Specialized Future Shock - Deep Dive & EVERYTHING You Need to Know!
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2024
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0:00 Intro
0:30 What is the Future Shock?
2:00 Specialized bike with the Future Shock
2:30 Differences between the 1.5 and 2.0 Future Shock
4:06 Begin disassembling the Future Shock 1.5
4:55 Swapping booster springs
6:58 Swapping out the Future stem for a traditional stem
8:18 Raise or lower stem height
9:58 Set the preload
Tools used in this video:
Super useful and inexpensive torque wrench: amzn.to/2PFINiO
Carbon compound (necessary if installing carbon seatposts, handlebars, and stems): amzn.to/3btOusO
Soma Wolverine Parts list
⋆ Frame - Soma Wolverine v3 size 54: www.somafab.com/archives/prod...
⋆ Brifters and brakes- Sram S700 2x10: www.sram.com/en/sram/models/s...
⋆ Handlebars - Salsa Cowchippers: salsacycles.com/components/ca...
⋆ Stem - Specialized Multicomp:
⋆ Bar tape - Brooks Microfiber: amzn.to/2B9ydcT
⋆ Downtube barrel adjusters: amzn.to/2YE7gWF
⋆ Front deraileur - Sram Force 22: amzn.to/30JrgKd
⋆ Chain: Sram 1071: amzn.to/3fxgCdQ
⋆ Seatpost - Soma Zero Offset: amzn.to/2Cd2M1L
⋆ Seat - Brooks Cambium C17: amzn.to/37wSeWQ
⋆ Rims - NoTubes ZTR Crest MK3: amzn.to/2UR3qsh
⋆ Tires - Panaracer Gravelkings: amzn.to/2C4YCJ4
⋆ Headset
Top Cup: Cane Creek ViscoSet
Bottom Cup: Cane Creek 110: amzn.to/3e71bZx
I got official word from Specialized: the main spring in the cartridge is progressive, not the booster springs. The replacement cost of the 1.5 is $250 and the 2.0 is $515.
Thank you for these prices! Are those prices for a set of 3 springs (same set as what comes with the bike), or for a single spring?
You’re welcome! Those prices are for the full cartridge replacement. With a new cartridge you should get everything that came with your original bike: stack height adjustment parts, shim for a standard stem, that crazy little 3mm wrench, and new booster springs if you have a Future Shock 1.5.
@@GreatEgretAdventure That's great. Seems like a reasonable cost, for such a unique system.
. @GreatEgretAdventure Never got the 3mm wrench. I guess the bike shop held onto it. Had to buy a hard to find new one and filed down the flats to make it fit
As an educator, let me say.... You have talent sir! I've been in the classroom for nearly 20 years. It's not often you find someone who can sustain speech, hold attention and convey the message like we've seen here. A+
Thanks! I work really hard on these videos, so that means a ton to me!
Since falling into the cycling hole 4 years ago, I have progressively been watching more and more CZcams videos about the subject and last week I stumbled on your channel. Man, you are good. Your narration is top-notch, a personable quality like Warren Miller (of ski films fame), and the production quality matches too: framing, edit, music, etc. I am eagerly awaiting my new 2022 Diverge Expert Carbon, because road cycling just feels too dangerous at times, with too many close calls with cars. The prospect of riding in the great outdoors is way more appealing... so thank you, this channel is a huge public service.
Gerard, this is by far the best comment I have ever received over three years creating content on two different CZcams channels. I started this one about six months ago and it’s been a lot of fun! If my content motivates others to love cycling and the outdoors as much as I do, then this channel is a success. If it’s a tiny percentage of how good Warren Miller’s Timeless is, I’ll feel equally as accomplished.
I couldn’t agree more about the dangers of road riding. To be out in nature away from cars is a great feeling.
Thanks, Gerard!
Very clear and detailed video, congrats keep up the good work!
Thanks, Sergio! I'm glad it was helpful.
Nice video. This really is a piece unique to Specialized and it helps when it is de-mystified. Thank you.
Thanks, Dave! It was a fun video to put together.
Excellent, informative and detailed video! Great work!
Thanks Jose! Thanks for watching.
Great video !!! Thanks ! Keep it on ! 🙏💪🔝
Thanks! I have some great videos in the works!
Ha! Just what I needed. Cheers pal 👍
nice work with the herbie shout!
This is an old video and you are the first one to comment on this. Thanks for that :)
Came here to see if I can expect to install a OneUp EDC on my just ordered Sirrus 4. Seems like the answer is, nope! Thank you for the information.
Great video, thanks! Getting a diverge with futureshock 2.0 and this was helpful. Should you get the shim to fit a normal stem with the bike or did you have to buy it separately?
Thanks! I work hard on these videos, so that means a lot to me that this was helpful for you. The shims are supposed to come with the bike along with the duckbill, three 5mm spacers, and that ridiculously small 3mm wrench to adjust the preload.
*Looked at a lot of options for getting my **Latest.Bike** . Great find in SAVA. Super light, nice components, really good value as it comes with many options only found in much higher priced bikes.*
Amazingly priced bike for what you get!
I have the 2.0 on my diverge I took delivery on 13 months ago. I only gravel on it or ride once a week. Just finished a race two Sundays ago. So far so good 😊. My diverge is not my main bike so will take a while to achieve the 500 hour service point. And I have not had a low battery 🪫 on the 1x Di2 yet either, it’s lasted over a year so far. Next swap out is the hover bars. Just don’t like the top section diameter and the contour of the top section, no room to move my hands for size 42. Pressure and pain points on hard bumpy efforts. 🤔🤔🤦🏻♂️
Good dive into the future shock. I bought a carbon spot last fall and haven't had a chance swap springs around at all. My wife has a Roubaix both with the 1.5. I just looked at the springs that came with mine and they appear linear also but I'm wondering if the progressive coils are just not noticeably narrower.
You know, I thought the same thing about the progressive springs. It is only 20mm of travel. If yours look linear as well, it has to be that they are not noticeable. So I decided to measure with my digital calipers. Unless the differences are less than 0.1mm, there is no difference in the size. If there is, that degree of progressiveness seems so nominal that it wouldn’t make much of a difference. I’m no engineer, though. Either way, your comment is really helpful and I’ll include it at the end of the next video. I’m curious what others think. Thanks Rob!
@@GreatEgretAdventure sent you a comparison photo on IG. They could probably accomplish some progressive nature with heat treating. Visually though no difference.
wow amazing video!. Do you know if you can upgrade from a 1.5 to a 2.0 on the diverge?
Thanks! You can because they are the same sized cartridges. The problem is getting your hands on one now during the supply chain disruptions.
This is an excellent tutorial. Thanks. Stupid question from a non-techie. If you want to replace the stem with one that has a smaller stack height than the standard 40mm, do you need spacers to make up the difference? Any guidance appreciated.
Thanks Steve! Your local bike shop should have provided a shorter cover.
Thanks for the great information. Well done. Can you tell me where I would get torque information on diverge bikes.
Thanks! I work hard on these, so it means a ton to me when someone finds the video helpful or entertaining. The torque specs are in the manual that comes with your bike. Judging by your previous comment, it sounds like your LBS didn’t provide it to you. If you need a specific torque spec, just let me know here and I’ll post it.
@@GreatEgretAdventure no manual provided. Wonder where I could get one?
Great Video! I installed a new stem on my Sirrus X 5.0 and found that the new stem is a little taller than the stock stem where it clamps on to the cartridge. The top cap shaft/threads do not go low enough to engage the threads in the cartridge. I think a 5mm spacer under the cartridge would be too much. Do you see any problem with not having a top cap on? It seems to be just a cosmetic piece. Any chance there are top caps with longer shafts available? Thanks!
I think you’re right. It’s cosmetic.
How do you change the saddle angle?
Hi, how much can the stem lowered? The default setting is with the high cap? I am asking because the stack of the current diverge seems too high compare to backroad, nuroad or grail.. i wondere if the stack is lowerable, in manuals it says adjustable from 0-15 mm of hight. thank you
The stack can be lowered. Check out this video at 8:54 where I talk about the low headset cap. You need to remove the tall headset cap and install the low headset cap. That’s the lowest the stack can go with the Future stem. If you want it lower, you’ll need to install a standard stem with a negative degree angle.
The 0-15mm height refers to the number of spacers you can fit. Each are 5mm. This means you can go with none, one (5mm), two (10mm), or three (15mm).
I hope this helps.
thanks for the video, very useful. Just a question, can I get rid of the future shock altogether ? will the fork / steerer / stem work if I cancel the future shock ? or do I need a new fork ?! thanks again
One of things I don’t like about the diverge is that you’re stuck with the Future Shock which also means that you’re stuck with the fork. The head tube on the diverge is sized to only fit the Future Shock so putting a regular headset in there won’t work, unfortunately.
@@GreatEgretAdventure thank you so much for your knowledgeable and helpful (and prompt 🙃) reply … I thought I can cancel it as it’s really noisy. Would you know if it can be upgraded to 2.0 ? Is it quieter / heavy duty ? Thanks again
@@emiled591 the Future Shock shouldn’t be noisy. That’s a sign that that something isn’t right with the internal spring. It likely needs replacement. If you bought the bike recently, it’s probably still under warranty. The 2.0 isn’t necessarily beefier, it’s just a different design with different features (oil damping, dial to change preload, no booster springs). If you wanted a 2.0, it’d fit, but at a replacement cost of $515 USD, it might not be worth it.
Is it 2.0mm hex to re-tighten the pre load screw at 10:50 in the video? I think it should be 2.5mm hex.
Yeah, 2.5mm to loosen, 2.0mm to adjust, 2.5mm to tighten along with the 3mm wrench. I said 2.0mm to tighten when I should have said 2.5mm. I’m going to fire the proof editor. Oh, crap that’s me! Thanks for catching that.
Thanks for this video. Does anyone know if future shock boots are interchangeable? Is it possible to use 2.0 or 1.5 boot on 1.0?
You’re welcome! They are not interchangeable, unfortunately.
I received none of the items you mentioned with my bike. I bought it off the rack at a bike shop. Can you tell me where I can get the shims and spacers? Great video !
Oh, man! Your bike shop let you down on this. They should have provided these when you purchased the bike. Get in touch with them. They should have given you a bag with the shims, spacers, booster springs if you have the future Shock 1.5, that weird little 3mm wrench, and the manuals and other documentation. They should give all this to you at no additional cost.
@@GreatEgretAdventure ahh - I have the adjustable 2.0 future shock so that’s why they didn’t provide it.
Can I install a regular standar fork in this kind of frame if I want to ? .
Unfortunately, no. It kind of sucks actually.
If you buy a new Specialized w futureshock, the 3mm wrench should be included in the bag of parts. It’s included from the factory.
That’s correct. Thanks for clarifying that! Along with the shims, stack lowering part, and booster springs with the 1.5.
Does using the variable angle stem allows to uniformly sit the top cap? It is supposed to be used on perpendicular top stem like fixed ones
I haven’t heard or read that a 0° stem is required. If that’s true, bike fitters would not even fit anyone riding a Diverge. The angle of the variable angle stem does not impact the top cap anymore than any other stem of any angle.
Please do a fs2.0 video! My fs2.0 doesn't resemble the unit I see here and I'm having a hard time removing my unit in the same way.
I yanked really hard and it came out. But I think I know why it was stuck. There was carbon paste all over it.
@@TBiggieboo oh, man! I’m glad you figured it out. Yeah, carbon paste is useful, but not when there is gobs of it all over what’s installed.
Years from now will this be looked at as a short lived good idea or will this be serviceable with parts readily available?
My biggest fear is that it will be a fad and not available. The cartridge itself isn't even serviceable. I'm glad this is Kate's bike and not mine 😬😄
I have a question about the Specialized Stem you bought for your wife. One of the things my LBS said was that stem combined with the FutureShock, because it has two shims essentially, it would make a lot of noise. Have you experienced that? I need to work on my reach a bit and thought this might be a good option for me as well.
No noise at all. Noise would be caused by movement and the shims are pretty tight without moment. Just make sure to torque them to spec. I think it’s a great option at finding what angle stem will work best. It’s also much less expensive than trying a bunch of different stems. Once you find which angle works best and want a lighter stem, you’ll know which angle you’ll need. Let me know how it goes for you.
20mm for the road is great, i think they should have done 30mm of travel if not more on the future shock 2.0 diverge with a complete lock out.
30mm and a full lockout? Man, I couldn’t agree more.
My futureshock replacement was $149 (1.5). In california. They gave me a discount as full price was 250. This replaced a futureshock on a 2018 diverge.
Yeah, I misspoke on the price. I accidentally quoted the price for the 1.0. I’ll have an update video soon where I’ll talk about the springs more and add a mea culpa about misquoting the replacement cost. Thanks, Craig!
@@GreatEgretAdventure no problem...if you are doing another video, maybe you can explain how the booster springs work. The FS works without the spring so what does the spring do? Seems to me that the booster spring will not even engage until the main spring starts compressing. But that can't be right. Btw, i had a fs 1.0 and they replaced it with a 1.5. I don't think the 1.0 is made anymore. Thanks!
@@craigvaughn1591 why did you have to replace it so soon ???
@@johngilmartin2146 there was about 5 mm of play in it. I could depress it by just pushing down on the handle bars. It would chatter when going over even small bumps. Bike had about 20,000 miles at time of replacement. New futureshock did not come with booster springs. I had the teck install old booster springs in new shock.. Still not sure what they do.
My next video will cover more on the Future Shock including more information on the booster springs. According to the Specialized rep I spoke with, the booster springs create more vertical stiffness. The booster spring isn’t necessary if you’re happy with how stiff the Shock is with just the primary spring. In fact, all 1.5 future Shock bikes now arrive without a booster spring installed. It’s up to the bike shop to ask the buyer what spring they want installed, if any, when someone buys a bike with a 1.5.
I need to know how to take the plastic cover off!
If you have a 2.0, there’s a 2mm hex on it that you loosen. If you have a 1.5, you unscrew it. I got mine started by loosening it with very very general pressure with a large vice grips.
So I have a 2021 specialize Evo with a flat bar with Future Shock 2.0 with adjusting ring. Looking to raise the height. Are spacers along with a different bar the only options I have? Looks like 15mm is the max I can raise it with spacers. Thanks for your prompt responses.
The other option is to get the shim so that you can swap out that Future stem for a standard stem that has a higher degree angle. 15mm is a lot of rise. That will affect the way your bike steers. Not in a bad way, but it will provide a different feel. I’d start with the spacers and then consider a new stem if you need more rise.
@@GreatEgretAdventure did you mean “not a lot of rise” ? I agree - that’s a little more than 1/2 inch. Was thinking about coupling that with a bar with more rise. the current one I have is a 10mm rise.So where would I get the shims? Specialized bike shop?
No, I mean 15 mm is a lot of rise. When it comes to bike geometry, handling, and steering, a 1/2” change will greatly impact how a bike feels, maneuvers, and steers. Especially steering. As little as a few mm can be noticeable. This is why spacers larger than 5mm are rarely used and why Specialized says to not go above 15mm. I’d start with the three 5mm spacers before making and other changes to the stem with the shim.
@@GreatEgretAdventure thanks for the great advice.
@@pault477 no problem, Paul! Good luck!
Would be curious to know how much the shock actually weight?
Oh, man! I should have done that! Next time I have it apart I’ll weigh it.
Anyone have a rough idea of the cost for a 2.0 Cartridge replacement? A bike fitter changing the stem broke mine and the local Spec shop is saying it’s going to be VERY expensive. Hoping it’s not too high, or it’s a pretty bad design.
I’ve heard $250 for the 2.0 cartridge. I’m working on a follow up video to this one and I’ll have a definitive answer soon. I’ll comment here when I do.
I just found out the 2.0 replacement cost is $515. The 1.5 is $250.
I have a question.
What about a service life of the future shock 1,5?
Some say that it is 500 hours and then it has to be replaced or serviced.
Around 2018, there were a lot of rumors around the 1.0 having a service life of 500 hours. I’ve never seen an official document from Specialized saying that 500 hours is the magic number. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. It’s possible it does and it’s possible that’s true for the 1.5 and the 2.0 as well.
Depending on the rider and riding environment, 500 hours is a lot of miles and ride time. After 500 hours, I’m servicing or replacing a lot of components. Including chains, tires, wheel truing, cables, derailleur indexing and cleaning, or brake fluid if I’m running hydros. Hopefully more servicing than replacing depending on how rough I am with everything. I’d treat the Future Shock like any other component, if it’s still working, keep using it and then get a replacement when it stops working.
@@GreatEgretAdventure So when it stops working what happens? Just stops functioning right? It will just feel rigid that is all?
@@bigbywolf6510 I have never known one to stop working other than another viewer on here told me a bike fitter broke his Future Shock. All the bike mecahnics i've talked to have never had to replace one. The 1.5 would likely fail because of the internal spring gets damaged. I don't think it would be rigid. It would likely feel crunchy. The 2.0 could fail because something goes wrong with the oil and no longer provides damping. I'm just theorizing here though.
@@GreatEgretAdventure Okay thanks for the reply, I really like the future shock and innovation.
Can the multi comp stem be installed on the future shock 2.0?
You can! Just use the insert so that a normal-sized stem fits on the Future Shock 2.0 cartridge.
@@GreatEgretAdventure could you please share you experience with FS, have you had it serviced? How many miles do you have on your bikes ?
How does this compare to the redshift stem? A 150 upgrade.
@@GreatEgretAdventure Thank you. What about the
Kinekt suspension stem ($180) compared to the redshift pro ($230)?
I'm going to test one out one of these days. I'll let you know!
What is your handlebar bag?
That’s the Orlieb Ultimate Six Plus. Super useful.
Or if you mean the one my Soma Wolverine, that’s the large Arkel.
Great explanation on the workings of the future shock. My only criticism would be that your delivery is much too fast. So much information to take in that a slower delivery would save having to replay over and over. But information was first rate.
Thanks, I used to get feedback on how slowly I delivered the info. I gotta find the balance between the two.
The cartridge(shock absorber) is ingenious: So I can "replace the cartridge for around $55". But If I want to buy a 2.0 bike instead of a 1.5 cartridge bike the cost is an additional $7,000? I am just getting into serious cycling but the costs( asking prices) are nuts. $10,500 buys a pretty nice, used Harley Davidson. Hydraulic damping is nothing new.
Unfortunately, the $55 I cited on here was from when the Future Shock 1.0 came out. The replacement cost of the 1.5 is $215 and the 2.0 is $515. Still way better than a new bike.
For my diverge, I got the same springs you show. If they are linear, seems the Diverge ships with these now. Could the springs have wider spaced coils under the color covered section? Maybe not.
I confirmed with Specialized and these days. all the Sport Carbon Diverge is supposed to ship with is the manual and springs. No shims or shorter duck-bill were supplied and the future shock was delivered without a spring installed. All good but anyone buying these should ask for your springs if you don't get them and double check what's in their future shock.
I’m going to do a follow-up video, I think. All the procedures here are correct, but I’m pretty sure I misspoke on a few things. I think the progressive spring in the permanent one in the cartridge and not the booster spring. I’ll confirm tomorrow. I also need to do a mea culpa about the cost of the cartridge replacement. It’s the 1.0 that’s $55. The 1.5 is $150 and I believe a 2.0 is $250.
Thanks for the info on the shims and the shorter duck-bill. I’ll include this information in the update video. Thanks!
@@GreatEgretAdventure I got all that stuff when I bought a new diverge carbon comp in March (the $3300 model with FS 1.5). Springs, shorter duck bill, the works.
@@seanvarley1365 Kate had a Comp for a hot second in spring of 2020 before trading it back for the Sport. She also got all the parts included with both bikes as well. Thank goodness because there I was able to do this video.
@@GreatEgretAdventure Whoops, no I have the Sport. I can't keep their naming convention straight. :) My wife got zero parts with her Ruby in 2019 though.
Naming conventions for these are hard to keep straight! I’ve had to reshoot an entire video once because I kept calling the Sport the Comp! 😂
Can you change the spring on future shock 2.0?
Nope. It’s fixed. The only way to adjust damping is with the dial and if the 2.0 breaks, the only option is to replace it.
@@GreatEgretAdventure and replacing the fs 2.0 is around $500 ish?
It was at the time of this video a little over a year ago, but I bet the prices have gone up a bit.
Ready for the bin after 2 years.
Did yours fail?
@@GreatEgretAdventure My 2.0 shock has completely seized after 6 thousand mainly dry miles.Around £500 for replacement in the UK.Shocking!!
That’s nuts! The worse part, as you already know, is you can’t replace it with another option like aheadset stem and headset.
The "Future Shock" is when the cartridge needs to be replaced, 1.5 $250 and 2.0 $500. That's a "Shock" for any rider in the "Future"
Ha! Ain't that the truth!
Really? Can i change my future shock 1.5 cartridge to a 2.0 :O :O :O i must have it :D
Great review and in depth explanations however I believe you talk just way too fast for most people over 60... 🙂
Thanks! There’s a setting to play videos at slower speeds below each video 🙂
Specialized has reinvented quill stems lol
😂
A non serviceable cartridge is a joke. Huge upcharge by Specialized for a minimal movement suspension gimmick in the fork, and a lot more money for Specialized dealers who make bank every time the thing breaks. At this point Specialized could market snow to an Eskimo and pull it off. LOL
You’re probably right about the future Shock being a gimmick and the up charge from Specialized. Kate doesn’t feel it’s needed on her Diverge and I’ll opt for adjusting my tire pressure for suspension on my bikes.
But it’s super rare that you would need to replace the cartridge. I know of only two from comments on here. One was because a bike fitter accidentally broke it. Every specialized bike mechanic that I’ve spoken to has never had to replace one. Most importantly “dealers” is a term typically used in the automotive world. Specialized bike retailers are independent bike shops and I’ll support them every way I can. Without them, there are less butts on bikes.
Just an excuse to charge $900 more for a gravel bike then the Rockhopper expert which by the way is a much better bike than this overpriced road bike 🙄 and no I only watched to see why this bike cost $2,300 and no I am not interested in a gritty road bike.
You see I like trail bikes real mountain bikes XC bikes are good too but gravel bikes.. I don't understand them, I think they were created for Roadies that wanted to keep their cycle and go off-road a little bit 🤬. But by doing so they're crossing over into XC mountain bike territory which I don't like either.
Dear God, I was very interested in the tech until watching this. Hard pass. I gotta get all my other tech skills honed and mastered before I give two shits about diving in here
All you truly need is a good bike with some great tires. Nothing fancy.
@GreatEgretAdventure couldn't agree more. I was talking about bicycle maintenence technician work but still agree, laugh
By nothing fancy, I mean a bike without the Future Shock. Which is what I believe you are giving a hard pass to. Sorry if I misunderstood that.
@@GreatEgretAdventure -- Ah, mutual apologies for mutual misunderstanding, laugh. All good 👍
Yet another expensive gimmick to go wrong.