The Pop Music/Junk Food Connection
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- In this episode we explore the The Addictive Nature of Pop Music.
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despite all of the negative comments, Rick's channel byline is "Everything Music" - not just elitist mathrock djentified nosebleed metal, not just holy grail classic rock, not just flannel flying grunge lords, not just PhD level music theory ...
like it or not, music is music.
objectifying or ridiculing any music because you do not care for the genre is rather pedantic and infantile.
personally, i loathe pop music. i chose not to listen to it. however, my wife and 12 yo daughter love music that i don't.
doesn't mean i am gonna leave them over it.
ITS. JUST. MUSIC.
they don't really care for the metal i listen to. they really hate when i spin old school d&b. hip hop? forget it.
but, that is why i bought headphones.
so, before you get all keyboard warrior and start waving your opinions around, think about how your mom would feel if she read your comment.
Michael Getz What Michael said! Even my 11 year old son throws shade at me because of that song :) Should I have titled it “why do people hate crappy music?” I not sure how that is productive. You know, they will have computers generating this kind of pop in the next couple years even though it seems like these humans are doing it much in the same way now lol.
Michael Getz - I think Rick is great and I love his channel but that doesn't mean I'm reticent to express my opinion as to whether or not I like a piece of music, and throwing around terms such as "objectifying", "pedantic", "elitist" or "infantile" doesn't make me less inclined to do so - I'm not that fragile. The fact is I also love much of pop music, as I do jazz, classical, rock and country. But in each genre there are many examples that I dislike - for example, what's happened to much of country music makes me nauseous. Jazz players who just throw around their chops to impress are not to my liking - I'll take two notes from Miles and Bill Evans over all the Jazz School grads and their thousand note formulas. Of course, anyone is free to like this kind of formula pop, and I won't consider them less of a person (for whatever their reason), and if four-year-olds get off on it, more power to them. But for me music isn't just music, in the sense that it's merely disposable as a temporary diversion (not that it can't legitimately be that for many) - for me it runs deeper than that. So, everyone should feel free to express their opinion, don't you think?
"so, before you get all keyboard warrior and start waving your opinions around, think about how your mom would feel if she read your comment."
I want the whole internet to read this.
LifeOnTheEdge my Mom was a teen in the 80s so I think she can handle it. Modern pop probably sounds worse to her ears than it does to mine.
@@92ninersboy just to clarify, i never said people should not have opinions, or express them.
i merely suggested that they think about how they word them, before they state them publicly.
This is why I’m subscribed to Rick, he likes what he likes and doesn’t apologize for it. He’ll break it down in a way that I can understand why he feels the way he feels. And seeing him jam to this song with a smile on his face was probably the best thing I’ve seen all week. Thanks Rick, great video!
Thanks!
I couldn't agree less! This is why I subbed in the first place! Be yourself!
that song is ass and sounds like 90% of pop music within that sub-genre
@@Sanctifiers Do you feel better now?
@@Sanctifiers Who shot your dog?
This is the first time ever hearing this song.
EDIT: This is not where I had seen these replies going...at all. I hope everyone else in attendance read it thoroughly because it is chock full of goodies worth enriching your mind and soul from now and here on out through the rest of your ever-music-loving lives.
*"SONG"*
It's a scientific project not a song lol
@@brianfriedman101 It is crap made on some girls iPad.
Do you live in the U.K.? That's probably why
I think I've heard hundreds of versions of this song.
I can't wait for the April fools rick astley what makes this song so great
Actually, this could very well be a viral video
It's better than some of todays garbage
@@RayzaEFC It IS today's Autotune garbage.
@@wishnewsky no
@@W4TRI okay np :D sounds fair.
“I like it because it has singing in it”
She’s the next Anthony Fantano
you're dissing my boy Anthony?
No, I’m joking
I think any musician can like simple pop music, just as a master chef can enjoy fast food every now and then, and an auteur film maker can have fun watching any movie with The Rock in it.
Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle is a masterpiece. You take that back!
Love this! Don’t dismiss things out of hand.
A friend of mine used to say, “ I understand many things but I tolerate very few.”
Great breakdown of this song and the fast food analogy really works. Most pop music in the last 15-20 years sounds like music made by recording engineers and music theorists and marketers, not musicians.
Thank you for NOT adding the divisive nature so many music academics fall into Rick. It is important to give credit to where credit is due no matter how unlikeable a genre has gotten. Other wise musicians just stay in their own little groups and nothing is all that creative. Its good leadership.
@@saddestchord7622 I am a music academic and I am not going to feel bad about it or apologize for it just because you are not. Furthering your education grows you, it challenges your own assumptions and give your more skills to understand more (about music) and more about peoplw. Mentors in music come from all different walks of life. I will not feel bad that I study music at an advanced level nor should anyone else. And PS I have studied Rock orchestrations they are not all "simpler". That is a gross and simply false exaggeration.
@@saddestchord7622 oh yes okay I got you know. Yes music genre snobbery is horrible. All genres and all musicians have it so its not uncommon for the audience to have the prejudice also.
Its extremely hard to compare music. What qualifies as simple or depthful. The orchestration is reslly simple with all those artists. Their lyrics are political and ranty and most importantly in their earlier careers they were not showing virtuosity.
Although i like woody Guthrie Bob Dylan John Lennon and Leonard Cohen for the depthfulness of poetry, i find their vocal quality pretty lacking. It was a bug deal back then but it has set a bad precendent for now. Now every texture harmonically or vocally is leading towards a sparse sound and its also the trend in rap as rappers take half singing half talking melody lines like drake versus what they did in the 90s where they wounded like another instrument.
Okay
I feel you now.
Thanks @Jaimee Lee-Baggley , it’s always refreshing to see an intelligent youtube comment - when inclusion and open mindedness is so out of fashion right now.
@@jaimeeleebaggley Dont feel bad mame. The world is pretty egocentric and narcissistic anyways. Dont feel bad if you go on to give bad advice to people and destroy their lives if possible plzzzz. Dont at all feel bad for anything plsss.
@@jaimeeleebaggley John lennon's voice lacks depth...??? !!! What a questionable opinion of a music "academic" !!!!!
Talking pop music with a double Marshall stack in the background...epic!
With regard to the junk-food/pop-music correlation, I'm inclined to state:
We are overfed, yet malnourished.
Exactly! 👍🏻😎
I really like pop music from before 2012 but I agree.
The Food analogy is helpful. Thanks
This comment has been helpful, thanks.
Helpful in making me hungry.
The amount of times I’ve hear food analogies through music school xD
Friend: C major tastes like soap while Eb major is like warm rich ramen the fills your soul
Me: What the... %*#€ are you talking about 😂
That feeling of disgust after eating at McDonalds, I get that pretty much instantly when I hear this song and the hundreds of versions of it.
Well McDonald's is where they play this crap. Gotta have a shitty soundtrack to go along with the shitty "food" and "service"
me too...i have to turn this 'song' off after a few secs....it makes me feel bit sick..like junk food, which i rarely eat.
You know in the later video he explains the whole formula and why it works right?
McDonald's is seriously disgusting, I had to throw up after eating that garbage 2 times
I hate that type of mainstream pop songs, but love that Rick approaches everything with no prejudice, just "everything music". Best music channel on YT!
To me, this song sounds like an americanized Indian Bollywood song. It's exactly the same rhythmic feel.
Bollywood meets Muslim call to Prayer.
@@stasstolat533 LOL that's the hook
Bollywood mixed with Shakira type Latin America and some Jamaica.
I thought it's latin-styled beat.
@@noone-jw4gm it is. bollywood was inspired by that.
Frequency's, chord progressions and production no matter what genre get me. If the frequency layer with space and the melody is killer it hit's the spot for me too Rick.
I think you must definitley review Tame Impala.
How many people can describe with words how music sounds? Eloquently and articulately explained. Bravo. (Also seems like a lot devices from old school electronica have been adopted into modern pop.)
Your analogy of pop music and junk food is really spot on. Great video Rick!
The music is as heavily engineered as the photographs and videos are photoshopped. Plastic music.
But I appreciate the work that has gone in engineering them all.
I just prefer character over photoshop/autotunes
That's actually a pretty good analogy. Nowadays, music is less a musicians's thing, and more a producer's thing. As photos are more about the edition than the picture itself.
Whether is good or bad is not up to us really, but as any other change in any industry, we need to find our spot. If someone likes autotuned vocals because of how they sound over the sound of a good singer (Even if it's the same person's voice), it their right.
@@JettoDz I almost share you opinion. I just would like to correct your "music is less a musicians's thing" to "chart music is less a musicians's thing". Luckily, there are lots of good musicians out there making lots of good music. They just don't chart. But they sell enough to make a living.
@@WromWrom That either implies that any sort of "non-chart" music has no way to make it to a chart or that "chart-music" is not music to begin with.
I don't know, but a blueprint from an Architect or a Civil Engineer has the same kind of weight to me. "Chart music" is more production sided, but it's music in the end. Think of Rick to begin with, he goes on to listen the song in this video and took the chance to go to Bach's Museum.
Like, if any of the 'non chart' muscians you follow end up top-10 in billboard for whatever song, would you stop following them?
It's like the mixer is the artist using the singer as an instrument. Instead of a singer they could replace the sound with a keyboard or something.
@@shack8110 That wouldn't even be the problem. Many a producer gets guest singers into the studio to sing what s/he has thought about. It's this grooming the music to be charteable (which arguably is not a new thing - see how the Monkees got together) that I consider a bad thing.
I appreciate the sonic science techniques that the producers are implementing, but I think the part that is still the most addictive to fans of pop music is basically just love lyrics set to a danceable beat--as it always has been, ever since...
Doesn't that mean there is something to it, BECAUSE it's ever since and always like that?
And don't you think a touch by composer from Rick's community can make this kind of music even a little better -- if it's going to be around no matter what? ;)
Obviously, what you mention is the “conscious” part of the song, but with very sutil music arrangements the effect multiply
I've always loved pop music because for me I can hear master-level production and engineering. Like Rick says I can appreciate things that are really well done.
Pop is definitely the fast food/junk food of the music world. Great video as always Mr. Rick!
My heart leaped when you brought in Cory Henry's "Lingus" solo. I still remember the first time hearing that and having my mind blown.
Sounds Weird such an amazing song. I remember being blown away by it the first time I heard it and I continued to listen to it a lot. Then I finally saw the video of them performing live and had my mind blown again.
Rick needs to analyze that song. I’d love to hear his thoughts on it.
Snarky Puppy 💓
I literally jumped up shouting "LINGUS" prompting my parents to come and see what's wrong with me haha
Come on, Rick, if you're gonna reference "Lingus" then you gotta do an analysis of it for us!
That beat is in so many pop tunes!
Dembow/Reggaeton beat, definitely really hot right now in top 40 pop
There are so many pop tunes in this beat! Also yet unwritten ones
If a song moves you, it moves you. It doesn't really matter what genre it comes from. I think it's funny when people stick to their genre whatever it maybe when they are listening to music or expressing and professing what they like and everything else is horrible, but when they watch a movie whether it's a score or a carefully chosen song that goes well in the scene they get moved by it even if it's a "pop" song. They just don't realize it or won't admit it.
dylan straight up zoned in on that fortnite lol
You should do a video on Sophie or PC Music. They basically take these concepts to the most extreme, warped level. An analysis of some ultra dense pop hellscapes would definitely help people understand what goes into pop music.
SOPHIE has substance though. I love pc music stuff but not pop. It just makes me hate pop music more when I hear people in the "underground" doing something more meaningful.
Hate pop, ( while secretly loving it), all you want but the production, arrangement & vocal melodies in this track are genius.
That’s funny you mentioned Telephone.. my favorite Gaga track.
I think a lot of genres (like metalcore), can sound redundant including death metal, punk, hardcore, thrash, black, etc.,
More so when one is not a fan of the genre.
I can’t stand this type of vocal, melody, song... even for a second.
esdfg what about it bothers you?
esdfg, that smooth, breathy, mumbly, produced-to-the-millisecond, vocal without a cause, that sounds more propelled that sung?
@@JohnnyArtPavlou Auto tune.
@esdfg grow a pair ;)
Same man
Makes me want to punch through a wall.
Register changes are important contrasts that can evoke a sense of surreal suspension ,
or the lack of. Jazz does it, classical .It's a important element that can create tension, and release.
Here , it's predictive moment that sets up movement, and promotes conjunction between the registers in dance.
Think of the high registers as hands , and then the lows as humps. It's a fun way in pairing the two.
What did Miles say, _what about the melody_
Thank you Rick some of the best "What makes this song great" episodes I've listened to are of songs I either don't like at all or didn't see any merit in until you've broken them down. As a fan of photography and specifically advertising photography I look at photos sometimes with the same idea which you look at music, specifically what makes you tick or grabs you when you're not aware of the "why" behind it all. All your videos are awesome thanks so much for the time and effort involved in making these videos and sharing them with all of us. I love all the " What makes this song great" videos regardless of whether or not I personally like or dislike the song. Keep up the great work I can't say enough how much its appreciated.
Basically what I’ve been saying about pop music these last few decades. Spot on.
The problem with listening to POP music is that if you are a musician (or especially a composer) it starts to contaminate your musical imagination. You come up in your process of improvising or composing with similar ideas (that you have heard in those songs, and what is often worst, you are not aware of it. I do not mean that you will start to compose in a very same way but some melodic, rhythmic ideas will be reproduced. imagine that you are a painter and someone exposes you to Instagram content for a very long time. With the high probability, it will influence your process of creation. That's why we should be very preoccupied with the quality of music(that surrounds us because it will become "a part of us" (even if we hate it). That's why music which is manufactured can be dangerous for us, the very same way Junk food is dangerous for our health. Thanks a lot, Rick for this video! I really liked the comparison of POP music to Junk food ;) Best wishes from Warsaw!
The Addictive Nature of Pop Music, this should be a series Rick!
chiefindisguise good idea
Dude, I just wanted you to know that I watched this video when I got into my office today, scrapped my intended lesson plans in music theory, and spent the class analyzing this song and your comments instead. Appogiaturas, inversions, deceptive cadences - all awesome stuff. I (and my class) thank you.
That beat is used a lot in pop now and I think I first heard it down in the carribean about 15 years ago.
Fun fact: her mom is Neneh Cherry!
I've never heard this song before. But I've heard it a million times before.
Amen to that.
So she's singing over Wicked Game by Chris Isaak? lol
I thought the same instantly when I listened the first part.
Chris has an unfair monopoly over that chord progression in my opinion
Every song sounds like at least two other songs at this stage of the game. So what?
It’s impossible to hear or to know of every song ever recorded. When writing a song you’re generally not thinking about someone else’s song. Hopefully, when you’re finished with a song, it’s on the original side of the equation.
Ha - I started playing Wicked Game after Rick called out the chords!
This episode's a breath of fresh air. I usually tune in for 20th century rock WMTSG because I'm sick of today's music seemingly sounding all the same. But I love the WMTSG style analysis on this song, helps me appreciate what's actually on the radio these days. That said, I miss hearing real instrument-based songs in diverse genres, less about parties and breakups and more about real life, and very sparing use of expletives. I used to think these ideas of good music are timeless, and am hating that the radio seems to be proving me otherwise. Thank you for doing what you do, Rick. Your channel is where I feel music listeners like me still have a place to belong in today's world.
The Sound of Muzak from Porcupine Tree is the only thing that comes to my mind when I hear something like this....
Music of rebellion makes you wanna rage. But it's made by millionaires who are nearly twice your age
Listen to I Hate Music by Reign of Kindo
Yep. Agreed. I always can appreciate the amount of work been done on pop hits even if I don't listen to them. People who are not into music theory and production are not expecting anything from music, they just enjoy it. We are making it and it's our work to give joy to people who are just coming from work or chilling. Except for heavy music. It's just better in general. In every way. Try me.
I'm sorry Rick but I am as excited about this song as Dylan is.
love ur open mind. i also been like this about music for a couple years now . theres a lot of interesting revelations you come upon when you start listening to music you would not have before and try to understand what makes it go in ur mind from boring generic pop.. to being fascinated by the simplicity of it and why is this so loved and listened to so much.. then the third eye opens and start respecting the in between the lines and objective analytic to music people love and also you start loving it too.. respect bro.
Sorry but: Rick: "Dylan you know that song. "Don''t call me up" why do I like it?"...Dylan "I have no idea!" Me: LMAO.
I thought that was hilarious too :) I love those kids.
Rick Beato I’m gonna keep my eye out for when Dylan rocks the music world!
Rick I’ve been telling my students this for years!! hyper palatable music that’s very easy to ingest and is designed to for instant gratification. It’s a signature BUT familiar flavour (ie Big Mac vs whopper) same basic thing but also very specific (at least when it’s well done) . A very specific combination of sugar, salt, fat, and then the texture and the “umami” the signature “savoury” flavour. Pop music really does parallel exactly with junk food.
Does that make it bad?
There was a point in my life where pop music was music I listened to on the radio. Then it turned into work music, when I did a lot of factory work for a brief stint in my teens. And nowadays it's shop music that I hear when I go in and out of shops. I end up gaining an appreciation of the good examples (and this is one) simply due to how comparatively much of a downer the supremely annoying bad examples are. I end up going for essentials and hoping it'll be one of the good ones playing. So in a roundabout way I'm more into pop music than I've been in a fair while (allowing for the fact that what gets defined as pop music changes a lot more than any other genre, making it almost a psuedo-genre unless you're limiting to a specific time period).
Interesting breakdown of a few things from this one. I get really sick of the formulas and I think the craft of these addiction scientists actually falls down a bit from their overreliance on them, even in the sense of doing what they're intending to do. It reminds me of a trading cards tournament I entered once. I got 5th out of 64 people simply by playing against what I knew everyone else was playing (even though I didn't even have all the cards I wanted, so a real ramshackle effort), and how I knew that was everybody in general copying everyone else. People would just look up what tournament winners were running, and run that with only minor adjustments - whereas I'd want to craft my own thing from scratch (and put character value into winning that way). When you get too similar like that, people know what's coming and it becomes way more defeatable. I think a similar thing happens with pop music. The more formula proves success, the more it tends to crush its own success a lot - not enough for an overall cancelling out of the potency of the strategy, but definitely enough that you can have a huge distaste for particular songs.
But a song like this can use all of those formulas and somehow sneak them by me. And that's a masterful instance of that craft. That it takes a video going into depth on a song I honestly would not have sought out an in-depth analysis of in order for me to notice some incredibly commonplace things about it, that I think is what they're truly aiming for if they're on the formula wagon as entirely as they tend to be. Stealth formula, hidden by catchiness. And catchiness is so underrated and so tricky to do truly well; the difference between feeling into something or feeling pestered by something.
I generally prefer areas of music that don't tread the line of deliberate annoyance as a means to hook in quite as much as pop. They all have their formulas too of course but they don't tend to be as hyper-prioritized to just the one aim - it's more of a thing among other things. However even that contrast itself has gained me an appreciation of formula in other genres where I mightn't otherwise have it, which has definitely shaped my own songwriting over the years as whether I've always wanted to admit it or not (and gradually I've come to a place of being proud of it), I write very formulaic stuff. Not pop-formulaic. Perhaps put in better terms, not pop-uninventive. But nevertheless leaning on a hell of a lot of standards.
I think that the thing the human brain naturally recoils from is not the presence of sameness but instead the supposition of the total elimination of the possibility of any difference. The more it seems like something is specifically locked off rather than merely unlikely, that's when it becomes feeling like a problem and you get that natural repulse from it. Pop does definitely play to that, even despite that you still get a few surprizes every now and then. But they are rare enough that the feeling creeps through nonetheless.
I think actually the main area pop could do with a kick in the butt about is the themes rather than the music. Even though this song doesn't annoy me like some others do, it's still the thousandth additional weekly episode of "clubbing amirite". Come on guys. Do you really not have anything else to write about? You put so much effort into the production, try to put a bit more into the meaning. It can be done. It has been done. That's the one area where I'd flatly say "try harder".
Your videos always get me thinking. :) Hope I'm not being too annoying myself with my long rambling comments.
Thank you Rick. You have the credibility and knowledge to back you up here and say what every true music lover thinks. This is the perfect video for every EDM fanboy I ever met in my life. Usually these kind of people will get easily offended if you try and explain them why you don't enjoy their stuff as much. They don't even want to understand. Its also mostly teenagers who listen to that stuff. These songs get composed with the intention to hook teenagers. And heck, they will eat it. It's disgusting. In our time now, it's all about catching the attention span. Just one example, 'Gucci Gang' urgh. Why does stuff like that get so much attention. Everything is commercialised, there is no mystery anymore, zero to little appreciation for actual skills like composing and playing an Instrument except you are a multi talentet genius like John Mayer. Where is the art? People should be trained to get more conscious about when they're being fed by a product. But well, people are mostly all lazy and ignorant. Aswell as there are several Books in the world, that a human should read because they will expand your horizon, so there are several records. Most people don't even know they can train their ear to liking new things. They don't even try. Their taste is based purely on influences of the media. Too freaking many people never brake this cycle. What can we do about it? I'd say get kids in school to listen to some records. School of Rock!!! I am 23, own around 1500 CD's/LP's, play guitar aswell and write my own songs, and I feel very sad about how this generation treats and values art. Little people appreciate the craft behind it. Thanks again Rick for educating hundred thousands of people. You fight on the right side, and the truth will always sustain.
why do you like that song?
idk because it has singing in it
hahahaha
It's quite a big selling point tho, instrumental music rarely was in the top 10 since the 1950s or so.
"What makes this song great (to some people)" is a great way to break elitists into analysing what makes pop music interesting and effective. There are so many tricks in modern pop that I have seen help in all styles of music to make something people don't forget easily. It's a psychology thing as much as a music thing. Rick, you have it nailed; I'd love to see a video on how you take those musical elements from pop, and apply it in a compositional sense.
Your analogies are very interesting and spot on. Im glad I have the ability to appreciate almost everything I hear. My musical guilty pleasures are endless and this will be added to the guilty pleasure vault for the same reason you point out. I think my composing skills would be stagnate if I limited my listening experience to only technically advanced music.
thanks for this Rick, i observe that people into the technical side of things tend to underestimate commercial pop productions, which is a huge mistake because one gets surprised when one delves a little bit deeper into what's happening in these tunes in terms of songwriting, composition, production and mixing...great song btw
Diggin" up the craft in the junkfood, very nicely done Rick!
Totally not liking the music, but the arranging and production is phenomenal!
It's a good habit, trying to look for the things you DO like rather than what you don't. The latter one seems a lot easier then the former if I take a half look at the comments. Seperate the craft from the taste guys...
What's cool about this is Rick's ear for clever writing. Often the writing is the composition of the notes, and he is REALLY aware (I almost said in tune with... ;) ) of how this is all put together. Calculated? Maybe.
This is music class folks. I like this class.
*CAN'T WAIT FOR RICK BEATO EXPLAINS SERTANEJO UNIVERSITÁRIO*
só faltava isso
Oh God, yes please!
Haushsishss boa
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i love it at 5:22 when the drop kicks in and rick still stresses the first beat even though the aim of the upbeat rythm is to create a temporary unbalance that the audience can catch up to a beat or two later.
It's like a cardboard container of nuggets and fries with an artificial thick shake. Just something to take up space in our stomachs or air waves.. It sounds so good on car speakers that the car owner shares it (imposes it on us) by playing loud enough to hear fifty feet away. Sitting at a sporting event as a captive audience people have no choice but to get to get pummeled with it. i'd like to be able to walk down the frozen foods aisle without being reminded of my (or anyone else's) past heartaches,. Nor have them driven into my head like a synthwave of Sonny Liston jabs. That's just how I feel about it, now get out of my yard! : )
Rick I love the fact you appreciate ALL types of music. I'm of the opinion that no matter how commercial or noncommercial a song is, there is always something in it that I can learn a take away from. Also you should make a full length trailer for the Beato book where you emerge out of the mountains holding up the Beato book like it's the ten commandments. I'm serious!
Rick, I understand that this and other tunes has some interesting stuff, and I agree with that. What I'm not sure if I agree is that these elements are really what makes people like it. I always thought that is was a cultural thing. Pop music is playing everywhere you go and is so easy to access by the masses. If you take the swing era for example. Oldschool swing had a lot of interesting elements that made it catchy at the time. And people where really into it. Why aren't people into oldschool swing nowadays? I think it's because people listen to whatever is playing on the radio, without looking further for more things.
I so agree with this comment! Thats it. Its not the notes..
This was really top notch! Good analysis, subject, info, delivery, just a great video over all!
Very good description... I ultimately like 95% of all music, and I like your technical break down, of why many types of music are good... Pop is in the category of... At first its like why, and then begrudgingly admitting to liking it, to it becoming an iconic song you really like years later...
When "its all about the bass" came out, both me and my gf looked at each other in disgust... You admit to liking that song, Im not talking to you (sarcastically of course)... It only took a week, and we both liked it, with annoyance of course...
There are many others... I will leave you with this one... I got picked on in the late 80's, because... Tears For Fears / The Cure / Metallica / Slayer / New Kids..... You're not a true metal head... lol... I have always liked everything, but admittedly the 90's forward, has been an adjustment.
Don't you feel kind of ear-raped by some of this new stuff? Like it's forced upon you? With a food analogy, it's like you like it because it's packed full of sugar, not because it's good for you, and you eat so much of it, you're disgusted with yourself. That's just me though
Rick I really dig the breakdown of the arrangements and production, but the beauty of music is that it is so diverse. Some of us cannot survive on a steady diet of McDonald's and Clear Channel. Our musical appetite is too great. This song, because of its production, has been stripped of all feeling and edge that a human can produce. Your mention of musical dissonance and tension as contributing factors to why it's great can still exist without auto tune, without programmed drums, without programmed anything. Those elements are only there because listeners are now programmed to only enjoy a product that goes down as easy as a sip of water. And deep down I think you would agree. The best music has some sort of edge, whether it comes from instruments, lyrics, unexpected arrangements (time signatures, key changes, etc.), aggression, restraint, sound barrage or space, or volume and dynamics changes, or god forbid a real frickin voice. there are so many great combinations to choose from. And most people are passive bystanders and take their musical enjoyment from pop radio (fill in the blank for genre) and they really don't know any better. People deserve better than the drivel being thrown at them.
Sorry, That was a bit much. I still love most of your videos. dont block me!
It's not necessarily a bad thing that pop music is addictive.
If you are addicted to the music then that is a good sign as it is good music.
I have heard very generic entry level music that many elitists would consider the norm for "pop music", it really isn't and i've heard great pop music that is catchy and very rich production wise examples such as don't call me up, into you, hold it against me, starships and piece of your love.
You've put into words what my mind's been mulling over for years. Also, food analogy is spot on! Thanks!
hey Rick - always awesome analysis but at 1:06 -1:20 all i can hear is Wicked Game by Chris Isaak without the vibrato. Great job though! let the lawyers of Marvin Gaye start the phone calls.......
Seriously. They mash well. I am pretty sure it is the same key. Damn now I want to mash them. Cool observation. I am saying thus genuinely. Now i really want to play them at the same time.
Please no, that lawsuit set a dangerous precedent.
lol, the Marvin Gaye lawyers
Thanks; I was going to say it if no one else had.
@@eclecticmuso yes THAT lawsuit......sigh .....................at 3:26 odd interval - i'm still hearing "i never dreamed i'd meet somebody ......"
A true music guru. Learning heaps. Best music channel by far. Thanks heaps for what you do!
I'm starting to understand why these songs are so infectious, thanks Rick! Great explanation and comparison
What makes this song great is the best series on youtube. The thing I like about Rick is his appreciation for such broad range of musical styles.
Be great to see a "What makes this pop song so addictive video!"
I wish people would just accept him doing it on the show he already has for that exact purpose
I was talking about a running series like "What makes this song great," but thanks Grand Ma for the sage advice.
Anytime, sonny!!!
My little heart went all aflutter when you showed the scientist working in a cell culture hood. I’m a cancer biologist who really loves your videos about the music industry. Congrats on one million subscribers :)
I admire your open mindedness. I personally can’t stand that garbage.
I agree, performance + production = great song. Performance is melody + timing + harmony + rhythm + song writing.
I hear Bollywood influences.
Bollywood makes shitty music... eventually it is destroying classical bollywood music....
I would like to say classical Indian music....kk, fossils, cactus, Indian Ocean, gangster movie's song...etc much more better than today's bollywood music.... obviously Indian music industry is not that good when it comes to making pure art ... that actually influence other people ......
That's why Indian music doesn't influence any new generation.... it's makes something ... most of the people doesn't understand ....raga music .. I would like to call it as a ancient music...
@@painpeace3619 classical Bollywood was fuckin amazing
Thanks, Rick...you never cease to surprise me!!! 💗💗💗
Thanks Shauna!
@@RickBeato - You're very welcome, Rick...you rock!!! 💗💗💗
I wanna say I've never heard this song before, but it's a top 40 tune so I honestly couldn't tell you since they're all the same song.
I need a friend like you who shares my same fascination with the mechanics of pop music lol. I could go on for days on how interesting everything about it is
That's a good analogy Rick. It may be addictive like Cheetos but maybe it's not so good for you either. Having grown up listening to 50s, 60s and up, I just don't get the musicality of pop music today. There is no soul to it. The primary reason is it used to be people did it for the love of music, now it's about making money.
I've often used the McDonalds analogy for the pop music industry. Another one I've come up with is for instrumental music vs songs ... It's like the difference between reading a book with no pictures and a magazine, without going into too much detail.
Just read through some of the heated comments about subjectivity and music and stuff. Just wanted to add my two cents - I love your stuff, and totally agree that there is lots of value in simply appreciating a well-crafted tune, even if it isn’t totally original in many aspects. As for subjectivity, I think there is something to be said for not being completely devoid of any sense of “better or worse” art - opinions are valuable, and we should be able to have a discussion around what is of higher or lower quality. That said, though, it is imperative that you treat your opinions as opinions and not as facts. I have argued with someone who said that jazz is “the highest form of music” because of x y z. I called them an elitist. Sure, you can feel that jazz is the best music, but don’t come off like that makes you or it inherently and factually better than everything else. Have some flexibility and an open mind. Try to expand you’re idea of what is good or bad, and push your comfort zone.
I feel the same. Some of my favourite "What makes this song great?" episodes have been the pop songs. They're fantastic.
That percussion rhythm is a Reggaeton beat--super popular these days.
Despite whatever compositional/arrangement/production tricks were used on this cut, this type of music is baby minded, dull, and kind of sad (and I don't mean the emotional content of the lyrics). I can't connect emotionally to a lyric song when the singer's voice is so processed.
I’ve noticed that pop songs nowadays use a well established formula for what “sounds” good to the listener, whilst other genres (prog rock/metal and sub genres) are constantly founding a way to amaze, pushing the boundaries, experimenting and creating something that sticks with you after so many years. No wonder why Black Dog by Zeppelin is such an iconic riff released over 45 years ago!
For me the main problem of pop (most of pop) music, like for example this song, is the lack of intimacy between the audience and artist. I mean the song is written by several different people that are focusing how to please the audience, create a hit song and generate a high ROI. Better listen to someone who has really something to share a story to tell and convey their emotions.
And then are the lyrics itself... don’t call me up...
Yes! Love this! Your open mind and hunger for everything music is amazing! True inspiration and mentoring in one great teacher! Your influence will be heard in the music I produce, for sure!
Was this written this way, or did they take the vocal line and mash it up with a pre-existing backing track? Thinking out loud here...
Personally, I think the "dotted quarter, dotted quarter, quarter rhythm" is kinda tired.
i kinda agree with you
Yeah, the tresillo rhythm gets boring when everyone uses it. But I think it's the combination with another rhythm that will make it interesting, maybe even shifting the rhythm around. Salsa is a good example.
I love this breakdown. Awesome work Rick. Explaining our guilty pleasures without guilt! Love it.
1:36 looks like robocop is in the background
The odd interval jump that you talk about at 3:26 is the same as the start of The Day I Tried to Live by Soundgarden.
Nice spot sir. Agreed!
Music like this always give me a weird feeling that its 3 in the morning and I'm not in a place I should be. I don't know why. I'm an introvert agoraphobic.
Oh for sure. Pop is the music for extroverts (or, for the sake of science, extroverted moments/moods)
From a songwriting and arrangement perspective, it's extremely useful to analyse pop music. Thanks, Rick!
Modern pop is to music what McDonald's is to food. I like this comparison 👍 😂
No. Actually, McDonald is much better than Modern Pop.
There are a ton of great and complex pop and dance songs out there, usually you have to go looking for them. They only seem to play the simple annoying ones on the radio! 📻 I love these kind of videos Rick, you should do more of them! 🤘🏼
Great topic, sir! But still, rock all the way!!!
I eat stuff like this up like a bag of salty potato chips - Rick keeps you wanting more. He should have his own Netflix series - this is seriously educational like no music video I have ever seen.
I have been playing since 1975 and I have learned more in the last couple of years from guys like Rick than at any other combined time in my life. Pure genius.
This stuff doesn't make me bob my head at all. Steely Dan makes me bob my head. I can't feel this.
That's the beauty of opinion. Steely Dan sounds like garbage to me. I can completely hear the talent there (and in this as well). Don't ever want to listen to it again.
Listening to you talk about music reminds me Anthony Bourdain. What he was to the food world...you get me into the same vibe for the music world. Cheers!!
I liked the comparison of junk and nutritious music kkkk
Another part of the "science" of junk food is the texture.. aka the sound in pop music. Great video!
So much intelligence in the production to get the more people listen to it! Stiil I just lost 4 point of IQ listening to it :/
Good Lord! Amazing information here... A very objective analysis, without prejudice. Rick: you're the best.