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  • @macewindu3492
    @macewindu3492 Před rokem +4724

    The reason dwarves use axes is because elves live in trees

    • @hattersmadness4701
      @hattersmadness4701 Před rokem +337

      That makes sense since they would need wood to run their forges.

    • @bdpickett
      @bdpickett Před rokem +320

      @@hattersmadness4701 Thus, the endless rivalry was born.

    • @Archimedes.5000
      @Archimedes.5000 Před rokem +18

      Why aren't they using napalm then

    • @summer7603
      @summer7603 Před rokem +82

      Well Axes are good tools and a weapon too that uses less metal

    • @joshuayow4653
      @joshuayow4653 Před rokem +43

      Never seen the show. Now I'm not going to watch it.

  • @petery6432
    @petery6432 Před rokem +1847

    This is probably the most calm you will ever see Shad when he's reviewing Rings of Power.

    • @cenedrilbUild
      @cenedrilbUild Před rokem +5

      im sooo much into armor rn (feel free to check me out, lot of effort haha:)
      But its soooo cool that an expert like u shows his opinion and so on...
      Would be an honor if u review my selfmade one as well...

    • @archangel2781
      @archangel2781 Před rokem +73

      I wish Shad was also upset to see this series erase Westmen from our own story. The new film "The Woman King" correctly shows only African people, but all of our history and fantasy is being rewritten to exculde the people who created these stories. The entertainment industry is viciously antiwhite.

    • @grass-touched
      @grass-touched Před rokem +44

      @@archangel2781 as well as making 50+% of all knights and warriors female
      I mean
      Geneticly speaking that is stupid
      5 to 15% is fine as there are strong women that can be better at fighting
      But 50+% makes very little sense unless they can use magic better but they can't and they aren't mages
      They are just knights
      Edit: if you don't see why it's stupid well 8 d9nt want to say this and no feminist should read this because it m8ght fuel there reason for all men should due but men are slightly more disposable because one of us can impregnate multiple women but one women can only have 1 (or multiple if it's twins) each 8 to 10 months
      And also it's just a fact guys have more strength because of testosterone that we have (also in GOT they have this Roman army that has legit no balls since they cut them of at the age of 5 to stop reproduction but that's also dum since it stops the production of testosterone making them weak)
      But that's why it's just not smart as well as some things like when it comes to war more guys are gonna join because of testosterone telling us to be more competitive and also we literally have generations of warriors in are blood that has altered are brain to like stuff that involves war and want to be a part of it and defend what we like (it's like when we are children and have tiny tank hot wheels)
      And this alteration has changed it so we are more desensitized to it
      And women altho some I know are more competitive just don't have that raw strength that guys have
      And it would take more up keep to have them I'm an army due to periods
      So they might have to remove that body part from them in order to keep them on the army wich is something that would very much happen and has happened before
      I know this isn't good evidence but it is somewhat based off of real life
      (Black widow I'm marvel and there team of spies they remove that body part in order to be a better spy this does in fact happen irl less so but it still does happen)
      I am in no way hating on females
      But I am 1000% hating on the people who made this for trying to reflect our world and create a fake equality because all they are doing is going against the creator of these top tier books for there fake equality
      Because this is just stupid
      Call me a misogynist if you think that but im not
      I gave you facts that's say it's just plain stupid
      Also men and women
      ARENT made to be equal
      It's literally impossible because women can do things men can't a a men can do things that women can't
      Men and women are made to be better at different tasks that help the others lack of it
      We are made to be dependent on each other
      Because without the other things will go to shit
      And the last thing I have to say is more personal
      I think I may be abit of a misogynist but that's because so many fucking women have told me to die straight into may face because I'm a guy
      So it's natrual to expect other to do the same
      I'm not saying I hate all women but the ones who believe astrology and ones who are extreme feminists I truly hate because they never hear what others are saying and never truly strive for equality because if they did it wouldn't be women and children first it would be children and fend for your self
      And those type of women are just assholes you know it and so do i

    • @brianfuller757
      @brianfuller757 Před rokem

      Definitely.

    • @archangel2781
      @archangel2781 Před rokem

      @@grass-touched Well, that's the definition of "diversity". "Diversity" means to get rid of white people, particularly white men. It is an antiwhite concept that is meant to moralize the infliction of harm on Westernkind.

  • @Skyblade12
    @Skyblade12 Před rokem +928

    Actually, the Dwarves did cut a great deal of lumber. They needed it to fuel their furnaces for smelting metals. The Ents were specifically created to protect the trees from the Dwarves. The Dwarves had been created by one of the Valar who wanted to make his own peoples, and the one who had made the trees was worried that the forests would be destroyed by the Dwarves, and wanted a protector for them.

    • @Jagonath
      @Jagonath Před rokem +105

      Yes, in the Silmarillion, the Valar even argue about it. Yavanna (who loves the forests) learns about the Ents, and says "Then let those who would take an axe to the trees, beware!" Aule (who created the dwarves) basically shrugs and says, "Yet they shall have a great need of wood." Tolkien wasn't totally naive about cutting down trees, he just hated wanton destruction.

    • @ravithejon2466
      @ravithejon2466 Před rokem +18

      The problem is that simple wood from trees would never produce enough heat to fire furnaces, maybe if it was charcoal but I dont understand at all why they don’t use coal, they’re sitting on massive mines.

    • @Jagonath
      @Jagonath Před rokem +41

      @@ravithejon2466 That's more of a flaw with Tolkien's writing than anything else. It's not clear what they use. Maybe they do burn coal, but he never mentions it.
      Coal is made from plants. It's found under plains, deserts, even swamps, but not under mountains.

    • @ctrlaltdebug
      @ctrlaltdebug Před rokem +46

      @@ravithejon2466 you make charcoal by baking wood. There was no coal because there was no time to form it geologically, being a "young Earth".

    • @ironwolfF1
      @ironwolfF1 Před rokem +3

      I submit that the 'secret' of Dwarven metal-craft would be coke (coal)...and yes, the dwarves mined coal. Why bother with wood when you have easy access to coal?

  • @Jagonath
    @Jagonath Před rokem +271

    About the dwarven axes. Tolkien actually explicitly addressed dwarves cutting down trees, and lots of them. The Valar even argue about it:
    "...and Yavanna returned to Aulë; and he was in his smithy, pouring molten metal into a mould.
    'Eru is bountiful,' she said. 'Now let thy children beware! For there shall walk a power in the forests whose wrath they will arouse at their peril.'
    'Nonetheless they will have need of wood,' said Aulë, and he went on with his smith-work."

    • @Angrenost02
      @Angrenost02 Před rokem +5

      That's about all of Eru's children, not only the Dwarves. In the legendarium, Dwarves don't only use axes, but swords and mattocks too.

    • @Jagonath
      @Jagonath Před rokem +6

      @@Angrenost02 That's true, but I think she was mostly referring to the dwarves when she said "thy children."

    • @adamplentl5588
      @adamplentl5588 Před rokem +11

      @@Angrenost02 no it's specifically about the dwarves. The dwarves are Aulë's children. Aulë made the dwarves. So "thy children," directed at Aulë is about dwarves explicitly.

    • @Angrenost02
      @Angrenost02 Před rokem +4

      @@adamplentl5588 yes, for this part specifically but just a bit before Aulë says (translated from the french version): "This will be true also for the Children of Ilúvatar, for they will eat and build [...] to them Eru will give the domination of the earth and they shall use all of that they shall find in Arda."
      And later, Yavanna asks Manwë: "Is it true, King of the Earth, as Aulë said to me, that the Children who are to come shall have the mastery of all things that I made and will do with them whatever they want?" and Manwë answers yes.
      So we can see that here that Yavanna is clearly worrying about all Children of Ilúvatar cutting trees and hunting beasts.

    • @Jagonath
      @Jagonath Před rokem +1

      @@Angrenost02 Also a very Catholic idea that people (or elves, dwarves) etc. should have dominion over the Earth.

  • @pepita2437
    @pepita2437 Před rokem +1583

    The first armor of Galadriel, the one that you kind of liked, actually breaks the lore. The star symbol on her chest is the crest of Feanor, which she would never wear.

    • @kevinmorrice
      @kevinmorrice Před rokem +507

      its like if gandalf had a tattoo of sauron, looks cool, but is completely wrong and insulting

    • @Seallussus
      @Seallussus Před rokem +2

      "Says you"
      You are just a sexist misogynist racist hateful troll. Don't watch it. But also watch it otherwise you are bad.
      Yes. I'm being sarcastic. Though the says you part is literally what some half brain executive answered to a fan saying the same thing.

    • @sr71silver
      @sr71silver Před rokem +97

      Is it the crest of Feanor specifically or is it the crest or the Noldor? The former she absolutely would never wear. The latter however she might wear. She is one of the Noldor after all and not all of the Noldor took part in the Kinslayings.

    • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
      @bavariancarenthusiast2722 Před rokem +32

      There is an answer what I read - if it's true it makes sense, too early to tell. The armor she is using is not hers.

    • @sarahgopats4571
      @sarahgopats4571 Před rokem +61

      Thus proving they’re trying to make her the female feanor.

  • @Gladerunner2113
    @Gladerunner2113 Před rokem +621

    It doesn't matter what armor Galadriel wears, she has the strongest armor of them all - plot armor.

    • @TheZapan99
      @TheZapan99 Před rokem +48

      The SHE is always right!

    • @MultiKeto
      @MultiKeto Před rokem +11

      @@TheZapan99 she is the sea?

    • @TheZapan99
      @TheZapan99 Před rokem +22

      @@MultiKeto There's a tempest in her, and the flow is heavy!

    • @SkintSNIPER262
      @SkintSNIPER262 Před rokem +42

      @@driumissimo Nothing describing her as a warrior. She's always been a wise elf that guided her people with wisdom and consultation.

    • @freshbud6113
      @freshbud6113 Před rokem +6

      @@SkintSNIPER262 Tolkien literally wrote about her as a warrior princess.

  • @JustSomeGuy
    @JustSomeGuy Před rokem +589

    There may be mithril in Aman (the Undying Lands), so the elves might use it for their armor. There's definitively mithril on Numenor, so it's likely they would use it. However, that's from the books. In the show, Elrond seems to have no idea what mithril is, implying the elves and likely the Numenoreans don't have it in the show. Of course, the show is riddled with continuity errors, so who knows what the in-show lore is supposed to be.

    • @TankHunter678
      @TankHunter678 Před rokem +36

      @Bread and Circuses He is a big tolkien fan. Who actually knows elvish.

    • @morrischan932
      @morrischan932 Před rokem +7

      if you saw the latest episode the dwarves just begun excavations on a vein of mithril so elven armor from before this time is some other metal.

    • @thomasstyan2066
      @thomasstyan2066 Před rokem +14

      From the show, it seems mithril is unknown to elves at the start of the show.
      That doesn't mean the elves don't have another kind of metal that is super strong - probably through enchantments. Indeed, from the books, I'd have assumed they did.
      However, as far as I know, Tolkien often didn't go into detail how widespread elven magic was in their society, or how it worked. In my opinion, that is one of the strengths of LOTR - Tolkien resisted the urge to explain and so kept magic mysterious.

    • @VectorZero
      @VectorZero Před rokem +6

      what a waste of man hours, budget, and attention. "Durin discovers mithril" is unneccesary

    • @VectorZero
      @VectorZero Před rokem +6

      keep up the good work, JSG.

  • @I_am_ENSanity
    @I_am_ENSanity Před rokem +234

    The fact that this show costs the amount it does but at the same times seems cheaper than the Peter Jackson trilogy is a perfect representation of the series as a whole. No matter how much money you throw at a project, if you just hire people who refuse to respect the project you'll get a terrible end result.

    • @teddyharvester
      @teddyharvester Před rokem +30

      It all went into the CGI. Or just money laundering. Definitely didn't put the money in the writing. No way these episodes cost as much as they say.

    • @lauramartin7675
      @lauramartin7675 Před rokem +21

      Almost everyone who worked on LoTR (costuming, WETA workshop, stunt coordinators, cast, etc) had read the books, many religiously, others in order to get descriptions and characteristics correct. But still ALL were respectful to the source and tried to represent Tolkien as best as they possibly could with what was available to them, to the extent that new technology, filming techniques and digital media was born from the crews needs for better results. Mo-cap has come a long way with the help of Andy Serkis. 😊

    • @talongreenlee7704
      @talongreenlee7704 Před rokem +2

      It’s got lower production value than old low budget swashbuckling adventure movies that Shad has reviewed. The fact that it’s a multimillion dollar project and that most of that money is going to people’s salaries makes it pretty obvious to me that it was intended to be a cover for straight up criminal embezzling.

    • @whatisgoingonherebruh1
      @whatisgoingonherebruh1 Před rokem +1

      Adjusted for inflation the LOTR cost almost as much as rings of power season 1 which has props that can be used over multiple seasons so its probably cheaper overall.
      Don't believe every meme you see bud.

    • @Lilpiktdude
      @Lilpiktdude Před 4 měsíci

      @@whatisgoingonherebruh1The first person I’ve seen that has it right for once and is putting facts over feelings

  • @templarwhiskey8167
    @templarwhiskey8167 Před rokem +275

    "Let's make armor more presentable and different..."
    "Ok let's super glue more metal plates on it ."
    "You mean scale mail."
    "No, metal plates on everything!"
    "But that is -"
    "I said everything!"
    "Fine, here is the queen's undershirt too."
    "Nah, I got my kids colored markers for that."

    • @friedrichschwarz1547
      @friedrichschwarz1547 Před rokem +1

      An explanation could be, its not a scale mail breast plate, but rather a hardened dragon leather breastplate. (no idea what it might be in story, but that universe has dragons... for example smaug in "the hobbit")

    • @charlottewalnut3118
      @charlottewalnut3118 Před rokem +7

      @@friedrichschwarz1547 Dragon scales are for in a way larger than that not only that but how would you get them given that most dragons are too large to be killed in general and their skills are as hard as mithril

    • @sjonnieplayfull5859
      @sjonnieplayfull5859 Před rokem +1

      @@friedrichschwarz1547 shaping dragon leather would be difficult, especially in curves. Still, COULD be an explanation

  • @sevenproxies4255
    @sevenproxies4255 Před rokem +628

    Missed opportunity with the Dwarf helmets: you know how the armoured face mask of Samurai warriors (menpo) sometimes had these big moustaches to make them look like mythological demons?
    If I was in charge of designing the Dwarf helmets, I'd have them fitted with similar masks but which were equipped with openings and slits specifically so that the wearer would be able to pull his beard and mustache through to proudly display it outside of his armour.

    • @hugotrojanovsky7667
      @hugotrojanovsky7667 Před rokem +83

      But this way the helmets actually protect the beard which the dwarvws would be protective of.

    • @hugotrojanovsky7667
      @hugotrojanovsky7667 Před rokem +5

      But this way the helmets actually protect the beard which the dwarvws would be protective of.

    • @naamadossantossilva4736
      @naamadossantossilva4736 Před rokem +21

      And then Azog grabs your beard and swings you around.Not very practical.

    • @sevenproxies4255
      @sevenproxies4255 Před rokem +59

      @@naamadossantossilva4736 Silly remark. In historical combat, the vikings sported long beards that were not covered up in the slightest. Hardly any recorded instances of hair or beard grabbing during combat at all.
      In fact, even the common myth that Romans supposedly shaved and kept their hair short so enemies would not be able to grab it in battle is just that: a myth.
      Medieval armour designs, while functional, also placed great emphasis on aesthetics if the wearer could afford it.

    • @filmandfirearms
      @filmandfirearms Před rokem +32

      @@naamadossantossilva4736 How do you figure that his suggestion would present any more risk of this than the open faced helmets that the dwarves wore in Peter Jackson's movies? Personally, I think this would actually fit dwarven culture and fighting style far better. They are clearly established to favor fighting in tightly packed blocks, which makes sense for both their strong culture of martial brotherhood, and for their physicality. In that sort of formation, visibility is not very important, so a face covering wouldn't be that much of a hindrance. Peter Jackson clearly thought about this when he made The Hobbit, as you see the regular dwarven soldiers wearing full face helmets. Officers have their faces exposed, but that's hardly unbelievable, given that many cultures had officers wearing more open helmets or sometimes none at all, like in the case of high ranking Roman officers. After all, a good officer is supposed to be an inspiration to his men, and that's far easier to do when you can see his face

  • @asdfghjkl2317
    @asdfghjkl2317 Před rokem +55

    About wearing plate over mithril chainmail: actually it's not bad. In the LOTR book, when Frodo gets hit, he is not impaled, he does suffer from the hit though: for days, before reaching Lothlorien, he has wound underneath the point where the mail stopped the blade. So mithril IS in fact impenetrable, but chainmail still works as a normal one and transfer the force of the hit to the body underneath. Plate armour would absorb the force, but of course good padding would do the same, being cheeper

    • @iapetusmccool
      @iapetusmccool Před rokem +7

      Also, in the book it was just an unusually large (but still shorter than a man) orc that got him, not a troll.

  • @TheRealE.B.
    @TheRealE.B. Před rokem +98

    The cross guard is actually so close to being good.
    Hypothetically, a highly-skilled, long-lived magical race should be doing all sorts of fancy things that theoretically work but never show up in the real world because it's a ton of work for a marginal improvement (e.g. a $50,000 sword that's only 5% better than a $1,000 sword). Fancy metal lattices that are almost as strong as a solid bar while being much lighter make a lot of sense for the design of elvish weapons. But, as others have pointed out, the curve toward the user is kind of sketchy.

    • @scratchy996
      @scratchy996 Před rokem +6

      Scale armor = because Numenor is an island, and ...water, fish and scales and stuff.
      Elvish sword = at 17:48 , you can see the cross guard looks like a tiny bow, and the handle and blade look like a big arrow ...because elves and bows and stuff.

    • @ctdaniels7049
      @ctdaniels7049 Před rokem +1

      Now I'm imagining Elves just putting trusses, fullers and H-beam shapes into everything XD

  • @neverforged
    @neverforged Před rokem +412

    In the Silmarillion, Tolkein mentions that the Ents were made to protect the trees from the Dwarves, so tree-cutting is a dwarf thing apparently, hence axes. Hammers and picks also make sense though, and yeah, always axes.

    • @RoninCatholic
      @RoninCatholic Před rokem +13

      Aside from Gimli, dwarves going to war in The Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, and the appendices thereof (which allegedly this series is based on) used pick axes more than regular axes. Also, lots of swords and the occasional bow.
      And it does make a lot of sense for dwarves to cut down trees, since wood is a natural resource that can be crafted into things and the scraps of it are fuel for fire. I've thought of this connection on my own, but never ascribed it to Middle Earth specifically before.

    • @Jagonath
      @Jagonath Před rokem +4

      All of the three races would have needed to cut down trees, including the elves (elves would have likely have sought out dead trees). But almost all metal-working would have required huge amounts of wood for fuel. I guess the dwarves might conceivably burned coal, although I don't think Tolkien ever referenced it.

    • @Dave-ks9fi
      @Dave-ks9fi Před rokem +9

      @@Jagonath I've put some thought into this recently on the tangent of another conversation. There is no reason to assume that coal or gas exist, unless Alauvitar specifically created it for them because the world is too young to have formed it naturally.

    • @Jagonath
      @Jagonath Před rokem +8

      @@Dave-ks9fi That's a good point. Certainly Tolkien never mentioned anything about coal or gas, so it's probably safe to assume they needed to use wood as a fuel source for everything.

    • @Kuraimizu9152
      @Kuraimizu9152 Před rokem +4

      Are we seriously ignoring the only quote in Khuzdul in the entire saga? "Baruk Khazad, khazad ai menu." (Dwarven axes, the dwarves are upon you).

  • @tilkibazil
    @tilkibazil Před rokem +212

    I had an idea of ''medieval signaling'' video, like how they gathered messages in the battlefield, by mirrors, scouts etc.

  • @Usdrothek
    @Usdrothek Před rokem +46

    The Dwarves in the first age wore armoured face masks in battle. All the art doesnt have the masks that ridiculously huge though.

  • @bennycaustic5102
    @bennycaustic5102 Před rokem +265

    I'm straight up happy for this man and his success. He was able to find what he loved in life, monetize it, and share it with others. He legit just said screw it and ticked off every box for a successful and fulfilling life.

    • @4_youtube_is_dead
      @4_youtube_is_dead Před rokem

      :

    • @matthewgaviola8885
      @matthewgaviola8885 Před rokem +7

      But CZcams hasn’t been kind to their creators as of late.

    • @Ivan_Berni
      @Ivan_Berni Před rokem +1

      @@matthewgaviola8885 he is not just a youtube anyways, if youtube falls the creators will migrate to other platform, i hope soon, enough of Google monopoly.

    • @cattrucker8257
      @cattrucker8257 Před rokem +5

      Chadiversity

  • @joesmutz9287
    @joesmutz9287 Před rokem +385

    It might be worth doing a follow-up where you do the Peter Jackson arms and armor as well
    A good compare and contrast

    • @holysecret2
      @holysecret2 Před rokem +25

      I would definitely be interested in that!

    • @JoshArgentine
      @JoshArgentine Před rokem +5

      oh please yes

    • @Alex-dh2cx
      @Alex-dh2cx Před rokem +8

      I think he might've in the past, remember something about it. He's touched on some similar topics like one about the cities

    • @Alex-dh2cx
      @Alex-dh2cx Před rokem +1

      I will say, at least Peter Jackson didn't put boob armor on eowyn. Wish that would get ditched from fantasy. They didn't put it on Queen Calanthe in the Witcher either, she looked awesome

    • @groundbreaker91
      @groundbreaker91 Před rokem +6

      Always loved the BTS where the WETA guys had to describe the process in developing the Witch-King's flail. Absolutely hilarious.

  • @choppedandbobbed9729
    @choppedandbobbed9729 Před rokem +172

    My favorite part of this show is when the elf cried because he had to cut down a tree after wearing carved wooden armor for past three episodes.

    • @aussiebaka4588
      @aussiebaka4588 Před rokem +47

      Maybe the tree he is wearing gave its consent first ... ;)

    • @robo5013
      @robo5013 Před rokem +29

      And why the Green Man on his armor. Doesn't seem like Elves would incorporate Celtic lore from the British Isles into their armor. The one time the show refers to the British folklore of Tolkien's works they get it wrong.

    • @hugotrojanovsky7667
      @hugotrojanovsky7667 Před rokem +5

      Hey, maybe it's made of magically grown wood that grew exactly into the shape of armor. Or a fallen tree, or a shed bark.

    • @hawkname1234
      @hawkname1234 Před rokem +9

      You've never heard of trees falling or dying without being cut down?

    • @choppedandbobbed9729
      @choppedandbobbed9729 Před rokem +5

      @@hugotrojanovsky7667 or the show's writers aren't at all concerned with logic, or entertainment.

  • @0x13horizon4
    @0x13horizon4 Před rokem +28

    In middle school we had an assignment where we had to take a survey from our class. I did genres. I was the only person who voted for the medieval/fantasy genre. We also had to decorate our pie charts, so I drew a sword in my pie sliver (: finding your channel recently has been great for me

  • @maxmillianwiegel1643
    @maxmillianwiegel1643 Před rokem +42

    I do want to point out that the idea of scales being on plates is a style of armor that is real.
    In japan, there was a technique of molding breastplates to give them scales. It wasn’t actually scale, rather, only a kind of stylization of it. And it was very labour intensive to achieve, but there are quite few examples still remaining from that time.
    Given that tfe second age is greater than the third, I can see how this could be reflected in the quality of gear being crafted.

    • @laurenz4528
      @laurenz4528 Před rokem +6

      Yes the makers DEFINITELY thought of that armor no doubt in mind.

  • @MaMastoast
    @MaMastoast Před rokem +293

    It honestly hadn't occurred to me that Galadriels armor has chain mail in it.. To me it just reads as fabric or something... I'm by no means an armor expert, but having simply touched actual mail at a museum a few times it's fairly obvious that it would never fold and move like that.

    • @MaaZeus
      @MaaZeus Před rokem +25

      Unless the chain links are very small maybe? Like the mithril shirt if Frodo in the movies, the links are so small that it almost looks like cloth shirt.

    • @dazor5212
      @dazor5212 Před rokem +11

      @@MaaZeus nah even then there two different materials you can tell the difference pretty easily

    • @whatsagrinder
      @whatsagrinder Před rokem +18

      yep, chain stretches or moves mostly in one direction. usually up and down so it can move with bending over and breathing.

    • @MaMastoast
      @MaMastoast Před rokem +12

      ​@@MaaZeus​Isn't mithril bright and shiny though? And apparently mithril has just now been discovered by the dwarves :P

    • @ricomock2
      @ricomock2 Před rokem +13

      @@MaMastoast
      Mithril is visually the same as silver, but it doesn't tarnish. So it should be super bright as silver is one of the best reflectors of visible light

  • @zool7292
    @zool7292 Před rokem +395

    My biggest issue with the elven swords is that the cross guard is rounded which would deflect the enemy blade either towards the elf or away from the elf. In general it would fail at all the things a cross guard is supposed to do. It can't catch blades, can't stop blades, and has a high chances of creating a mortal wound to the elf.

    • @zool7292
      @zool7292 Před rokem +9

      @@valandil7454 can you name some examples of swords with no guards? I know there are some.swords with small guards or very short ones. And to my knowledge those kinds weren't very common in Europe or they are from pre-roman era.

    • @asddasdasdasdadsa
      @asddasdasdasdadsa Před rokem +5

      @@valandil7454 yes, but they evolved a lot, and if you out a big ass guard at your sword maybe make it usefully and not worse than no guard at all, it probably can hinder certain manovers, can be dangerous for the user, and has no positive effects at all, while when you flip the guard around it works perfectly fine (has less of the drawbacks, and actually does the job it should do)

    • @shinobi-no-bueno
      @shinobi-no-bueno Před rokem +13

      @@zool7292 migration era ("viking") swords are the best example, just the smallest amount of horizontal material intended only to stop the hand from slipping up

    • @zool7292
      @zool7292 Před rokem +1

      @@asddasdasdasdadsa flipped around the curved part could act like a brace to the guard. But ye, the curve on the blade side just makes blocking harder since blows would deflect to other areas. Tho maybe thats why galadriel has the hip tassel(I think thats how its spelled).

    • @zool7292
      @zool7292 Před rokem +4

      @@shinobi-no-bueno the guard on that would still be usable for blocking or partying. Although in viking defense they preferred the bearded ax which was cheaper to make, used less material, and was probably why they put so little hand guard on them. Plus swords were a lot harder to make.

  • @DepressyDuck
    @DepressyDuck Před rokem +27

    I would love to see an entire series from Shad talking about every armour set in For Honor.
    Like 1 episode goes through all the armour of the Warden, next episode Raider, then Kensei and so on.
    Anyone else?

    • @crassus300
      @crassus300 Před rokem +1

      I would love this.
      I chose Tranquil Wayfarer for my Warden and Tormented Arbiter for my LawBringer

    • @florians9949
      @florians9949 Před rokem +2

      Episode on the Raider: he got no armor, he’s so dead. End.

  • @Serahpin
    @Serahpin Před rokem +15

    This is the same problem that "AI" has, they are mixing and matching elements to create a thing without understanding the underlying reason for it. They saw things that "looked cool" and put them in their design without understanding why they were exist in the first place. AI is the definition of knowledge without wisdom. It is encyclopedic in it's information, but has no context to put the information together cohesively. And that's what these costume designers did.

  • @AEsir_Goji
    @AEsir_Goji Před rokem +121

    I don't know what it is, but it looks like it's made of something weak, like paper mache....or Raditz!

    • @gang-ridertv5433
      @gang-ridertv5433 Před rokem +15

      Damnit Nappa!

    • @l0rf
      @l0rf Před rokem +4

      How could something so weak hold the shape of armor? Impossible.

    • @AEsir_Goji
      @AEsir_Goji Před rokem +4

      @@l0rf not if it was made of at least 3 Raditz.

    • @l0rf
      @l0rf Před rokem +4

      @@AEsir_Goji Luckily we can just grow equivalents of Raditz.

    • @Zombiewithabowtie
      @Zombiewithabowtie Před rokem +1

      "Theguywho'sasstrongasaSaibamansaysWHAT? ... That usually gets to him."

  • @dan_the_dj
    @dan_the_dj Před rokem +43

    finally...
    I was growing tired of this not being mentioned in the reviews so far xD

  • @TheSleepiestPlurals
    @TheSleepiestPlurals Před rokem +19

    actually if you look at paintings of spanish knights in armor it's very common to see them wearing no gauntlets, just bare hands. It's just something that came into style at some point, possibly as rapiers and swords with basket hilts became more common, used in conjunction with a buckler on the other hand

    • @jonathanbangs6923
      @jonathanbangs6923 Před rokem +5

      Also look at the polish winged hussars. They didn’t wear hand protection either.

  • @nategraham6946
    @nategraham6946 Před rokem +4

    One mild benefit for the beard extension of the Dwarves helmets, it extends the protection down to the assumed chest armor, without the gap at the neck, removing a common weak point in armor. And as to the terrible orc ax, it literally looks like two separate ax heads heads put onto one handle, just in opposite directions.

  • @MrEhcks
    @MrEhcks Před rokem +105

    I love how Shad can't help but notice plot holes as he is trying to focus on armour.

  • @eschelar
    @eschelar Před rokem +638

    The orc blades in LOTR made sense. Simple forged, no folding, just pour it, grind an edge and go.
    Rather than having a fine blade, they could rely on the spike for armor penetration.
    Functional. Lore-friendly.
    Like pretty much none of this shit is.

    • @holysecret2
      @holysecret2 Před rokem +125

      The crude design also fit the orcs thematically, as well as fit lore-wise, as the orc army was all about quantity over quality.

    • @glorvalmacglorvas6082
      @glorvalmacglorvas6082 Před rokem +68

      Additionally, they used a lot of spears/pikes for simple formation combat.
      But, I will say, the use of 'hero sword kills anything in one hit!' was dumb in the original ones.

    • @AliDixon95
      @AliDixon95 Před rokem +41

      Swords are NEVER 'poured' (cast); they would be incredibly brittle. Both GoT and LoTR commit this crime

    • @ShadowGaming-ft4fh
      @ShadowGaming-ft4fh Před rokem +65

      @@AliDixon95 they were after mass sword not good swords. Orcs don't care if it breaks they'll just grab another.

    • @AliDixon95
      @AliDixon95 Před rokem +22

      @@ShadowGaming-ft4fh There's no arguement here... it simply is not done

  • @VFella
    @VFella Před rokem +29

    I have a theory on the origin of "swords on the back": I think it started because the people in charge of the costumes were schooled back in the age of Wild West and war movies. And you do actually carry a gun in your back (obviously). It might just have been that they had some slings with fake half guns on them to equip the extras and recycled these, adding a cross guard and a pommel. Or it might just have been that they thought that it looked about right, as they were used to guns.
    But I definitely think it is based on the way we carry guns.

    • @jasonkeith2832
      @jasonkeith2832 Před rokem +1

      Possibly. But even then, carrying guns on the back would be more of a thing from infantry wars rather than the Old West. Functionally carrying a gun on one's back is only preferable when one needs immediate access to it, or when there is no other place to store larger weapons, such as on a wagon or horse.

  • @johnnydollar579
    @johnnydollar579 Před rokem +33

    Man watching him promote his book was more entertaining than anything rings of power has made. ☺️😂

  • @IsfetSolaris
    @IsfetSolaris Před rokem +280

    I love how they tried to make the female armor not sexist (super form fitting or revealing) and STILL made awful armor.

    • @ivannegrozny5388
      @ivannegrozny5388 Před rokem

      The only way armor can be sexist is if it bites the woman trying to clean it

    • @sheeplord4976
      @sheeplord4976 Před rokem +83

      Feminism, the movement that simultaneously tells woman to be more sexual while also telling people not to treat woman as being sexual.
      It fits the movement perfectly.

    • @rumplstiltztinkerstein
      @rumplstiltztinkerstein Před rokem +49

      @@sheeplord4976 The movement that says that women should be themselves, but at the same time also criticizes and control how women look/behave.

    • @bavariancarenthusiast2722
      @bavariancarenthusiast2722 Před rokem +16

      @@sheeplord4976 no movement is telling that mate. Feminism is basically same rights for male or females, same payment etc.

    • @thegamerboy1000
      @thegamerboy1000 Před rokem +41

      @@bavariancarenthusiast2722 Wouldn't that just be equality then? Why rally behind a different term at that point?

  • @Glorfindel_117
    @Glorfindel_117 Před rokem +84

    The thing I've yet to hear ANYONE mention about Mirial's T-shirt armour is that its literally A PICTURE OF HER BREASTPLATE printed on the tshirt. You can see the hem/border of the breastplate on her bicep, because they just took a photo of the armour and printed it on the tshirt, as well as the little rivet thingies on the scales closest to the hem. They didn't even attempt to hide it, which makes me think they forgot to design an undershirt for her, or something happened to the ones they had and had to make something in 30 minutes before the shoot.

  • @alistairgrey5089
    @alistairgrey5089 Před rokem +66

    I guess I'm still wondering why Galadriel, one of the most powerful magical beings in Middle Earth, has been downgraded to a fighter wearing armor and brandishing a sword? She was one of the first elves to cross from Valinor to Middle Earth so it's not like she's young. Aside from Elrond she is the most powerful elf there. I'm just wondering why they are putting a sorceress who can summon storms and tornadoes at will in plate.

    • @bjiornbjiorn
      @bjiornbjiorn Před rokem +19

      To be fair, this is before she is given charge of her ring. Even after they got their own rings Elrond and Gandalf still ran around using swords and armour to fight. I think people have been trying too hard to apply DnD archetypes to Tolkien's work when it just doesn't fit. Magic in Middle-Earth is very rarely used as a direct weapon and instead, much more about influencing others or the odd "conjuring trick". Even the gods fought their enemies armed and armoured rather than throwing fireballs at each other. In that context I don't see a problem with giving Galadriel, who is objectively less powerful than when we see her in the Lord of the Rings, arms and armour.

    • @alistairgrey5089
      @alistairgrey5089 Před rokem +27

      @@bjiornbjiorn she was summoning storms in the first age. Elves actually get less powerful the longer they are in middle earth. Galadriel would be more powerful in this time than in LotR.
      And yes it is like shooting fireballs at each other. Saruman does literally that, Gandalf summons light and force fields, Elrond controls rivers, and Galadriel has the power of storms.

    • @baron2062
      @baron2062 Před rokem +5

      @@bjiornbjiorn yes, but gandalf *used* magic in fights. Galadriel never does, for absolutely no reason. Its absurd

    • @mindstalk
      @mindstalk Před rokem +3

      Galadriel never summoned storms in canon. Nor does Gandalf show "force fields". Where are you getting these things?

    • @alistairgrey5089
      @alistairgrey5089 Před rokem +5

      @@mindstalk in his fight with the balrog? And yes, she does. I'm getting this from the books, movies, and other official sources. Where are you getting yours?

  • @jellybeans6743
    @jellybeans6743 Před rokem +3

    Thanks for explaining and describing the technical terms and actual names of articles. It helps us who aren't familiar but are interested :)

  • @unnamedenemy9
    @unnamedenemy9 Před rokem +106

    13:10 the masks on the dwarven helmets are actually from Tolkien's writings. In the Silmarillion it's mentioned that the dwarves wore metal masks that helped protect them from dragon fire, and it seems the dwarves maintained that tradition. The beard part is clearly just to help protect as much of their *actual* beards as possible, though it could also help with fire as well.

    • @MehrumesDagon
      @MehrumesDagon Před rokem +17

      at the cost of not protecting their life because they were unable to turn their head?
      no part of silmarilion gives off the vibe that a dwarf would value his beard to the point of activelyhampering themselves in the fight over trying to protect it....

    • @avrace2708
      @avrace2708 Před rokem +15

      But Erebor Dwarves in hobbit have metal masks on helmets too, but they looked much more practical and epic

    • @glumreaper8885
      @glumreaper8885 Před rokem +7

      It's not like beard hair couldn't be bundled up into a normal chin guard. Also those ceremonial masks clearly aren't made for battle but for intimidation. The dwarves hadn't been at war with anything except politics in generations.

    • @kharnthebetrayer8251
      @kharnthebetrayer8251 Před rokem

      @@MehrumesDagon Yeah, why not just tuck their beards UNDER the breastplate. Protects the beard just as much as the beard armour, and wouldn't hinder them as much

  • @Scuzzlebutt142
    @Scuzzlebutt142 Před rokem +84

    Living in Wellington NZ, have had a chance to talk to some people in the industry about this Show, and why so much looks so bad.
    -First, off screw Amazon, for screwing off to the UK for second season, putting a bunch of people out of work
    -Apparently, in total, there were 2 steel blades made for this show, everything else is aluminum. Secondly, there was no input from the weapon smiths, and most of the hilts/furniture on the blades is 3D printed, which is why they look so bad, they don't have to deal with real world physics of making them work like they did for the Jackson movies, as everything there was made in metal then copied to other materials.
    -The armour, also 3D printed. which is why you can see print lines on some of it, and why some looks like badly painted plastic. Again, compared to the Jackson films, things were made in steel/bronze/leather then plastic copies made, and again, probably didn't have input of armourers into the design.
    - that armour that Galadriel wears on the ship and before is supposed to be mother of Pearl apparently, but is not communicated in anyway, which is why it looks like cheap plastic painted as metal.

    • @erikhendrickson59
      @erikhendrickson59 Před rokem +2

      Everything you listed can be summed up in one single word: capitalism

    • @PumpkinHoard
      @PumpkinHoard Před rokem +13

      @@erikhendrickson59 But how? There was supposedly a billion dollars poured to this crap? How do spend that much money and still put the alleged stars of the show in cheap crappy looking "armour?" It looks like kids toy ffs!

    • @troydodson9641
      @troydodson9641 Před rokem +3

      If you're saying they had people there just to make the armors look good, why have them at all? How much of the budget was spent trying to be stupid?

    • @charlottewalnut3118
      @charlottewalnut3118 Před rokem +2

      @@erikhendrickson59 no no no doll it’s about idiocy and greed capitalism is about making something people want to attract customers

  • @sb7984
    @sb7984 Před rokem +6

    That was a really good point about double bladed axes being redundant. A spike or hook on the back would be more useful . Reminded me of how a good multi- blade pocket knife has different kinds of blades. More options........Double bladed axes would be good for executioners. Blade gets dull? flip it and chop off more heads!

  • @0That_Guy0
    @0That_Guy0 Před rokem +5

    For their budget, it’s insane they made it look so cheap.
    Also; having Mauler read those reviews in the outro was an awesome idea, his voice is great!

  • @lucassmith992
    @lucassmith992 Před rokem +104

    The thing about dwarves in lotr is that they are proven time and time again to be INSANELY strong, simply by the fact that they are constant shown wielding huge weapons with ease. Case and point, Dain Itonfoot from the battle of the five armies and his enormous maul that he wielded with one hand while in hot back

    • @morrigankasa570
      @morrigankasa570 Před rokem +27

      I think all fantasies indicate Dwarves being stronger then Humans with various additional benefits.
      Dragon Age series 10% resistance to magical damage and unable to actually use magic.
      R. A. Salvatore's works stronger, longer lived then humans, and a connection to a smithing deity that can inspire them to create a masterwork armor or weapon or possibly other smithed item.
      Then in the Granddaddy of fantasy Tolkien's actual works also stronger and longer lived then humans.
      Christopher Paolini's Inheritance Cycle Dwarves are longer lived and brawnier then average humans.

    • @hasturthekinginyellow5003
      @hasturthekinginyellow5003 Před rokem +16

      @@morrigankasa570 The thing that people always forget about dwarves is that they arent a race of men, at least in the LOTR universe the dwarves and elves are a completely different thing, i mean, they werent even created by the same gods! Eru Ilúvatar created the men and the elves but the dwarves were created by Aulë the Smith who is said that crafted them from the mountains iron and stone.

    • @morrigankasa570
      @morrigankasa570 Před rokem +3

      @@hasturthekinginyellow5003 Yes I understand and know that but to explain it had to compare to Humans.

    • @thomasstyan2066
      @thomasstyan2066 Před rokem +1

      @@hasturthekinginyellow5003 I always thought there was only one God in LOTR - Eru Ilúvatar.
      The Valar and Maiar were created by him and subordinate to him. I think should be thought of as Angels rather than Gods. This would fit with Tolkien being a Catholic.

    • @hasturthekinginyellow5003
      @hasturthekinginyellow5003 Před rokem +9

      @@thomasstyan2066 I mean, Eru Ilúvatar is THE god of LOTR but the Valar are also considered gods, like Nienna "Goddess of Pity and Mourning" or Aulë "the God smith", while the Maia are more akin to angels.

  • @xXbrokenvoidXx
    @xXbrokenvoidXx Před rokem +157

    Would be cool if Shad continued his analysis of fictional Castles. Some of the Castles from Elden Ring would be a good choice.

    • @nighthawk6777
      @nighthawk6777 Před rokem +5

      Yes! That would be epic!

    • @Grandwigg
      @Grandwigg Před rokem +6

      This idea needs more traction.

    • @xXbrokenvoidXx
      @xXbrokenvoidXx Před rokem +7

      @@Grandwigg I feel like he'd enjoy Elden Ring's Castles. The defenses are pretty good and well thought out this time. There's gatehouses, functional arrow slits, cheval de frise, those wooden barricades with shooting holes that I can't remember the name of, etc. Redmane Castle even has a siege tower, catapults, and ballistae overlooking the bridge to it.

    • @morrigankasa570
      @morrigankasa570 Před rokem +7

      I've been wanting him for years to analyze the Warden's Keep from Dragon Age Awakening, Soldier's Peak from Dragon Age Origins, and the Fortress from Dragon Age Inquisition.
      Also wanted him to analyze "Vanilla" Stalhrim weapons and Armor from Skyrim.

    • @yig_501
      @yig_501 Před rokem

      they are insane

  • @DarkestXDespair
    @DarkestXDespair Před rokem

    Just wanted to say I'm happy to see you still making videos. I've been watching for a while but haven't watched a new vid in a bit (life stuff). Hope you're doing good dude. Keep killing it 🍷

  • @nox5282
    @nox5282 Před rokem +4

    I am addicted to both brooks brothers. Jazza for the brush and shad for the sword and commentaries

  • @jadekaiser7840
    @jadekaiser7840 Před rokem +72

    Also, in the books Gimli has two (assumedly) single-bit axes, rather than one double-bit axe. It doesn't come up very often, but it's mentioned a couple times. From the way he's described using them, the second one seems to mostly just be a spare.

    • @TheSleepiestPlurals
      @TheSleepiestPlurals Před rokem +15

      in the movies Gimli has both a double bit and two single bit axes, he's seen sometimes dual wielding the single bit ones

    • @Seriously_Unserious
      @Seriously_Unserious Před rokem +7

      In the movie, Gimi is seen with 2 different axes, the bad double bit axe you're talking about, and a more Danish style pole axe that Shad I think reviewed and liked.

    • @TheSleepiestPlurals
      @TheSleepiestPlurals Před rokem +12

      @@Seriously_Unserious I just looked up gimli axes just to be sure and in the movies he carries with him 5 whole ass axes. I don't think he uses all of them but he's seen carrying them. My mans likes to AXE

    • @MiguelSanchezDelVillar
      @MiguelSanchezDelVillar Před rokem +2

      Gimli has 4, 1 is the double headed one, he took It from Moria, other is the main one, gifted to him from Gloin, the he has 2 smaller ones, one looks like Gloins's axe and he uses both in Pelennor, the last one he uses It as a throwing axe.
      Source: I have the official toy of Gimli

    • @jadekaiser7840
      @jadekaiser7840 Před rokem +1

      @@MiguelSanchezDelVillar Ah, yes. The marketing departments of people making money off a long-dead author's story. Truly, the ultimate lore authority! :V

  • @alexv1387
    @alexv1387 Před rokem +69

    13:10 They actually had helmets with facemasks in the books, that's mentioned in the Silmarillion when fighting a dragon, because it helps them to not get burned

    • @luzifersohn5010
      @luzifersohn5010 Před rokem +24

      It is not about the facemask. It is about the "BEARD-Mask" that hinders the head movement. Reading stuff still leaves much room for imagination... That is good for a book, less so for a Movie or TV series!

    • @alexv1387
      @alexv1387 Před rokem +8

      @@luzifersohn5010 Well, if I'm not off, those masks are described as shaped like a dwarven face, that probably included the dwarfs Single most distinctive feature: the beard

    • @DrygdorDradgvork
      @DrygdorDradgvork Před rokem +7

      @@alexv1387 well even if that were integrated, it absolutely would not work the way it's portrayed in this garbage heap of a show.

    • @AstralBelt
      @AstralBelt Před rokem +3

      @@alexv1387 you can work in the beard without it being super lengthy and inhibiting

    • @frankisantana
      @frankisantana Před rokem +1

      Really, the armor's beard cover isn't a problem at all. The problem is everything around him, from the showrunners to the latest writer.

  • @CatChrist
    @CatChrist Před rokem

    I've watched for years at this point without subbing, but now knowing you have Knight's Watch I've subbed to both channels. I appreciate your dedication Shad. Cheers!

  • @sciverzero8197
    @sciverzero8197 Před rokem +2

    the elven maille is very fine and ragged looking because its just loose knit cloth with a metallic spraypaint on it.

  • @mansfieldtime
    @mansfieldtime Před rokem +44

    So the biggest issue I noticed in your review was the sheer LACK of helmets. I mean three groups, dwarves, elves and guard, but none of the main characters. Where were the rest? I thought Mandalorian brought back the "Helmets are cool" factor.

    • @g00gleisgayerthanaids56
      @g00gleisgayerthanaids56 Před rokem +18

      Actors want their faces to be seen

    • @mansfieldtime
      @mansfieldtime Před rokem +6

      @@g00gleisgayerthanaids56 But Mando.

    • @Groblinmode
      @Groblinmode Před rokem +8

      It's all about distinguishing features, for the Mandalorian that feature is his helm, yet for most actors it is their faces.
      I would like to see more helmets but I'm glad reviews don't note it for shows and movies anymore since this is an unfortunate granted for almost all media.

    • @mansfieldtime
      @mansfieldtime Před rokem +3

      @@Groblinmode I agree but during the fight have a helmet and then take it off. Narnia did a good job, though Peter did lose his helmet to easily but still... grand.

    • @scelonferdi
      @scelonferdi Před rokem +4

      Also people kinda faced the same recognition issues as the viewers irl and found a variety of solutions. Heraldry is (in part) one of them!

  • @B.L.S.
    @B.L.S. Před rokem +34

    Shad, have you thought about making a video giving advice for prop workers on ideas to make inexpensive but realistic armor? And most importantly the things to get right, and maybe the best ways to do "minimal armor".

    • @ryngobrody1627
      @ryngobrody1627 Před rokem +8

      Look up Living Anachronism, he's got good advice on that stuff since he does LARP and theatre

    • @creatrixZBD
      @creatrixZBD Před rokem +6

      It’s interesting learning how a fabricated prop translates onto camera. Like, in real life it might look a bit odd, but through the lense it looks totally legit. Ive got a couple of friends who worked in prop/set building in the film industry, and it looks so creative and interesting.

    • @sjonnieplayfull5859
      @sjonnieplayfull5859 Před rokem

      @@creatrixZBD the lens definitely changes things. I heard that for dog fights, they just let the dogs have a play fight, a rumble, and they play it in slow-motion and it looks like they try to kill eachother.
      Also: if you spot a nice piece of scenery somewhere,or a colorful sunset, take a picture and prepare to be disappointed: it looks so small on camera.
      So yeah, I totally get that 'fake' stuff can look super convincing on camera

  • @venus.nt.
    @venus.nt. Před rokem +6

    Hope you see this Shad. I've just seen the newest episode and there are others with the regents style of armor, and you do get a closer look at it. It seems that the scale armor or fish mail armor under the breastplate isnt actually armor, just a more decorative gambeson sewn to look like fish mail, and seeing it up close, as useless as it is, it is admittedly, very pretty. Also, I love your work & best wishes.

  • @stylisgames
    @stylisgames Před rokem

    I'm glad you took the time to review the weapons and armor in this show because it all really irks me and I didn't know why or how to explain it!

  • @greatclubsandwich5612
    @greatclubsandwich5612 Před rokem +55

    In regards to the Dwarves hammer spike thing... It appears to be a combination pick\stone splitting hammer. Stone splitters have that tapered flat edge on the front to split the stone down veins where you strike them. It is certainly larger than actual stone splitting hammers but only by i'd say 30% ish depending (hard to get a good judge of scale from photo). The spike on the other ends seems excessive and not practical. The thing about stone splitters is they ARE heavy as hell. Just light enough to lift but not really swing. You let the weight of the head do the work and you focus on aiming where you want it to strike the boulder. I've used hammers like this, you don't swing them like a sledge, you'll end up breaking your arm when the recoil of it hitting the rock hits your arm... So it seems ok as far as size goes, and assuming the dwarves are stronger than an average man it's fine. The real problem is the pick spike... It's useless, pickaxes ARE swung like a sledge, meant to get into softer materials and cracks in stone and wedge them. But the spike as shown, with the splitter head on the other side makes it impossible to use. It would be too heavy to swing like a pick, and if you tried to use the spike like a splitter you could never hit a single point in a way that it wouldn't jerk sideways on impact and potentially be yanked out of your hand.
    It's clear this was designers with no real idea what tools are for or how to use them combining two fundamentally incompatible tools that look similar to make it more "fantasy and cool."

  • @MrFunkhouser
    @MrFunkhouser Před rokem +61

    The armor that the Tully's wore in the original game of thrones was a really good mix of scale mail and maybe chainmail? Specifically, the blackfish is who I remember the most. Being really cool scale mail.

    • @TheWildManEnkidu
      @TheWildManEnkidu Před rokem +19

      It did look cool as a concept. The only downside was that you could tell it was some kind of 'fake' leather type or material thing, because it didn't behave the same way or hang in the same way as scales. Eg. you could see the individual scales bending and things, and they had clearly dyed or painted it which made it look much flatter in colour than scales. It spoiled the illusion somewhat. Which was more a problem with budgeting or probably not wanting it to be too heavy for the actors or something.

    • @orbitaltrooper7139
      @orbitaltrooper7139 Před rokem +9

      I think some of the Rohirim soldiers in Two Towers have good examples as well

  • @Beenevolence
    @Beenevolence Před rokem +5

    This Elven armor is a far cry from the Peter Jackson Elven armor which I interpret to be more ceremonial than anything else as Elves are more likely to use their larger shields/spears/ and arrows to protect themselves.

    • @Beenevolence
      @Beenevolence Před rokem +1

      Also how many of these armors are meant to be practical compared to ceremonial armors but yeah most of these suck either way.

  • @VoiceoftheRings
    @VoiceoftheRings Před rokem +7

    Great video shad! As a Tolkien channel myself I really enjoyed this break down. I agree with your assessments and enjoyed it! The lore had Dwarves with beard Armour. But I agree that they could have done better beard masks helmets for the show. Also, Dwarves do cut down trees and grow them in the mines. But, I do agree double sided axe silly. But I think they could of made them look better even they do use them.
    Altogether great video shad I have been a big fan for many years of the channel! If you ever want to be a guest on my channel talking about Tolkien stuff let me know! Be so fun!

  • @coryhorton5837
    @coryhorton5837 Před rokem +22

    Other than being easily grabbed, I’d imagine dwarf beard hair has an armor quality of its own. For any hunter, taxidermist, or maybe costumer that has had to break down a hairy hide before, knives get turned by hair all the time.

    • @Zombiewithabowtie
      @Zombiewithabowtie Před rokem +7

      I like the theory floating around on the interwebs that Dwarf beards help act as a dust filter from all the time they spend mining and forging, so they don't all get blacklung.

  • @salamut2202
    @salamut2202 Před rokem +149

    I took the pale orcs to be doubling down on their sensitivity to light, making them akin to the appearance of troglabites. They were also initially introduced in a warren complex so it kinda keeps that theme going of being subterranean, with everything being pale to emphasise their photophobia. I think the type of white they used kinda lends to this, being a sickly pallid rather than the clean purity of the elves when they wear white.

    • @Killerkorn666
      @Killerkorn666 Před rokem +27

      That was exactly my thought. Lends more to the idea that they primarily are cave dwelling creatures.

    • @cherub2918
      @cherub2918 Před rokem +37

      Yes it made sense to me too. What did NOT make sense is why they turned the warg into a god damn chihuahua 🤬

    • @TheOneLichemperor
      @TheOneLichemperor Před rokem +16

      @@cherub2918 I mean, it was a fairly menacing chihuahua....

    • @salamut2202
      @salamut2202 Před rokem +19

      @@cherub2918 Have you met Chihuahuas?! That was the most sensical adaptation that they did!

    • @swimmingmide
      @swimmingmide Před rokem +4

      @@cherub2918 I thought that was the dog from the mask movies.

  • @fimbulvter
    @fimbulvter Před rokem +33

    Then we get a mere glimpse at Parazon's sword and we're just like "WHERE WAS THAT EFFORT IN THE REST OF THE SHOW?"

  • @stanfordsan
    @stanfordsan Před rokem +2

    While watching the first episode, I saw the swords carried by the elves in Galadriels unit. And I immediately thought of shad and wanted to see his reaction to the cross guards angled in the wrong direction

  • @poilboiler
    @poilboiler Před rokem +76

    Wouldn't that triangle shaped crossguard just make it easier for an opponent's weapon to slide off?
    The elves don't really look very elven. I assume the person at 20:00 is supposed to be an elf but it looks more like a hobbit.

    • @drewnayr1188
      @drewnayr1188 Před rokem +14

      There's only humans in this show, some with pointy ears, some shorter than others.

    • @asddasdasdasdadsa
      @asddasdasdasdadsa Před rokem

      First of all there are no elves in lord of the rings they are elbs. Second yeah they are the large hobbits also explains why there cloths are do dirty. But yeah it should be elbs.

    • @hawkname1234
      @hawkname1234 Před rokem

      "Don't look elven?" They look super elven to me. That's a crazy random opinion. You mean they don't all look exactly the same? None of them violate Tolkien's descriptions. They are elves-even if they aren't the stereotypes from your head.

    • @lb9166
      @lb9166 Před rokem +2

      @@hawkname1234 John loves black guys. So romantic.

    • @asddasdasdasdadsa
      @asddasdasdasdadsa Před rokem +3

      @@hawkname1234 elbs Jesus Christ not elves there are no elves in lord of the rings... And yes big noses and strongh jaws aren't the look of elbs, they have a really easy discretion, tall, gracefull and so on. If we take Elron in lore of the rings he is tall, and his head is reallativly long, while in rings of power he looks like a hobbit because his face isn't "long" is wide good look for gnomes and hobbits not for elves, and stop lying they don't look like elbs the only 2 people who look like elbs are the black dude (he ofc has the wrong skin colour what makes zero sense) and Galadriel looks okay what i have seen.

  • @Xirpzy
    @Xirpzy Před rokem +42

    Great points. Those armours look like one time cosplay or theater stuff.

    • @rockinHurley777
      @rockinHurley777 Před rokem +21

      Don't disrespect cosplay like that.

    • @Knightwingofbludhaven
      @Knightwingofbludhaven Před rokem +18

      I’ve seen cosplay and theatre costumers that totally outclassed what was thrown together on that show

    • @robo5013
      @robo5013 Před rokem +1

      Seen better looking homemade armor in LARPs.

  • @rasithasenevirathne1604
    @rasithasenevirathne1604 Před rokem +1

    I just realized what the Nimanorian armor reminded me of. They are a beige version of stormtrooper armor with a plastic lawn chair scale pattern. Probably one piece plastic too.

  • @samaramorgan6681
    @samaramorgan6681 Před rokem +4

    Hi there, just stumbled across your video by chance, I'm usually not too intrigued by historical armour, it just doesn't get me too excited. But I wanted to let you know that I really like your enthusiasm, so I stayed. It really shows how passionate you are about the topic and yet you still manage to talk about it casually enough as to not come across too condescending. It's so nice to just watch you share your knowldge in such a wholesome way! Thank you for your effort, I really liked this!

  • @Ser-Vex131
    @Ser-Vex131 Před rokem +25

    Can't say for why the Orc's 'Armour' is pale but the Orc's of this era were supposed to be affected by sunlight more than in the war of the ring era, so it would make sense that they're near albino since they'd normally avoid getting a tan.

  • @slicerneons3300
    @slicerneons3300 Před rokem +50

    Question; why would sailors wear heavy metal.armor while at sea? If they aren't expecting a threat of pirates or enemy vessels they are warring with, what is the reason for wearing it? There is far more likely a chance of falling overboard if there is no expected threat, which would make a heavy breastplate/Cuirass sure to send you to the bottom faster. Drowning seems infinitely more pressing a concern.

    • @bendover9620
      @bendover9620 Před rokem +1

      Uhm, ever heard of being boarded? Cannons won't sink a wooden vessel and against movie tropes, no, wooden ships don't just sink so casually after getting blasted by long nines The most economical way of fighting during naval battles is to attack a ship's mast, destroy cannons with your cannons, then board them and take their ship for your own use or for salvage. Also, if you think they wear their armor even if they're not being attacked, you're dead wrong. They only wear their armor when they are being attacked or attacking. You must be watching too much Spanish armada movies lmao.

    • @slicerneons3300
      @slicerneons3300 Před rokem +24

      @@bendover9620 Boarded by who? I addressed that in my comment. Yes you can wear protection, but you always do it for a reason.

    • @GermanOlle
      @GermanOlle Před rokem +9

      @@slicerneons3300 The only plausible reason Numenorean sailors (Sea Guard) trainees would wear armor would be to allow them to get on with the extra weight and hindrance of the armor from the start. But I somehow missed the division between "normal" sailors without armor and marines with armor.

    • @slicerneons3300
      @slicerneons3300 Před rokem +9

      @@GermanOlle That is an idea, but a good show would address that. Still think the hazard of the weight making drowning more.likely if fallen overboard is more pressing.

    • @thegermaniccoenus2525
      @thegermaniccoenus2525 Před rokem +1

      It is a military vessel by the look of the crew wearing armor (though rather unusual since all of their ships look the same) so yes, it is within reason for them to wear armor. The ones Isildur was in didn't wear them so that's likely a trading vessel of some sort.

  • @Gothmetalhead13
    @Gothmetalhead13 Před rokem +4

    To be fair on the gauntlets thing, there are occasions in history where armour has been worn without them. A few pieces in the mid - late 15th century, and some landschnekt and later renaissance stuff. Granted these were almost always for use by regular troops though, not actual MAA or nobles.

  • @thejackofalldans786
    @thejackofalldans786 Před rokem +1

    so, 12 year bladesmith here, i love the numenorians blade design and handle, the guard looks light but sturdy and would catch a blade well, the pommel looks perfect for balancing a long blade and the handle itself looks comfortable, it also looks to me that the handle is some kind of bone or ivory which is very often paired with whats called scrawling, its essentially a very thin shallow etching, and so looks like it was just drawn on....also everything about the elves long sword is horrindous and as you said would be very unweildy...even with the elves supperior strength...the maul that Elrond holds is shown to be quite heavy but its meant for breaking stone, again elves and dwarves are considerably stronger than men (not dunedain, they're also stronger than men, not quite elf level, but they're strong)

  • @RexorInvicta
    @RexorInvicta Před rokem +6

    Amazon collaborated with Wish on the armour department!

  • @asc3nded397
    @asc3nded397 Před rokem +15

    You should do an episode for the LOTR trilogy because the outfits in those movies actually are really amazing and practical (and also they're just way better than the Rings of Power)

  • @OpticfIare
    @OpticfIare Před rokem

    Normally hate self promoting adds, find them cringe and waste of my time.... this is how you self promote a product.... GOOD job shad you got my attention! from some one that doesnt like reading or is interested in comic like products i am legit interested and i am sure you will do good selling this just by looking at how much effort you have put on this!

  • @brownbear8532
    @brownbear8532 Před rokem

    Great video lad ! Any chances your books will be getting audio versions?!

  • @Raggedy_Andy71
    @Raggedy_Andy71 Před rokem +20

    Congrats Shad on your success with the new graphic novel release 👏🙌 Whenever I have any questions related to anything medieval I go to Shadiversity first, have you ever thought of remaking some of your earlier vids with the production value available to you now? I think they'd get big views, I know I'd be watching! BTW you're also great on FNT, keep up the good work Shad!!

    • @bohellan6227
      @bohellan6227 Před rokem

      Also having Mauler's voice serenading us with reviews was genius.

  • @RespectTheSourceMaterial
    @RespectTheSourceMaterial Před rokem +44

    They gave the 1 billion dollars to the cgi and they forgot to give any money to the writing and costumes team.
    Not everything that glitters is gold and this show is the best example of that.

    • @jasonbernard5468
      @jasonbernard5468 Před rokem +9

      My guess is that the real issue is a lack of cohesive purpose in the creative team. Jackson inspired and attracted talent, who were happy to work with him and was able to assemble weta, one of the best in the biz. But alienating and sending mixed messages can cause talent to flee. A thousand dollars would not get me a better pencil than 10 dollars. Products have a price point. Exceed it and you waste money. Exceed it too much and product quality deteriorates.

    • @RespectTheSourceMaterial
      @RespectTheSourceMaterial Před rokem +6

      @@jasonbernard5468 exactly. We are 4 episodes in and we have 4 different storylines and we don't know the plot of even one storyline even halfway through the season. I've never seen a show do that before.
      We have the harfoot storyline and we don't know what their purpose on the story is.
      We have elrond with the dwarfs that build a tower that we don't know what it is for and why they're doing it.
      Galadriels story ,the most annoying character, is just luck. She swam an ocean then she happened to find a raft in the Middle of nowhere then a ship happened to pass by, then the ship happened to go to numenor where she happened to find information etc.
      Then we have the back elf and Arda and we have no idea what their story is.
      This story is a mess. What's the hook for me to keep watching? 4 plotlines and I have no idea how a normie who has never heard of LOTR before is supposed to invest in this

    • @WalrusWinking
      @WalrusWinking Před rokem +1

      This show doesn't even glitter stop kidding yourself.

  • @cerridven
    @cerridven Před rokem +1

    The first time i saw that second armor galadriel wears, it looked like silver spray painted cardboard to me and i can't unsee that anymore.

  • @sheinsez
    @sheinsez Před rokem +3

    I also wondered where Galadriel suddenly got the armor she was wearing in the first episode in later episodes after swimming away from her ship. And yes, Mithril is considered a "new" metal that was just discovered by the dwarves.

  • @thegermaniccoenus2525
    @thegermaniccoenus2525 Před rokem +20

    It is use of plate armor in these adaptations, Peter Jackson's included, that is my biggest criticism regarding the arsenal of Middle Earth. If you've read the lore, from the First Age to the Third Age, almost all of Tolkien's warriors and soldiers have always been described as the classic chainmail-clad. The rest being scale armor.
    The reason for that is the presence of plate armor represents the concept of an "evolution", a "military reform in arms, from mail to plate", "modernization in arms" or "technological advancement". If that's the case then this also represents a theme of "allegory" since this idea would be similar to our world. And we must not forget that Tolkien hated Allegory and the idea of modernization since it is but an obstacle to an escapist world. The world Tolkien made afterall is a world stuck in an era of Medievalism, never or ever slowly showing any signs of progress on a technological scale.
    Another thing why I dislike the use of plate armor in these adaptations is because plate armor is way too overpowered and the craft of Numenor (especially for the Numenoreans) when it comes to these types of weapons and armor would clearly surpass ours, therefore making them very difficult to kill. And then an adaptation like that would be left with the old classic Hollywood trope of having swords and axes being able to cut through armor like knife to butter.
    Hence why I don't think plate armor belongs in world of Middle Earth.

    • @no-nonseplayer6612
      @no-nonseplayer6612 Před rokem +2

      That IS because classical Tolkien IS based to Finnish Epic Called Kalevala where they Weart only chain mail of coat of plates

    • @thegermaniccoenus2525
      @thegermaniccoenus2525 Před rokem +8

      @@no-nonseplayer6612 Majority of the European armies not just the Finnish wore chainmail.

    • @no-nonseplayer6612
      @no-nonseplayer6612 Před rokem

      @@thegermaniccoenus2525 well true but LOTR IS based Finnish Epic well really everything IS Grom Kalevala and other Scandic lore

    • @Hsaelt
      @Hsaelt Před rokem

      That's not entirely true, tolkien especially mentioned orcs being smart with mechanisms of all sorts especially military in Hobbit and the bad guys have this overall theme of modernisation and industrialism to it because of Tolkien experience with ww2.

    • @hawkname1234
      @hawkname1234 Před rokem +2

      That's not what allegory means. At all.

  • @zoanth4
    @zoanth4 Před rokem +6

    Lmaooo the initial reaction is all I needed to know about this new show
    I wish I knew you had a review channel too! I'll add ya and check it out

  • @jessesutton7985
    @jessesutton7985 Před rokem +2

    While the end product of Dwarven labor is largely stone and metal, those jobs invariably require lots of timber; fueling fires, scaffolding for construction, etc. Admittedly I don't know the lore enough to say for sure but I assume they'd also use it for light and heat.
    One thing that gets me when you're talking about design is that you leave room for an 'its magic' cop out. The massive problem with that is regardless of the enchantments you dream up to fix the short comings of anything, you're still left with the exact same problems. Why put all kinds of magical power into fundamentally bad gear?

  • @CaptainDV
    @CaptainDV Před rokem +1

    I'm definitely going to be getting that graphic novel.

  • @9aristos6
    @9aristos6 Před rokem +9

    i think the scales on the golden armour are meant to be just an ornamental design (like a fish) not actual scales, to symbolize their relationship with the sea. Their culture is meant to be influenced by Atlantis

  • @Skelterbane69
    @Skelterbane69 Před rokem +18

    OMG Shad that dragon! It looks just like the ones I used to collect, every time I went to a yearly market!
    There used to be this giant one with a bigass light, that looks just like that one!
    You (probably) collected the one dragon I dreamed of owning, as a kid, you beautiful bastard

  • @dirk7816
    @dirk7816 Před rokem +1

    I think the best fantasy armor ever was from the 1981 film Excalibur. They also had what was probably the most realistic castle siege scenes ever made.

  • @quagsiremcgee1647
    @quagsiremcgee1647 Před rokem +2

    I love Mauler reading the reviews. The long man strikes again.

  • @birchflash7457
    @birchflash7457 Před rokem +19

    I think it's interesting with the species, Elves and Dwarfs, and how they would do things differently from Men. Elves would practice for sometimes millennia, so it would make sense to have weapons and tools that are very hard to master but would give a great advantage when you get the hang of it. Dwarfs would be extremely strong, being able to use tools and weapons that are too heavy for other species. Not sure what it means for this show, but it sure is interesting. Wish they'd use that sort of thing more in the shows and movies.

  • @Comrade_D
    @Comrade_D Před rokem +3

    Videos with analysis like this one are my favorite part of your channel!

  • @jakkejakaali849
    @jakkejakaali849 Před rokem +1

    I don't know if there are any historical references for slinging your bow across your body, but it is actually quite comfortable if the bow is unstrung. So, it actually works with recurve bows. I probably would not even test it with a strung bow because even the idea of getting a 40lbs slap on your torso if the string snaps is plenty uncomfortable as it is.

  • @kpy2003
    @kpy2003 Před rokem +1

    I wonder if when you do a review you can also show a finished redesign of the armor in the way you would have it done at the end of it. Even if it was just hand drawn it'd be good to see how it would look like.

  • @CMTechnica
    @CMTechnica Před rokem +22

    “What is that?”
    An abomination of the highest degree

  • @thechroniclegamer4285
    @thechroniclegamer4285 Před rokem +6

    I’ve been looking forward to this

  • @teancrumpets5685
    @teancrumpets5685 Před 11 měsíci

    my favourite version of dwarven battleaxes actually comes from the discworld series, where the more utilitarian dwarves use double bit axes, but the reverse is a pick or mattock blade. they are used in combat with the axe side, and in the mines with the pick side.

  • @ThePageTurnerPT
    @ThePageTurnerPT Před rokem +3

    With regards to the cardboard-esque armor Galadriel wears, the scene in question with it is an award ceremony where she's praised for deeds during combat. So that armor is more meant to be ceremonial, not functional, so I wouldn't see an issue with it personally other than the fact that in a ceremony there's no need for armor and instead could have ceremonial garments instead

  • @matthewneuendorf5763
    @matthewneuendorf5763 Před rokem +58

    Regarding the scale outfit, I suspect that the queen of Numenor likely has a very deliberate nautical aesthetic. Scales designed to reference a fish, even if they aren't actual scales or are incorporated into a rigid armor, make sense to me as symbolic armor for a land of famous seafarers.

    • @rockinHurley777
      @rockinHurley777 Před rokem +9

      But it's printed fabric! It's cheap af

    • @matthewneuendorf5763
      @matthewneuendorf5763 Před rokem +9

      @@rockinHurley777 You may note that I only addressed the scale pattern, not the material or quality of the design. Shad was questioning why scales at all, and my comment was meant to address that alone.

    • @kingsamutay3416
      @kingsamutay3416 Před rokem +1

      Couldn’t it also be a form of ceremonial armor? Like it’s made for the purpose of parading and not combat

    • @r.e.z9428
      @r.e.z9428 Před rokem +6

      I’m sure you put more thought it the background of the armor than the writers did.

    • @afriendlycadian9857
      @afriendlycadian9857 Před rokem +1

      Why didn't they just go for historical scale armour fgs if they wanted to reference fish looks infinitely better and organic no one can defend how trash the armour is in this show

  • @ViperChief117
    @ViperChief117 Před rokem +7

    Pretty sure the weapons in the Peter Jackson movies are way better in terms of design and functionality. Than Rings of Power can ever hope to achieve. Lol

  • @daksanders4579
    @daksanders4579 Před rokem +1

    I’m a little late to the party, but I feel confident in the assertion that the main reason why there is a prevalent lack of gauntlets in suits of armor that should have them is strictly because either the actors couldn’t be bothered to act in the gauntlets, or the director couldn’t be bothered one way or another to make them act with gauntlets. I don’t think it is because they weren’t aware of them or because of some aesthetic decision.

  • @freehugzfacehugger6793

    Love that mauler narration at the end lol

  • @gang-ridertv5433
    @gang-ridertv5433 Před rokem +8

    I noticed early on that the costums were not that great on Gil-Galad in particular. He looks like a wiseman from a church play given the material he is wearing.

  • @DaneFalco
    @DaneFalco Před rokem +5

    In the Dwarven Kingdoms Triology in Dragonlance, they made a point of saying that Hill Dwarves preferred using Battle Axes While the Mountain Dwarves used Hammers and Picks, although Dwarves of any Clan is known to use either or anything else.

  • @aj.hardwick
    @aj.hardwick Před rokem

    Hey Shad I actually picked up your book on audible basically the day I hear about it and have listened to it through several times. I was wondering if you were planning to re-record any bits of the audio book that were different in the second edition of the book, and if so will it be updated automatically in the existing digital library or will I need to repurchase it. I'd be happy to repurchase it if necessary just to show my support of your awesome work, but it'd be great to know if I should plan to do so.

  • @leewolf6434
    @leewolf6434 Před rokem

    Hey Shad. We’ve just had the Queens funeral today and watching it I couldn’t help but think what your review would be of all the ceremonial armour would be.
    Any chance you might?