't know what you mean? Why would you ask me that?...Tough enough to maintain it? Yes. Tough enough to ride in the rain & cold? Yes. Tough enough to fall off it, and get back up? Yes. Tough enough not to be afraid of it, or ignorant of the risks? Yes. If anything, a motorcycle needs me to be gentle with the controls, and I am. "Do you think you're grown???" I'm old enough to decide how I get around. "How???" Other options aren't good enough, that motorcycle is. It's efficient, easy to park, I don't need the room of a car, and that motorcycle doesn't make me miserable. If they try something like: "If you love me, get rid of it", "It's me or the motorcycle.", or, "Get rid of it, or get out." Then you tell them: I choose the motorcycle. You're right, it's you, you're the problem, not the motorcycle. Ok, I'll get ready to move out. You tell them: My needs, and my happiness, are more important to me, then ANYONE else. I will not push away what I want, and live with misery & regret, just to make everyone else happy. This is my life, not yours. And if you can't accept that. Then I don't want you in my life, dragging me down, making me depressed, just for you to feel good & satisfied. "You will die." That is not guaranteed. It's not even guaranteed I will crash. And if I do die, I will die happy. ____________________ If they physically threaten you, or it, then get the police involved, say you will press charges, like assault, vandalism, harassment, endangerment, and theft. OR, even better. Be even more independent. If they physically threaten you or your motorcycle, you physically threaten them. Get a knife or some weapon, if you have to. Bring your motorcycle into your room if you can. Do not tolerate their violent levels of stupidity, ignorance, and desire to control you for their selfish benefit. Again, it's your life, your motorcycle, your responsibility, not theirs, or anyone elses. Maybe before you get it, get a lock for your room, install an alarm & tracking device in your motorcycle, disc-locks that make noise when disturbed, and a motorcycle cover. "What if you crash and get injured? Who's gonna pay for that???" If it's my fault or a freak accident, I will pay for it, with my money & credit. If I can't, the debt is my problem. If someone made me crash, they will pay, I will sue them, or make a deal with them. If I do crash, don't get involved. It's my responsibility. I hope all this helps all you new riders. Prepare for the worst. Not just the worst situations on the road, but also, prepare for the worst reactions, of you just having a motorcycle. Remember. If it's something you really want, then no one else matters. If someone has a massive problem with you being a rider, then cut them out of your life, and replace them with someone who doesn't care, or who genuinely likes motorcycles. For YOURSELF, and those who have a problem. Watch videos from this channel, and MC Rider, and motorcycle crash videos, Twist of the Wrist 2, learn & study as much as you can about motorcycle safety & skills, again, for YOURSELF, and to overwhelm others with your knowledge, just to shut them up, or at least show them that you are serious about motorcycles, and that you're not one of those shallow idiots, who just get a motorcycle to impress anyone, or look "cool". And if you are one of those idiots. Fucking don't be.
My parents are neutral on my bike ownership. They are obviously concerned about safety, but also aren’t against me owning it. I guess I’m lucky in that sense, does help that I’m 20, I imagine this video is aimed at younger audience members looking for a first bike
How timely. I just want a scooter (150-300cc because of hills) for local errands, no freeway/highway. And I'm sure like cars, most accidents occur within 5 miles of home... And per my motorcycle friends, I will be getting top quality helmet/gear. But the wife and the daughter are giving a LOT of push back. Start my CMPS next week. We will see.......
I'm 19 and I can afford a little 250 with ALL the gear. Mom said if I get one I can't bring it home.... I'll only be home another month before I'm at college....
Shit wish i had this when i started. I bought my bike at the end of a season and hid it at my friends till next season and the bike was already registered, insured and i had all my gear ready to go.
I prefer the Kirk Lazarus (playing Sgt. Lincoln Osiris) method: "It's simple as pie man: you plant your feet on the ground, you look her square in the eyes you say "Hey! baby, I'mma get me a motorcycle and I'mma ride the fuck out of it, that's the end of the story."
My dad told me one. If i ever brought home a motorbike. he was going to lie it down in the middle of the yard and drive over it with his tractor. Glad he didn't follow through on that one. lol
Alot of the risk is how you ride. If your constantly speeding which is a huge problem just look at many youtube videos where dudes crash because someone pulled out but they were going double the speed limit. Remember that graveyards are filled with people who were "right" just because you have the right away doesn't mean you go through an intersection expecting everyone is gonna stop for you.
Motorcycles are not dangerous... I have a dirt bike that sits in my garage . I don’t ride it at all... how is it dangerous??? Is it going to shoot me at night? Nah it just sits there... you probably mean riding a motorcycle is dangerous... that I agree
Those Skull Caps/Brain Buckets should be illegal in States with Helmet Laws. Cops should treat them like not wearing a Helmet when they pull the person over. It's like a Big "F@#$ You, I'm wearing a Helmet" to the Cops.
Hello Dan my mum is the one who is against riding bikes and she's is confident that I am a good driver and I don't like to do something reckless but how can I convince her the only thing that keeps her from telling me no is that people drive unsafely but I could ride safer so is there anyway to make her feel that I will be safe even if people are dumb
+ I talked to one of my eldest cousins he told me if I was old let's say 20s she might agree about riding one note I am saving up my own money to take the msf and the bike and gear I already have a riding jacket and yeah is there anything that is going to help I really want to get my bike but with her being okay with that
Well that is extremely unhealthy, unfortunately they're your family and you can't do much if you're under the same roof. Only thing you can do is get it anyway and prove to them how safe you will and can be. Good luck to you!
My wife really didn’t want me to ride. I’m 45 and I told her I rode dirt bikes from the time I was 8 until 21 and wanted to get back into it. My parents finally told her that if I wanted to do this she shouldn’t be acting like she was. Well she gave up and now she’s seen me riding she’s chilled out since I got my endorsement. Now it’s just a cheap tool to get from place to place commuter for me.
I have no problem with getting a bike Its just my dad wont let me he told me if i buy one he will sell it and give me back my money And you know the messed up part he haves a freaking bike license witch makes it more confusing
Though parents think motorcycles are dangerous due to story's of alot of crashes they are not as a result from the rider it is merley the car drivers that act of fool and hit you
I need my motocycle.. I dont need a wife!.. and I DAMN sure don't need to ask for permission, beg, or convince any one that I'm going to do some thing that makes me happy.. PERIOD!
How to convince your parents to get a bike ?.... easy mum I will not be able to pick up girls on a bike... oh ok then... how ironic got my licence and then took my girlfriend on the back....
I tried for 8 years to convince my wife to let me get a bike. Finally one day I just showed up with a Harley 883 and she didn't talk to me for a whole week. Eventually she got over it. It might not have been the best way to get the bike home but I didn't see any other way.
I have to say that I've spent months trying to convince my youngest son not to get a bike. It was all he was interested in. in the end, I decided that he was going to do it whatever, so I decided to train together at the same time for the UK full bike license. I wanted to do it when my son was about 2 years old, but my wife wouldn't let me ( I guess she doesn't give a shit now!!!). Anyway, he was happy to do that, and we have both recently passed, and he is now more equipped to take to the roads than if he had just done the CBT and left it at that. I am 53 and hes is 19. He can only ride an A2 bike until he is 24. The interesting thing is, once you start drilling down into the accident figures, you discover that yes, it is more dangerous than driving, but the majority of the accidents are caused by rider inexperience/ mistakes/ excessive speed, and of course alcohol as you mentioned. It really is all about the training, and attitude on the road. People such as yourself, and Fast Eddie, are reaching people who would not normally see this type of stuff. I salute you and your efforts to make people aware of what they need to be safe. Incidentally, I think the time of the motorbike is coming again, as bike technology makes bikes safer, and help with all aspects of motorbiking is right here on the net like never before. My intention is to become a motorbike instructor, but over here you have to wait 3 years to do this, so I will be 'skilling' up as much as possible in the meantime.
Although I've never heard DDFM ever say this, but all his comments imply, I've always watched the front tires of vehicles (this is intersections and somewhat low speed) instead of their turn signals as they can be misleading, plus hesitation/commitment movement anywhere on the highway by a motorist (car/truck/bike). They are dead giveaways that the driver isn't paying attention to you!)
I think it’s so great that you decided to do it with your youngest son! My father didn’t want to let me ride, he used to ride when he was my age and got into an accident. He was ok, no life-impacting injuries, but he stopped afterwards
I started riding this year (always wanted to ride since high school, and got my first bike after finishing college and landing my first full time job), and I unfortunately got into an accident on my very first day on the road. Took the MSF course, bought a slightly used Honda Rebel 500, got great insurance coverage, only to have a deer run out in front of me on local roads while I was on my way home for lunch… I was so glad I was wearing gear
But the evening I brought it home, my dad looked at me and laughed. He thought it was so funny that I did everything without telling my family. My bike was the first one he sat on since his accident, and when he sat on it, he looked so happy. Nervous for me to ride, of course, but I haven’t seen him smile like that in a while
Did you end up becoming an instructor?
Bro, I just went through all of this crap. Yesterday, I finally got my endorsement. As happy as I was to finally get it, my emotions weren't that excited. Since watching your channel. I've come to realize I may have depression. I've posted this in another video. (A Friday video.) Lol.
Anyway, you are a great channel to watch and learn from. Keep it up bro.
I don't think you have to convince anyone, although you should let the people who care about you know that you're going to be a very responsible and safe rider You should ease their minds and let them know you won't take any unnecessary chances That's all you can really do, so later everyone and have a good one
Start riding when your still young, if you dont youll regret when your get old!
"follow your dreams"
-honda
Dan, I'm 63 and I was very cautios and shy when I told my dad about my bike because I knew he does not like bikes AT ALL! . Dew to his adge I work out and finally he did response in a good maner, I make comments about being active in my safety and have been getting practice, courses and learning from others (DDFM, MOTOJITSU AND DCRIDER, mainly), never hide that bikes are dangerous but being my self consius in my safety and willing to be better every day is my way of living with my bike. Regards and thanks to all for the great sharing information to make us better riders.
Mohammad 24 here and I’ve had this Harley 1200cc for almost a year now (I know it’s not the best for beginners) but never ridden it on the streets because I gotta get mom’s approval. After arguing with her she said that I can only get my license when I’m 40 and honestly I find that a bit too much because I really wanna ride it while I’m young. Whatever mom wants I guess. Having no siblings keeps biting me and I also know that dad wouldn’t approve too if he’s with us
I bought my motor cycle without my parents fully knowing. Ive told them Iam getting one and all of my steps for safety and reason. I won't be on the road till ive trained in a car for the streets, ive got all my gear and training for it. I picked up a Enduro Hawk 250. I feel its very reasonable.
At first, my wife and daughters would show anxiety each time I left home on my motorcycle. The anxiety level has lessened as I have safely returned, time and time again. Thousands of miles under my belt, and good road strategy (and God’s help) brings me home each time safely. Every time we ride off on our motorcycles, we are taking a certain amount risk, but that is true, regarding most everything we do.
I bought the harley and had it delivered. Nobody was going make me take it back.
Weirdly enough my family's reaction to suggesting a tattoo was shock and horror.
And the worst about motorcycles: but you don't fit the stereotype 😅
I just told my dad I got my licence and I get my bike tomorrow. Finally told my dad...and he was NOT happy...TY for this video
Dan I think you are a super incredible individual. Honest and open good job. You are the man for being able to wear full gear in the heat. I live in New Mexico prettt hot too. I suffered a heat stroke and it chanded my heat control and am super heat sensitive. I have been unable to find a full face helmet and mesh jacket I can stand. I wont stop riding so i wear minimal gear. Im not too cool for gear, i wear it when its cooler. So not everone doesnt wear gear just because they dont want too. Keep up the good messages.
In my situation, it got to the point where I had to say to my family members, “If something happens to me while riding, that’s on me. Not you. You don’t own that. I do. This is the way I choose to spend some of my leisure time.”
That said, I also shoot guns, so they may be used to the whole “higher risk” lifestyle I’ve chosen.🤣
I'm in the process of getting my license, training, and a motorcycle right now. My parents have objections (well just mom lol). I'm 24 and will decide for myself.
So I just got into riding and just got my first bike, the way I got my family on board was by showing that I'm responsible and serious about being safe by taking a few safety classes, getting an assortment of good gear etc...
i was lucky enough my mom had ridden with her grandpa a few times, and my aunt rides as a passenger time to time. didnt take but a day to get her comfortable with my driving
Thanks for the videos. Just got my first bike (CBR125R) and your videos were very helpful!
Thank you Dan, I posed this question a few days ago. Definitely gonna show my family a few videos from your channel so they know I'm fully serious. And that I'm learning from some one who's got some experience.
Yesssss, man I realy need this! Talked about it on discord, only bits I got was my parents are right and to Rob a bank for the money xD
easy dont ask to ride.... tell them you are going to ride.
Well said
Joshua Mcgarvey exactly
Pfft. Don't even tell them, just show up on the motorcycle with gear and all.
Eerm, if I even ask Imma get a (iron) baseball bat right through my head....
But I'm close to getting one
@@shaden4252 me too
All great points Dan. To anyone that wants to start motorbike riding that have parents or a partner that doesn't want you to have one, just go and buy one and bring it home. Like Dan said, they shouldn't be trying to control your life in anyway.
BUT, be thoughtful about it and when you bring it home, tell them you want to talk to them and just say that you know they're only worrying about you because they love you but you're always gonna wear all proper gear whenever you go out on it and you're not gonna be stupid on the bike like doing wheelies and other stupid shit that people do on public roads because of ego.
Just do it, but do it the right way. Don't be completely selfish about it though, remember that most of the time they genuinely care about you and love you so naturally are gonna worry, especially with parents. My Mam still tells me to be careful when she sees me in my gear off out on the bike and it's been over a year since I bought my first bike.
Great topic.
As I've said in the discord, nothing in life is safe so why let it control your decisions. I've never said riding isnt dangerous but as you have stated in your video there are ways to mitigate the danger. And you hit the nail right on the head with this video, and many many other videos... and for that thanks dan keep up the great content 👍 ride safe
I may have mentioned this in the past to you, in 1976 I got my first motorcycle my father loan me the money and my mother moved out on us. She was mad at my father more than me. Then not even six months later my mom said her friend says if you're careful they're not that dangerous and she asked me to take her for a ride and I did. She moved back home my father said what happened she said to my father I love it and I used to ride her around on the weekends all the time, it was pretty cool. My mom has passed on now about 2 years ago but I have two beautiful pictures of her sitting on both of my motorcycles that I had in my God, 45 years of riding. In the mid-80s I was assistant motorcycle instructor.
What if the issue isnt the person not trusting you but them not trusting other drivers. Cos my parents trust that i wont drink and drive, ive ranted to them how i dont understand people that dont wear gear they still arent letting me. They said they would rather buy me a car worth twice as much than to let me get a motorcycle.
well you kinda need balls for riding because there will be danger. if you dont feel like handeling riding, just drive a car, or only ride once a week. etc
Step 1: Say you want a BMW HP4 Race
Step 2: Let them buy you a $150K used Ferrari 458
I love my grom125 cc I use to get back and forth to work everyday in my high traffic city.. and I even do finish carpentry.. I just leave my tools in my bosses truck.. but yes don't drink and ride not long ago an acquaintance I know crashed super drunk and riding and now he can only use half his brain.... yes start on bikes that you can learn to master then work your way up.. I also have known people fresh out of high school(20+ years ago) get brand new 1000cc no on road experience crash and die a few weeks later.. to me its bad enough just dealing with all the idiots when you ride, why be drunk and ride. I drove a car one time drunk as a teenager after that one time I knew I could never drive drunk again. I was the least drunk out of all friends and was peer pressured to drive anothers vehicle but after that I never did again. but ya I was all over the road. I think they should do dmv test, a person gets drunk but not super drunk goes on safety course with someone else not drunk who can help control the car before it go out of control, and sees how bad it really is without being blackout drunk and then will learn better about how it really is. when people hear oh you cant drive they don't believe it till they experience it. to me the bad thing is since most motorcycle deaths are at high speed or drinking.. are motorcycles really as dangerous as they make them out to be when most the deaths are kinda reckless driving.. that's why ive always hated stats.. you can learn some from them but not all unless every thing is included. but even not looking them up im 100% sure the highest death from riding is from drinking and speeding combined so if you avoid just those two together you have a lot higher chance of living. and by getting lower cc bikes you can even limit that top speed also where a lot of riders seem to die at on normal roads vs the track. I can only go 60 on the flats so I know I can still die on a grom but the thing is im not gonna be going 120+mph around a blind corner and have to react in a split second to a left or right turner which basically means death. so you take some of those crazy situations fully out the equation.
My mum did everything she could to stop me getting a bike (back in 1977). She even offered to buy me a cheap car - considering we were working class with little spare money, that was a big deal. I was determined, though, and got my first legal road-bike for my 17th birthday - a Yamaha FSIE moped. She did manage to extract a promise that I would train with one of my dad's friends in the police motorcycle section. I held to my word and the cop was the strictest guy - no smiles, miserable looking, but a superb teacher and astonishingly skillful biker. I'm pretty sure that the promise - and the 12 lessons with Mr Cavendish after I passed my test (that was how I had to address him) is the reason I'm still here.
The rest is history, but 40 yrs later my mum - now well into her 80s - still worries and frets if she knows I'm riding. It still gives me pangs of conscience - but only until I hit the sweeping 120 turn just after Conwy :-)
Hahahaha. It’s funny and your are not the only one. I told my wife I’m getting a bike last year, she counter offered me with a $58000 truck. I took the offer. This season I told her I’m getting a Yamaha, she counter offered with a brand new $40,000 Civic Type R, I took the offer again. Although I didn’t get the bike yet, I can compromise on something nicer. I know I’ll get a bike eventually when she knows bikes are a lot cheaper.
Preach! Good word man. Digging the new helmet
Super helpful, the Dan fam is growing
How I got my bike: Talked to my wife about it for about a month but she wasn't listening. I went to lunch one day and showed up at home with it after lunch.
Patience is huge! Make your points in bunches and let it sit with them. If they are worried, it's not likely your going to change their mind in one sit down.
Thanks, this video helped me!
So Im not the only one, myfanily is super mad :/
I don’t live with my parents but my dad doesn’t want to talk to me anymore
I didn’t tell my parents that I bought one. It’s easy to keep it secret since I love about 60 miles away from them!
Before I hear what Dan has to say, my gf and mom are totally against me getting a bike. I’m still getting one, but hopefully this video can help ease the way
You're not alone. Mine threatened to break up with me if I get one.
Well in New Zealand, you cant just go and get a litre bike. There’s three licence classes. Learner, Restricted, and Full. On the first two classes you can only ride a LAMS approved motorcycle. Won’t go into all the bikes you can get but the Rebel 500 is one of those as an example. Time frame for the licence periods are -
Learner 6 months minimum
Restricted 18 months minimum
Two years of riding before you can get a bike over 660cc
www.nzta.govt.nz/driver-licences/getting-a-licence/licences-by-vehicle-type/motorcycles/lams/lams-approved-and-prohibited-motorcycles/
My gf (of 6 years) yesterday threatened to break up with me if I get one, which I'm really set on doing. She even said "If you get one, get one before we are married so the break up process is easier." Like what? I can't believe someone would throw away a 6 year relationship over a bike.
Dan, been following you for a few weeks I have subscribed, and debating on joining your patreon. I just gotta say imo you could have added for that person to take the accident safety along further training after you receive your License or indorsement. I only recommend this because it had actually helped me and friend. When you show you are being proactive along with being aware of the risks and how to mitigate some of them, it actually takes the wind out of their sails. Just a suggestion, keep educating the masses and be safe all.
I can't say that I can relate to this problem at all. My father rode a Harley Davidson when I was growing up, and was carting me around on the back by the time I turned 4. And as soon as I turned 16, both of my parents made it clear that I could have any vehicle I wanted as long as I was able to cover the gas, the purchase and the insurance on it. I've owned 4 trucks, 1 mustang and three motorcycles. I still currently have one truck and my 800 Suzuki Intruder. "Permission" need not apply! 😎👍
I ride all the time and have for over 30 years and I am so guilty if not having gear. I do have a full face helmet "that I never wear" because if the weight. I've had 2 discs taken out of my neck and it kills me after 30 minutes. I do have a really light half helmet that I do wear because it's more bearable. I also always wear boots and at least jeans "never shorts". And usually have my vest on. But here in AZ summer makes a vest almost unbearable. Anyway you make awesome points and I'm going to try and fine a good/light full face and some better gear. My but just started riding this year and I insisted that he have gear so I should be living by what i preach as well. Thanks for all the great content.
Michael Goodwin have you thought about doing a motocross style helmet with sunglasses or goggles? Could be a light set up and a lot of airflow for hot summers.
Chris Johnson no I really hadn't to be honest
I think discussing the ways you are mitigating risk is a good approach. Talking about how deadly motorcycles are may not be.
My mom said im probably bipolar for “making an impulsive decision to buy a motorcycle” lol
Id been wanting one for years
It sounds like she is toxic for accusing you of being bipolar for just wanting a motorcycle don't let her pull you down to her level buddy go forefill your dream of getting one don't let anyone tell you what to do
Its going to be clear before marriage, im riding for the rest of my life.
I'm sitting on my 800 Suzuki Intruder while watching this right now and laughing my head off. LOL!!! 🤣
Good advice Dan. I second your point on always wearing gear. I went down in the canyons about a month ago, broke my tibia and fibia and suffered severe lacerations to my arm that temporarily paralyzed my hand. (it still doesn't work) Had I not been wearing a full leather race suit and my Bell helmet it would have been a lot worse! Thanks for the video.
Ouch. All that with full gear?
The conversation with my family went.
Me: I am getting a motorcycle.
mother:No you are fucking not!Me: I am an adult... so fuck off.
Mother: I am going to tell your grandmother.
Later
Grandmother that hates literally everything: Ah cool are you going to take me for a ride.
Grandfather: I had a motorcycle and now I am fucking old. My best friend died on a motorcycle. That sucked, don't do that.
Mother: Kristi (my wife) back me up on this.
Waifu: Meh whatever.
Kids: vroom vroom!
so far i have had nothing but support from family and friends riding a motorcycle
Perfect video I’m looking for!!!
i just went and took the msf course with a buddy and then went and bought me a new bike, my wife found out that i bought it after a few days....
50mpg ain't sounding too bad rn. And if i get hit in my cheap late 90s tin metal shitbox by a car going 50+ mph, its probably going to be just as lethal as a bike incident.
Would have liked but 420 is too perfect
Part of how I convinced my wife was the promise to wear all the gear all the time, no matter how tempting it is to ditch the jacket maybe. I also got myself a hi viz vest and I have yet to ride my bike without it. It seems to help and gives everyone peace of mind
I did the same but with my parents. I also purchased one of the helite vests for my own peace of mind
Red gear too it catches the eye of drivers well
My mom is super not cool with it, and probably never will be. This comes from 40 years working with auto accidents. But she also understand that I'll continue to be one of the safest people on the road, like I am with a four-wheeler and an eighteen-wheeler. So even though she's not comfortable with it, she isn't giving me too much shit about it. My MSF course is two weekends from now :-D
Dan what is your stance on the "don't ask for permission ask for forgiveness " side of getting a bike?
Don't forget long-term disability insurance as well as life insurance. If you're stuck drooling in your wheelchair you need income as well.
I forgot who said this, but it's true.
"It's easier to ask for forgiveness, then ask for permission."
Of course, this doesn't apply to things like sex & rape. Don't be stupid & evil.
But when it comes to YOUR body, YOUR life, and you are not really harming or bullying anyone innocent. Then you can do whatever you want.
Don't ask for permission, don't even mention it. Try keep everything about it a secret. Then just appear with the motorcycle & gear, like it's a normal day. Like you just came from a parallel dimension, where you always had a motorcycle, and friends, family, whoever, are just now acting weird about it.
Treat it like it's not a big deal, because it's not. It's something you want, and you're learning how to ride professionally, with alertness & prudence. To keep yourself safe, and the motorcycle safe. If they want to become stupid, emotional monkeys, let them. You remain calm. Make them feel dumb, for acting crazy.
If they won't listen to you. If they keep cutting you off, belittling & dismissing everything you say. Then just end the conversation with: That motorcycle is part of my life now.
Then walk away, move on to what you were going to do, if they weren't there, or if they didn't act like that.
If they say "where do you think you're going?", "We're not done talking to you!", "Don't turn your back to me!", or whatever. Just tell them, if they are not going to listen to you, keep interrupting you, and dismissing what you say, then there's no reason to try to talk to you about this.
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If they ask:"Do you think you're tough?". Give them the most confused look you can, and say, ...No??? Do you feel tough asking me that? (or)...I don't know what you mean? Why would you ask me that?...Tough enough to maintain it? Yes. Tough enough to ride in the rain & cold? Yes. Tough enough to fall off it, and get back up? Yes. Tough enough not to be afraid of it, or ignorant of the risks? Yes. If anything, a motorcycle needs me to be gentle with the controls, and I am.
"Do you think you're grown???" I'm old enough to decide how I get around. "How???" Other options aren't good enough, that motorcycle is. It's efficient, easy to park, I don't need the room of a car, and that motorcycle doesn't make me miserable.
If they try something like: "If you love me, get rid of it", "It's me or the motorcycle.", or, "Get rid of it, or get out."
Then you tell them: I choose the motorcycle. You're right, it's you, you're the problem, not the motorcycle. Ok, I'll get ready to move out.
You tell them: My needs, and my happiness, are more important to me, then ANYONE else. I will not push away what I want, and live with misery & regret, just to make everyone else happy. This is my life, not yours. And if you can't accept that. Then I don't want you in my life, dragging me down, making me depressed, just for you to feel good & satisfied.
"You will die."
That is not guaranteed. It's not even guaranteed I will crash. And if I do die, I will die happy.
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If they physically threaten you, or it, then get the police involved, say you will press charges, like assault, vandalism, harassment, endangerment, and theft.
OR, even better. Be even more independent. If they physically threaten you or your motorcycle, you physically threaten them. Get a knife or some weapon, if you have to. Bring your motorcycle into your room if you can. Do not tolerate their violent levels of stupidity, ignorance, and desire to control you for their selfish benefit.
Again, it's your life, your motorcycle, your responsibility, not theirs, or anyone elses.
Maybe before you get it, get a lock for your room, install an alarm & tracking device in your motorcycle, disc-locks that make noise when disturbed, and a motorcycle cover.
"What if you crash and get injured? Who's gonna pay for that???"
If it's my fault or a freak accident, I will pay for it, with my money & credit. If I can't, the debt is my problem. If someone made me crash, they will pay, I will sue them, or make a deal with them. If I do crash, don't get involved. It's my responsibility.
I hope all this helps all you new riders. Prepare for the worst. Not just the worst situations on the road, but also, prepare for the worst reactions, of you just having a motorcycle. Remember. If it's something you really want, then no one else matters. If someone has a massive problem with you being a rider, then cut them out of your life, and replace them with someone who doesn't care, or who genuinely likes motorcycles.
For YOURSELF, and those who have a problem. Watch videos from this channel, and MC Rider, and motorcycle crash videos, Twist of the Wrist 2, learn & study as much as you can about motorcycle safety & skills, again, for YOURSELF, and to overwhelm others with your knowledge, just to shut them up, or at least show them that you are serious about motorcycles, and that you're not one of those shallow idiots, who just get a motorcycle to impress anyone, or look "cool".
And if you are one of those idiots. Fucking don't be.
Great tips. Thank you :D
My parents are neutral on my bike ownership. They are obviously concerned about safety, but also aren’t against me owning it.
I guess I’m lucky in that sense, does help that I’m 20, I imagine this video is aimed at younger audience members looking for a first bike
Excellent Advice,especially from a young guy..
How timely. I just want a scooter (150-300cc because of hills) for local errands, no freeway/highway. And I'm sure like cars, most accidents occur within 5 miles of home... And per my motorcycle friends, I will be getting top quality helmet/gear. But the wife and the daughter are giving a LOT of push back. Start my CMPS next week. We will see.......
I'm 19 and I can afford a little 250 with ALL the gear. Mom said if I get one I can't bring it home.... I'll only be home another month before I'm at college....
Shit wish i had this when i started. I bought my bike at the end of a season and hid it at my friends till next season and the bike was already registered, insured and i had all my gear ready to go.
Hey Dan. Would you say a modular helmet still offers good protection or is a full face helmet still the way to go?
I prefer the Kirk Lazarus (playing Sgt. Lincoln Osiris) method: "It's simple as pie man: you plant your feet on the ground, you look her square in the eyes you say "Hey! baby, I'mma get me a motorcycle and I'mma ride the fuck out of it, that's the end of the story."
My dad told me one. If i ever brought home a motorbike. he was going to lie it down in the middle of the yard and drive over it with his tractor. Glad he didn't follow through on that one. lol
Exactly the video I need today... I asked my parents if I could take lessons, one said yes the other no... halfway there
Iroise C good luck
Thanks lmao
Alot of the risk is how you ride. If your constantly speeding which is a huge problem just look at many youtube videos where dudes crash because someone pulled out but they were going double the speed limit. Remember that graveyards are filled with people who were "right" just because you have the right away doesn't mean you go through an intersection expecting everyone is gonna stop for you.
Great addictive thanks
You buy one with your own money and then they can't say anything... That's what I found
I just have to say, if you need to get permission to ride a motorcycle, please don't ride a motorcycle.
I’m 16 and I just got my licence. I want to buy a ninja 400 but my mom thinks I’m gonna die.
Motorcycles are not dangerous... I have a dirt bike that sits in my garage . I don’t ride it at all... how is it dangerous???
Is it going to shoot me at night? Nah it just sits there... you probably mean riding a motorcycle is dangerous... that I agree
Ur wierd
Don’t necessarily agree...
Those Skull Caps/Brain Buckets should be illegal in States with Helmet Laws. Cops should treat them like not wearing a Helmet when they pull the person over. It's like a Big "F@#$ You,
I'm wearing a Helmet" to the Cops.
"I got a motorcycle and I am going to ride it." End of story :3 I don't take a lot of shit from people any more honestly
What about the Harley Brand helmets. Are they good
Hello Dan my mum is the one who is against riding bikes and she's is confident that I am a good driver and I don't like to do something reckless but how can I convince her the only thing that keeps her from telling me no is that people drive unsafely but I could ride safer so is there anyway to make her feel that I will be safe even if people are dumb
+ I talked to one of my eldest cousins he told me if I was old let's say 20s she might agree about riding one note I am saving up my own money to take the msf and the bike and gear I already have a riding jacket and yeah is there anything that is going to help I really want to get my bike but with her being okay with that
What i did was stress that i will wear my gear and told my wife its better to ask for forgiveness than permission....take my class next week lol
The worst thing i heard from my mom when deciding to ride was when she said "if you buy a ducati i will disown you!" i ride a kawisaki.
Maybe she really hates italian bikes
@@remy7541 nah, she was just concerned for my safety as all good mothers are.
How about my whole family saying that I can't have a motorcycle and if I manage to get one they will steal it and sell it?
Well that is extremely unhealthy, unfortunately they're your family and you can't do much if you're under the same roof. Only thing you can do is get it anyway and prove to them how safe you will and can be. Good luck to you!
yeah.... need to be a rebel and move out and be your own person. cant let people control your life.
Not just unhealthy but illegal. If it does happen, you know right where to point the police who are investigating the theft.
Kronaz邪児 True but if someone stole it I would know who so they would just have to track the name.
how about "how to convince your family to let you ride a motorcycle again after an accident" (that wasn't your fault)
the best for that is to reason with them about if they would stop driving if they had a car accident.
My wife really didn’t want me to ride. I’m 45 and I told her I rode dirt bikes from the time I was 8 until 21 and wanted to get back into it. My parents finally told her that if I wanted to do this she shouldn’t be acting like she was. Well she gave up and now she’s seen me riding she’s chilled out since I got my endorsement. Now it’s just a cheap tool to get from place to place commuter for me.
I have no problem with getting a bike
Its just my dad wont let me he told me if i buy one he will sell it and give me back my money
And you know the messed up part he haves a freaking bike license witch makes it more confusing
Though parents think motorcycles are dangerous due to story's of alot of crashes they are not as a result from the rider it is merley the car drivers that act of fool and hit you
I’m 16,I want to be a cop and my parents won’t even let me go to the gun range let alone get a motorcycle 😓
Dan The Man!!!
What are your thoughts on modular lids? I wear one myself, but typically only raise the chin bar at stops or low speeds.
Kevin Toole it's the same as a 3/4 helmet the chin part usually breaks little protection
Kevin Toole little protection on the chin area the rest is fine
bluckingblucker thanks bud
ManMan the firedan
Just buy one and get your ass upon it and subscribe this youtuber.
Or just do if because you're an adult and can make your own life decisions
“If you buy a motorcycle, I’m gonna leave you!” - okay then, bye 🤷🏻♂️
him talking about having 50k subs while now he has almost 600k LMAO
Ayyyyy
I just bought one... sadly my parents died and I live alone with no family... maybe I’ll see them soon
I need my motocycle.. I dont need a wife!.. and I DAMN sure don't need to ask for permission, beg, or convince any one that I'm going to do some thing that makes me happy.. PERIOD!
as an adult I will make my own decisions, so my family will just have to live with it.
If your living under their roof you may want to reconsider
"get life insurance you're gonna need it".... :| fuck
Easy move out get a job buy a bike.
My family is very libertarian, they'll let me do whatever. It has its pro's and con's lol.
I had to fight my father every step of the way, in the end I just did it and he accected it.
"let you"?
get a new familiy, yours is not working ion your interests.
How to convince your parents to get a bike ?.... easy mum I will not be able to pick up girls on a bike... oh ok then... how ironic got my licence and then took my girlfriend on the back....