Silent Hills and Death Stranding - A Secret Connection? (SPOILERS)
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- čas přidán 25. 11. 2019
- When playing Death Stranding, I could not help but notice several similarities between the concepts in the game and the concepts I have presented in my "Silent Hill Mythology" series. I put out this observation on Twitter, and other people seemed to agree. Let me know what you guys think!
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Remember when Silent Hills turned into Silently Delivering Packages over Hills?
Didn't somebody do that in Downpour?
Oh i member
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
over silent hills
Pepperidge Farm always remembers...
I just heard recently, Kojima is interested in making a horror game in the future...so who knows...
now imagine carl jung playing PT
Whoa
Wait till he sees Freud when Pyramid heads mask slips off and realizes the mannequins look just like his dead mother.
Lmaoo 🤣
This is even more Ludicous than picturing any other older psychologist of today playing a horror game.
Whilst playing Death Stranding, I definitely felt a strong crossover of concepts and themes from the SH series (loss, grief, connections and how we deal with trauma) so for the theory that Silent Hill is a beach wouldn't be a particularly big stretch
There's even an email (from Lockne, maybe?) that says something to the effect of "you're you but you're not you" when on the Beach. "Are you sure the only you is you?"
There are certainly some visual similarities between unger and his weird razorwire spider web he naps on with the broken nightmare doll while waiting for BB to be sucked into his beach
See the sunset
The day is ending
Let that yawn out
There’s no pretending
If you think about it the sun doesn't set we turn our backs upon it and stare into the void and call it night.
The way Cliff ends Lisa's suffering with the pillow over her head and shooting her, who's to say that didn't shoot her eye like how Lisa in PT had hers gouged out.
also cliff has similaritys with james sunderland and the pillow over his wifes head
this is exactly what i thought when i played DS
I took that part as Kojima saying goodbye to Silent Hills. In fact that whole thing with Cliff and Lisa to me was Kojimas way of also saying sorry to us who will never experience PT at its fullest.
The main characters already look the same so there’s gotta be a family resemblance in there somewhere
When you're on a budget, and you already bought eggs, you don't make steak and lobster.
Rob L. It was supposed to be a joke but ok
Also Sam the man who delivers and Samael Midwife to God... Synchronicity.
Nova Sky
The man who delivers? You meant Glen right?
CZcams being Weird that was a reply to a different conversation. I was saying about the connection to silent hill 1 being the Ritual of Samael as in a Birth Delivery like a midwife. And Sam who always Delivers
mad's wife is called lisa, she died.
the spirit in P.T. is called Lisa? coinkidink? i think not
Bruce Cabanier both were killed by their husbands
@Juan Schwartz lmao
@@user-bn6vg8ck4t They were still killed by their husbands. Yes for different reasons but it still happened. Both shot in their right eye too.
Sincronicity is weird.
A few days ago a military band come to the school i was working and I give them some sandwiches for some weird reason i had a strong deja vu and i realize , i dream (half a year ago) before giving sandwiches to a military winds band, in a room exactly like the one they were.
Was the end ceremony of that year and is the first time i have the same job all that year.
If that has some meaning I have no idea.
But weirdly i feel like I was exactly were i suppost to be.
When I see those situations I just say in my head "you're too predictable" though I only get to change things ones.
I think I don't remember my dreams, but I remember those who "predict the future." I always feel weak, because when they appear irl, Im remembering them after the event, So I can't change anything, it's just like in my dreams. Sometimes they predict what will happen after a year or a month. But I think they're like checkpoints in my life cuz my mindset is kinda changing after them.
@@janushtexas well, in my experience - I dream of short scenarios. Most often I just observe this scenarios but there was one time I figured when it was about to happen and I said something different instead of what I was supposed to say and so things didn't go the way in my dream. I did had another 1 or 2 more of those dreams after but I wasn't able to do a thing, maybe because most of the time I'm not really that involved on those scenarios - more like an observer.
I remember when you said you lost the energy to make content. Good to see you're making these kinds of videos
Insightful.
Death Stranding is about the "connections" you do in your life, and how you can improve others (and yourself) by doing new "(connections) strands" or redoing "strands" that somehow got damaged.
It is important to note that the more "damaged" a connection to another soul is, more and more your unconscious mind will manifest a synchronicity with that "strand" that is affecting you so clearly. Therefore, you get the consequences of Silent Hill: Thought "manifested", a journey until you repair that "strand" inside you (and then outside you), in order to stop your mind (or soul) to consume itself.
To me, Silent Hill is not about "multiverses", but just another thing: "another reality", one inside the mind of each protagonist of the game. And as you stated, Silent Hill is just a "middle ground", where those minds gather (a dream) in order to repair those "strands" that got damaged, by good situations (dreams) or by evil coercion (nightmares). But, Silent Hill is a nightmare, it is a controlled torment where you are the tormented and the tormentor.
And so, by giving us Death Stranding, Kojima-san finally completed his thoughts on the subject: Whatever you do, to someone or to yourself, matters! Because your actions have consequences, both inside your mind and "in the real world", so instead of pushing each other apart, we all should be striving to make "new strands", strands that connects us to each other, because ONE person can end several "strands", easily.
And the price we pay, personally, for each strand that is severed, is torment. Is Silent Hill.
Death Stranding is the journey we should go through, to make connections. To make "strands".
Silent Hill is the price we pay if we cut the ones we have and refuse to do new ones.
I wonder if Kojima-san has another game in wait, to show us his idea about the "reward" of such journey, since he already gave us the price and the journey...
Morfeu,
Nice.
I can’t wait to experience what he has in mind next. I’m hooked on Death Stranding right now taking my time with it. This is gonna be SO worth the price I paid for admission.
FEELS
Maybe you go to your own beach when you die, but if there's no "strands" connecting you to anyone else, you end up in a cycle of hellish torment made by your own willingness to cut others off. Left stranded for eternity in silence (hills).
I love this thanks for sharing
I have always been taught that every act of virtue does justice to the universe, and every act of dementia causes injustice to humanity. Every time you learn something in life, you have an obligation to share it with others. If you don't, you will be in debt to the world.
It's seems that P.T.'s was the "repatriate-gameplay" of Silent Hills.
Rebirth and afterbirth.
Kojimas next game is going to be horror based, so I can't wait!
This is absolutely some of your best work. Around seven minutes in I was completely I'm synch with your hypothesis and point of view.
Max is really good at this style of videos. Multiple threads of ideas all perfectly wrapped up in the end.
The most notable experience with synchronicity I had was when I was deciding numbers for a lottery. It was about 10 minutes before the draw closed and I had to pick 7 numbers. When trying to think of numbers, I decided to close my eyes and out of nowhere 3 numbers came to me. I tried to allow other random numbers to enter my mind but they just wouldn't - it's hard to describe but I could feel the thought process of picking the other 4. When the results came in later that night all 3 of the numbers that appeared out of nowhere were correct while the other 4 weren't. A brief connection with the near future? Or just a coincidence...
Oh please I dont wanna be delivering packages in silent hill.
You know you go around picking up discarded tiny boxes of bullets to hand deliver them one at a time very fast at the boss monsters face with individual button presses while creepy music plays.
Max. Very interesting and insightful my friend. I’ve watched a lot of your videos and I must say, this video is among your best. They keep getting better and more thought-provoking. I’m officially a subscriber for the long haul. I feel you’re speaking directly to the type of person I am. You hit every point, even those I didn’t know I would find intriguing. Looking forward to more content. Keep it up! And... thank you.
third comment cus i have to: my entire experience with the Silent Hill series as a kid was one long episode of Synchronicity. I felt like I had to split off the happy piece of myself to survive my situation and then having that put in front of my face at age 13 made me realize that it was a totally valid and human experience and that the human mind is capable of incredible things in order to survive....
keep on keeping on, Max
Amazing as always, for the last bit about your experience of synchronicity, I've actually felt the same way, it was a weird kinda deja Vu feeling when you started to talk about it and hearing how eerily close that sounds.
Also, for anyone who's played Morrowind, I wonder if there's some sort of Chim in SH or Death stranding, the acknowledgement that you are indeed in the dream, and since you're a living being in a dream, you know you have control over it, if you're able to handle that mentally.
Secret connection or just... Efficient use of content / ideas already created & thoroughly researched?
I think it's the latter.
Exactly like all these ppl theorizing are actually coming up with better shit than Kohima at this point
Yep. This is what happens when people who have never created anything artistic make blind guesses at "connections".
You are usually taught to write what you know because then it is easier to write and more valid. He already looked into death and nightmare concepts with SH and thus used those ideas for something new.
This is interesting, but it's commonly known that Jung didn't find a Golden Scarab beetle at the window, he found a smaller common beetle that has a greenish gold colouring, a Scarabaeid Beetle (so known because it resembles a Scarab).
The point in Jung was not that the beetle was manufactured by her subconscious, but rather that he utilised the coincidence to show the beetle to his patient, which made her more receptive to further questioning and openness.
Max I really really missed you, watching such videos helps me relax
I'm sure some concepts were transferred over from silent hills to death stranding. I havent played it yet but I was wondering about the babies connection between games.
Synchronicity is fun to think about but it seems like the mind making sense of real events while sleeping or in deep thought. Such as: falling asleep with the TV on and having a dream fashioned based on what you hear in the real world.
These videos are not only extremely informative and professionally made. They are most of all humble. You're the Silent Hill CZcamsr that the platform was always lacking, in my opinion. Thank you for your work.
Well i was expecting a fair amount from this but you flooded my bowl, im loving it. Worth the wait in my eyes!
Great video as usual max. Not played Death Stranding myself yet, looking forward to it.
I've read a little of Jung. "Memorise,dreams and reflections". I think there are subtle blends or tones of synchronicity.
The anecdote you describe at the end of the video, strikes me as something akin to preminition.
Keep up the good fight.
Great work Max, thank you!
Great ending. Have been racking my brain trying to draw lines in the sand with the DS story. This gives me a fresh insight on some of the story and is much appreciated
man you are one of the few people who make content regarding the connections between death stranding and p.t , keep making these videos man, ever since the first trailer of DS i have been dissecting & Looking deep into these games & has been so much fun forming these theories
As ito created these games, he manifested his unconscious thoughts into a reality in the form of his art. When I first played the silent hill games I had no idea what was going on. After watching your videos, now I understand that I interacted with itos unconscious thoughts that he brought into the conscious world, and now it effects my unconscious thoughts, for example the nightmares I had after playing silent hill 2 as a child. So in a way itos unconscious mind has altered my unconscious mind. Truly works of art.
thank you for making this. it was my first thought when Death Stranding was announced involving Norman Fetus and Guillermo Del Boro.....
I liked, I subbed and I shared with one of my friend, cause I always thinked death stranding was a way for Kojima to enhence silent hills ''secretly'' and your video is just so made well, I couldn't had explain it better than you did there!
Really interesting analysis. Thanks, Max.
Great video. I can watch stuff like this 24/7.
I have always loved your videos but never played MGS or Silent Hill. So now you're talking about Death Stranding and I can truly get it, I have played and loved the game. Please, bring more videos about DS, it is a really deep game and fits perfectly with your content.
Thanks for the videos and for being an inspiration to me on CZcams. Keep on keeping on!
I have suffered from realistic dreams and synchronicity but never knew there was such an term for it. Know I'm more confused than ever why I dream and why it connects to my wake state. But thank you this was enlightening.
Max I want to tell you that I also prescribed to the exact same school of thought regarding the afterlife as a child.
And I also felt enlightened and validated, not by death stranding (I never played it) but by your statements on the matter.
thank you for your work keep it up
Max I really loved this video. As for the afterlife, I hope you've watched the Netflix series The OA. I believe we hop to another reality where we've made different choices. My father died 5 months ago and I believe he allowed me to travel to another reality to where he is younger, healthy and full of life. He recognized me and knew me as his son, welcomed me to where he was and explained that he wanted me to see that he was okay, he wasn't "dead", he was simply somewhere else now. It gave me a lot of peace.
Damn dude, great stuff
I wonder if only Sam hears the word "Beach". In the sense that everyone hears something different when they attempt to discuss the concept of a beach
Great job Max!!! The connections exist!
Thank you for this. I really do believe that what we played was Silent Hills in spirit. It made Death Stranding even more special to me.
“I walked, I could do nothing but walk. But then, I saw me walking in front of myself. The only me is me, are you sure the only you is you?”
I shit you not, there is actually an email you can receive in Death Stranding talking about “how you may see someone who looks like you in the seam, but it’s not really you”
I imagine Silent Hills would have been very much like Death Stranding. Travelling between different towns and every time you die, you return to the room with the paper bag - the same way you go to the seam when dying in Death Stranding.
Thank you Kojima
I've also had that thought about afterlives.
Great work, Max
Thanks, player!
Reminds me of the Shining and of course, your video on the Shining, good stuff Max
I'll have to come back because I'm not quite finished with Death Stranding but yeah so far I definitely do see some crossover of concepts from both series. Kojima definitely took some of his ideas (and people of course!) from his work on Silent Hills.
Great vid.. Had me thinking... What if silent hills was going to center around a person with multiple personalities...
Brilliant. Great thinking.
gotta say it again after 2/3 way through. THANK YOU SO FUCKING MUCH. you are so brilliant. so so brilliant and i gathered everything you are saying right here through my playing only through the 1st third of the game.
I found it interesting as a lot of beats from DS with Amelie mirrored Maria and Mary from SH2
this is very well put together, reminds me of the movie coherence, you should check that out as the themes are very similar.
This needs a part 2 cuz there are many connections....I'll give yah one...Amelie wears a red dress cuz she's the amalgamation of Maria from SH2 and Princess Peach. She is as much Presidents Strands "ka" as Maria is Mary's "ka". Also, I think In PT the bag is talking about that mutipul "ka"s can occupy our bodies...like the BB in DS or Sam Himself, when he shouts to a sign in DS and the sign talks back....a litteral other sam has walked in front of me but it wasn't me
Answering your final question on the sinchronicity subject, i believe the way you felt validated trough Heartman's dialogue wasn't just a coincidence. It was memes, the dna of the soul. If someone like Kojima, writter and director of Death Stranding, fell compelled enough to want to illustrate a similar concept to your early idea of religion trough a script, then it seems natural to me that you, as well as many people, were suceptible to a similar idea to begin with. It's just the way memes work.
Great video
P.T was really scary. I watched online play through, and later I played it myself and still was scared to death.
I had weird synchronicities after I beat death stranding after i realized it was one of the themes of the game. Good video.
I FEEL THAT WAY NO MATTER WHAT U BELIEVED IN LIFE WOULD SHAPE YOUR DEATH.......I felt that too man i haven't ever been this moved over a game since my earlier years every game was magic and this brought that right back
Twinperfect channel has one of the most thorough explanation series for silent hill. They're why I dont ascribe to the multi dimensional theory, the idea that alessa makes the nightmares and "other world" (for lack of better term) manifest into the real world.
I love to think this is true because it takes our so called understanding of how silent hill works and throws it again into question.
This gave me chills.
I noticed that things also, just by watching cutscenes and stuff on YT. "OMFG, this is nothing more than more convoluted Silent Hills!" was literally my first reaction upon the realisation
I've had various synchronicity moments in life only by imaging rather vaguely and unconsciously that something would happen to me . Almost as if my thoughts atracted those moments
12:43 Hey, that’s my afterlife theory too! :D
Sorry for an unrelated (or maybe not) question, but I have to ask. Max, did you ever read "The Tartar Steppe" by Dino Buzzati, or watched the movie adptation "The Desert of the Tartars" by Valerio Zurlini? I strongly recommend them. They made me reflect on many things in general, also incidentally about repetition and gameplay loops in videogames.
Good video Max. You should look into PythonSelkan's own series of videos, discussing this very subject.
I can name you someone who believes or believed in something similar-- to an all encompassing series of afterlives after death.
Terry Prachett, writer of the Discworld series.
I'd recommend it.
There’s an entire channel dedicated to finding similarities (or synchronicities, if you will) between Silent Hill and Death Stranding, called PythonSelkan. They’ve found some pretty interesting stuff. The one that still puzzles me is the muffled mention of "umbilical chord" in P.T.’s radio broadcast.
I think the fact that a woman named Lisa is killed off after giving birth to Sam Bridges is very symbolic of how Death Stranding was born out of Silent Hills’ cancellation, and I’m sure you’re onto something with your theory of Beaches and Hills (although the Beach concept is a little more pleasant).
I don’t think the connections go too much further though, since the vast majority of Death Stranding is built around the concept of human connection and cooperation. Then again, so was P.T. in a way with how it intentionally brought players together to solve its mysteries.
My friend, its neither a coincidence nor synchronicity as if you go through your life thinking a certain way you are bound to stumble across someone or something like minded eventually. also nothing happens after death your brain shuts off, curtains.
I think the town buildings where you start/end the game are the same as the end scene in P.T. Demo
I can see the similarities
But that would be illegal
He made the connections legal or not
@@jonathanpalma713 not really, P.T. Is a cancelled project, and since he would have organized the coding for those buildings, he would have replicated it on decima engine, and they really are just generic american style buildings, no way to prove they are ripped out of the P.T. Demo directly
The concept of synchronicity and my love for Silent Hill is actually what led me here.
Yeah... that's how a lot of people got here. :P That and Metal Gear Solid.
The reason P.T. was so captivate was because it made you obsessed. The way people came together was amazing. We were all talking to each other, sharing ideas, and overall coming together. The effect it had on all of us is an interesting psychological case study in itself. Glad to have been part of it.
I very much believe the same way you do, that what people believe, is where they will go in death. I think there’s something beautiful in that, but our minds are very powerful things, and it’s not far fetched at all that that is happening. It’s nice to know that I am not the only one that feels this way
max have you made a video before about the connection between death stranding and carl jung's idea of synchrisity? i have searched for it everywhere and i could not find it please help
This is that video, dude.
@@maxderrat OMG I'M SO STUPID 😭
I REMEMBER IT SHORTER THOUGH AND IT WAS MONTHS AGO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS IS THE ONE. THANK YOU MAX I LOVE YOUR CONTENT
I had the same thought from a very young age. "What if our afterlife is shaped by what we believe"?
Yeah I've heard the idea multiple other places.
Thank you ! It actually make sense now. I hope next game from Kojima Production will be a Horror with Multiplayer elements WITHOUT OPEN WORLD
What's wrong with the open world though? Something semi-open like The Evil Within 2. Seems perfectly fine to me.
Lisa Bridges(Sam's mother and the apparition in PT both killed by the husband, assuming the radio info was about PT's Lisa)
Strangled by the umbilical chord(radio in PT and connection to this world in DS)
Everyone has their own beach/silent hill
Ammelie's beach could be the original SH that bleeds into all other beaches
BB and unborn baby in the sink... Both undeveloped
12:21 you aren't the only one with this thought. There is a specific section of a manga called shaman king where there is this tornado of souls. An old man said something akin to everyone goes to where ever you believe you belong after death. As far as I'm concerned I might be butchering this due to how long ago I read it. If someone could correct me on this please do.
Wow, I've never seen CG Yung used as a source. I base my tattoos off his books and theories as they are quite brilliant. They also take physical form in a unique and abstract way.
As I understood it, the philosophical foundation is discussed in the "Problem of universals". Whether Synchronicity exists or not is more or less a question of taste. And nobody will ever be able to proof one side over the other.
When synchronicity is a real phenomenon, then we must postulate a hidden realm of reality and we could say, we want to explore this realm in the best way possible. And this approach was the dominant one throughout history.
Summarized, I think there have been 3 Stages, wich show the shift in the problems of universals in science:
1. Schamanism, Oracles, realm of gods and ghosts etc.
2. Alchemy
3. Modern Science
Modern science brought us technology and medicine that works. And the method they use doesn't require any form of ghost and mysticism.
Today this feels like a question of being for it or against it. But don't forget, only because modern science uses its method so succesfully, it does not mean, that there are no possible insights in the other areas I mentioned.
But we will never have proof.
Man, what if Norman Reedus' character was like a therapist, preacher, or maybe just a friendly prison guard. Listening to the confessions of people struggling with addiction, grief, ptsd, psychosis.... man that could have been am awesome game
I really want a remake of all three games… that would be amazing.
"A coincidence is what you have left over when you apply a bad theory"
who defines "bad"?
@@StarFox85 Bad here means insufficient. The quote implies that coincidences don't exist, so when you have to explain something as just a coincidence, your view of the world is incomplete.
@@Randomness65535 says who?
@@StarFox85 Joe
@@Randomness65535 who is joe to define something?
come on..define yourself
u live❗
8:08 Quite interesting that they use terms of the ancient egyptian religion. The Ka is the spirit of a human that is formed in the body and released after death. Its purpose is to protect the dead body.
Here's a coincidence I as a swede find kind of funny - the swedish word for "beach" is "strand".
in german too
"Beach" and "strand" are synonymous in English.
Take a look at the books about death (four horsemen) from Terry Pratchett’s discworld series. It has a similar aspect to your note at the end of this video
First moment dropped my eyes on Hills/Beaches, I know it's true.
I always imagined that Silent Hill was like a thinny from the Dark Tower.
As a kid I always wished that the afterlife was whatever the person wanted. But it freaked me out the idea that because It might just be the brain spinning itself into a chemical psychosis, people who didnt believe in anything would just cease to exist. Now I dont know lmao. Existing forever seems like torture. But that is just a simple human perspective
There’s a street in Capital Knot city that is similar to the ending of PT
This is way I love your videos
It is..kojima said he will do a sequel of DS but will start from 0...people are confused about what he means by 0 and I think that means he’ll go back and show us how all of this DS phenomena happened..before the Big Bang! Reminds me a lot of PT and Sam walking down the street with flickering lights
Fascinating 🖖
I had the same thought about religion and afterlife as a kid. Is that synchronicity? Did I find this video purely due to that revelation, knowing another had the same?
Ive had the same idea about the afterlife. Im pagan now but i still believe that there is different afterlifes for different beliefs. My friend Robby who also agrees on this and I have talked about it for hours.
I've personally had several synchronicity experiences. A few shared, most by myself.
I don't belive in fate nor precognition per se, and although I wasn't aware of Jung's theory, I agree that there may be a some sort of "spill" from our subconcious into our reality. At least our perceived reality.
And I think that's what Silent Hill has always been about. It left many breadcrumbs along the entire saga. It was just never stated like that outright.
Great video. Glad to find a grounded and documented theory. I do hope Kojima eventually create a full horror game in the Silent Hill universe.
I got another theory regarding the gameplay of P.T.
P.T. has many secrets that are written or said in different languages. What if Kojima's concept of "connecting" and helpful gameplay was applied to Silent Hills?
DS had had me thinking a lot about my fundamental beliefs about reality, as well as trying to understand QTF.
I've been seeing synchronicity between QTF and religions (both east and west) in a striking way.
H.K. did a great job of tying theoretical physics to belief systems in order to make this poetic statement of; if everyone has their own beach, can anybody truly be connected?
If only Kojima knew how to present his ideas in an interesting way, instead of only having interesting ideas.
12:31 I wish the same too :)
this whole video feels like synchronicity because i had this exact same thought.......
dammit fourth comment. imma stop now. love ya max.