@@donttouchmycrowbar3452 Yeah man, I even thought at one point, to add that what you said was right if it's from the movie's perspective. I think I forgot.
The Peugot P88 #51 in 1988 went 251.65mph and holds the highest top speed ever at Le Mans...of course they maximized the turbo boost pressure, covered up the cooling inlets and brake ducts as much as possible to reduce drag, and nearly blew up the engine doing it. They weren't going to win the race as they spent well over 3 hours in the pits for repairs, and decided to send out Roger Dorchy and see how fast it would go. In 1990, 2 chicanes were added on the straight.
That was a perfect keep your job speech. He minimized his failures, highlighted his achievements and then shifted the blame without calling out anyone specifically.
That's how it's done. If he called people out directly he would just look like a whiner. Highlighted his achievements so his confidence didn't look like arrogance. I'm definitely taking a page from his book.
He also knows, that whomsoever speaks next loses. Knowing when not to speak is as important as speaking, even though Deuce tries to reclaim the advantage with his "There is only one man in charge..." line, deep down those who understand, know who won that duel.
@@Hugs_4_Bugs_ One of the execs should have spoken, taken some of the shame of the outcome, but they stood there fearing for their jobs. Instead, The Deuce had to speak.
Great actors carry the rhythm or music of the script. Thats if it's a well written script too. You don't need music. Check our Glenn Garry Glenn Ross. Or Meryl Streep in August Osage County. No music needed. Just the beauty of the rhythm. Christoph Waltz in Inglorious Bastards is another on that comes to mind.
I love how pragmatic Ford is in this scene. Pay very close attention. He's legitimately asking Shelby these questions, not using his anger to impose authority. I loved this scene. Second only to Ford crying in the car.
Yes, this whole conversation wouldn’t have even happened had he not chosen to give him a chance to speak. He was already on track to fire Shelby, but he still gave him an opportunity to explain himself, bring a new perspective. And when Shelby did just that, he didn’t get angry at him for standing up to him. He listened.
@@bighands69 Because other than the Mustang cars don't sell anymore. Ford makes so many sales, I'd hardly say they went the wrong direction given the current market.
@@drunkhusband6257 plus they're already producing the F-150 Lightning. The factory is pushing them out and they're already on the road. They aren't even trying to sway over Cybertruck fanbois, yet they're winning them over just by having something tangible.
I had the pleasure of briefly working with Shelby when I was a designer on the original Viper, he was one of the consultants on the project. A bonafide auto genius and truly a super nice man, his chili was great as well!
he was not the john browning of modern racecars thats completely fuckin ridiculous. if it's anyone it's colin chapman. i'm a proud american, but your analogy is bullshit
"Even with all the extra weight" looks at employees doing nothing "Even with the wrong driver" looks at BB "Your Welcome!" Looks at HFT2 Damn the audacity of this man is insane
@@Gustav-vu5tj - And I think the Deuce actually recognized that Shelby had the balls to stand up to him, which gave Ford confidence to give Shelby the green light!
"We clocked 218mph down the Mulsanne straight, and in all his years of racing....Old man Ferrari ain't ever seen anything move that fast." Freaking EPIC
Probably accurate, but not that meaingful - the Ferrari 330P3 did 200+mph, so the GT40 wasn't that much faster. Plus, Le Mans is all about handling. True, producing an engine unit that could match Ferrari was a BIG factor, but the GT40 would have won mostly because of superior aerodynamics, breaking and down force. These sports cars are "only" averaging about 110mph - they rarely get anywhere near top speed. They're not screaming around the track at 170 or 180mph like an F1 car would - a GT40 probably only surpasses 150mph once per lap, at Le Mans, on the long straight
Or solved the math questions as janitor at MIT when no one else could, or act innocent but was actually a really good pickpocket. Or was a great imposter in Asgard.
Shelby spoke the truth: the Ford was faster. And he then put Mr Ford into an impossible spot of either abandoning the fastest road car ever - or let Shelby convince GM to take this to the finish line. Brilliant tactic.
GM wasn’t racing. Shelby originally wanted to use Chevy engines in Cobras but GM decided Cobras would cannibalize Corvette sales. Some early Cobras used Corvette radiators Shelby bought from Chevy dealers until GM ordered their dealers not to sell to Shelby.
To OP. 1. This scene *never happened* in reality, it was dramatized for the movie. 2. Ford was NEVER going to abandon the GT40 after just two attempts at LeMans. It was *widely known* you needed 2-3 attempts (sometimes more) before you finally win your first LeMans. It was also widely known Ferrari exhausted itself running in Formula 1, LeMans and sports cars at the same time, when they couldn't afford it (FIAT didn't purchase Ferrari until 1969 before then it was all Ferrari owned) meaning it was only a matter of time before Ford's gargantuan resources would make them win. 3. GM had *zero* intention of going endurance racing officially because they already were the largest company in the world at this time. Ford only did it to attract more young people to buy their cars. 4. GM *already* had a sports car racing program with Lola (British manufacturer) which was killing it in Can-Am (Group 7 racing) as well as the promising McLaren outfit (which *dominated CanAm with Chevrolet engines for 5 years straight). 5. The Ford GT (later GT40) was *never* a road car. It was devised for *racing* first and foremost. The MkI, MkII and MKIV versions *only* saw racing. A few MkIII road cars were made. In fact only *13 of them* . That is all. Guess what? The MkIII roadcar did NOT have the 7,0 liter big block V8 of the MkII and MkIV racing cars but had a 4,7 liter smallblock V8 detuned to 310hp. Never trust a Hollywood movie to tell you the truth about history.
@@wezmarauder2754 I was wondering about Fiat buying Ferrari in the movie, that Ferrari only agreed to meet with Ford to increase Fiat’s offer. As I remember it, Enzo was set to sign Ford’s deal but wanted to keep control of his racing division, which Ford would gain control of. Ford wouldn’t back down, so Enzo simply got up and left the meeting to go get lunch. All the work the Ford lawyers had done was for nothing, and it was after that that Henry Ford II ordered Ford to build a race car that would beat Ferrari at Le Mans. I believe that was in 1963, Shelby came on with Ken Miles in 1965 after the first failed attempt in 1964, and they won in 1966. The movie skips the first attempt and brings in Carroll Shelby and Ken Miles from the start.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc - That was an error in the movie showing the newspaper heading saying Fiat Bought Ferrari - that didn't happen until several years later in 1969.
The thing about this movie and then looking back further into the history of racing that shocked me was the lack of safety standards and protection for these drivers. Here it was bad enough - no roll cages, cement walls etc - but a generation earlier, I was like - leather helmets? Open-topped cars? You expected several drivers to be killed in every race. Le Mans was an especially lethal track. My father used to race motorcyles, which are much more dangerous, but the tracks I went to with him in the 90s had sandtraps, bales of hay, or areas where you could just drive straight off into the field. He did crash many times over the years, he was at races where people died, and he broke enough bones, but most of the time when he went down he threw the bike away from himself and just slid along, because the biggest danger for those guys is the bike itself. There was also a two-year period in the 70s when he was at his best where he didn't fall down once. He came in first in his last big race in 1980, when he was 27-28. He still said it was painful watching the bike spin and snap parts off because he was thinking, "That's $300, that's $500, that's $1000" etc. LOL
Because the earliest days - everything was new and were just learning really. And as simple as some of these changes may seem - they were at the times actually nearly impossible or unknown. They didn't manage to get a racing helmet for car races settled to the 50's because the needs of a driver racing cars and motorcycles are different. Cement walls were in some cases better than the open guard rails that led to in some cases decapitations, it's only in the last decade or so that NASCAR at least has and uses on it's track the 'safer barrier' because they finally figured out a way to make a durable enough wall that can absorb some more energy. The Hans Device wasn't mandatory till after Senior's wreck because there were older drivers like him that wanted to be able to turn their head essentially and had been through a ton of horrific accidents - till the one that seems mundane by comparison was the exact wrong things coming together, and even then it wasn't till another accident later that year and a months long investigation in to seniors they made them wear it. To say nothing of testing new things because what good is a device that keeps you fixed in space to avoid head injuries if it ends up trapping you in a upside-down car that's on fire? Drivers today, back then, etc - they know every time they go on the track it's a risk. And it always will be because there are some things you just can't plan for, or they haven't found a way to prevent, such as a car bursting in to flames. Some of these safety things could always fail and the result is the same as if it were never there. While over time they have done what they can to make the sports safer - end of the day, there was an understanding that you knew the risks and chose to get in the car.
And then there was Group B rally, 600hp single use engine, lightweight composite body panels, tiny wheelbase and a plastic "rollcage" all raced on a narrow dirt road in the middle of the woods/mountains with spectators running onto the track to get a better view.
They were real men in that era. Today we are dominated by safety and people are too scared to do anything. It is getting to the point people will be scared to walk out their front door. Correct that people are too scared as they walk around with cloth on their faces.
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The angry boss patiently and quietly allows Shelby to give his side of the story, without interrupting. Probably the most unrealistic scene from anything ever.
I've had an angry boss call me on the carpet. He asked me why I didn't come to him about the issue. I told him he never made himself approachable or even said hello to me. Afterward, he made sure to engage with me in small but significant ways. I had great respect for his ability to see through the BS. I know, not a common occurrence.
Not when the boss has staked a record amount of money on essentially one man’s assurance he can achieve an incredibly difficult thing that’s never been achieved or even attempted before by any American car company.
Not really. Rare? yes. Unrealistic? Not really. Ive been in that position before (Shelby's) and i was just as blunt as Shelby was. "Yes this was wrong, Yes this failed, Yes that was the wrong way to do that." Followed by "But i notifed X about the problem 13 months ago, Handed X a report outlining the problem 10 months ago that i made on my own time with what i found out about the problem on my own, that i can easily print for you right now to look at, yet X denied any problem existed. So yes i did things the wrong way, because i had to do it the wrong way as the 'correct' was was literally impossible to do so long as the problem continues to exist, and im more than willing to show you exactly why it cant be done the right way here and now."
@@StaticTremor - HFII already spent huge sums of money well before Shelby even entered the picture. Only after the Brits failed to make a reliable, fast, racing vehicle did the Deuce pull it out of their hands and give it to Shelby American. Shelby's men, Kar Kraft and Holman Moody all contributed to make it work!
I love that Shelby takes away much of The Deuce's ammunition by acknowledging where they had legitimate problems. By bringing up these negatives, he had the opportunity to reframe them and take away their power in this discussion. Impressive skills at negotiating in a highly stressful situation.
''We don't even know if the paintjob will last 24 hours..'' and he's not exaggerating. These 24 hrs endurance races are no joke, specially back in the day.
@@boah1668 Good question....it shows a man who brooks no bullcrap, has little time for it, but if you have something meaningful to say, well, he wants you to "expand"....he is a man of few words and a force not to be trifled with, and Shelby is forthright with him on having too many chiefs as the primary reason for the LeMans debacle, which Ford, his interest piqued, acknowledges with an expand, but he is not fully won over yet, and needs him to, well, expand.
@@boah1668 A man of few words often says so much....rewatch when he says "Did we?"....and when he finally looks over at him, acknowledging his very existence....every word, every movement, every nuance, the manner in which he sat stoic and motionless when Shelby attempts a joke, has purpose.....how the actor who played this role of Ford was not nominated for a best supporting actor Oscar is beyond me.
@@thomasbummer4361 ever considered the fact that "having nothing to loose" could precisely fuel up someone's self confidence to the point it sets you on the upright winning position?
@@peterkater4292 yes, could. but that's not what the OP meant nor what happened in this scene. And a confident man also does not need this as a boost. Also its not real self-confidence then.
@@thomasbummer4361 Why couldn't a "confident man" make use of a situational "boost" of his self confidence? Starting this thread, someone rightfully wrote "Shelby knew (... ) he would still be Carroll Shelby". That doesn't mean he wasn't already self confident. He indeed used the situation as a "boost of confidence" to face Henry Ford's questions (or "attacks" as a matter of fact) with reinforced strength. All of which is genuinely depicted in the movie by the OP.
That is how you make your point. You don't scream, yell or raise hell. You talk to the other guy, you admit what's wrong, you say what is right and you explain how to make it all work. Now it is the other guys fault if he doesn't listen.
People usually raise their voice to override other people while trying to get their point across. If the other person you're talking to is just sitting there and actually listens, people rarely scream.
Love the choice of having him say “expand” instead of “explain”. Explain = “I don’t understand your point, and would like you to clarify your reasoning.” Expand = “I think I understand your point, and would like to see if you arrived at the same conclusion I have.”
@@victorkong82 i kinda agree. Its not necessarily about what's been described above. Explain is to go back over what they have said, possibly in more specific detail. Expand is to ask someone to talk further and broaden their points, bring in wider detail rather than deeper detail. Its why Larry King used expand. He wanted people to give a good general overview, because the viewer likely won't understand deep detail anyways. Ford doesn't want Shelby to explain himself beyond what's just been said. He doesn't want detail further on why it failed. He wants expansion, move past why we failed and broaden, to how we make sure it doesn't happen again
I don’t think that Ford understood what Shelby was getting at, he understood what he was saying but he needed Shelby to finish his point or “expand” on it. Ford wasn’t a genius or even very good at his job, he just happened to be a Ford. I think it shows that Ford isn’t an idiot but that he isn’t thinking on the level of Shelby because Shelby is just far more experienced in the world of racing.
What a scene! It is hard to come by such great acting where no music required, no body movements required and just 1 man talking and in the end, its nothing but a masterpiece delivery.
he knew his chances of getting fired was extremely high. he was pressed to the wall. when you give-up the love towards your cravings and ego, also your fear of failure ; your mind becomes crystal clear in what you want to say - i too was in this position once and the entire universe conspired to put it right. never looked back since then
Shelby was a Texan. This accent is really accurate for an old Texas city dude (I’m a Texan who hangs with old dudes). Most “southern” Texas accents you hear in movies are garbage. Incredible voice acting.
This was such a good movie. I'm a corporate stooge and this movie very accurately displays how things go in the corporate world. You can have a great idea, everyone signs off on it, but because VP of ballsack said "no" the entire thing can be canned indefinitely until he comes up with his own version to take the credit of having the idea in the first place. I loved this movie to that regard. Between the CEO and his VPs & marketing, it was just terrific. I don't know fuck all about cars though. It was loud as hell in theaters which was great.
Gotta say though, that's some pretty good acting there, not only by Matt Damon, but Tracy Lette - despite only having to essentially sit in that chair - you could just feel the sharp tension and anger that he was portraying. Fantasdtic scene.
If you listen to Shelby tell the story most all at ford had it in for him, Iacocca a true innovator had great faith in him and really put his career on the line.
Yet Shelby is on record having said he respected HFII tremendously and gives him much credit for saving Ford Motor Company. He went on to say The Deuce always treated him fairly and with respect. Iacocca became a strong supporter of Shelby too.
Everyone used to think Shelby was a car guy. Yes that is true. But after this movie and matt's character play of him , we see that he was also a business guy. He knew people and knew how to work them into his favor.
Or he knew he could get another good job tomorrow if he got fired and just told the old man what is needed for victory that he craved as much as the old man.
@@VersusARCH this is all for dramatic purposes mind you. But if this is based on an actual conversation, Shelby wasn't afraid to say what he needed to say because he had told them from the very start what was needed, and pointed out what were the actual reasons for losing. Plus he knew it would be stroking ford's ego to give him what he needed to beat Ferrari.
He said your welcome meaning that if you don't like what I am doing to help you then there are others out there that will want his help and appreciate it as well and let him do his job with out trying to control him. Carroll Shelby is a guy that understands what Ford wants and knows they want to beat Ferrari and he is going to do everything in his powers to help but when the exicutives start to get in the way and call all the shots is what keeps Mr. Shelby from doing his job.
Shelby's speech to Mr Ford reminds me of Niki Lauda's speech to Enzo Ferrari, when Lauda tells him his cars are shit. Ford listened to Shelby and Enzo listened to Lauda, all 4 men met great success.
I always thought that the scene in Rush where Daniel Bruhl tells the Ferrari people that their car is a sh*box was fake until I saw a documentary where Niki Lauda confirmed that he did say it.
Lauda was one of few drivers amongst themselves. Arrogant yes, bordering on completely dislikable, probably, but in the end they knew beyond a doubt ol boy could drive a car. So they went with it.
The greatest tragedy in f1 is that Niki lauda only won 3 championships. The 76 championship was his by right until the freak accident caused him to miss races, and he only lost by 1 point after he refused to race in torrential rain in Japan. He came straight back next year in 77 winning the wdc. He’s already a legend and one of the greatest race car drivers ever but if had 4 world championships he would be in all top 5 lists.
@@ConnorDamewood I have had the misfortune to encounter a few Presidents and VP’s of large multinationals, they all shared that particular trait with Ford Jnr. Wasn’t one of ‘em I’d have pissed on if they were on fire.
I love this scene so much. It starts out with the implication Shelby will get fired after he leaves the room and as the scene unfolds he has the confidence to tell Ford everything that went wrong from his end and how the people who work directly under Ford sabotaged his progress because it wasn’t the Ford way. After that he turns the whole conversation into saying everything went right for what they wanted to do and that was to scare Ferrari and now he has Ford now thinking he’s right and I can’t fire him after he said that and knowing he’s the only guy to get the job done. Just brilliantly done.
@@andrewolson5471 Sure but Shelby was bargaining from a position of strength. Naturally he wanted to be running Ford’s racing program but he had other business interests building Cobras. As one who is currently bargaining from a position of strength after working for the man for so long, I can tell you it makes a big difference when people start talking tough.
@@Stephanlabize - Well, Smartass, you're even dumber than you sound! Henry Ford I was the Deuce's Grandfather, NOT his Father! Henry Ford II was the son of Edsel Ford. You aren't Junior unless you are named after your FATHER. You would do well to get your shit together before you start slinging it around!! Some good news though. Your Proctologist called...He found your head! Lol ES&D
Wait wait wait...so you're telling me...that...DC and Marvel collaborated...nothing bad happened, and the evil villain Ferrari was vanquished? Ok, well, Batman died, but that's been coming for a while. 🤪🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
In service, I watched a Commanding General surprise his base's front gate post. By that week's end, all posts had a medium fridgerator and water bubbler, reclining chair, and thick mat for standing during long shifts. Security improved almost overnight. Never speak with supervisors. Always get your insight from the guys on the ground.
Not just that, but Shelby was a race car driver in his own right, and he had raced Le Mans before. Because of his heart condition he couldn't race anymore, but he knew what he was talking about.
On the oval track they could in testing but the Mulsanne Straight you get to about 220 then U have a 45 degree hairpin where you're on the brakes hard braking from 300 yards away and drop back to first gear and go around it at 40 mph it can be really hard on the whole car and it's an endurance race you have to be careful.
Highest officially timed speed was on the Mulsanne Straight and it was 216 mph. People constantly try to say it was faster but not so in its racing trim. Still, it was the second car to break 200 mph at Le Mans so that was an incredible speed for the time!
I am happy Matt Damon is still working in excellent movies like this, The Martian and Oppenheimer. He is one of my favourite actors, likable and humble person too
absolutely accurate. It would be a powerful link to history. my guess is they wanted to focus more on Ferrari going bankrupt so they could introduce the next scenes in a more logical way...
Porsche(the most successful car manufacturer in Le Mans) was in near bankruptcy state and they put everything on the line with their 917 car to win their first Le Mans title in 1970 and won the most Le Mans titles than any car manufacturer. Ford on the other hand they have the money and to make a race car from scratch and if they fail they could still start over easily without putting the company in bankruptcy. They should make a movie about Porsche rise in Le Mans
@@ramal5708 you make a fair point and I’d love to see a Porsche movie. Really any Le Mans or otherwise racing movie. I still like Days of Thunder for crying out loud. The glint of glory here was money doesn’t win races, people do. Which is why Porsche and Shelby won. A lot. The nod to Ford here is they beat all their opponents in THEIR backyard. Which would be like Porsche selling 10 million cheap, reliable, average sedans for the masses which dominated in NASCAR.
@@HotRodsnHueys Couldn't agree more with you guys. There is indeed a reason why the "Golden Age" of racing is called like that. I am not that old, but I definitely can't say I'm looking forward to see for myself what the "future" of automotive has for us.
"Infact, the only thing that didn't break was the brakes. Hell, we don't even know if the paint job will last the whole 24 hours!" Spoken like a true gear head. I love it.
@@theerarkh Funnily enough, Enzo's relationship with Surtees completely turned after his accident with Lola at the end of 1965. There is a strong argument to be made that Ferrari's internal politics imploding and Surtees quitting the team on the eve of the 24 hours of Le Mans when he found out Ferrari had demoted him to their second car was a big factor in why Ferrari lost both the F1 and World Sportscar championships in 1966, and why Ford ended up beating them at Le Mans.
Porsche(the most successful car manufacturer in Le Mans) was in near bankruptcy state and they put everything on the line with their 917 car to win their first Le Mans title in 1970 and won the most Le Mans titles than any car manufacturer. Ford on the other hand they have the money and to make a race car from scratch and if they fail they could still start over easily without putting the company in bankruptcy. They should make a movie about Porsche rise in Le Mans
I lasted 4 years in upper management before choosing early retirement. The stench of corporate suck ups, ball cradling and sycophantic ankle grabbing was nauseating beyond endurance. Upper management spends 80% of their time polishing knee pads while trying to figure out what gets the boss hard. A sound plan and decisive actions are avoided like a plugged up toilet at a rest stop.
@@maxbrazil3712 The Federal $7,500 subsidy is tax credit to the end consumer NOT Tesla. Telsa just posted 1 Billion in Net income for the 2nd quarter 2021. Educate yourself.
@@maxbrazil3712 makes me want to go buy an old MACK truck with a 2 stroke detroit 2 stick trans and an air starter. Its the simple things in life thats the best things in life.
This is THE best sales pitch from a guy who knows its craft to The big corporations, flawlessly executed and laying on the table a very clear message, even if it is a gamble, I'm all in.
Meh, it was only okay imo. I think this might have been the best scene in the entire movie. The opening scene of Shelby driving at Le Mans was also really cool though, I'll give them that, but the pacing didn't feel right to me overall. I think it would have benefitted from having more scenes with little or no dialogue.
Confidence is very powerful, that's true. However, a good leader knows not to only trust those people who show the most apparent confidence. Some people are very good at acting more confident than they really are, and people who act more confident than they really are cannot be trusted to actually know what they're doing or what they're talking about. Some people are also very confident without actually knowing what they're doing. A good leader will know how to identify those people who lack confidence but who are highly competent, or who have a lot of potential, and are able to inspire them to be more confident. They will also know that they need to have at least some people around them who are willing to be honest with them, and that means being honest when they are NOT confident about something. You can get very far with confidence. It's quite valuable, and it can be quite effective for being promoted over your peers, but the most successful leaders and most successful organizations are the ones where the leaders are smart enough to know that putting too high a value on apparent confidence is not what's best for their organization. They need honesty, they need nuance, and they need to be able to deal with uncertainty. Intelligence, honesty, truth, hard work, trust. These are all very important things as well, among others. Confidence is not everything, you fucking idiot.
@@Tbonyandsteak Agreed. He was actually right, and he was confident. Too many people nowadays don't care about the getting it right part. They just believe they must defend their idea no matter what, and don't care about facts.
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This movie was just outstanding from beginning and end, just puts everything in perspective on how racing was serious to these car manufactures....ferrari was worried and every right to be...just hated it for shelby and miles they meant alot to ford..miles deserved to win that by himself instead of crossing the finish line together...they cheated him out of that sole win he was the best driver and all alone in his own stratosphere that day and ford knew that and just wanted the other drivers to look.good instead of being embarassed by miles...
So many great performances. Tracy Letts (Henry Ford II) is such a master of minimalist acting. He conveys so much just by sitting there motionless, not looking at Shelby, asking one or two-word questions. Whoever did the casting for this film should just cast every movie from now on.
This movie definitely strayed from historical accuracy, because there's no way after this conversation that BeBe would have been in any position to interfere with Shelby and Miles. Shelby pretty much used Ford's loss to prove the point that "by committee" doesn't win races and that they lost only because they didn't trust Shelby. He walked in there as the man to be blamed and he dropped the biggest reverse Uno card in history.
agreed i had actually been reading up on the whole ford gt story and drove past my local theater that day later and saw the movie was in it, didnt even know it was a thing till i saw the sighn. went home, watched the trailer and saw it that night. 100% LOVED the film, its gotta be in the top 10 for me.
@@BlueLightning me too haha I had just watched a documentary on amazon about it. Then was reading a book about how Shelby became involved with Ford. Couple of weeks later the trailer pops up and I’m like “ It was meant to be…”
Watching this movie reminded me a lot of what I felt watching Once Upon A Time... In Hollywood. Idk why really, it might have been the cinematography or just the feel of the movie... but I definitely came out of watching the movie feeling the same way.
I'm not particularly motivated by cars (although I adore the 330 GTC!) or the related-movies, but I "stumbled" over this film, recently and was transfixed by the acting; an ensemble effort so accomplished that those in the background are as interesting to watch as the 2 principles, in this scene and others - 1st Class!
Love it.. My only wish is that my dad could have seen this movie... but maybe he didn't have to.. he was there in 65.. just watching history. RIP Dad.. I miss you.
I love it. Acknowledge the fails and then accentuate the positives or wins. Then pause and say YOU'RE WELCOME I've done this at work. Pick your moment and let it fly. Its awesome. They dont realize they're giving you praise for what has been accomplished.
... and this is the exact reason we all love Carroll Shelby. He stood his ground with Mr. Ford and didn't give an inch and in the end Mr. Ford respected him fur it!
This scene appeared in my recommendations a few months ago. I hadn't seen the movie and knew very little about it but this convinced me to watch it. Fantastic movie.
Massive respect to Enzo Ferrari. He fought against Punisher,Jason Bourne and Batman.
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take your upvote.. even though it's a year late.
first time i seen this comment and thing i had to think about it. Enzo is the goat to take on the dream team and not piss himself
well played sir.....very well played indeed....
Washed jason bourne and washed batman, enzo ferrari is on his peak
Thats a speech youll give when you have nothing to lose
More like when you have everything to lose.
@@JoRgEChavez-to2xd Man did literally bet his whole company on one guy
@@donttouchmycrowbar3452 That's not how it happened in real.
@@AbhishekSanyalTGV Well we are talking about the movie here
@@donttouchmycrowbar3452 Yeah man, I even thought at one point, to add that what you said was right if it's from the movie's perspective. I think I forgot.
218 mph in the mid -60s was akin to witchcraft. 6 decades later, that's still a mighty impressive speed.
I wonder what the reaction is like when porsche 917 clock at 260 mph. That's highest top speed in Le Mans back then.
The Peugot P88 #51 in 1988 went 251.65mph and holds the highest top speed ever at Le Mans...of course they maximized the turbo boost pressure, covered up the cooling inlets and brake ducts as much as possible to reduce drag, and nearly blew up the engine doing it. They weren't going to win the race as they spent well over 3 hours in the pits for repairs, and decided to send out Roger Dorchy and see how fast it would go. In 1990, 2 chicanes were added on the straight.
In reality, the GT40 didn't do 218 mph.
In 87 Bill Elliot's Thunderbird lapped 212 at Talledega. Probably was doing 225-227 down the back straight. They dont run them that fast anymore
@@Gurn_Blanston yeah, but telling Ford it did kept him from getting fired.
That was a perfect keep your job speech. He minimized his failures, highlighted his achievements and then shifted the blame without calling out anyone specifically.
That's how it's done. If he called people out directly he would just look like a whiner. Highlighted his achievements so his confidence didn't look like arrogance. I'm definitely taking a page from his book.
His Speech level must be very high
People used to know how to communicate and get their point across and speak with tact and intelligence. Not anymore.
He did throw the driver under the bus though
😂
The *balls* of that simple statement: "you're welcome". I love it.
He also knows, that whomsoever speaks next loses.
Knowing when not to speak is as important as speaking, even though Deuce tries to reclaim the advantage with his "There is only one man in charge..." line, deep down those who understand, know who won that duel.
I came to the comments for for exactly this
What would you have said? "Oh sorry I'll do better next time"? Lol might as well stand by your shit instead of backing off of it
HF II turns and looks at Shelby: what a stare.
@@Hugs_4_Bugs_ One of the execs should have spoken, taken some of the shame of the outcome, but they stood there fearing for their jobs. Instead, The Deuce had to speak.
I like the lack of music in this scene. The actors carry it.
Very good point and observation.
Great actors carry the rhythm or music of the script. Thats if it's a well written script too. You don't need music.
Check our Glenn Garry Glenn Ross. Or Meryl Streep in August Osage County. No music needed. Just the beauty of the rhythm.
Christoph Waltz in Inglorious Bastards is another on that comes to mind.
@@lugerardespinosa3765 Or christoph waltz in anything
Old school movie made in 2019. I enjoyed it.
Lol Matt Damon suxs
I love how pragmatic Ford is in this scene. Pay very close attention. He's legitimately asking Shelby these questions, not using his anger to impose authority. I loved this scene. Second only to Ford crying in the car.
Henry Ford junior would be shocked at the state of Ford today. They produce very few cars today and are about to destroy the company for ever.
Yes, this whole conversation wouldn’t have even happened had he not chosen to give him a chance to speak. He was already on track to fire Shelby, but he still gave him an opportunity to explain himself, bring a new perspective. And when Shelby did just that, he didn’t get angry at him for standing up to him. He listened.
@@bighands69 Because other than the Mustang cars don't sell anymore. Ford makes so many sales, I'd hardly say they went the wrong direction given the current market.
@@drunkhusband6257 plus they're already producing the F-150 Lightning. The factory is pushing them out and they're already on the road. They aren't even trying to sway over Cybertruck fanbois, yet they're winning them over just by having something tangible.
@@bighands69 the new bronco is phenomenal
I had the pleasure of briefly working with Shelby when I was a designer on the original Viper, he was one of the consultants on the project. A bonafide auto genius and truly a super nice man, his chili was great as well!
Thats dope af
The Viper's a beautiful car.
Expand on the bonafide auto genius, I would love to hear more
The old Vipers are the best looking vehicles to ever grace this planet
Thank you for sharing.
That boss did what a lot of bosses never do. Listens.
Did he now? Only after a verbal kick in the nuts
Most underrated comment!
Hence, why that "boss" is arguably the greatest industrial bussiness man in history.
At least in the movie, he half-assed the listening. They did get out of the way for a moment but then the guy puts the blonde jerk in charge
@@hal2467 wasn't that his father?
dont forget, at the end of the day, Shelby is a salesman. and a damned good one.
He was also basically the John Browning of modern race cars.
@@tigran914 That’s a good analogy!
he pretty much said what NEEDED TO BE SAID. NOT WHAT SHOULD BE SAID.
he was not the john browning of modern racecars thats completely fuckin ridiculous. if it's anyone it's colin chapman. i'm a proud american, but your analogy is bullshit
So good he'd sale snake oil salesmen. Remember Zmax?
"Even with all the extra weight" looks at employees doing nothing
"Even with the wrong driver" looks at BB
"Your Welcome!" Looks at HFT2
Damn the audacity of this man is insane
Audacity or confidence? Depends on whether you mean audacity in the positive or negative sense?
@@Gustav-vu5tj - And I think the Deuce actually recognized that Shelby had the balls to stand up to him, which gave Ford confidence to give Shelby the green light!
it's called Balls!
He had also actually won this thing before.....unlike anyone else in that room.
you're*
"We clocked 218mph down the Mulsanne straight, and in all his years of racing....Old man Ferrari ain't ever seen anything move that fast." Freaking EPIC
its Ol' Enzo aint ever see. i believe
@@azdawg88 It's ain't ever seen. I believe.
Yessss
Probably accurate, but not that meaingful - the Ferrari 330P3 did 200+mph, so the GT40 wasn't that much faster. Plus, Le Mans is all about handling. True, producing an engine unit that could match Ferrari was a BIG factor, but the GT40 would have won mostly because of superior aerodynamics, breaking and down force. These sports cars are "only" averaging about 110mph - they rarely get anywhere near top speed. They're not screaming around the track at 170 or 180mph like an F1 car would - a GT40 probably only surpasses 150mph once per lap, at Le Mans, on the long straight
Its also inaccurate. GP cars in the late 30s in large ovals absolutely went that fast.
Translation: if you want to win Le Mans, you need only to do two things: untie my hands, and don’t get in my way
Best explained.
2:05 Explanation- get that blonde jerk out of my way and away from my cars!
2:39 “You’re welcome.” 😊
Sounds like me, walking through the airport.
Exactly
FUCKING SHERLOCK HOLMES OVER HERE
You gotta trust a guy who take on the whole CIA, survived Mars, fight alien with ancient Chinese, genius with math and many many talents!
He does tend to go a bit stir crazy when he's been in hibernation for a few years. And keep him away from any airlocks.
So that is what he did with the million he won after beating Keddy KGB and the WSOP
Also wrote a song about sleeping with scottys girl
Or solved the math questions as janitor at MIT when no one else could, or act innocent but was actually a really good pickpocket. Or was a great imposter in Asgard.
I don't think Shelby did any of that.
Shelby spoke the truth: the Ford was faster. And he then put Mr Ford into an impossible spot of either abandoning the fastest road car ever - or let Shelby convince GM to take this to the finish line. Brilliant tactic.
GM wasn’t racing. Shelby originally wanted to use Chevy engines in Cobras but GM decided Cobras would cannibalize Corvette sales. Some early Cobras used Corvette radiators Shelby bought from Chevy dealers until GM ordered their dealers not to sell to Shelby.
To OP. 1. This scene *never happened* in reality, it was dramatized for the movie.
2. Ford was NEVER going to abandon the GT40 after just two attempts at LeMans. It was *widely known* you needed 2-3 attempts (sometimes more) before you finally win your first LeMans. It was also widely known Ferrari exhausted itself running in Formula 1, LeMans and sports cars at the same time, when they couldn't afford it (FIAT didn't purchase Ferrari until 1969 before then it was all Ferrari owned) meaning it was only a matter of time before Ford's gargantuan resources would make them win.
3. GM had *zero* intention of going endurance racing officially because they already were the largest company in the world at this time. Ford only did it to attract more young people to buy their cars.
4. GM *already* had a sports car racing program with Lola (British manufacturer) which was killing it in Can-Am (Group 7 racing) as well as the promising McLaren outfit (which *dominated CanAm with Chevrolet engines for 5 years straight).
5. The Ford GT (later GT40) was *never* a road car. It was devised for *racing* first and foremost. The MkI, MkII and MKIV versions *only* saw racing. A few MkIII road cars were made. In fact only *13 of them* . That is all. Guess what? The MkIII roadcar did NOT have the 7,0 liter big block V8 of the MkII and MkIV racing cars but had a 4,7 liter smallblock V8 detuned to 310hp.
Never trust a Hollywood movie to tell you the truth about history.
@@wezmarauder2754 I was wondering about Fiat buying Ferrari in the movie, that Ferrari only agreed to meet with Ford to increase Fiat’s offer. As I remember it, Enzo was set to sign Ford’s deal but wanted to keep control of his racing division, which Ford would gain control of. Ford wouldn’t back down, so Enzo simply got up and left the meeting to go get lunch. All the work the Ford lawyers had done was for nothing, and it was after that that Henry Ford II ordered Ford to build a race car that would beat Ferrari at Le Mans. I believe that was in 1963, Shelby came on with Ken Miles in 1965 after the first failed attempt in 1964, and they won in 1966. The movie skips the first attempt and brings in Carroll Shelby and Ken Miles from the start.
@@bwtv147 Yep, classic Generic Motors, poor sports about everything! 🤣
@@ChrisJones-gx7fc - That was an error in the movie showing the newspaper heading saying Fiat Bought Ferrari - that didn't happen until several years later in 1969.
The thing about this movie and then looking back further into the history of racing that shocked me was the lack of safety standards and protection for these drivers. Here it was bad enough - no roll cages, cement walls etc - but a generation earlier, I was like - leather helmets? Open-topped cars? You expected several drivers to be killed in every race. Le Mans was an especially lethal track.
My father used to race motorcyles, which are much more dangerous, but the tracks I went to with him in the 90s had sandtraps, bales of hay, or areas where you could just drive straight off into the field. He did crash many times over the years, he was at races where people died, and he broke enough bones, but most of the time when he went down he threw the bike away from himself and just slid along, because the biggest danger for those guys is the bike itself.
There was also a two-year period in the 70s when he was at his best where he didn't fall down once. He came in first in his last big race in 1980, when he was 27-28.
He still said it was painful watching the bike spin and snap parts off because he was thinking, "That's $300, that's $500, that's $1000" etc. LOL
Because the earliest days - everything was new and were just learning really. And as simple as some of these changes may seem - they were at the times actually nearly impossible or unknown. They didn't manage to get a racing helmet for car races settled to the 50's because the needs of a driver racing cars and motorcycles are different. Cement walls were in some cases better than the open guard rails that led to in some cases decapitations, it's only in the last decade or so that NASCAR at least has and uses on it's track the 'safer barrier' because they finally figured out a way to make a durable enough wall that can absorb some more energy. The Hans Device wasn't mandatory till after Senior's wreck because there were older drivers like him that wanted to be able to turn their head essentially and had been through a ton of horrific accidents - till the one that seems mundane by comparison was the exact wrong things coming together, and even then it wasn't till another accident later that year and a months long investigation in to seniors they made them wear it. To say nothing of testing new things because what good is a device that keeps you fixed in space to avoid head injuries if it ends up trapping you in a upside-down car that's on fire?
Drivers today, back then, etc - they know every time they go on the track it's a risk. And it always will be because there are some things you just can't plan for, or they haven't found a way to prevent, such as a car bursting in to flames. Some of these safety things could always fail and the result is the same as if it were never there. While over time they have done what they can to make the sports safer - end of the day, there was an understanding that you knew the risks and chose to get in the car.
And then there was Group B rally, 600hp single use engine, lightweight composite body panels, tiny wheelbase and a plastic "rollcage" all raced on a narrow dirt road in the middle of the woods/mountains with spectators running onto the track to get a better view.
They were real men in that era. Today we are dominated by safety and people are too scared to do anything.
It is getting to the point people will be scared to walk out their front door. Correct that people are too scared as they walk around with cloth on their faces.
@bighand69... I see you either just reached puberty, or are unfamiliar with the term, keyboard warrior...LOL!
Please, regale us with your own personal stories of daring and adventure....
@@codymoe4986 You first, being the judge of all things heroic and courageous. Oversensitive little pussy that you are.
Matt was channeling Tommy Lee Jones pretty heavily.
I definitely see that.
I’ve been waiting for someone to call that out. TLJ impersonation all the way
Wow Tommy Lee Jones was the first thing I thought of when Damon started talking
that's exactly who I heard, it was weird.. knowing full well it wasn't him, but it sure sounded like he was right there.
I was thinking precisely of the scene from No Country For Old Men at the end when Tommy Lee Jones' character was talking about his dreams
I love how Ford II never turns his head until just the right moment. That’s when you knew Shelby had him. Excellent.
@Joe Bloggs what was it?
@Joe Bloggs You're talking about his grandfather.
**turns head**
"You're fired!"
...plus the silence that makes you hear the ticking of the clock. :)
That's called theatrics, I'm sure in reality this meeting was boring as hell.
The angry boss patiently and quietly allows Shelby to give his side of the story, without interrupting. Probably the most unrealistic scene from anything ever.
I've had an angry boss call me on the carpet. He asked me why I didn't come to him about the issue. I told him he never made himself approachable or even said hello to me. Afterward, he made sure to engage with me in small but significant ways. I had great respect for his ability to see through the BS. I know, not a common occurrence.
Not when the boss has staked a record amount of money on essentially one man’s assurance he can achieve an incredibly difficult thing that’s never been achieved or even attempted before by any American car company.
Not really. Rare? yes. Unrealistic? Not really. Ive been in that position before (Shelby's) and i was just as blunt as Shelby was.
"Yes this was wrong, Yes this failed, Yes that was the wrong way to do that."
Followed by
"But i notifed X about the problem 13 months ago, Handed X a report outlining the problem 10 months ago that i made on my own time with what i found out about the problem on my own, that i can easily print for you right now to look at, yet X denied any problem existed. So yes i did things the wrong way, because i had to do it the wrong way as the 'correct' was was literally impossible to do so long as the problem continues to exist, and im more than willing to show you exactly why it cant be done the right way here and now."
Haha, so true in today's world where nobody listens, but 50 years ago this was prob true
@@StaticTremor - HFII already spent huge sums of money well before Shelby even entered the picture. Only after the Brits failed to make a reliable, fast, racing vehicle did the Deuce pull it out of their hands and give it to Shelby American. Shelby's men, Kar Kraft and Holman Moody all contributed to make it work!
I love that Shelby takes away much of The Deuce's ammunition by acknowledging where they had legitimate problems. By bringing up these negatives, he had the opportunity to reframe them and take away their power in this discussion. Impressive skills at negotiating in a highly stressful situation.
''We don't even know if the paintjob will last 24 hours..'' and he's not exaggerating.
These 24 hrs endurance races are no joke, specially back in the day.
Or even now, I remember Nissan in 2015. Good GOD!
Tesla paint would not last 24 hours
Now, they are 24 hour sprint races. No holding back at any time.
"In fact, the only thing that didn't break was the brakes." Ironic foreshadowing?
It’s the same 24 hours now as it was then. Not a minute longer, or shorter.
He says "Expand" and it just speaks volumes on his entire personality.
how
@@boah1668 Good question....it shows a man who brooks no bullcrap, has little time for it, but if you have something meaningful to say, well, he wants you to "expand"....he is a man of few words and a force not to be trifled with, and Shelby is forthright with him on having too many chiefs as the primary reason for the LeMans debacle, which Ford, his interest piqued, acknowledges with an expand, but he is not fully won over yet, and needs him to, well, expand.
@@hellogoodbye4061 thats some really deep shit but i guess i agree with ya
@@boah1668 A man of few words often says so much....rewatch when he says "Did we?"....and when he finally looks over at him, acknowledging his very existence....every word, every movement, every nuance, the manner in which he sat stoic and motionless when Shelby attempts a joke, has purpose.....how the actor who played this role of Ford was not nominated for a best supporting actor Oscar is beyond me.
@@hellogoodbye4061
Tracy Letts. He was great as Henry Ford the II
For those who haven't saw this movie, don't make the mistake of thinking you have to be a fan of racing to enjoy it. You don't. Awesome movie.
Agree! One of the best parts was the epic battle between Bruce Wayne and Jason Bourne...classic!
@@billyboblillybob344 HA!! They hashed it out over a cold pop afterwards!!
100% true. I don't know shit about cars, and this is one of my fav movies of the decade.
For real. Im not into racing but man was I glued to my seat!
Totally! I'm not a car person at all but this is one of my favourite movies.
1:08 I’m high as shit and I imagined Matt Damon growing uncontrollably engulfing everyone in the office when Ford said expand 😂
Shelby knew that no matter what happened in that meeting, when he walked out of there he would still be Carroll Shelby.
yep. that is true at anything in life. the guy who has got nothing to lose is the guy who knows no limits...
@@peterkater4292 u miss the point if u thinks thats around "having nothing to lose" its about self confidence
@@thomasbummer4361 ever considered the fact that "having nothing to loose" could precisely fuel up someone's self confidence to the point it sets you on the upright winning position?
@@peterkater4292 yes, could. but that's not what the OP meant nor what happened in this scene. And a confident man also does not need this as a boost.
Also its not real self-confidence then.
@@thomasbummer4361 Why couldn't a "confident man" make use of a situational "boost" of his self confidence?
Starting this thread, someone rightfully wrote "Shelby knew (... ) he would still be Carroll Shelby".
That doesn't mean he wasn't already self confident. He indeed used the situation as a "boost of confidence" to face Henry Ford's questions (or "attacks" as a matter of fact) with reinforced strength.
All of which is genuinely depicted in the movie by the OP.
That is how you make your point. You don't scream, yell or raise hell. You talk to the other guy, you admit what's wrong, you say what is right and you explain how to make it all work. Now it is the other guys fault if he doesn't listen.
That's if the other guy ain't screaming at you
People usually raise their voice to override other people while trying to get their point across. If the other person you're talking to is just sitting there and actually listens, people rarely scream.
That's the problem of the whole world basically
Because with that logic almost anything can be solved too bad though 😥😥😥
@Arachnotron It would probably help any ladies reading your comment if you clarified that "mansplaining" means a man explaining things.
@Arachnotron you mean rational and logical *women*
the greatest "you're welcome" in movie history. Matt Damon has the gift of delivery
!bang!
I love that there is no music in this scene, it just allows the actors the chance to do their job. The people behind the camera are true storytellers.
Love the choice of having him say “expand” instead of “explain”.
Explain = “I don’t understand your point, and would like you to clarify your reasoning.”
Expand = “I think I understand your point, and would like to see if you arrived at the same conclusion I have.”
Underrated comment.
I thought he said expound but the subtitle did say expand.
idk larry king used to say 'expand' a lot and he didn't understand jack
@@victorkong82 i kinda agree. Its not necessarily about what's been described above. Explain is to go back over what they have said, possibly in more specific detail. Expand is to ask someone to talk further and broaden their points, bring in wider detail rather than deeper detail.
Its why Larry King used expand. He wanted people to give a good general overview, because the viewer likely won't understand deep detail anyways.
Ford doesn't want Shelby to explain himself beyond what's just been said. He doesn't want detail further on why it failed. He wants expansion, move past why we failed and broaden, to how we make sure it doesn't happen again
I don’t think that Ford understood what Shelby was getting at, he understood what he was saying but he needed Shelby to finish his point or “expand” on it. Ford wasn’t a genius or even very good at his job, he just happened to be a Ford. I think it shows that Ford isn’t an idiot but that he isn’t thinking on the level of Shelby because Shelby is just far more experienced in the world of racing.
"...we're faster than he is... "' goosebumps
Right love it!
.......... *EXPAND*
@@youngrios *straight face intensifies* 😑
Right on!!!!
Did you feel a tingle down your leg?
What a scene! It is hard to come by such great acting where no music required, no body movements required and just 1 man talking and in the end, its nothing but a masterpiece delivery.
he knew his chances of getting fired was extremely high. he was pressed to the wall. when you give-up the love towards your cravings and ego, also your fear of failure ; your mind becomes crystal clear in what you want to say - i too was in this position once and the entire universe conspired to put it right. never looked back since then
Mr Ford, don’t you know that I grew potatoes on Mars?? I can win this race.
Also modifying Rocket so it can rendezvous to a space ship in space
I believe the phrase you're looking for is, he scienced the absolute shit out of it.
“I’ve traveled faster than anyone in the history of space travel!”
and after a Robin Williams pep talk by a duck pond, he can do anything
Carroll Shelby: Race Pirate
"Well, the good news, as i see it, is that even with extra weight..."
*Looks behind at the 'extra weights'
The real extra weight was holding the red folder in front of him.
Looks at the “committee”. 🤣🤣🤣
This scene is amazing.
Shelby was a Texan. This accent is really accurate for an old Texas city dude (I’m a Texan who hangs with old dudes). Most “southern” Texas accents you hear in movies are garbage. Incredible voice acting.
He probably did research on the tile and ended up hanging with someone of that nature. Actually studied the interaction(s).
This was such a good movie. I'm a corporate stooge and this movie very accurately displays how things go in the corporate world. You can have a great idea, everyone signs off on it, but because VP of ballsack said "no" the entire thing can be canned indefinitely until he comes up with his own version to take the credit of having the idea in the first place. I loved this movie to that regard. Between the CEO and his VPs & marketing, it was just terrific. I don't know fuck all about cars though. It was loud as hell in theaters which was great.
Gotta say though, that's some pretty good acting there, not only by Matt Damon, but Tracy Lette - despite only having to essentially sit in that chair - you could just feel the sharp tension and anger that he was portraying. Fantasdtic scene.
Totally agree. He has so much presence. Perfectly cast as H.F.2nd. Such a great scene.
If you haven't seen the movie, go watch it. It's super entertaining and the acting is absolutely superb. Loved it start to finish. :-)
Letter is an outstanding actor, the scene where he breaks down in the car after Shelby drives him through a lap...!!! Brilliant.
@@danieldrinkwalter2393 Best part of the film. Love it!
Spot on! As they say acting is reacting.
I would say that was a good display of confidence. And that's all it takes to win a lot of battles. Over.
And a really big stick.
@Craig Tucker the thing is he dident win he did show great potential thou that why he went with the bad then the good news
How ironic
10-4 on that Chief roger roger
Over what
If you listen to Shelby tell the story most all at ford had it in for him, Iacocca a true innovator had great faith in him and really put his career on the line.
Yet Shelby is on record having said he respected HFII tremendously and gives him much credit for saving Ford Motor Company. He went on to say The Deuce always treated him fairly and with respect. Iacocca became a strong supporter of Shelby too.
Everyone used to think Shelby was a car guy. Yes that is true. But after this movie and matt's character play of him , we see that he was also a business guy. He knew people and knew how to work them into his favor.
" youre welcome."
the balls mr. Shelby had XD i imagine him saying that irl
He probably did IRL knowing the man.
The ball of tungsten, not steel but tungsten
Or he knew he could get another good job tomorrow if he got fired and just told the old man what is needed for victory that he craved as much as the old man.
@@VersusARCH this is all for dramatic purposes mind you. But if this is based on an actual conversation, Shelby wasn't afraid to say what he needed to say because he had told them from the very start what was needed, and pointed out what were the actual reasons for losing. Plus he knew it would be stroking ford's ego to give him what he needed to beat Ferrari.
He said your welcome meaning that if you don't like what I am doing to help you then there are others out there that will want his help and appreciate it as well and let him do his job with out trying to control him. Carroll Shelby is a guy that understands what Ford wants and knows they want to beat Ferrari and he is going to do everything in his powers to help but when the exicutives start to get in the way and call all the shots is what keeps Mr. Shelby from doing his job.
Shelby's speech to Mr Ford reminds me of Niki Lauda's speech to Enzo Ferrari, when Lauda tells him his cars are shit. Ford listened to Shelby and Enzo listened to Lauda, all 4 men met great success.
I always thought that the scene in Rush where Daniel Bruhl tells the Ferrari people that their car is a sh*box was fake until I saw a documentary where Niki Lauda confirmed that he did say it.
@@trevormoses5061 Yeah, and he knew he had to back up his words in a hurry or Enzo would blacklist his ass.
Lauda was one of few drivers amongst themselves.
Arrogant yes, bordering on completely dislikable, probably, but in the end they knew beyond a doubt ol boy could drive a car. So they went with it.
The greatest tragedy in f1 is that Niki lauda only won 3 championships. The 76 championship was his by right until the freak accident caused him to miss races, and he only lost by 1 point after he refused to race in torrential rain in Japan. He came straight back next year in 77 winning the wdc. He’s already a legend and one of the greatest race car drivers ever but if had 4 world championships he would be in all top 5 lists.
@@cereal-killer4455 Lewis Hamilton is the 🐐. Thats all.
Love the subtle addition of the clock ticking to heighten the tension and mood
Hadn't heard that . good catch.
Wikipedia about Shelby American: czcams.com/video/rmsy5DP8dx0/video.html
I met Mr. Shelby back in the late eighties when I worked in the executive dining room at Chrysler. Nice guy got his autograph.
Just a terrific cast all the way around. I was particularly impressed with Tracy Letts portraying of Henry Ford II.
He's a fantastic actor, yes.
And make no mistake, by all accounts on written record, Henry Ford II was a colossal prick, so this performance deserves all the kudos
@@ConnorDamewood I have had the misfortune to encounter a few Presidents and VP’s of large multinationals, they all shared that particular trait with Ford Jnr. Wasn’t one of ‘em I’d have pissed on if they were on fire.
I love this scene so much. It starts out with the implication Shelby will get fired after he leaves the room and as the scene unfolds he has the confidence to tell Ford everything that went wrong from his end and how the people who work directly under Ford sabotaged his progress because it wasn’t the Ford way. After that he turns the whole conversation into saying everything went right for what they wanted to do and that was to scare Ferrari and now he has Ford now thinking he’s right and I can’t fire him after he said that and knowing he’s the only guy to get the job done. Just brilliantly done.
Shelby was not a Ford employee.
@@thethirdman225 true, Shelby was a contractor. And you can fire contractors.
@@andrewolson5471 Sure but Shelby was bargaining from a position of strength. Naturally he wanted to be running Ford’s racing program but he had other business interests building Cobras. As one who is currently bargaining from a position of strength after working for the man for so long, I can tell you it makes a big difference when people start talking tough.
@@thethirdman225 also a valid point.
Tracy Letts doesnt get the recognition he rightly deserves for his perfomance as Ford Jr.
One of the highlight of the movie.
@Stephanlabize - He was Ford the II, not Ford Junior.
@@Loulovesspeed ohhh eat a dick. It is the same FFS.
@@Stephanlabize - Well, Smartass, you're even dumber than you sound! Henry Ford I was the Deuce's Grandfather, NOT his Father! Henry Ford II was the son of Edsel Ford. You aren't Junior unless you are named after your FATHER. You would do well to get your shit together before you start slinging it around!! Some good news though. Your Proctologist called...He found your head! Lol ES&D
Watched this clip several times, and recently saw the movie.
This never gets old.
when batman, punisher and jason bourne work together to tackle ferrari dominance..
nerd.
Where the hell is Batman lmao
@@micTaconator he's not in this scene but Christian Bale is who he's referring to.
@@coolcosmic I bet you live a sour life.
Wait wait wait...so you're telling me...that...DC and Marvel collaborated...nothing bad happened, and the evil villain Ferrari was vanquished? Ok, well, Batman died, but that's been coming for a while. 🤪🇺🇸👍🇺🇸
“The only thing that didn’t break was the brakes”. Slide past me on my first watch but I see what you did.
If it slid past you clearly it hadn't stopped fast enough.
Did that actually happen? The breaks didn't break?
@@MausOfTheHouse No. The BRAKES didn’t break. Play on words.
@@jaywhite1850 I know that it's a play of words, but I'm asking about reality, outside the movie.
@@MausOfTheHouse it doesn't, cause the wrong driver can't drive good enough until the brake overheat.
Actually it did break mostly
Thanks for the subtitles really needed them, appreciate it...
In service, I watched a Commanding General surprise his base's front gate post. By that week's end, all posts had a medium fridgerator and water bubbler, reclining chair, and thick mat for standing during long shifts. Security improved almost overnight. Never speak with supervisors. Always get your insight from the guys on the ground.
One rule with machinery, listen too it's engineer!
Not just that, but Shelby was a race car driver in his own right, and he had raced Le Mans before. Because of his heart condition he couldn't race anymore, but he knew what he was talking about.
@@andmicbro1 That's right he was. Most engineers in the field were former racers.
You need to work on your grammar.
@@ericmueser6950 don’t be that guy Eric, never be that guy.
@@ericmueser6950 - spelling, not grammar.
This was a defining moment for Shelby. When you face defining moments in life this is how they are supposed to be handled
Sure...because this is a documentary and not a Hollywood scripted movie that stretches facts to the breaking point...
I heard that the GT40 actually got up 230+.
That's insane.
On the oval track they could in testing but the Mulsanne Straight you get to about 220 then U have a 45 degree hairpin where you're on the brakes hard braking from 300 yards away and drop back to first gear and go around it at 40 mph it can be really hard on the whole car and it's an endurance race you have to be careful.
Highest officially timed speed was on the Mulsanne Straight and it was 216 mph. People constantly try to say it was faster but not so in its racing trim. Still, it was the second car to break 200 mph at Le Mans so that was an incredible speed for the time!
Matt Damon's best acting yet was this movie. In fact I really did never care much for him as an actor until this movie, but hes gold here as Shelby.
I am happy Matt Damon is still working in excellent movies like this, The Martian and Oppenheimer.
He is one of my favourite actors, likable and humble person too
Likable actor - though he said he'd move to Australia if Trump was elected. He didn't. Typical brainless Actor.
AMAZED they didn’t throw in a “I’ve already won this race. As a driver and a manufacturer, like yourself. And all I had then was one of your engines.”
absolutely accurate. It would be a powerful link to history.
my guess is they wanted to focus more on Ferrari going bankrupt so they could introduce the next scenes in a more logical way...
Porsche(the most successful car manufacturer in Le Mans) was in near bankruptcy state and they put everything on the line with their 917 car to win their first Le Mans title in 1970 and won the most Le Mans titles than any car manufacturer.
Ford on the other hand they have the money and to make a race car from scratch and if they fail they could still start over easily without putting the company in bankruptcy.
They should make a movie about Porsche rise in Le Mans
@@ramal5708 you make a fair point and I’d love to see a Porsche movie. Really any Le Mans or otherwise racing movie. I still like Days of Thunder for crying out loud.
The glint of glory here was money doesn’t win races, people do. Which is why Porsche and Shelby won. A lot. The nod to Ford here is they beat all their opponents in THEIR backyard. Which would be like Porsche selling 10 million cheap, reliable, average sedans for the masses which dominated in NASCAR.
@@HotRodsnHueys Couldn't agree more with you guys. There is indeed a reason why the "Golden Age" of racing is called like that.
I am not that old, but I definitely can't say I'm looking forward to see for myself what the "future" of automotive has for us.
Maybe shelby didnt ever say it
"Infact, the only thing that didn't break was the brakes. Hell, we don't even know if the paint job will last the whole 24 hours!"
Spoken like a true gear head. I love it.
This is a great scene, and Matt kills it
And where was Enzo: in an office, glowering in his chair, asking a builder why he shouldn't be fired. For the first time.
Lol no. He was asking his engineers "What did Surtees say about his new F1 car?"
You're not talking about Mafia 3, are you?
@@johntaylor7859 No, Enzo Ferrari
@@theerarkh Funnily enough, Enzo's relationship with Surtees completely turned after his accident with Lola at the end of 1965. There is a strong argument to be made that Ferrari's internal politics imploding and Surtees quitting the team on the eve of the 24 hours of Le Mans when he found out Ferrari had demoted him to their second car was a big factor in why Ferrari lost both the F1 and World Sportscar championships in 1966, and why Ford ended up beating them at Le Mans.
Porsche(the most successful car manufacturer in Le Mans) was in near bankruptcy state and they put everything on the line with their 917 car to win their first Le Mans title in 1970 and won the most Le Mans titles than any car manufacturer.
Ford on the other hand they have the money and to make a race car from scratch and if they fail they could still start over easily without putting the company in bankruptcy.
They should make a movie about Porsche rise in Le Mans
I lasted 4 years in upper management before choosing early retirement. The stench of corporate suck ups, ball cradling and sycophantic ankle grabbing was nauseating beyond endurance. Upper management spends 80% of their time polishing knee pads while trying to figure out what gets the boss hard. A sound plan and decisive actions are avoided like a plugged up toilet at a rest stop.
My company spends about 20% of what it should spend on IT but the IT director will never tell management this.
@@maxbrazil3712 The Federal $7,500 subsidy is tax credit to the end consumer NOT Tesla. Telsa just posted 1 Billion in Net income for the 2nd quarter 2021. Educate yourself.
Do you know why? Because too many good people retire leaving the rest of us to deal with the professional “optics” people.
@@maxbrazil3712 makes me want to go buy an old MACK truck with a 2 stroke detroit 2 stick trans and an air starter. Its the simple things in life thats the best things in life.
That was disturbingly and hilariously described. 👀😅
This is THE best sales pitch from a guy who knows its craft to The big corporations, flawlessly executed and laying on the table a very clear message, even if it is a gamble, I'm all in.
Damn, Matt is such a good actor! He portrayed nervousness excellently!
To anyone who just happened to stumble on a random clip from this film, hasn’t watched it and is debating whether it’s worth it, I promise you, it is.
Me.
Well shit, fine, I'll do it
Okay. I'm in
If you want the short version, watch The Grand Tour. James May sums it up!
Meh, it was only okay imo. I think this might have been the best scene in the entire movie. The opening scene of Shelby driving at Le Mans was also really cool though, I'll give them that, but the pacing didn't feel right to me overall. I think it would have benefitted from having more scenes with little or no dialogue.
Confidence is everything. Object lesson right there.
Confidence is very powerful, that's true. However, a good leader knows not to only trust those people who show the most apparent confidence. Some people are very good at acting more confident than they really are, and people who act more confident than they really are cannot be trusted to actually know what they're doing or what they're talking about. Some people are also very confident without actually knowing what they're doing. A good leader will know how to identify those people who lack confidence but who are highly competent, or who have a lot of potential, and are able to inspire them to be more confident. They will also know that they need to have at least some people around them who are willing to be honest with them, and that means being honest when they are NOT confident about something. You can get very far with confidence. It's quite valuable, and it can be quite effective for being promoted over your peers, but the most successful leaders and most successful organizations are the ones where the leaders are smart enough to know that putting too high a value on apparent confidence is not what's best for their organization. They need honesty, they need nuance, and they need to be able to deal with uncertainty.
Intelligence, honesty, truth, hard work, trust. These are all very important things as well, among others. Confidence is not everything, you fucking idiot.
Confidence is nothing without knowledge, Shelby had that.
@@Tbonyandsteak Agreed. He was actually right, and he was confident. Too many people nowadays don't care about the getting it right part. They just believe they must defend their idea no matter what, and don't care about facts.
Confidence can easily turn to arrogance though. It's all about how you sell it and knowing what you're talking about
Only if you're in the presence of people who are confident in themselves. If not, they will despise you for it.
Great dialogue, great acting, great movie! 👍❤️
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“In fact, the only thing that didn’t break was the brakes.” 😆😆😆
break
@@marks6663 thanks, fixed 😊
@@marks6663 depends. The way he said it it is "brake"... thats the joke.
I heard that part as well.
Always found it cool how they paint Ford in both the best and worst light, very balanced.
As a flawed, multi-layered human being. It really does come through.
This movie was just outstanding from beginning and end, just puts everything in perspective on how racing was serious to these car manufactures....ferrari was worried and every right to be...just hated it for shelby and miles they meant alot to ford..miles deserved to win that by himself instead of crossing the finish line together...they cheated him out of that sole win he was the best driver and all alone in his own stratosphere that day and ford knew that and just wanted the other drivers to look.good instead of being embarassed by miles...
So many great performances.
Tracy Letts (Henry Ford II) is such a master of minimalist acting. He conveys so much just by sitting there motionless, not looking at Shelby, asking one or two-word questions. Whoever did the casting for this film should just cast every movie from now on.
Mr Ford: Its not your fault
Shelby: I know
Mr Ford: No...Its not your fault...
The timing for the You're Welcome was sublime
Loved this movie. Seeing it in theaters was truly a great cinematic experience.
Thanks for cutting it off there, I have yet to see the movie but after watching this I'll see it
"you're welcome." What a rare guy
Spoken like a true Texan
You're welcome. 🤠👍
LoL. From Boston!
Shelby knew what he wanted and wasn't afraid to say it.
When you have a guy from Boston playing a Texan-that usually means GTFO of that person's way.
@@289cobra9 Shelby the real person was a Texan.
@@phillip_iv_planetking6354
Really? Thanks Sherlock Holmes!
I've only been a Shelby fan since 1976.
That "YOU'RE WELCOME" slap on the chops gets me every time I watch this movie.😂😂😂😂😂
This movie definitely strayed from historical accuracy, because there's no way after this conversation that BeBe would have been in any position to interfere with Shelby and Miles. Shelby pretty much used Ford's loss to prove the point that "by committee" doesn't win races and that they lost only because they didn't trust Shelby. He walked in there as the man to be blamed and he dropped the biggest reverse Uno card in history.
In reality Ken was actually the racer and they lost due to faulty transmission. No one in Ford was stupid enough to bench Ken
The most passionate film I've ever seen in my life please Hollywood make more such kinds of films
This movie was an absolute amazing funtime to watch in the cinema.
The car noises alone makes me give it a 10/10.
agreed i had actually been reading up on the whole ford gt story and drove past my local theater that day later and saw the movie was in it, didnt even know it was a thing till i saw the sighn. went home, watched the trailer and saw it that night. 100% LOVED the film, its gotta be in the top 10 for me.
@@BlueLightning me too haha I had just watched a documentary on amazon about it. Then was reading a book about how Shelby became involved with Ford. Couple of weeks later the trailer pops up and I’m like “ It was meant to be…”
Watching this movie reminded me a lot of what I felt watching Once Upon A Time... In Hollywood.
Idk why really, it might have been the cinematography or just the feel of the movie... but I definitely came out of watching the movie feeling the same way.
I'm not particularly motivated by cars (although I adore the 330 GTC!) or the related-movies, but I "stumbled" over this film, recently and was transfixed by the acting; an ensemble effort so accomplished that those in the background are as interesting to watch as the 2 principles, in this scene and others - 1st Class!
Literally every time I see him in this movie I want to punch Leo right in his face.
I appreciate the uploader for not rupturing my eardrums with a loud intro
Can we all take a second to realize how good of a character actor Jon Bernthal is ? The man does it allll lol
There are no small roles. Only small actors.
Love it..
My only wish is that my dad could have seen this movie... but maybe he didn't have to.. he was there in 65.. just watching history.
RIP Dad.. I miss you.
"I’ve searched all the parks in all the cities and found no statues of committees" - G. K. Chesterton
This scene is a masterclass in editing dynamics.
I love it. Acknowledge the fails and then accentuate the positives or wins. Then pause and say YOU'RE WELCOME
I've done this at work. Pick your moment and let it fly. Its awesome. They dont realize they're giving you praise for what has been accomplished.
Carol was a character. "You're welcome"😆
"We are gonna have to science the shit out of this."
FvF and Rush are my two favorite car racing movies. Interesting stories, compelling characters, and excellent race sequences.
Watched Rush again the other night. Cool flick.
I got chills at how good this scene is. Moneyball does it also. How?
He pushed the right buttons
The only guy who made it possible for Ford to make cars that are fast and drive properly. Legendary.
... and this is the exact reason we all love Carroll Shelby. He stood his ground with Mr. Ford and didn't give an inch and in the end Mr. Ford respected him fur it!
That is why the best fords are all called “shelbys”
@@ghettomechanicllc3070 I thought the best Fords were called Ford.
love how he turns to look at the lawyers/executives as he's saying 'even with all the extra weight', basically calling them useless
It's very symbolic too . . extra weight is slows you down in a race.
This scene appeared in my recommendations a few months ago. I hadn't seen the movie and knew very little about it but this convinced me to watch it. Fantastic movie.