Anchor Testing Summary. Anchor Video # 100
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- CORRECTION: I forgot to mention the Tip/Total Weight of the 47lb. Excel. It received a rating of "2". However, this parameter WAS included in the final tally. Final tallies, scores, and rankings are accurate. Sorry for the omission.
In this video, I have summarized many years of my anchor testing by comparing the relative performance of numerous popular anchors. Anchors presented include - Bruce, CQR, Danforth, Delta, Excel, Forfjord, Fortress, Knox, Manson, Mantus, Rocna, Sarca, Spade, Ultra, Viking, and Vulcan. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
CORRECTION: I forgot to mention the Tip/Total Weight of the 47lb. Excel. It received a rating of "2". However, this parameter WAS included in the final tally. Final tallies, scores, and rankings are accurate. Sorry for omission.
Thanks Steve, I thought Mantus M1 was going to be closer to Excel, if I’m not wrong Excel performance was not good on Soft Mud compared with Mantus, but you gave 4/5 to Excel on Soft Mud, same as Mantus, did I miss something on the video or they both perform “the same” (similar) on holding power soft mud?
@@marioxtrm Mario, the 47lb. Excel was very good in the soft mud. It was the smaller, 17lb. Excel that suffered in the soft mud.
@@flygoodwin Do mean that if you had not tested the 17lb and only tested the 47lb Excel that you would have given it a 5? Or was there some other issue with the 47 lb in soft mud?
@@richardp55 I would intuitively guess that 5/5 holding in soft mud would only the specialised Danforth be capable of
The biggest complement I can give you is, I sleep well at night. Based on your best of series 3 years ago, I bought a number 6 Sarka Excel and from mud to hard sand and coral rubble, in crazy conditions and places like Indonesia it has held fast, even at short scope. 18 months living on anchor and no problems, Thank you
I got jabaited when I checked the price of a #4. I think they misplaced the decimal because their site says $6000.
This is nothing short of AWESOME!! I am a scientist and really, really appreciate your methodology and lack of bias.
Ditto here for being a scientist and my appreciation for this work!
You are wonderful for doing this and sharing with everyone.
Happy 100th! I really get a lot of good data from your work.
Many thanks.
What a huge and fantastic effort! Thanks so much for sharing your results with the rest of us.
Big thank you for all your efforts.
This is amazing, priceless not to mention thorough, professional and very scientific. Great work, please keep it up.
Your work and videos are impressive! Thank you so much 😊
As always, excellent review. Thank you for your hard work, and these are the most thorough and unbiased reviews I have seen anywhere. Happy 100th, and keep up the good work.
Perfect timing! I'm just in the process of either building my own anchor or buying a new modern anchor, and I've enjoyed many of your older past videos! Looking forward to going through this :-) Thank you for your great work!
Most excellent, thank you. To be honest, you are one of my favorite youtube channels and the information you provide will prove invaluable in the future. Please never sell out.
You are the best!! The dedication to the truth is evident! I look forward to having this amazing source for unbiased anchoring insight. Thank you! PS I got a 45 pound mantus m1 for now
Wow! This is fantastic! I'm just sorting out what to get. Going to do a deep dive through your channel to see what else I can learn. Your methodology and lack of bias are extremely helpful! Thank you!
Outstanding. Thank you. I have a Mantus. So I agree with your fondness. Mantus is a great design. Highly recommended!!!
Thankyou so much for doing all of this invaluable work. This is an epic, unbiased set of reviews based on real world conditions - the stuff that we all need when our lives are ultimately relying on making the right choices. There is nothing fun about dragging anchor in the middle of the night when a front rolls through!!!!!
Thank you for your great testing and honest appraisal.
Great work. I’ve been watching for about two years now. Picked up my 6kg Vulcan today! I love the shank. The welds are humungous. It’ll be far more than I ever need for a 20’ cuddy but I’ll never worry about the anchor working. Thank you very much.
Thanks for these videos. You’re the only person I’ve found who has been unbiased and scientific as possible doing this. Bravo sir, truly impressive and much appreciated. Just what I was looking for yet much much more than I expected.
The amount of work summarized in this video is astounding.
Outstanding work, sir! Much appreciated.
Congratulations Steve, another excellent video! (& idle thought while watching you deliver so much concise information and data in free speech: how the "performance" of our politicians we see every day on TV compares unfavourably, what with them reading blabla BS from paper...)
We sat through Cyclone Gabrielle on tandem anchors. We were in Kiwiriki Bay off Fitzroy Harbour on Great Barrier Island NW of Auckland NZ. Nearby wind recordings were 82, 83, and 84 knots (100 mph) and the eye passed close to the E of us. Our yacht is a relatively light Pogo1250, maybe 7T with cruising gear. Our primary anchor was an S80 Spade (16Kg) with 30m of 8mm chain and 60m of 14mm warp. Our second anchor was a 16Kg Lewmar Delta with 15m of 8mm chain and 50m of 14mm warp. The second anchor and chain etc was run down the warp of the primary anchor on a gaff span shackle. The shank of the Delta was shackled to the gaff span shackle at the same hole as the chain was fixed. ie the Delta hung down below the warp in the correct orientation to grab the bottom. The Delta ran down the primary warp and would have stopped at the warp to chain splice. At worst it would act as a kellet. Optimally it would hold the primary chain horizontally along the bottom. Critically both anchors operate in line in tandem. I have used this system successfully over many years in winds of around 60 kts. I tend to set up the second anchor when the wind gets above 40-45 kts. I can set the second anchor well to windward without needing to launch a RIB. I appreciate the wind load on the boat doubles between 60 mph and 100 mph. During Cyclone Gabrielle we dragged twice. I could see from my plotter that we had dragged around 20m initially and then a further 10m on a second drag. I cannot be sure which anchor stopped either drag. We had high land around us and the squalls were horrendous. We were being slewed sideways at around 1.7 kts. Motoring to windward proved impractical due to the slewing. We have now sold the Lewmar Delta and retired the Spade to second anchor status. I purchased a Sarca Excel, largely as a result of your comparative anchor testing, as our primary anchor. We have been impressed with the Excel though have yet to use it in extreme conditions.
This is just an awesome video. Everyone who owns a boat should watch this.
Congrats on 100 vids!
Nice one Steve! I think I have watched all 100 videos on the day they came out, so I am giving myself a 5 for holding power!
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@@flygoodwin Steve, we are developing a Ti anchor. Would you be interested in testing it? It is a 21 lb anchor with larger dimensions.
Bob Bolderson
hi Steve, well done!!! Super summary of a lot of excellent work, chapeau!
Steve,
Very, very useful summary, thanks.
Robert
Brilliant work! Thank you!
Thank God for your obsession! I boat camp on a 20 ft pontoon boat Hudson Florida Gulf Coast and there are tons of seagrass areas. Needless to say I never sleep I'm always worried I'll wake up in the middle of the golf. I pull into the mangroves to sleep for the night where the waves and the tides won't rip me off but I still worry like crazy because there is nothing but seagrass . When the tide goes down I like to sit on the ground that's when I sleep like a rock . now with your dedication and research I will select the correct anchor for me and I should get better sleep because that's kind of driving me nuts to the point where I don't even want to go out sometimes I mean I'm out there to enjoy myself not cause myself more stress. Thanks fellow admiral of the sea!
Thanks again for your great work !!!!!
Uli from Germany
Hi Steve
Thanks for all of your testing. I have watched most of your videos. I am 68 and planning to circumnavigate. To me the anchor is the final line of defence on a lee shore. I have settled on a Sarca Excell 36kg. My yacht is a Swanson 42 and has circumnavigated 1.5 times. I want to do another lap. As I am going solo, defence is important. The original anchor was 40lb CQR. I feel confident the 36kg will give me all the holding power with 80 metres of 50mm x 10mm chain. The cool thing for me is Sarca are made near my home in Victoria, Australia. Great channel, thanks. I’ll try to support you for your effort. Kind regards, Ian Williams “Resolution”
You clearly never been at anchor in a storm.
After circumnavigating I doubt it
Outstanding work, sir. My sailboat boat came with a Delta. I was considering "upgrading" to a Rocna. My Delta has never dragged (all chain rode). After watching this video, I've decided to stick with my Delta. Keep up the good work!
Steve I should mention that my last anchor was a 88lb Delta , on a 53 ft heavy displacement sailboat .
Your findings on the Delta a absolutely right , most of the time it performed perfectly, but on occasion in the wrong bottom it found it hard to set .
Silty soft mud , kelp and weed . I do not like the bolted together anchors , bad engineering in the marine environment. Crevice corrosion on the bolts , loads in shear , and a recipe for disaster. The same goes for Swivels , do not use on a boat period . I have seen too many fail .
We lived full time for 13 years on our big boat , all on the hook . And had some close encounters.
How often have you seen failure on bolt together anchors? I would love to see the evidence. We have been using Spade anchors since 2003. We have done many hundreds of nights at anchor. A superb strong anchor with a bolt through it😀
100th. Congratulations!
Fantastic job! Would like to see tests of Fortress and Poisedin lines. Personally feel overnight anchoring of our cruiser is much more critical dropping a hook to fish from the runabout so most interested in larger anchor testing. Thank you for including soft mud tests as that is what we find over the northern Cheasapeake.
Steve great job always look forward to your videos. Your only
Off by one on the volcan
Looking forward to see the performance of the mantus m2
Great videos
Hopefully they have beefed up the stock as I wouldn't be happy receiving the free replacement stock from Mantus after it has bent at 80 degrees and the boat goes charging through the anchorage maybe helming itself.
@@peterjohnstaples what type of boat do you own
Thank you Steve for your great work , it as helped me in choosing my next anchor .
I think the Rochna Vulcan will work best . All welded construction, very similar in design to the Spade .
The Standard Rocna , I feel has the tip chamfer going the wrong way . It should be ground down, as it is the tip is like a boat hull and will lift rather than help to penetrate down .
Keep in mind that when sitting on the bottom it is angled down much more, the tip doesnt go up when it reaches the bottom, it points down. The upward deflection is so when you pull your anchor you can get it back out.
The perspective you are looking at it, on the table with no chain on it, is not how it sits in the bottom. The shank doesnt fly up in the water, it sits on the bottom.
The tip really isnt a reason to choose one over the other because like I said, how you picture them sitting on the bottom is not how they actually do.
Thank you!
Having owned quite a few of these anchors, I cannot believe that a Bruce out performs Delta and Rocna. Wow!
No way
I love the videos, thanks! I wish you tested the mantus M2
Coming soon!
Great info! Would love to see some tests of savwinch anchors, particularly the slider series. Basically no independent testing out there for them
@37:00 cant wait to see the new tests 😍
i bought a sarca excel #5 and a fortress fx35 due yo your research.
Love my Sarca. Would never consider changing.
I m planning on buying a cruising 45' cat. I was set on the Ultra and now I am looking at the excel. I wander if the largest aluminum one, if I could fit it on the boat, will do well as the galvanized one.
Living at anchor for 25 years
when I set a tiny Danforth
I have no fear
as long as I set 2
that face each other
so I never go back over either
and risk unsetting that mother.
My Northerly Danforth
a mere 15lbs
handles blustery sunny skies
and never moves around.
My Southerly Danforth 40
handles winter's rage
up to 72 knots
and my 15 ton 40ft'er doesn't drag.
I also run a tiny Tandem;
a 2nd Danforth in series
facing south into the storms
so I can sleep when I'm weary.
Then I throw another small one
20-30 degrees from #1,
all rode for shock loads
I torque it tight for fun.
I leave my heavy main
connected to my chain
loose and limp
so Tiny takes all the strain.
When that nylon rode stretches
perhaps 5 out of 100 feet
then the chain gets slowly tight
and both anchors dig real deep.
I've pulled them all up
with a foot or 2 of mud
and even tiny Danforths
have never been duds.
When I tested CQRs and plows
I'd always drag
and took those off my bow.
When I only want 1 chain or rode
what I call a "Lunch Hook"
or I need to stop NOW
and guarantee set in any rubble
I have 2 Bruce claws on my bow
to keep me out of trouble.
But again I'll often use a tiny Danforth Tandem
Depth plus 10 feet of chain shackled around the Bruce vertical shin
so the Danforth sets first
then the Bruce digs in.
The Bruce absorbs the shocks
since it drags if jerked hard with a thud
while the tiny Danforth tandem never budges
but just digs deeper in the mud.
I DO NOT recommend
1 Bruce with 1 tiny Danforth for very long
for if your Bruce drags back into the Danforth
you'll be singing a Texas Tandem Tangled sad sad song.
Whenever using Danforths
I very highly suggest
setting opposing anchors
so you can get some rest.
Your heavy towards the storms.
Your light thrown to fair weather
cuz I'm an old guy
and like anchors light as feathers.
I had a Danforth 180lb
it never budged or dragged around
but took 4 hours to get off the ground
and always torqued my back.
So I tested every thing I could
on chain and line just like you should
and once held in 8 foot standing waves
blowing 60 knots
on a tiny Danforth springy line
giving it everything she's got.
The trick with getting good tests
in such heavy blows
is leave the big chain anchor loose
let your nylon take the initial loads.
Then as the nylon stretches
watch your chain get slowly tight
and that catenary weight reduces shocks
and will help you sleep at night.
The only time SHTF
was when I snapped an all chain ride.
When shocks are banging hard on your bow
you'll be absolutely terrified.
5 to 10 scope to be safe.
Some hose at shackles for chafe.
I use butterflies and anchor bowlines
and inspect spring lines after a big rage.
I know a lot of people
will spend a fortune on fancy anchors
and know the Danforth's defect
if you flip it like a pancake.
But once it digs in mud
one on chain and one on line,
let nature howl and drown your bow
you should be fine.
The key's the opposing tiny Danforth
about 100 feet North
which also means you'll never swing much
like 200 feet back and forth.
Triangulate.
It does work great.
I know multi-anchors are a pain.
But using tiny Danforths right
will keep you off the rocks
in howling winds and horizontal rain.
As always perfect work. You’re really trying to be as neutral as you can be. Therefore the results are quite correct to me. I would love to see you at other locations in the world doing your tests on different grounds. Maybe you get a sponsorship by an aviation company to fly you around with your equipment. :-)
If you are thinking about a testing platform. Have considered using a pontoon? If you increase the surface of your floating device, it may be more stable and secure.
Thanks Skip, a pontoon boat could work. Nice and stable but not sure about reserve buoyancy.
Thanks Steve! That table at the end, can you please copy and paste those cells into a google sheet and share it here? I could go through the video and enter all the data myself but it'd be WAY easier for you to do it and share it. The reason I want that is to separate all of your performance tests from the other three factors: strength/engineering, longevity, and cost. I want to know which is the best design for bottom holding and particularly which one can perform at the shortest scope in the 2:1 to 3:1 range as where I venture there's often not room to do more than that. From looking at the design details of the top few, I will fabricate my own, and soon. I'm motivated by a certain close-quarters anchoring requirement that the loose/worn/rusted lead-tipped plow/CQR clone simply cannot work sufficiently reliably in and I don't have much time to achieve that. For now I'll likely do a low-tech version of the Mantus or STORM or Manork or rocna or sarca or manson or similar, but I'm keen to do a more serious anchor in future for longer term use either from fancier materials or with galvanising (I don't have time/money for that right now).
You make sailing life safer!!!
Have you assessed the pool anchor yet? It comes standard on Greenline boats (I am going to begin cruising with one in January). I am worried about it’s holding power as we will be anchoring a lot.
Hi Steve,
Great job!
I have a 25kg Delta Brake, whats your opinion with that?
Thanks.
Great summary and effort thank you for sharing. One question regarding the Rocna Vulcan. The average of your on screen scores was a 4.1 (displayed as 4.0) and in the final ranking listed at 3.9
I’m a year late for the fun discussion, but anyway ….
I spent the Covid years of 2020 and 2021 entirely liveaboard and entirely ‘on the pick’ (minus only a total of three weeks in two years in marinas) on a 10-ton steel yacht around coastal Tasmania and in Australia’s infamous Bass Strait. My anchor was (is) a 40kg Rocna backed with 100 metres of 10mm chain. My only issue ever with my Rocna (or, for that matter, a previous lighter Rocna on a slightly lighter yacht) was with thick seaweed and kelp. Otherwise, in my personal experience, they drop, set, and stay. I never-ever-anchor with less than 5-to-1 ratio chain paid out, and always take great care when setting the anchor.
Maybe I’m just lucky … or the gods like old dudes!
G'day, thanks so much for your videos. Could I please ask, would it be possible to report your results without reference to cost? That "category" skews the results and has nothing to do with performance. Ok to mention cost of course but no point having a high scoring not so good anchor that got there because it was cheap. thanks heaps.
Hi Dean,
Many people do not watch the videos in their entirety and rely on just the charts. It is my intent to include as much information as possible. As always, I encourage people to modify the charts by omitting or adding whatever categories suit their own priorities.
That said, in my more resent charts, I have added an "In water, tested performance average" column that ,as the name implies, ranks the anchors without any of the "benchtop review" parameters.
Many Thanks for excellent evaluation. Learned a lot. One question: The Ultra has a hollow shank. Wouldn't this make it susceptible to corrosion? Would appreciate any insight.
The Ultra's shank is 100% sealed (by welding). Therefore, I believe that INTERNAL corrosion of the shank will not be a problem.
Hi Steve,
Thanks for all the effort and knowledge you put into the challenge to find the perfect anchor. As full time cruisers (9 yrs) we are checking your video’s for new input regularly. Now with all your data put into a table there seems to be a difference between our daily anchoring and the table. The Rocna we have used in places like Point Barrow, Antarctic Peninsula, South Georgia and Kerguelen gets a low reading in your table. In the extreme wind conditions of the Southern Ocean the Rocna never dragged. And I am sure if we would have anchored with an old style CQR for one, we would have been all over the place. So we are puzzled by the difference and the only thing I can come up with is the difference in anchor size used for testing and ours at 88lb, and the scope used. But with all your experience testing anchors it would be interesting to read your thoughts on this.
Regards Mark and Caro
Hello Mark and Caro, I have a few thoughts. 1) As you mentioned, SCALE could be a significant factor. Note that among the rollbar anchors, the anchor (Mantus) with the largest rollbar seems to have the least trouble with seabed fouling. 2) Your anchor may be grossly oversized and therefore not "challenged" even in heavy winds. 3) Perhaps you have not encountered a "cohesive" type seabed similar to the one in which I test, during your heavy conditions. 4) More and more, I believe the poor reputation of the CQR is somewhat unwarranted. Reasons for the extremely poor reputation may include: Truly bad performance in some (but not all) seabeds, A proliferation of poor CQR copies, Worn-out hinges of genuine CQR changing the geometry of the anchor (this can have a very large, negative effect). Note that the well regarded high latitude sailor, Skip Novak uses a CQR aboard PELAGIC. See his heavy weather anchoring demonstration (on CZcams) where he anchors during a gale about 10 miles from Cape Horn. 5) There is a small chance that the 45lb. Rocna that I used for testing may be flawed (misaligned shank, a proud weld bead across the fluke, other?). I intend to procure another 45lb. Rocna (and leave it unmodified) and retest in order to get to the bottom (no pun intended) of this. Cheers, Steve.
Hi Steve, thanks for your thoughts on this. No way I want to suggest the CQR is a bad anchor. I used one on a 4 yr circumnavigation in the old days and it did well but I did sit up some dark nights praying for the anchor to hold. According to the sizing chart of Rocna one size down would have been on the limit and since we regularly anchored in Caleta Martial, the same spot as the Pelagic you mentioned, we opted for the bigger size. On the larger Pelagic Australis the CQR has been replaced by a Rocna. We will check out your videos for any new insights. Cheers Mark and Caro
P.S. I cannot find the Paypal link on the video??
Mark, It is sounding more an more like SCALE and SEABED TYPE are the main factors. You can find my paypal link in the 'description' of my videos, or paypal.me/svpanope . Thanks for commenting with your experiences. - Steve
Maybe because the roll bar will be bigger on very large rocna anchors the sandy-mud can flow out the back more easily and reset or otherwise not foul so easily.
Hello I was thinking of buying the Manson supreme for the built in trip slot , does it work ?
Would u recommend?
Thanks 🙏
If I were seeking a 45lb. anchor with a tripping slot, I would pick the SUPER SARCA over the MANSON SUPREME due to Manson's tendency to become mud fouled in seabeds common to my area. (Other sizes may behave differently) See my "Anchor Rock Slot Testing" video #57.
I have no doubt your testing was fair between anchors, and I don't doubt your results. However 3 years ago I changed from a Bruce to a Rocna 20kg on my 16,000 lb., 36 foot sailboat. The difference in performance was night and day. The Rocna has never failed to set, or reset, and has never dragged. It has never failed to hold against full throttle, although my engine is only 25 hp. The highest wind I've experienced was 42 kts in Turtle Bay, Baja. I sailed from San Francisco to Mexico in 2018 and anchored in mud, sand, and seagrass. I've anchored all over the Sea of Cortez as well as Mazatlan, La Cruz, Puerto Vallarta, etc. Mexico has been mostly sand. In La Paz I've had the wind change 180 degrees many times as it is typical for the wind to change direction at night. So for me at least, in my experience the Rocna has been great. With that said, based on your testing, if I ever buy another anchor it will probably be a Vulcan. Thank you for all your invaluable work.
Hi Steve,
I live down in Hansville so I sail local to you. After selling my big sailboat I’m making a 15’, 500lbs wood sailboat. The anchor I want to use is the 8lb stainless quick connect because of size and the ability to break it down. Have you ever tested this anchor or do you have any plan to test it?
Hello David,
The only Mantus Quick Connect anchor that I have tested is the 2.5 lb. model. I would be happy to test the 8 pounder when one becomes available. I'll let the dust settle from the latest shipment of M2 anchors and then suggest it to Mantus.
Nice work. I would get better holding power specific numbers to get a little more scientific
i guess on the hollow roll bar anchors, when its brand new. Maybe roll it over and fill the tube with epoxy?
Thanks Steve, great work.
Shame you don’t have a Manson Ray anchor, we used one coming down the Queensland Coast and it surprised me with its holding, mostly in sand and often on exposed roadside beaches.
I guess it’s pretty similar to the Vulcan, but it has a surprisingly large blade for its weight.
Anyone want to buy a slightly used Rocna 44lb anchor?
I'd love to test a Manson Ray, Paul. The only one I know of around these parts is in use aboard a certain power boat. Perhaps we can wrestle it away from the owner for a while.
@@flygoodwin If we are talking about the same power boat, the owner probably has a few spares he could use for a while..
I do have the Ray in my shed now, not sure if I can afford to ship it half way round the world though.
I took it off the boat and replaced it with a Rocna, don’t think I made the right call now...
At least the Rocna came off the other boat and was replaced by an Excel, so I can feel better about that..
@@paulfitzgerald1466 He most certainly does!
I wish I'd found your site a year ago, I successfully used a 25kg delta in Caribbean due I've found out to be the constant one directional pull from the wind and mostly sand sea bed. Sive returned to mediterranean now and bought a stainless steel 36kg delta which has proved useless. I've noticed your top excel anchor isn't too dissimilar excepting the edging skirt and dipped point. I'm considering getting a fabricator to mimic the differences with a sharpened edge to a 5mm plate puddle welded to underside and normal to face edge. Have you any thoughts?
I've dabbled with modifying anchors enough to know that it is tricky business. Small changes can have big, unintended consequences. Be sure to thoroughly test the (modified) anchor prior to relying on it. Good luck.
Hi have you ever tested the Kingston Quickset anchor manufactured in Kingston, Ontario, Canada?
As a matter of fact, I am on the water testing a Quickset anchor as I type this. Break time is over - back to work!
Noobie question... you were simulating how much the wind speed was moving the boat, or were you simulating the wind speed itself? If I were to use an anchor that's heavier than recommended an a longer Rode... would that overcome any short comings?
I have an original bruce that has some white scaling? will it damage this anchor if I use a wire brush on it? will it damage the finish?
Anchor request: Super Max in soft mud please! Looks interesting for that specific application. Adjustable version can do sand and mud, not sure which the fixed version is set at, maybe the compromise angle from the adjustable one. Seems like it's one of the only dedicated soft mud options? Are you aware of any others?
As far as I know, the benchmark anchors for soft mud are the Danforth/Fortress style anchors. I would be happy to test a Super Max if one were made available to me.
@@flygoodwin I emailed them requesting one for you :-) fingers crossed.
Super
Steve, I have heard you mention more than once that there is a risk of corrosion within the hollow shank of galvanised Spade anchor shank. Is said shank open in the sense that water or mud can flow inside it? I would’ve assumed it was sealed?
The hollow Spade shanks are indeed open to the seawater (not sure about ALUMINUM Spade anchors). The opening is positioned such that mud can easily enter.
Hi Steve, again, I forgot to say it’s the Mantus 8lb, SS quick connect!
Kind of curious how this ranking changes if you remove price from the equation. Do you have your numbers posted somewhere to look at directly?
Near the final moments of the video, the complete data table appears for 10 seconds.
@@flygoodwin Ahh, cool, I missed that. Thanks!
@SV Panope I am always surprised by your hits on the Mantus for the "size" of the shank. As a registered Structural Engineer, I know that steel is not just steel. The strength can vary by 8-10 fold depending on the alloy. I can be bendy like a noodle or made into a spring that will always return to its original shape. From their web site, the Mantus shank uses a 690Mpa or 100-psi steel. For reference, I have never used more than 50-psi steel for beams, columns and girders in the buildings I design. I would like to see a test of the shank using the setup that you built to try to straighten the Rocna to see how strong it is.
Hayden, you must have missed the video where I commend Mantus for increasing the strength of thier M1 shank by adding material. I stated that the proportions "look good". That said, the Mantus M1 Shank is still one of the weakest among competing anchors as many other manufacturers use the same or stronger material (up to 800mpa) AND have much more favorable scantlings (thicker, wider, and/ or shorter shanks). The needed shank strength will ALWAYS be debatable. If the Mantus M1 shank is the perfect balance of lightness and strength, then almost every other anchor is "overbuilt" and therefore sacrificing performance needlessly. That seems like a very ambitious claim.
This would benefit GREATLY from a spreadsheet.
I recommend using a land based operation
Any chance you are going to test a Mantus M2 anchor?
Yes, soon.
Love the video! Very helpful and informative, thank you very much. Please help me with something as I was looking particularly at getting the Rocna Vulcan. It was the second one in your video, you ranked it a 4.0 earlier in the video but when put up on the list at the end, it tied for second at 3.9? Was this just an error? Also, when I add them all up I get 37 and divide by 9 which gives me 4.1? Am I doing the math wrong? Would you go Mantis M2 or Rocna Vulcan for a Valiant 40? 14 tons and 40 ft LOA? 55 lb or 73 lb? I am in Sea of Cortez, Baja Mexico, with mostly sandy bottoms. Thanks for any advice, I know there are no wrong or right answers ;)
Andrew, I appears that we are both guilty of a math error. After double and triple checking, 4.0 is the correct figure (see the "green" chart at the end of the video). That said, don't sweat the minutiae - they are just numbers.
Also, note that this 2 year old video is now somewhat obsolete as I have added several new seabeds and other test protocols in the subsequent 50 new videos. While I have not been able to "keep up" with testing of the larger "45lb. range" anchors, the "20 pound" range have received the full gamut.
Therefore, I now recommend that folks use the latest "20 pound" comparison data, even if one is using larger anchors. I feel that any small "scaling" discrepancies" will be overshadowed by the overall more broad testing.
While I have adopted the policy of NOT recommending anchor brands, I will say that I am a fan of oversizing anchors provided that you and your equipment can safely/reasonably handle the extra weight and dimensions.
Okay, my back hurts in the first 30 seconds!
I just do not understand the problems you may found on the Rocna. There are so many people out there which are totally happy with there Rocna. There are people which bought another Rocna after boat change... Are you sure to have a original Rocna anchor tested?
Where's the Kelp Forest test. Try anchoring outside Catalina Island.
Amazing stuff! Curious why the fisherman anchor wasn't included in the final data?
Aaron, The previously tested, 100lb. Fisherman received only a simple set test with A very low thrust pull. This was not enough data to give a rating. That said, I have recently completed more thorough testing of a 60lb. Fishman. Look for that video in the coming weeks.
@@flygoodwin amazing thank you so much!
@@flygoodwin i can't afford much but you're definitly getting a donation!
Is in it, that you should not throw anchor into water, bu rather lower it?
Mine came with the epoxy added. I also hope its a permanent feature
I live in Arizona and boat in southern California. Where can I buy a 47lb Sarca Excel?
Closest distributor that I am aware of is Ground Tackle Marine - Victoria B.C. Canada.
@@flygoodwin Many thanks. Appreciate your work.
You are definately the Roger Federer of Anc testing.
Maybe you could test optimum and necessary scope. EG. 10.:1 doesn't appear better than 5:1. It appears to annoy neighbours and increase the rest frequency as my boat canbe doing 2knot at end
Have you ever tried to split the tip of a plow type anchor
and bend the tips out to the side a bit so when the anchor
is on its side it would be more likely to dig in early?
I have not tried this.
Note that the Knox anchor that I have tested frequently has had debris wedged in between it's "split tip".
@@flygoodwin Yes, but the Knox tips are not angled out
to the side and they are split all the way back to the stock.
I'm talking about just 2, 3, or 4 inches and bent away from
the centerline. Surely that won't hold onto very much debris,
yet will give it much more digging in ability on sand or mud.
Thanks for your response.
Hi, thank you sooo much for all this time and work testing all of these anchors! It was truly helpful to me!
But since a few years we have a new anchor here in europe which is said to always hold at the first try and has a great holding power but unfortunately i guess the word has not spread to other continents which is probably why you haven't testet it yet.
It is a Jambo anchor which has been developed by an austrian engineer. If you google it you will find it for sure.
Have you heard of it yet? I would love to see you test it as i am thinking of getting one for my Nauticat38.
I am not affiliated with them in any kind but simply curious about this one. Thank you. Kind regards, Max.
Hello Max,
I have seen photos of the Jambo, but none has been available to me for testing. I cannot afford to buy (any more) new test anchors, so we will have to wait for a used example to show up locally, or perhaps a generous individual might donate one. Also, the Jambo manufacturer is welcome to send an anchor. Cheers, Steve
@@flygoodwin Hi Steve, i take your answer as an offer that you would gladly test one if you get one and it makes perfect sense to me that you can't buy every anchor on the market yourself. I will try and write to the manufacturer and ask if they are willing to send you one. As they are absolutely sure that their anchor is the best they should have nothing to fear. Let's wait and see. All the best to you, Max.
Does underwriters laboratories test anchors? That would save you the cost of testing to destruction. Thank You for your videos. I like watching them.
Thanks Scott, I believe that UL is not in the anchor testing business. There is a chance that donations to my efforts will grow large enough to allow me to conduct destructive tests.
The Spade anchor now comes with the lead encapsulated in epoxy so premature galvanising failure should be a thing of the past since there is not a problem with different metals
Tim, can you clarify that the lead is truly "encapsulated in epoxy" or is it perhaps "capped" in epoxy?
The epoxy is capped off but this eliminates the salt water from coming in to contact with the lead.
@@timevans8223 I hope this is a permanent solution to the problem.
I’m curious if you ever sell your tested anchors? Or do you just accumulate a larger hoard? ;)
It is becoming a larger and large hoard. I did give an anchor to a friend, but otherwise I have kept all of them. Last count was around 40 anchors.
Fortress? Didn't see. Sorry, I did see a little. Used my Fortress as kedge anchor in the med. Lost it three times, let line go with a fender, as I couldn't get it out. Had to get a diver😂 but good anchor. Difficult to store so I stand it upright against the guardrail. Works best!!
Nice, well done, very interesting. But I would have preferred a test where you compare a) how well the anchors hold on different grounds, resets etc. b) how well they are made, galvanizing, how long they will hold c) the price. Just forgetting for a moment the other parameters: the worst (1) but cheapest (5) anchor gets the same amount of points than than the best (5) and most expensive (1). For me as buyer 1+5 is certainly something very different than 5+1. But who can assess the "value", "worth" of an anchor holding well ? You wanted to give an answer considering "all". That´s just impossible, this is always biased by your preferences, tastes. Good luck, Re.
Excellent as always ( even if my bower is a Rochna) but when it’s blowing 40 on a lee shore nobody cares how their galvanizing is holding up nor what they paid for it so I would suggest that each anchor should have 2 scores, the total score which you have just done and a performance score. I suppose we could work it out for ourselves with your formation but......Another thing might be to do a linear test to see how the performance changes within and across brands based solely on weight. The Bruce for example was designed to be extremely heavy, not a small boat anchor, so perhaps it would perform better at higher ranges ( I have a 110 lb Bruce as a back up based on that logic). Finally is it possible the Rochna was the first of the “new generation” anchors and that others built on or stole the new thinking? When I bought my Rochna it was revolutionary, now not so much so.
Kind of agree with you, I’m in the process of replacing my old cqr on my 12t boat. I’m heavily leaning towards the ultra, even if the stainless makes it earn a 1 in the price category. It’s expensive, yes, but so would the other be if they were in the stainless edition. And not making them a worse performing anchor.
Thanks, Peter. I encourage anyone to omit categories that do not apply to their situation, and recalculate. Taken further, one could ADD categories from other person's test results.
To my understanding that is exactly why the Bruce anchor became so popular. The big fishing and commercial boats found their large very heavy Bruces had very high holding power compared to other anchors around, at that time. The problem was that it was assumed that this high performance would continue to manifest as it was scaled down. I heard somewhere that if you drop below a 35 kg Bruce anchor it’s high performance rapidly dissipates. It seems you need the Bruce to be very heavy to stop it lifting up out of the seabed when under high load. Above 35 kg and the weight keeps the Bruce buried deep. Your 110 lb Bruce is actually probably a high performance anchor that would beat many competing anchors in that size range. The small Bruce anchors designed for small to medium sized boats are a safety hazard I reckon.
I think you'll find that the original Rocna was preceded by the original Super SARCA, so credit for originality should be credited to AnchorRight Australia.
Coming up, the anchor disaster channel!
So when were you planning on telling us about the aircraft
No Plans, but since you asked, It is a Fisher Super Koala. Homebuilt by myself back in the 90's. I flew this plane for about 500 hrs. I no longer fly.
@@flygoodwin RC conversion
@@DC_DC_DC_DC When/If batteries improve to about twice a good as they are today, I might convert to electric propulsion.
Steve, What do you mean by a genuine original copy?
I could not find where I said "genuine original copy".
I did say the words "original faithful copy" when I was pondering whether or not the Lewmar CQR anchor (which is currently in production) is a faithful, exact copy of the early, "genuine" CQR anchors (I still do not know the answer to that question).
Learning how to stand in front of a camera and speak coherently about a complicated subject has been almost as challenging as the subject itself. Sorry for the word salad.
You should get several million views on this episode alone. Maybe add in a pair of bikinis or something.
My wearing a bikini would likely repel the target audience.
@@flygoodwin true, I hadn’t thought that far ahead...
could you maybe add a glossary of terms in your comment section?
Hi Steve, great 100th video summary. Do you think the sarca excel galvanized anchors are different metals ? According to their charts I should get a 26lb, but have seen some videos where the smaller than the 45lb anchor gets damaged .
Robin, I have no direct knowledge of the metal grades of various sizes of Galvanized Excels. That said, my smaller, Excel #1 seems to be built like a tank.
Experienced sailors know anchoring is about the size of the anchor and the scope. His experiments use too short a scope for high pull situations. No one uses 5 to 1 scope in 30 to 40 knots of wind. His experiments show his mistake. In the anchoring with two anchors in series the Bruse gets a massive increase in holding power when the first anchor breaks free and acts like a kelet. Which brings the angle of pull lower to the seafloor.
Also... The vid were he uses chain to a tree and measures upward angle at different loads shows a short scope in medium load situations pulls the anchor up at an 11 degree angle and out of the ocean bottom. An anchor needs to be pulled parallel to the ground. So it can dig in.
His experiments are not representative of real world anchor holding abilities.