Rogue Wildlife Officer who Charged Fabrats is not answering questions. We have the scoop.
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2023
- The wildlife officer that charged FabRats from CZcams hasn’t responded to our GRAMA request for the public charging docs. We have a good reason for pursuing this and I discuss it in this video
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No good deed goes unpunished, and no bad cop ever admits he made a mistake, or worse.
This is so true. But the real reason we can't talk about why they do this.
It took several months for Paul to get the okay to remove that boat. If those in charge were so worried about the condition of the mussels, why didn't they go LOOK and inspect the boat before giving Paul the okay? Glad FabRats was filming when the officer walked in and started talking. He was bold and brash....Paul was polite and respectful.
Because...they had common sense and knew the Q mussels were long dead. Paul has always demonstrated an eagerness to comply with laws and regs. Over officious LE ruin relationships with law abiding citizens. I'm proud of them for pursuing this to it's successful conclusion. They did everyone a favor.
If they felt a problem with the mussels was an issue, why wasn't that "Officer" present when they removed that boat from the dirt, or when they exited the lake area?
That officer who tried to frame Paul Cox should be thrown out of the legal system and have his own public employment record noted in all places that he was prone to issuing illegal proceedings and cannot be trusted in any position of authority. Any publicly funded pension scheme entitlement should also be cancelled and withdrawn.
all his pay should be repay to something paul want it to go towards
All cops fish. Don't answer questions
The officer could be “Brady’ed”. Meaning, he could be added to the list of officers who’ve been deemed non-truthful. After that, No prosecutors would accept anything legal related. Ie… persona nongrada.
@@patrickgreen2361 ha! Now days they use that for whistle blower cops. Not the actual bad cops
Not everyone is suited for every job. When he first demonstrated problems, he should have been moved to a position more suited to his talents and personality. To even suggest he should have what he is entitled to is as bad as his actions. Ask for him to be removed is legitimate, to seek retribution is vindictive.
Ask Paul, I suspect he agrees with me. And HE was the person who was treated improperly.
I'm not from Utah, but thank you for standing up for Fabrats and their good deed!
Always remember he works for the residents of Utah. Just because he forgets doesn't mean he shouldn't be reminded. This guy needs to be fired. To bad his retirement can't be taken.
No retirement
Who are you talking about?
@@donaldpereira2652 who are you talking about??
Even though he was overstepping his authority, firing and taking away his retirement is definitely over kill. A reprimand and warning then if that behaviour continues then take more severe steps.
@@dennispalmer6007he has a history of abusing his power.
That officer showed his colors when he asked about the removal of the boat from the water when it was obvious that the water had removed itself from the boat long ago. Fortunately Paul countered the officer immediately stating that it was not removed from the water and this was very clear on the video of the removal and the statements were equally clear in the recent video.
Did you hear that Liar (officer) say he watched the video, oh and by the way how many yards was the boat from water, wow. Here is the thing Game wardens are weaponized, given unconstitutional rights to crush citizens. They do not need warrants.....Know your rights, they are fish and game. Get it.....
Just play Hunter squealing like a girl because of the mice…lol. That should show and prove how long it had been dry.
@@slwsnowman4038right? I'll always remember that! 😂😂😂😂
The Judge in this case watched all these videos and promptly threw the whole thing outta court.
I watch Fabrats, Matt’s offroad,Robby Layton, Rudy’s Adventure & Design, etc. and I just subscribed to your channel. Please keep us updated of any progress on Fabrat’s case. That DNR officer should be fired knowing the history of him shooting the fawn in private property. Thank you.
Me to 👍
Yeah, That Guy seems to be more of a Problem to DNR than an Asset, he has done so many things wrong by the Populace that he needs to GO.
And ME!!!!!!!!!
We have similar likes, love utah and rock rolling
I wonder if anyone thanked them for helping to clean up the lake bed
Paul won by standing his ground. Charges dropped and video will be out soon.
Didn't know that. Good to hear. Hope he counter sues.
I hope so!
Super. Hope the public official gets shown the door.
Although it’s true the case was thrown out by the judge, Mr. Cox (FabRats) and his family is still out the cost of fighting the charge. It’s so ridiculous. Thanks for keeping the spotlight on this debacle.
He won but he paid an attorney and that’s money he won’t get back so he didn’t pay the state but his innocence wasn’t free!
Bureaucrats never admit they are or can be wrong.
Thanks for getting involved and posting this video. Paul, Michelle, etal are good people. That officer needs to be fired.
Keep on keeping on! So glad Utah has active citizens that know when legal lines are crossed👊🇺🇸👊
He was ON VIDEO at FabRats shop, saying he knew that none of those mussels were still alve!!
Law enforcement can lie to get a confession. That will stand up as a conviction in court.
@@mikeshanaberger7503 It should be a felony with loss of retirement and benefits for anyone in govt to lie to anyone in public including those running for office.
The dodgy public servant clearly forgot who he works for, and has shown the world that he is not oft for office.
Good thing FabRats has video proof of everything.
This is why there is not supposed to be so much union involvement with public employees. This turd officer obviously should have been fired years ago yet they just keep bumping him around to different units because they're all afraid to do their job and fire this bad apple. Common sense must prevail.
@@gearheadpnk98 unfortunately, it swings both ways too much when people don't act like adults and in this case, if you have seen the videos about his previous idiotic choices of actions as a public employee, I think you would agree that he is an employee who should have been fired long ago as a huge liability and potentially dangerous officer based on his previous actions of trespassing on private property and shooting a fawn in close proximity to children and people's homes, but was instead simply relocated because the paperwork and regs were too cumbersome to actually get him fired as he would have been in any regular private sector position.
I wonder who he is related to he sounds like a idiot power hungry
When there's union it gets even worse,, the exact opposite of what you state how it's supposed to be,, a bit of graft or a gratuity if you will and wammm now their all best friends covering each other's ass being lying abusive bullies
Post the phone numbers we need to call.
thats not it at all they love @$$clowns like this jerk the more insane he gets the promotions they will give the ideal cop is the ultimate @$$clown
Time for a class action lawsuit with every one that has dealings with these crooks.
Abuse of authority needs to be minimum 5 years in prison. Abuse of authority by armed authority needs to be minimum 15 years.
It would be a good first step.
But we ALL know why that won't happen. Sadly
Although it’s true the case was thrown out by the judge, Mr. Cox (FabRats) and his family is still out the cost of fighting the charge. It’s so ridiculous. Thanks for keeping the spotlight on this debacle.
Crazy how you win by only spending 10k dollars?
As Soon as Paul and Michelle posted the video and talked about what happened I thought this will be a PR nightmare for Utah DWR and DNR. It was mind boggling to say the least. A great group of people finding a families lost boat that had great memories tied to it. Then going to the trouble to go through government red tape, restoring the boat and returning it to the rightful owners. Then to get hit with these charges. It hurst my heart and my brain.
It just confirms a lot of opinions people have of cops and game wardens
Pretty much a traumatic memory with them almost drowning because no one would help them until the father tossed his child to the tour boat that came to say they would get someone to come.
@@billkaldem5099 At least the case got dropped. I still haven't heard the fate of the rogue officer. But it seems as though the Department head was defending the action of it's officer. Legislature needs to step in and do a better job of writing laws. Spirit of the law vs the letter of the law.
Thanks for putting this out into the light 🙂 Note: that boat was out of the water for many months (as shown by the many videos of it) prior to its recovery and .. In FabRats video the officer himself clearly states that he does not believe there were any live mussels on it and yet writes them a citation ...
Paul Cox is a good guy. If he had any question in his mind, he was doing something illegal he would've never retrieved that boat. As far as I'm concerned, judging this officer's past, he needs to be canned ASAP.
Paul even ask for PERMISSION to DO SO!
I am in the UK. I saw the FabRats video where they cleaned out that beached boat, high above the lake's waterline. There is no way any marine animal would have survived that stranding. I am willing to contribute to the FabRats' GoFund me if there is one set up. My impression of the Cox family and friends is that they are all polite and law abiding citizens. May they prevail!
They have. It hasn't caught up on the videos but charges have been dropped.
Government seems to be getting bigger and loosing common sense more than ever lately
Governor involvement - This worked in my state. We were a featured state for a wildlife officer TV show. Our governor was not pleased with what he saw and he shut it down.
I'm a real Off-road freak though cant afford it, but, I watch all Fabrats, Matt's Offroad, Robby Layton, and TrailMater. I'll start watching this channel also now. Thanks for the info
This stuff happens everywhere.I was winter camping in the middle of nowhere Wisconsin in -20 degree weather and was woke up by police and he wouldn't leave untill he could see inside my northface tent.I had not seen anybody for a week previous to that.I had not done anything.On another occasion I was sleeping in my tent and a female cop rips open my tent door and she could have got shot.Since my truck was at a friends camp she was probably going to rob me thinking I was gone.What gives them the right to enter my property?By the way this was not a state or county camping area but a private conservation camp area.
That's a violation of the 4th & 5th Amendments. Tell them that you will not answer questions, you do not concent to any searches, and to come back with a warrant. Then if they keep bothering you say that you believe your 5th amendment rights are being violated and that by remaining you feel harassed. That's unacceptable.
If you asserted your constitutional rights, you could get a $200K to $300k payout for their actions in federal court. Hold them accountable as they would to you.
Micah Evans is the officers name, his name should be mentioned because of his behavior. Let’s quite protecting him.
There are always one or two miserable human beings in all occupations.
The problem is one rotten apple spoiles the bunch. If the good officers don't put a stop to this then there aren't any good officers.
I just subscribed to your channel. I'm from Pennsylvania but even though I'm 70 yrs old I've considered making the trip to Utah because of Fab Rats. I love the work that Paul and his family does. In that same vain I detest that over officiating clown that brought those charges on them. I think if I do make the trip part of it will be to also meet that clown that did that to Fab Rats I'll make sure I embarrass him in front of people so everyone knows what a worthless waste of good oxygen he is.
Thank you for picking this up and getting to the bottom of this issue.
Just stumbled on to your youtube channel. Glad to see that someone with a public megaphone has the nerve to stir this pot. As you said in an earlier video (I looked it up) this State agency is tasked with removing navigational hazards from waterways. Why aren't they doing their job? Paul Cox and friends did just that, and unless those mussels can hold their breath for many months, there was no infraction here. Heck, even the mice were in the boat.
Hope you can get someone who really cares about Utah, besides yourself, to get some changes made. As you said, this is putting a stink on the state.
Glad I found this and subscribed. Looking forward to seeing more of your reporting. Thanks from south Florida!
I just subscribed because you gave the best explanation of this whole deal that I've heard. We have a code enforcement officer in my county that is on the same power trip as that guy. Keep up the good work!
Good to see you all standing your ground,
I email UDWR and they gave a BS just following the rules response. I told them that attitude is why normal citizens are wanting to defund law enforcement. They should want to get rid of officers that make the department as a whole look bad.
This tells you they don’t care about what the public thinks
Thanks for shining a light on this ridiculousness. No one wants the invasive species to spread. Education and awareness are the key, not police state actions like this guy chose.
Okay, when Paul first showed the yellow submarine project, and where it was at, my first reaction was didn't I see that boat in one of those lake level videos about a year maybe two ago? That boat hadn't seen water till Merlin hosed it off, I remember it because it was a pretty little vessel. Clean sharp lines and had held up fantastic, a good build. I was surprised the fiberglass was still intact as it was. In highschool I built Livingston boats, I still have a eight footer, I built in '77. Sitting next to my 13 ft. 10 inch, 1968 Chrysler Dart. And 66 Gulfstream 17 ft. I like old fiberglass boats, I rebuild them,my passing grade in woodshop in highschool was the eight ft wooden pram I hand built. Before screw guns,
I have been trying to plan a SXS trip to Utah with some friends. I think we might go somewhere else.
Give a small man a badge and he'll make an ass of himself every time
The “rogue” fish cop has overstepped before, and instead of disciplining or firing him, the moved him, and so he felt empowered to continue the ahole act.
Well you must know the universal rule: No good deed goes unpunished!
Sad as it is?
This is only true since some people seem to be in charge.
As they say?
You know who is in charge when you can't criticize them.
Thank you for sharing the latest on Fab Rats Take care and GBU
you have to rmember that our entire legal system has gone rouge many decades ago
Next question. Where was the DNR when they should have been cleaning up the lake trash when the water level was low? All that stuff should be removed rather than leave it for future generations to clean up. The DNR drop the ball on this one.
DNR actually working to clean things up....what glue are you sniffing lol its soooo much easier for the govt to let kind hearted saps go out and do that for them, then hit the sucker with red tape fines for doing the right thing...We had a similar issue down here in Arizona a while back with old cars left in the desert, the gov. even ran an ad to get people to help remove them, so people did and got quite a few from all over, then the gov, pretty much did the whole red tape illegal removal even to peeps who had gotten the permits...Moral of the story GOVT doesn't give a shit it just wants free money and will make up any excuse to get it.
There should be a " False Representation Fine " for ' Johnny on the Spot(s) ' .
First Offence - $10,000.00
Second Offence - $25,000.00
Fired - May not ever work as a law enforcement again at any capacity.
If all "law enforcement agents" in all of their perspective fields, were required to obtain and pay for their own malpratice/wrongful arrest, or malicious prosecution bonds. 99% of the corpuption cases involved with "qualified immunity" complaints would not take place at all. If, they can not be held accountable for what they did wrong, they will continue to do as they "feel" knowing there are no consequences for their actions..!
I think the State of Utah keeps rogue officers like that because some people will just pay the fine instead of paying an attorney.
I just wanted to let you know that people in Nampa Idaho are watching. I worked at the Idaho State prison in 1984 when an inmate named Claude Dallas was housed there. He's the guy that became famous for shooting that ass hole Idaho game warden in Paradise Valley Nevada. This guy you're dealing with is just like the guy Claude Dallas shot.
Pogue if I'm remembering correctly.
Was scrolling the comments to see if anyone else was making that connection.
Thank You for following up on this.
This is why Jury nullification needs to happen.
Exactly
I like what you're doing and what you're about...subscribed
It is fun to see wars between the counties and the state. Back in the summer of 1969, as a summer job between college studies, I threw garbage for Salt Lake County. One day, as we were headed toward the dump, we ran into a road block were the State Highway Patrol was doing spot inspections of the county trucks. As this was before cell phones, it took a while for the news to reach the county offices. When it did, the county was highly upset. Not sure if it was a commissioner who called or not, but essentially the state was told to stop the BS immediately. The state was informed that the county had Mounties too, and there were plenty of state vehicles that could be ticketed, if they wanted to pursue their nonsense. Strange as it may appear, the road blocks vanished. Imagine that!
Our government is out of control from the top down.
Keep the pressure up , good job, Tony , Southampton UK
Thanks for Standing Up...
Good on you for keeping up the scrutiny on this Bozo...subscribed!
I'm surprised they didn't get Paul for taking the mouse house too.
CZcamsrs like fabrats are great for tourism in Utah but I think these cops are jealous of their success and try and take them down a notch.This has become common place with cops coming after youtubers
Look what Whistlendiesel is going though in Tennessee, it’s the same type of crap and then they tried to offer him a deal if he did a public service announcement. He told them NO.
Thanks for covering this. I like your channel.
officer admitted on camera that the mussels were dead. need to review report and charge him with false statements on report
Thanks for giving this situation traction.
Fab Rats was doing a good deed for someone else. Just trying to clean up the lake and cleaning it up, and giving the boat back.
You are sooooo correct. DNR and DWR are making the state of Utah look so bad. Keep fighting this fight, keep up the good work.
Because of stuff like this is why you have first amendment auditors out there making videos.
Yes expose people on a power trip!
There's a fine line between hard and retard. Most 1st amendment auditors are on the R side.
The fact that fabrats recovered the boat, fixed it up and returned it to its owners is thumbs up in my book 👍🏻
Quagga/Zebra mussels primarily move from one place to another through human-related activities. They attach to hard surfaces and can survive out of water for up to a week. The microscopic larvae also can be transported in bilges, ballast water, live wells or other equipment that holds water.
Wow. This entire ordeal which includes the then and now actions of one or more officers has really stirred up a mess. Utah is a pretty state and I'm sure anyone who watches your channel and the fab rats know your all good law abiding people. There's a lot of good officers that are not so ego driven out there but I have to say, times are a changing. Let's hope what you and many others are doing in Utah, shines a light on what's broken in your states governmental depts and just maybe other neighboring states governmental depts will take notice and maybe dig into any bad apples of there own. Thanks for sharing
"Rogue wildlife officer" LOL. If you think that's a rogue wildlife officer than I'm thinking you haven't interreacted with very many Fish Cops, because this is how every one I've ever run into has acted. They have broad powers and love using them.
Yup. From everything I've heard about this case and that office, he should be riding a desk for the rest of his career.
And that's being kind, he should actually be unemployed.
If I was that officer I would not feel safe anywhere in that state or where anyone knew me
thanks for the support for fab rats
The warden going onto private property to kill a deer that was raised from a fawn. Way overstepping his authority. He’s lucky someone didn’t shoot back !
Thanks for this video.
The only thing living on that boat when Paul and his group recovered it, was some mice. Remember when Paul went out just to try and locate it and it was high and dry, then he said it took a couple of months to get the approvals to actually recover it. It was still high and dry when they went back and got it out. I know the water level did not come up and go back down in that time frame. lol
Brother, I don't know how to tell you this. But.... You have a smoke alarm going out.
More incompetent bureaucrats, imagine that.
You betcha, I subscribed to this channel!!!
“The Rule of Lenity” provides that when a criminal statute is ambiguous, the interpretation must be made in the citizen’s favor, not the state’s!
They have done that same check point just outside of hanksville ut and they stopped every boat coming home from powell
At Lake Tahoe, they inspect all water craft before being able to launch.
Don't let the request drag out,if you can afford a lawyer lodge an application with a court to get an order to produce or to dismiss.
More reason we need drastic oversight and review of our government employees
Commenting to spread the word
ive followed Fab Rats for a few years and their close friends and thay are all good people. im in Arkansas and considering for awhile of doing business with Fab and Robbie Layton etc!
We live in CO and go toBullfrog several times a year. When they have the decon station open (about half the time when we come off the lake) and they find out we’re going back to CO, they don’t even inspect let alone decon. So if people are bringing mussels out of Powell whose fault is it really?!?
Could the state or county provide an area to wash boats when they come out of the water if they are so concerned about quaga muscles? That would be the obvious solution to me to prevent the spread of quaga muscles. Sound like a money collection scheme to set up a check point. As you said, not good public relations at all.
Good work
There was also a situation with Robby Layton with his stretch limo he turned in to a 4x4. Thank you for what you do!
The Utah YT guys run fast and loose with the highway vehicle regulations. You're not supposed to throw rocks at those following you. There's a reason for fender and mudflap regulations.
@@frankhage1734nd it was Hillbilly who got stopped for speeding that drew attention to it. I don't know where Whistlindiesel got his fine for splashing with his jetski. Was that Utah too?
Not true, most the time they trailer there vehicles from area to next.
@@frankhage1734 Agreed. Watching the way some of these Utubers throw cars & trucks together is frightening. Most of them would not pass a DOT/MOT test in Canada, Europe or Australia. ATB regards
@garyc5483 but they aren't in any of those places you named you your comment is irrelevant.
Was planning to come down and ride this fall, thinking of finding some other state that can control their officers.
They make the laws vague intentionally so they can make it fit wherever they want it to fit
good job
The unfortunate part is the assholes make the rest of us look bad.
As I tell my brother, when I see you arrest a fellow officer on the spot for committing a crime, I'll believe you are really trying to clean up the act. How many videos do you have to see of officers breaking laws in front of other officers and it takes 6months for any charges to be filed if they are.
Yeah, he has so little to do he has to invent nonsense
I saw the clip and I'm from New Zealand, so you can say it went worldwide. Go Fabrats
It has now been thrown out of court
I sincerely hope that you and we the peopwe'll go after thit's poor excuse for a public servant blessings from Southern Oregon
If DNR had removed the boat like they should have when the water receded this would not have happened. Don’t remember who Paul Cox or Merlin mentioned they asked if the could remover the boat. Did they get ticketed also as an accessory in this crime? Does state have washing stations setup to insure all muscle are left at lake?
That wild life officer made a great job at raising awareness about the mollusk infestation. He certainly was not too subtle about it, but nobody is above the law, and he should be commended for doing his job.
Great video
Good to see they dropped the case.
DNR was just flexing there quagga muscles 😄
...so change your smoke detector battery already, this video freaked my adopted Doggo, (Miss Pickles, who in the past obviously was traumatized by some fire and alarm event...her problem, not yours or mine) she heard that thing beeping and ran to the door to get away...lol.
Just think of all the B.S. citations these rogue officers write to out of state Offroaders, Boaters, Hunters ect. Unfortunately it's all about the money.