Future Shock Explained
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2016
- For over 100 years, the bicycle tire has been the best means of absorbing vibrations on a road bike. And while we love tires, they haven't been very effective at this particular job. With our new Future Shock, however, this all changes. In this video, Specialized engineer, Chris Yu, will walk you through how it all works, why it's important, and how it'll make your rides smoother and faster then at any time before it. Welcome to the Future.
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Peter Sagan won Paris Roubaix with a future shock in 2018. After the race you can see how fresh he look compared to everyone else. When I rode the Roubaix for the first time I was blown away with comfort. Roubaix are keeper bikes.
I recently test rode a 2020 Diverge Expert (70 of 90 km on gravel), which features the updated FS 1.5 system. To me the Future Shock is great to have over corrugations and broken asphalt (along with the CG-R post). It's not there for potholes, or anything over about 20 mm in amplitude. It's very responsive (under damped) so it's more there for vibration control than for any big hits (useless for that). It does its job really well (F1.5 version) and you can tell when you can no longer put the power down to ride through corrugations but your contact points (seat and bars) are totally comfortable. To not have to rely upon bigger tyres or lower pressures (i.e. dampening from the tyre) is great. It allows one to have higher pressures for better rolling resistance. My only beef with the bike was the stack height being too high (bar height really). But a -17° stem and regular drop bars would alleviate some of that. When sprinting, I couldn't detect suspension movement (bars are your only point of reference) - the geometry of the bike had a much larger effect than the future shock. In summary, my experience with the FS was the tech is most useful, and definitely not a gimmick, very pleased!
Nice little dig at the Lauf fork, there. I reckon this idea has as many disadvantages as any other, the unavoidable handlebar bob when out of the saddle, for a start. The potential for play or creak developing for another, the stack height issue, the potential for brake dive when braking hard... I've ridden 90s suspension stems and they're awful. This idea has too much in common with them, for me.
EXACTLY.
I have not noticed any bobbing out of saddle. The stack height can go quite low actually. Haven't had any creaking. The only thing I noticed was a little bit of brake dive.
I belive you can lock it out if you need to
Someone out there has to make a 27+ tribike with Zerts and Headshock on a Lefty that has a Lauf end on it, topped with a Softride stem into an ISO Speed headset with VIAS bars. I need this rig to go grab some coffee.
So... putting the suspension above the stem is suddenly much better than below it, despite physics telling us that unsuspended mass should be as low as possible to be highly effective. That's why a Fox fork or a Cannondale Headshock always has been below the headtube. Oh wait... I get it! Putting the Future Shock below the headtube where it belongs, would conflict with Cannondale's patents and that has to be avoided at all costs. :D))
This is a Canondale head shock, just inverted. I still like the idea, as anyone who has rode one can tell you they work well, but will it still have the dust boot?
I would like to know that if by changing the pivot point from the bike to the rider if this will assist in reducing back pain?
Honestly it makes sense for racers, but for backpackers who would carry cargo as well, it wouldn't be good as it doesn't absorb shock for anything mounted to bike.
interesting concept, I make custom bicycle wheels and am planning my first bike build.... this might be an interesting approach to consider
Surprisingly high quality
Awesome
thanks
Not how the Lauf Grit fork works at all but nice job on the drawing. It’s spot on.
What happens to the future shock if you do not service it every 500 miles as Specialized recommends? Will it wear and damage other components of the handlebar?
the front of the bike has the rear axle as the center of rotation. the entire front moves in an arc the size of the wheel base, not straight up and down. this will help, but the bars will bob, or jump, horizontally and tilt up within the 20mm range because moving in a circle has continuous change in both x and y directions.
so back to roots - simple coil like 100years ago. true innovation from specialized, razor sharp edge )
20mm isnt much absorbtion when you hit a big enough pothole in nyc and i cant see it helping in Roubaix as it would hit the top of the stem and shift your weight up anyways.
Hello- do I need future shock as a casual rider? Getting the Sirrus x 3.0 already actually. Casual rider for now.
my bike didnt come with the spacers to raise the future shock please respond
A hidden Headshok principle! Not as sophisticated as the Cannondale with needle bearings, but probably very effective and useful.
lol at the animation that shows a lauf fork acting like it's rigid.
Seems like they are only meant for smoothening out small vibrations and are not good at all for large bumps or potholes.....can they be upgraded to 80mm+ from only 20mm...so that they can safely be considered as a substitute of suspension forks??
Curious to see if any of the world tour teams will be racing these bikes in the classics. Matt Hayman seemed just fine on his rigid Scott this year.
if they get paid enough they will do it on the pigs back with specialized zertz-futer-shock saddles.
So a year after this comes out they will make another one with the spring in the seatpost as well lol
That's existed on low-level bikes for decades.
so...a headshock then? I remember those from like 20 yrs ago!
I thought science concluded that suspending a bike is better than suspending a rider 😂😂
yep!
Well, no. The Headshok went below the headtube, so it behaved more like 'normal' suspension forks.
This one behaves more like suspension stems, which have come and gone over the past few decades.
I wasn't talking about headshots..
Chiriho Gustafson: I was replying to Matt above.
20mm sounds like so much more travel than saying 2cm
This tells nothing about the mechanics of how it works. More apt title Future Shock unexplained. Doesn't explain what the shock action is, how it works. But it appears to me the absorption is of the riders weight on the handlebars when the frame is thrown upward, then after the wheel has started downward after the bump, the spring tension is released allowing the bars to return to original position. If that's the case then it appears this is basically the same as shock absorption seat posts that were on hybrid bikes.
They asked the 2D artist to explain it rather than the 3D engineer to run a simulated animation with digital cutaway! Lmao.
Flexstem!
Nasty dig on the Lauf fork. Specialized apparently don't understand how it works 😒
The lauf fork may well be the worst product in suspension of all time. the rebound has absolutely zero damping. every bump becomes worse than it was originally because the uncontrolled rebound creates this terrible trampoline effect.
@@theaveragegamer801 of course it has rebound damping. There are special glas fiber leaves for damping. It is explained in a GCN video visiting Lauf headquarters in Iceland.
It's all very well suspending the handlebars but your rear end is still going to whack the bump/pothole as before & tip you. And yes, Cannondale already did this to some of their MTBs way back in the mid-1990s (~24 years ago); I suppose any US patents would have expired after about 17 years. But Cannondale fitted rear suspension too. I guess Specialized will use a suspended seatpost (again, nothing new there). "Ain't nothin' new under the sun and the stars..."
So close of cannondale Head Shock Road
Next year they will put in an oil dampening cartridge to capture the upgraders.
I don't see how you can have a shock at the front, above the head tube or not, and still have get the same peddling efficiency?
You don't put power through handlebar. And that's the only thing suspended in 'above the head tube' variant. In standard variant there is suspension between front wheel and the rest of the frame, and that is were you put power (bottom bracket area). Hence power loss. Think it over again and you'll understand.
The statement in the video still contradicts itself. Their animation talks about the bike losing energy due to it's linear forward path being shifted by up and backwards by bumps in the road. By putting the suspension between the bike and the handlebars you will still lose energy.
You will not lose pedalling efficiency so this is still a neat idea for roadies but lets face it, just like a suspension seat post you're just adding suspension between he rider and the bike frame. Call a spade a spade!
Christopher Home That is correct. This kind of suspension is supposedly providing comfort while not causing pedaling power loss at the same time. How much comfort does it give? I have no idea. We need to wait for consumer reviews.
My gravel bike can have little a suspension, as a treat.
Me personally future shocks are a bit stupid, technically theyre meant for saving weight and aerodynamics but really tho if you ever need front shocks that means offroad the now future shocks perform lower than a decent shock thats worth the same price and the back shocks i mean i guess you can consider it noting you dont need it that much if youre going on a track not too difficult
why dont make every road smoother?
Apri Harisnanda 'Cause some roads (think Europe) are as old as the United States and hold more historical significance than the buildings that surround them.
They are living antiques that allow us to walk on the same stone that our great grandfather's and their families once trod on.
To simply replace them would be almost sacrilegious.
Why not laser the world and be done with glasses?
@@Mark467 r/wooosh
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that's an incredible idea!!!! but is an other thing to take care of your bike (and in a difficult access place...)
This is my first road czcams.com/users/postUgkxMesz3KOGEmwmvyKQfLfrRSUXLFzfVHZA and I have taken it out a handful of times and so far it is exceeding all of my expectations. I didn’t want to break the bank on a first bike and the herd is a great option for getting a fast bike with reliable components. I plan on riding this bike for many years to come. Thank you Sava!
What about for the riders that want to slam their stem? Would the head tube be shorter to compensate for the suspension or would it sit higher up?
i thought this was referring to physcological future shock and it was a really longwinded analogy
So it’s a headshok rebranded by specialized 🤷🏻♂️
*cough* Softride stem *cough*
Don't worry, Specialized is probably suing them.
No doubt.
20 mm / 2 cm - a joke? whats the point? thats even useless if you have a city bike. rather go with a bigger tire and less air-pressure. on a racing cycle comfort isnt important.
my arms are okay on rough terrain. the ass is not. so why do you focus on things that are not that important. focus on saving our ass
the cg-r seatpost in combination with the lowered seatpost clamp does a great job at dampening your ass
lmao you might not feel the hit in the fronf but you definitely gonna feel it in the back
Yer i dunno about this! Its another conspiracy.
There have been many suspension stems in the past that did the same thing... It doesn't work, as the bike still bounces, so it's not a solution... MTB suspension forks work 1000 times better!
Arms make a terrific suspension, if you use them...butts not as well. So roadbikers are very stiff, especially in their arms?
"Future shock"? Bold words from marketeers. "...by keeping the front tire in contact with the road..." Really? What about unsprung weight?
And isn't your butt with most of your body's weight on the saddle much more exposed to the roughness of the road? Rather go out of your saddle on rough rides.
Just like electric shifters, i think this one more useless innovation.
I don't care much anyway, i am mountainbiking.
Its the best solution to date. You just have too see how much more speed a diverge carries. You can hammer them and the design is simple which means alot of engineering went into it.
Do you still feel this way after the recall?
The graphic shows a front wheel going over a bump and we're told that energy is lost when that happens. Fine, that makes sense. But how does a sprung stem prevent or minimize that loss of momentum? I can see it cushioning the arms of the rider, perhaps better than bar tape and gloves and light hands, but I don't get the correlation between forward momentum and upper-body comfort. And for sure, I'd want to be able to lock it out ala the Cannondale head shock of the '90s.
There is no energy loss, it is simply converted to a different form. It's pretty sad that an engineering company didn't catch this mistake considering this is physics 101 knowledge...
not to sure about this one sounds gimmicky
These are not at all are these gimmicky for gravel and hard riding they are the perfect answer. It's legit. Had a headshock Cannondale years ago that I'd still have were it not for the, misery of V-brakes. I've checked this out in the shops and think it could be a huge plus for gravel racing.
@@lazurm Sorry the thought in my head was that it's not gimmicky at all , and I do believe they are totally legit for the purpose. Sorry to sound negative on it, I love the Redshift shockstopper iteration. I would love to have one of the Diverges as well, it's a beautiful system. For now I'm sticking with my steel-framed Breezer Inversion with a shock-stop stem. Will edit previous statement ;) . But thanks for catching a 2yr old post to make a point.
Marketing heros
can't get round the Cannondale patents I guess. Surely this is the inferior place to put the suspension?...
Future Shock + Redshift ShockStop Stem = 🏆
Gimmick. Girvin and Allsop (Softride) did this over 20 years ago.
So, zertz has been a lie?
you just can remove zertz and try. i sense no difference on my diverge.
No, the Zertz have been a unique marketing tool to give Spcialized bikes a clear lead in customer's mind. :)
Sry but Cannon dále did it all ready . Head shock sys. But go on.....
And it was a great idea, just too heavy. Future shock gets closer. Redshift Shock-stopper is the real answer.
Now they're all being recalled, even the S-Works versions, lmfao......
Have they??
Roadies.
Just marketing $$$$$$
Maybe endurance road bikes become too much endurance...
Indian motorcycles had this solved in 1912. See j Leno‘s video. End it was a lot cheaper LOL essentially rubber handles that extend past the metal portion of the handlebars
¿Soy yo el unico que cada año veo que las Roubaix son mas feas?
This is SO wonky and I hate it. Maybe it rides nice but I think it's dumb
Does ride smooth when going at steady speed, but is awful when punching or going up steep hills (tried it at my LBS)
Specialized = asian ? wtf
lol what?
...what?