5 Reasons I Bought a 718 Over a 911
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- As much as I love both of these cars, I could only choose one at this point. These are a few of the reasons I decided to buy a Porsche 718 Spyder over a 911.
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Time stamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:35 - Convertible Design
1:27 - Naturally Aspirated Engine
2:50 - Couldn't Get a GT3
3:34 - ...But it Does Have GT3 Parts
4:03 - Value Performance
5:00 - Final Thoughts
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Hands down the best looking Porsche at the moment. Yes the 718 Spyder looks fab. 4 liter flat six n.a. 450 hp, manual omg my dream car.
Absolutely! Couldn't be happier with it!
@@charliemanger agree as i just bought one in Miami blue, manual, silver wheels omg whats not to like. Yours looks great as i prefer yr wheels but yeah and the color well they all look great.
Actually 414 hp
And the 718 Spyder is a future collector for sure! You can not go wrong with this one.
For sure!
Some excellent learning points and well presented.
Agree with you. 2 seater sports car without useless space. Best looking convertible. Initially and even now and then I feel maybe the 911 is what I want, but as I drive the 718 Spyder more, it’s just great. Next one for the stable would be a cruiser 911 CS.
That’d be a great lineup! I really like the 911 T’s too.
I’m glad to see someone from Alabama with a Porsche channel! I used to live in Madison. My little brother still lives up there. Thanks for the great videos!
Awesome! Really appreciate the kind words! I’m definitely trying to ramp my channel up and make more Porsche related content. The 718 has definitely exceeded my expectations!
Great delivery and explanation!
Dude... great video! I've recently moved on from the C8 BACK to Porsche (the heritage is undeniable). This Spyder is gorgeous with super appealing design cues. Loved every point! I too want one of each. Targa 4S & the Spyder. Again, superb video! Thank you!
Awesome! Really appreciate the kind words! Welcome back to Porsche!!!
Charlie, you and I think very similarly. I'm NOT a convertible guy but LOVE this convertible. Love all your points. Just one other. It's MID ENGINED. Best drivers' car Porsche has ever made. And like you, I'm on a list for a GT3. Been told 4 years. I'll have had my fill of the Spyder by then. I'll park it and let it appreciate as the LAST naturally aspirated, manual transmissioned, mid engine non electric porsche. Love the way it looks top up AND top down. And the driving dynamics, the sound of the exhaust, with the top down is AMAZING. Nicest looking car I've ever seen. Love it.
Great points! Even if I can't get a 992 GT3, I definitely won't be disappointed because the Spyder is so good!
I think that a lot of people out there are starting to realize that a Boxster/Cayman is superior to the 911, specially in handling! The 718 is an amazing car! Early on people complained about the "sound"! I have the sport exhaust on my 718 Cayman! It screams like a wildcat!
I think they're both fantastic cars! I do really want a 911 T or GTS to add to the garage now. Porsche has been doing such a great job lately with their cars. You absolutely cant go wrong with ANY 718 or ANY 911!
@@charliemanger Nicely done !
I’m extremely “sensitive”, of course, just taking delivery on a new C2……but you were very logical in your position.
I really get a laugh when I read so many comments about the various “handling advantages” of this model or that…..
The handling of most cars today far exceed the capabilities of most drivers…..so their “reviews” are meaningless.
And second, I’d bet 95% of them have never even driven a Porsche !
There’s nothing wrong with a dream. Most Porsche owners started with one….
But don’t turn into a Walter Mitty……makes you sound…..ignorant.
@@unclebob4964 right on!
I couldn't agree more but I just bought a 911 GTS because the back seats are really useful to take my 3 years old princess along.
Right on! I'm not sure which exact model, but a 911 is definitely my next purchase!
The stance on this car straight from factory is something special
Right?! Porsche nailed it with this one.
Love your shirt bro! nice car btw :D
Thanks! Really cool to hear from a watch enthusiast!
Great video!!!
Thanks! Really appreciate it!
great build! was wondering if you experience that lifter ticking noise all the 4.0 seems to have with this gen
Nope, none yet.
@@charliemanger interesting, mine started at 500km, then stopped , randomly ticks again
I have a 718 Spyder also and I agree with your 5 Reasons. I too for the same reasons would also like to have a 911 and aim to get a 992.2 GT3 to add or GTS. Love my 718. Thanks for the review. The only modifications I have done is Akrapovic OAP and tied the exhaust valves to be open all the time. Sounds perfect. Also installed brackets on LW bucket seats that lean back for a more comfortable position (I highly recommend).
Nice! I was debating on just doing the OAP's and leaving the factory muffler alone, but it's quite tempting to get an aftermarket muffler section too! I definitely want to get the valve controllers to force them open. I'll have to check out the seat brackets. I actually really like how the buckets sit as-is, but some added adjustability might be nice for experimenting with driving positions. Really appreciate the feedback!
@@charliemanger lots of youtube videos about the exhaust. Best thing is to go in phases and not all at once. If you're ok with the valves open all the time like me, just have the lines disconnected and zipped tied back. Save you $500 bucks from buying the Cargraphic Valve Controller. You can reverse it just as easy and it takes minutes. I'm completely satisfied with the way the car sounds today, but if I ever have to scratch the itch to go with more sound, then it will be aftermarket headers and keeping the OEM back box.
@@RunnerArch Thanks for the advice! Do you happen to have any videos of your car how it sounds now on CZcams?
@@charliemanger I don't. Maybe something I should do though. I'll let you know if I post anything.
Rennlist forum has a few members who have used a collar to hold the valve open partially during the lame sounding RPM range of the 718 spyder/GT4 and makes it sound similar to the high RPM range when down low. It costs less $100 and fully reversible. Check it out. Yes, you are still left with factory system and sound effects but that may suffice for some.
I just took delivery of a 2023 911 - a very imposing, bad ass car. I have a 718 Spyder coming this summer. My dealer just told me this car has been discontinued.
Nice! That’s a great garage combo right there!
@@charliemanger - no doubt.
Couldn’t agree more. The size of the 718 compared to the 992 on UK roads just works better. Had a GTS on order but cancelled without hesitation once I got my GT4 allocation. Have owned many cars. The GT4 is just simply the best all-round sports car. Love it. PS. Before you swap the exhaust, try the Cargraphic valve controller first. It really is worth it, especially in a Spyder.
I was actually fixing to order one of those! Even with an aftermarket exhaust, it’ll still be useful to force the valves open all the time.
Agree 100%. Naturally arsed!
Right!
Beautiful!
Thank you!
Have you done a valve controller yet? It’s completely changes the experience. Honestly I’ve never closed them so you can simply disconnect them and save $250.
I haven't yet. Someone else commented that they disconnected the lines on their car as well and really liked it, so I've been meaning to look into that. For the stock mufflers, I definitely would just want them open all the time, but I'd like to keep that functionality whenever I get an aftermarket muffler.
I def agree!
With a car like the Spyder, you should definitely take it to the track as least once, it would be a lot of fun
Definitely trying to work that in one of these days!
718 Spider.
You missed the most important reason to buy the 718 over the 911. On the 718, the engine is in the right spot!
Good point! I didn’t want to make 911 fans too mad! Lol
@@charliemanger Porsche finally admitted this with the GT4 RS.
Nice comparison - me 43 years of 911 convertible driving think that the 718 is top... but the space inside is so much smaller - I couldnt get used to it
Very true. The 911 is definitely a better “livable” car. The 718 is noticeably smaller and still has most of Porsches older tech inside.
Yeah the 718 is just too small for me, not enough knee room and leg room. The base 992 has great ride quality and is generally just much nicer, but the 718 GTS 4.0 handles better and is better balanced
Why would you want a GT3 if you don’t track the car and don’t have racing skills? The suspension beats the hell out of you.
I definitely would track a GT3. Plus, the engine is a MASTERPIECE in the GT3’s!
718 spyder or 718 cayman gts 4.0? If my intent is not track, I live in a sunny area rarely rains, but want to absolutely hear the engine..
Have you checked out the Boxster GTS 4.0s? If you put the top up and down a ton, then that’d be a great option. The Spyder top really isn’t bad, but you have to get out and unlatch everything and put it down by hand.
I’m looking for one to buy in the summer, i’m driving a Panamera 4 e hybrid ‘18 model. And a abarth 595 competizione. This looks like my dream car the carerra GT
Nice! I'd love a Panamera as a daily driver. Good luck with finding one! You won't be disappointed!
After 3 Cayman S, I got the 50 years anniversary edition of the 2015 911. It was $40k more but definitely not as fun to drive as the Cayman S with PDK and Sport Chrono. After 4 years I bought the 2021 Cayman S then a 2024 Cayman S after knowing the 2025 model will be ALL electric! 😡🥵
Lovely car, ive a GT4 coming in spring/summer 23 myself. But the suspension isnt quite the same as the gt3 or gt4. Drove both GT4 and Spyder back to back on a porsche experience. The spyders are definately tuned on the softer side, which may be another upside for a street driven car depending on your taste.
That was true for the 981 Spyder/GT4, but for the 718s, the cars are identical. Check it out! newsroom.porsche.com/en/press-kits/718-spyder-cayman-gt4/fahrwerk-und-regelsysteme.html
@@charliemanger how strange. Maybe its the lack of roof, but without doubt it felt softer damped.
Nice one! I’ve also got one coming this summer. Just out of interest, what do you think will happen to the residual values for these models? 2023 are the last NA engine builds, after this caymans are all going electric.
Personally, I think they’ll hold their value really well. It’s definitely a “last of an era” type of car. Will they skyrocket? No clue. Maybe, maybe not. But I love the car too much to want to sell it either way!
@@charliemanger thanks for replying! I agree and think the value will go up as they obviously wont be produced ever again. Fingers crossed anyway. Great channel BTW 👍
Did the same, bought a shark blue 718 Spyder with racing yellow stitching over a 992. Enjoy.
Solid choice! I really like the yellow stitching on Porsche interiors.
My last Porsche was a 992 2020 911 S. I’ve had 5 Porsches. I love the Boxster.
Nice!
I also had a 911.2 carrera mint car..
Though they gave me a boxster s whilst the 911 had a issue sorted.
I feel in love with the boxster over the 2 days.
911 has now gone,though my next Porsche will be the 718
Just was offered a Boxster GTS from my dealer. I have a 2022 992 and really considering trading it in…thoughts?
Tough one. Really depends what your use is for. The 911 is such a great car everywhere, but if it’s a sunshine, special occasion car, the Boxster platform is a lot of fun. If it’s a 911 GTS or any of the performance versions, I’d say no. Also, it depends how much the engine matters. I prefer the 4.0L naturally aspirated engine in the GTS. It’s really a special engine. But a Carrera S makes more power and it probably quicker. Tough choice man! But I don’t think you can go wrong either way. I’ve driven a ton of Porsches and they all have that “magic” driving experience.
@@charliemanger Thanks, still don’t know what choice to make. My 992 Carrera S just seems “big” and I miss the mid engine feel. The naturally aspirated engine is a big plus.
I am trying to get one of these.. no luck so far. If not, I'll get a 911T.
I really like the T’s. I have to admit, I totally forgot about the T’s when I made this video. For my money, I would probably buy a T over even a GTS. Such a cool car and focused on the right things!
@@charliemanger yep. Still no NA engine in T models..
Very true. I still do like the turbocharged flat 6’s in the 911 range. I’m really just not a fan of the 4-cyl. in most of the 718s. They’re great engines, but I just always associate n/a or turbo flat 6’s with Porsche.
@@charliemanger had 992 Targa4 for about 1000 km and 718 Boxster 4.0 GTS (NA) for 1500km
As much as I ❤️ Targa versions of new or older 911s, the feel, handling and precision together with that sound of 4.0 NA engine right behind your back....
L❤️VE at the first start 😃
Never drove a 911, but I heard your story several times from different people online, so I decided to save 40k and get the 4.0. It’s perfect as far as I can tell
Best looking Porsche beside Carrera GT and 918.
I totally agree! It’s also nice that the Spyder costs 10-20 times less!
718 spyder gt4 and gt3 cars are not limited but yes they are more special
Not “numbered-limited”, but they’re definitely not the same open-ended order books like Base/S cars.
Honest question: why are you interested in GT3s, spyders, and their performance parts when you don’t track? I don’t understand why gts’s aren’t more desirable since they are cheaper, more comfortable, more practical, and have very similar performance figures, especially on the open road.
For me, it really comes down to the looks and just being a “special” occasion car. I was 100% ready to buy a GTS if I wasn’t able to get a Spyder, they’re FANTASTIC cars. I just preferred the looks of the Spyder, and for a weekend/special occasion car, the other quirks and “drawbacks” don’t really affect me any. Either way, I don’t think you can go wrong with basically any 718 variant!
The spyder is the best looking soft top convertible. The performance, handling and design are top notch. It’s a shame they purposely dumped it down with a poorly geared transmission.
I definitely agree. The gear ratios don't bother me THAT much, but I will say, if this car had a shorter gear setup and a proper exhaust, it would be a perfect car.
I just got a 718 Spyder. I heard and read all the bashing of the tall geared transmission. This is a race car from the race (GT) division of Porsche. Frankly I just don't have issue with the gears. If anything it adds to the allure of this car. As another video stated. A race car you can drive on the road. I think it's just cool it'll go 100+ in third.
Almost disliked the video for the, "This is not really a daily car." comment.
That’s something a 911 fan would say 🧐
992 Speedster has the GT3 na engine, and top down driving. Unfortunately even harder to get than a GT3. Which exhaust are you thinking?
Have they released the 992 Speedster yet? The Speedsters are AWESOME, but I didn't even mention it because they're basically unobtainable. I was leaning towards Kline, Cargraphic, or Soul Performance. I've got a friend who's got a GT4 with a Kline and it sounds fantastic. Definitely a setup with an x-pipe design.
@@charliemanger Meant 991 Speedster . . . Klines do sound good! I like the JCR as well!
The speedster unfortunately has a similar back end of a 911 cab except for the buttresses. Sadly I can afford it, but visually it’s also a no go 😂
Ought to get a new GT3RS then! About the same price bracket.
120k can buy probably a Toyota or Honda in Singapore.
718's way more fun and racy to drive than my 991.2 , 911S model
Nice! I wish I was in your situation and had both!
@@charliemanger
Before them I had 2 TRUCKS !
RAPTOR and 2 door Tremor, Ford little race truck 2014 only
Eye-spy a Hodinkee G-Shock as well …
Good catch! God Tier!
he forgot to mention that the engine is naturally aspirated
Dang it, you’re right. One of the best reasons is because it’s naturally aspirated! lol
The 6th point will probably be the fact that its value will increase over the time !
Very true! Definitely hopeful of that, but you’ve got to buy what you love first! It’s just a bonus if they happen to increase in value!
It’s really hard to choose this over a C8 Z51.
For sure! I would just say, ask yourself why you want the car to begin with. If it’s for pure performance numbers over everything, then you simply can’t beat a C8 for the price. They’re crazy value for money. But, in terms of a special feeling, driver engaged, tactile experience, the Porsche is hands down the better car for that person. Unfortunately, the manual transmission was the biggest killer for me on C8s.
Great video and viewpoint. That spec is atrocious though. I can usually appreciate any porsche and the spyder is very difficult to ruin but someone succeeded here.
Solid point!
Real sports cars and race cars are hard tops, when’s the last time you saw a race car track with a rag top?
Early 2000s Le Mans Prototype class cars, Porsche 917/30, Porsche 936, lots of 1960s sports car racing cars (original Shelby Cobra), and every single Formula 1 car for the past 70+ years. No rag tops, but they're definitely open top race cars, just to name a few!
That car belongs in california
Perfect weather for it!