TV's Scandalous Christian Family and Their Fundamentalist Cult | The Duggars and IBLP Documentary
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This documentary is about the many scandals of TLC's most beloved Christian family and their fundamentalist cult, The Institute of Basic Life Principles.
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Mam, Josh just doesn't learn does he??? That guy is something else!!
That last mug shot...
He is smirking!!!
Totally smug
That last mug shot...
He is smirking!!!
Totally smug
Actually, it is correct that theoretically you can miscarry on birth control. There’s stories of people getting pregnant on birth control. It does have a 2-3% failure rate. Most birth control works in 2 ways- it dries up cervical mucus so sperm cannot live long enough to fertilize the egg and it thins the lining of the uterus. It doesn’t stop conception. So you could conceive and miscarry bc the lining would be so thin that it couldn’t hold a baby. The woman would not know she miscarried bc the baby could be so small. In my work as a fertility care teacher we encourage women to wait to achieve pregnancy until they are 3-6 months post pill to give the uterus time to strengthen back up. So, if she got pregnant And actually carried the baby it could be possible that her uterus was too weak to carry the baby to term from being on the pill. Pope Paul VI institute has done this research if you’d like to verify. And also if you look up how birth control works you’ll see it just manipulates hormones and doesn’t necessarily stop conception in every situation. This evidenced by the fact there are cases of people still getting pregnant while on birth control.
There probably a whole lot more to this that we are not ever going to know!
“Saying there’s too many children is like saying there’s too many flowers.” Well, if you don’t have enough money to buy soil, water, and gardening equipment nessecary to keep the flowers nourished and you don’t have enough time to care for all the flowers properly, then yeah, there are too many flowers.
It seems like they don't think before they speak huh?
Flowers can be neglected like children 🎉
There's flower allergies too.
I think those people feel the church and everyone else will provide them things. Like free loaders
My aunt was of the quiverfull mindset and had 11 kids and DEFINITELY not enough resources to provide sufficient attention or quality of life. Every time my mom asked the kids what they wanted for Christmas, the answer was always food. Dry goods like cereal or canned soup. Imagine being 12 and asking for box potatoes for Christmas. The older kids did all of the parenting and disappeared off on "mission trips" as soon as they could, to places like Siberia and South Africa, and made every effort to live as far away as possible when they came back. Clearly, the soil not only couldn't support the flowers, but was actively toxic to them. Now the younger kids are grown up, the husband is dead, she's converted to a pentacostal cult, and none of her kids want anything to do with her. They're all in a hell of a lot of therapy, too. 😮💨
She gushes about her fun happy childhood and then makes her own kids childhood full of restrictions and forced to become parents to their siblings... what a selfish woman.
I remember when this was a series about them on TV. Never paid any attention to it, just figured it was stuid people having as many kids for attention. Now that I know religion was behind it, it makes sense. Religion needs to be banned in this country, its dangerous and unnecessary,.
Fr. Horrible parents that did not need to breed
💯💯💯
Amen
Imagine being indoctrinated by a guy named "Jim Bob"
Couldn't do it with a straight face. 😆
🥴😵💫😱😱😱
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Could that sound more American?
I damn sure couldn't do it. He could be Jim or Bob, but not both. That's awful.
At 24:03 she says "my oldest daughter, Jill." Jill is the 2nd oldest daughter. Jana is the oldest. She can't even keep track of the order of her children.
It's apparent Jana is regarded as being a cost-effective nanny rather than a daughter.
The fact Jim Bob and Michellle cut contact with her sister for beeing a lesbian and their own daughter for wanting a fair cut of the money but keep defending and suporting Josh who is in jail for unthinkably horriffic things just blows my mind. Those who defend evil must be evil them self
Yup & they hide behind religion.. SO typical - fake any good, hide allt he bad!
There are pretty recent pictures of Meech & her lesbian sister. So, idk how estranged they are?
The fact that Jim said-"We talked to our friends and they said they had these issues in their homes too." Is sooo fuqed up! It's a fuqin epidemic in their cult!!!
@@beautyonabarnbudget yes!! Thats also just so insane. To them that sort of stuff is just normal
The thing you have to understand is that in cults everyone is brainwashed to protect the cult and its power structure. Cults are really all about hyper-controlling members and the members themselves are brainwashed to participate. Downplaying and covering up abuse protects the cult's image. Pressuring members to keep them in line protects the cult structure. Rewarding the people in charge and protecting them keeps the leaders loyal to whoever is running the cult. That is why they will claim they want to "protect" women and children by controlling every aspect of their lives, but will cover up when men in the cult abuse them behind closed doors. The men are the leaders, so they will always be protected unless it threatens the cult's image. The blame for men's actions will be shifted onto women/girls because it's their "job" in the cult to protect and submit to men. The men will continue to be given access to power through their control and power over women and their children because it keeps the men loyal.
It’s sick to hear the mother brag in her high pitched fake voice about how spoiled she was and amazing and great her childhood was only to force her children to perform for the camera, subject them to sexual abuse, force the girls to be mothers instead of having a childhood and on top of it all keep all their money. Gross!!!!!
OMG! That voice is SICKENING! *shiver
I hate her voice. Narcissist, if there ever was one
That voice is torment on another level. She sounds like a 7 year old and it's creepy
@@MegaDiva1999Google Priscilla Waller
Most of all in the name of God. He knows all and sees all.
The fact that Josh told them *multiple times* that he had been disgusting and they did nothing and just shrugged it off in the interview seriously blew my mind.
they really seem to downplay it too!
@@olympianagel9379they downplay the incidents and exaggerate what the punishment was.
They’re clearly clueless when it comes to escalation
He was only going to get worse
Harpo Studios did more to protect the Duggar kids than their own parents ever did. That's so sad.
NIKE is not a very good code word. Isn't their slogan "Just Do It"?
🤣 brilliant
I don't know. That does seem to check out, considering everything.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, but they probably meant it as look at your shoes
😆😂
So odd that Michelle had such a happy childhood but set her girls into having to raise all the children as children.
I don’t think her childhood was that great. After her parents married her off at 17 they packed up and moved back to Ohio. I always wondered was Michelle’s “parents” were really her grandparents. If you’re confused by that I wonder if one of the Ruarks daughters had a baby as a teen and that baby was Michelle and they raised her as their daughter and not granddaughter. That happened often back in the 60s and 70s
I'm sure she was molested too
@@virgosbonnet7896 Hmmm… She did mention the age difference, and that she was an aunt before she was born.
@@jtixtlan Yes. All of Michelle’s siblings were born in the mid 40s and early 50s then she comes along 12 years later in the late 60s. She looks a lot like Kathie Ann Ruark Arnold (1952-2013) who was 14 when Michelle was born. I wouldn’t be surprised if she’s Michelle’s birth mother.
She joined a cult. JB knew Michelle was religiously naive. IBLP is a cult.
I’m appalled how Michelle had such a happy childhood, and looks back on her childhood fondly, and then makes her own children miserable and tears down whatever shred of personality they have.
The woman who testified against Josh was not the 5th victim. Her name is Bobye Holt. She and her husband were close family friends to the Duggars and Josh was betrothed to their oldest daughter. They are the ones that told Jim Bob that Josh HAD to be removed from the house. He confessed what he had done to his victims to her.
This video seems to have a problem with getting the facts wrong. They were wrong about the family selling their home (what they sold was one of their real estate properties that they don't live in), and they mentioned women not being allowed to wear makeup in IBLP. I don't know if IBLP specifically has a stance, but the Duggars clearly don't mind as their daughters wore makeup even while living in the home and it was never mentioned that they weren't allowed to.
It's a shame because it makes it harder to believe them when they DO tell the truth.
@@chesiregirlso a few facts were inaccurate, big deal. It’s hard to distinguish between fact and word of mouth sometimes. I’ve covered the Duggars extensively on my podcast and while I like to be sure that all of my information is accurate, I won’t get everything right sometimes and that’s ok.
@@katscratchfever3506that's very true !! U can research until u are blue in the face..nothing is going to be 100. I don't have a channel or podcast or anything but when I'm just doing research for personal reasons, I've noticed discrepancies in certain stories. One site will say one thing while another will say something a bit different even when u are using reputable sites. U do the best u can. Im new to this channel but from what I've seen so far I think she does well.
There's a lot to be said about the Duggar parents, but: TLC is disgusting for bringing this family publicity, continuing to air their propaganda even after it was revealed they were not sunshine and roses, *and* for allowing the father to sign contracts for his *adult* children. And then throwing up their hands and shrugging when one of the adults wanted to be paid separately.
@FeministCatLadySpinster agreed. Seems like every reality TV network (TLC, Bravo, etc) is scandalous like that behind the scenes. Sad.
Plus the Today show that started highlighting the huge numbers of kids they had before the TLC show. As a career person with no kids, disturbed the heck out of me.
TLC was an enabler to The Duggars as well as countless of other people.
I don't think common morals n ethics are things TLC gives a fuck about when there is money to be made
@@allaroundarbiter4809Yep. Their beliefs might state that the father is "head of the house"... but that doesn't mean you circumvent actual law to feed into their religion.
When he was 14, my step son was caught molesting an 8 year old. His Mom and I aren't fans of each other, but I will always give her massive credit for calling us and getting him out of her home to protect the younger children. We also contacted law enforcement, even though it broke her heart. She did what she needed to do to protect the younger children in her home. I was afraid that having a probation officer coming to my home would effect me professionaly, especially as the first one chose to contact my supervisor's boss to inform her of his charges and that he was living in my home because we work for the same agency. There is NO excuse for SA, CP, or covering up that behavior.
You guys are awesome parents. The victim must be very relieved that you guys took their side and didn't protect your son. As a victim of cocsa, I wish my parents had done something even tho it was my cousin and we didn't even live together. I'm very sure your other children would never forget what you have done for them, how you protected them and made sure they don't have to go thru any trauma. Please keep it up. I think even after leaving home after your children become adults, they will want to come back because you've made sure it's a safe place for them.
@KN-hg2nv He is 24 now. He hates us because we ruined his life by making him go to therapy, do his homework, and held him accountable for lying, stealing, and getting high in his room. He doesn't live with us or see us anymore. I don't mind because living with him was a terrible experience and I think we are all better off going our separate ways as adults. But you know what? We helped protect children we are not related to and will never see again and I sleep well at night knowing we tried and got appropriate evidence based treatment from a liscensed professional for son and helped protect the others. I'm sorry to hear that no one took action on your behalf. If you want to come be one of my babies, I'll get you to therapy and kick anybody ass that mistreats you!
I’m also a survivor of CHIMO & CR from immediate family and other relatives… What does COCSA stand for/mean? If you don’t mind me asking.
@@rikkileannyarbrough I'm no expert, but I think it is child on child SA
@@rikkileannyarbrough Yeah what metalcatmom said. Also I'm sorry you had to go thru that.
The fact that JimBob said the girls didn't know what Jish was doing is absolutely absurd. Lying through his teeth. Jill TOLD her parents! This monster is sick! 😡
Even if they know that does not friggin justify ANYTHING
I can't believe the priests response to hearing about someone raping kids is forgive and forget.
No that's typical.
How ironic when asked if having so many kids means they don't get enough individual attention, Michelle says, "Well my oldest daughter Jill says..." Ummm, Michelle, Jill is not your oldest daughter, Jana is. Maybe your kids aren't getting enough individual attention.
She actually said older not oldest
Isn’t Jessa the oldest??
Jill is the oldest.
No, she's not! Jana is.@@riri2170
@@iwantthe80sback59Jana is oldest daughter followed by Jill then Jessa.
I 100% believe Josh isn’t the only one doing horrific things. This is a sick level of brainwashing
He had to learn it somewhere
I don’t believe Josh viewed demonic material, and neither does Anna or his parents, or others who know Josh well and heard the trial, and know far more then we (or the secular jurors or secular judges) know about Josh. His children would have told their mother and other family members by now, if their father was inappropriately touching them. There is way too many people being put in jail for demonic false accusations, and when they are found innocent years later, these false accusers (after making tons of money off of all their demonic multiple kangaroo court proceedings), don’t have to pay anything for their lies and deceit! The public pays millions of dollars and order the evildoers to remain silent if they loose their compensation for the evil done to them!
Your false Church and antichrist government (who control media and legal system, etc…) and all their naive followers, are the ones who are brainwashed!
The Duggar parents are, and all their children were all followers of KJV bible, except for Jill and Jinger who now follow their husbands cults (lead by false gods)! Following the KJV Bible is the only way to the truth, and the light! It is the only way to Christ so people who are following the KJV bible are not “brainwashed”, it is the people who aren’t following the KJV bible that are deceived and who unwittingly become the false accusers doing Satan’s work for him, while thinking they are helping God and His children!🙏
He definitely wasn’t the only one!
@@EverydayGworl like you would know!
@@veritaslux644Does the cult have a forum where they mustered the defense squad or something?
And she stayed spoiled after she married and started having kids ..her kids became maids and babysitters..Michelle just stayed pregnant..
That sweet, whispery voice being present all the time in mama Duggar’s speech is scarry!
sweet is not scary?
@@cosmicreef5858terrifying because it's fake . 10× outta 10 she's a monster behind the scenes
That gross photo where they are all dressed in those red outfits is the legit definition of 'tell me you are in a cult without telling me you are in a cult' 😢
Handmaids in training.
Reminded me of that psycho abusive family with the Disney outfits. And the matching outfits for their Vegas wedding thing
It was a thing in the 90’s … so many ackward matching family photos like that in my childhood albums 😆 princess Diana wore a dress similar to those with the red and the white pilgrim collar. It was quite fashionable for a while.
@@kerriwilkie1694 yeeees!!! 100%
Lol.
I thought they were dodgy the first time I heard about them. Sickening that a tv station gave them a programme. Sickening that so many watched.
They've had more kids than a lot of feral cats. You might as well be proud of yourself for pooing.
That really makes me angry hearing her tell her story about her great childhood that she denied her own children.
Brainwashed
Same here, I was screaming at my phone
Because she's a scumbag.
I hate that condescending tone too. It's like she's rubbing their faces in it.
It's narcissism.
Don’t have sex, be modest, no outside influence.
Buttt we’re going to obsessively talk about sex pretty much from birth, anyone who’s married basically humping in front of them, and the repression of normal hormones & feelings…it must be so confusing.
These kids never stood a chance
Yeah. I bet this shit f----d up Joshs mind pretty much.
Most likely he was teached from when he was a little boy that masturbation is of the Devil and that sexual thoughts is a deadly sin.
All this indoctrination while his own dad had a constant boner and f----d like a rabbit.
The only thing that surprises me is that the parents didn’t flat out blame the daughters for tempting their brother. ‘Cause, you know, men can’t possibly control themselves.😡
They didn't afaik, but that is in the IBLP handbook, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did in private.
(Yes the IBLP has an entire section in their handbook about domestic SA. Not a good sign, but then Gothard was a predator himself.)
The dad dressing his daughters and wife up like something from the handmaids tale made me sick. The rage I feel for these cults.
Making them shop at goodwill and yard sales....they can afford nice clothing for their children ..but no...they hoard up all that money
I bet you don't rage against muslims, liberals only rage against Christians (and israel)
I remember the 'swimming' episode where they were wearing -modest- bloomers or something, which doesn't seem like a fun time
the way michelle compares her son assaulting her daughters to gay people makes me sick. it’s as though to her her son abusing her daughters is on the same level as two women holding hands.
yep. In my experience, if someone brings up that being a p**o is like being gay, equates it to being gay, or says people might get "confused" about p**dophilia if gay marriage is allowed, regardless of their orientation and gender, you need to run. They are telling you the only reason they think p**dophilia is wrong is that people disapprove of it. they are telling you they do not understand the difference between consensual relationships between adults (or teens of the same age, as many people do start experiencing attraction before reaching legal adulthood...certainly we don't disagree with that when a 15 year old boy has a crush on one of the female cheerleaders) and an adult having a relationship with a child (or, at least, do not feel that distinction is at all important). No sane person who's not a p**do or brainwashed by one has any confusion...even if they aren't exactly vocal gay right supporters they still aren't confused about what's different...if they don't think any reasonable person can tell the difference freaking run and never let children near them. they are telling you how their mind works.
I've heard worse, one Japanese official once commented on a rape case that at least men are still f----ing women these days.
also you just know she would not hesitate to cut contact if any of her kids were gay and refused to pretend to be straight.
@@crstph they are just beyond sick!! Those girls deserved better parents!!
Erm, no.
A friend of mine who is lesbian told me….
At least five of the oldest boys are gay, (but Jim-boob and Mochelle forced them to marry)……“John-David is in his early 20’s but isn’t courting, that’s a problem,’ Michelle said many years ago.
She also told me that Jana is lesbian, and while she IS allowed to visit her at California, Jim-Boob HAS to go with her to ‘chaperone,’
Those boys and Jana were sent to ‘conversion’ camp, Jana was sent…twice.@@crstph
I'm glad I didn't grow up in a strict cult. My family is Christian, but they let me, my older sister, and my brothers be kids with a few boundaries.
Josh needs to be locked up for the rest of his life.
Edit: HIS WIFE EVEN SUPPORTED HIM EVEN THOUGH HE CHEATED ON HER?! WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS FAMILY?!
They're fundies, that's what wrong with them.
Wow... No Jim, its not rape, it is MOLESTATION. The way he tries to minimize Josh's actions... no wonder he turned out the way he did. He felt like he could do no wrong.
Ofc they are men & IF they do something wrong it's women's fault & everyone is expected to forget it ever happened.
And that mother actually said it happens in lots of families!!! Like what their son was doing was normal. What disgusting people.
So true he think that it was okay to do
@@It-is-me...Melsieunfortunately it does happen a lot and as awful as that is it is true. 😢
@@gotes25 She made out that it was common. She was minimising the severity and creepiness of what he'd done.
Yes, it happens too much but it is not in any way common or usual. In fact the vast majority of siblings get the major ick at the thought of anything sexual each other.
Not only did Jill or Jessa not get paid by their father for any of their time on the 19 Kids and Counting, their father forced them to keep his empire alive with the spin off Counting On. So basically RimJob forced his daughters to keep earning money that supported their abuser. Such disgusting and disturbing behavior from a parent that's supposed to love and care for you.
RimJob, I can't- 🤣that's too good.
It really shows who he was looking out for. Not his daughters, but himself, his pockets, and his "ministry."
I will never refer to this man as anything but RimJob from now on
😂😂 ‘RimJob’
They call him RimJob on another social and I think it's perfect! LMAO 🤣🤣🤣
I grew up in Northwest Arkansas. The Duggars have property and businesses in or near my hometown. Jim Bob would shake down restaurants for group discounts instead if paying dor everything. Kids aren't collectibles. Older kids shouldn't be responsible for raising their younger siblings.
I grew up in a similar church. Women weren't allowed an opinion, had to wear dresses, couldn't cut their hair, no makeup & only a watch & wedding band. I was in it until I was 15. I'm 48 now & I still find myself struggling with the outlandish teachings. SA is rampant in these types of cults. The pastor of my church would "counsel" women of the church, married or not. He even tried to "counsel" my mom, who was his son's wife. It didn't matter. If he wanted...he took. I don't think he ever did anything to young girls though. You see & hear things as a young child, no matter how much adults think you don't & it causes damage. Sometimes for your whole life. These cults need to be shut down for the safety & sanity of the children. Oh yeah...the pastor of this church, my grandfather, went to seminary school & was close friends with Jim Jones of Guyana fame. That ought to tell you what we were dealing with.
I can’t stand Oprah Winfrey for a lot of reasons but I have to say I am so happy she turned Josh in for what he did. Also, I don’t believe for one second that Josh only touched the girls over their clothes and I don’t believe they didn’t know what happened to them.
I watched the amazon special and I don't remember them saying it was FOUR of his sisters ..... these parents are going to have to stand in front of God. It's really sad about all of this, it's entertainment for us but these are real children living in this environment. It's all so sad.
Joy was touched vaginally when Josh had her on his lap while leading Bible study while He was babysitting...this was after all the SA with his 3 other sisters had happened...disgusting...
Oprah herself is a victim of CSA, and contributed to a federal bill that led to a database of registered offenders. She has professional, legal, and moral obligations to report such depraved acts.
@@minininininiur god is what starts all these cults LMAO
@cris_the_coder and that doesn't excuse their behavior. People have twisted God's words to fit there corrupt hearts. God is perfect, humans are the error. You can see how some Christians are COMPLETELY against these teachings and show how they go against the Bible.
She’s not just brainwashed, she’s an enabler. If she had any sense she would take those kids and run. She probably needs to be re-examined as a fit parent.
She wasn't and never will be a "fit" parent. She's a slosh.
NOT brainwashed . . . brain dead! DFC or CPS swooping down on all of them! Chances are slim to none but maybe TLC could capitalize on it 🙃
TBH, her children should be taken away from Anna, get therapy and be protected from every kind of abuse. And Anna and Josh's parents should be prosecuted and imprisoned too.
But she’s not a fit parent. If she was she wouldn’t have had children with a child predator.
She's not an enabler. She's a fucking abuser. Yet America insits anyone who wants to raise slaves has a right to breed as many as they want. They even encourage that shit. Hell in Louisiana she can make money by marrying them off at 14. That's whats sitting under the American dream. Those are our laws.
Me and my grandma used to watch this show years ago it amazes me how those people were able to keep their family secrets hidden away from limelight especially with Josh
Right. The truth has a way of getting out.
The mom's voice and overall happy face scares me.
These parents are disgusting. How do you publicly try to justify sexual assault inside your own family. It amazes me that they didnt look at their parenting style for the root cause.
Exactly
but it could never be them, it was SATAN lol
Well, because they believe they parent their kids in the way God would want, so unless they wanted to break down their generations of cult religion, there was no way they would step back and evaluate. To question it would be questioning God in a way for them.
Not only that but they blatantly lied about their daughters being asleep and not knowing anything happened. They did know, they were worried they’d be blamed for it. Then these POS parents made their daughters do that damn Megan Kelly interview. Over and over again, they’ve shown that they’d rather defend their pedo son over their daughters.
Doesn't seem very Christian does it?
Jim Bob's claim that his daughters did not know about Josh's sexual abuse b/c they were asleep IS A LIE. No daughter or female could sleep through that, unless they had been drugged!
Even then it would NOT make the assault less of an assault
58:12 Josh has just a little bit of a smirk on his face in his mugshot that I’d be happy to help him with…
He always had a smugness to him even when he was questioned by the authorities about the downloads. He thought he could get away with it by acting clueless but luckily the lead investigator knew he was guilty.
The sex education given by Jim Bob to a daughter's groom was beyond disturbing.
Why does Michelle stare at her husband like he is a pure GoD?!?! It’s TRULY TRULY more creepy than almost ANYTHING else about this family?!?
She’s waiting to hear what lies he says next so that she knows what to say. Been there.
🤢🤢🤢
That has always creeped me out, just hangs on his every word
It’s how women are trained in that cult. I kid you not.
That's because you've never had anyone love you that way... and you've obviously never felt the same. Im not defending the Duggars here Im just saying that true love is a real thing. Don't settle for anything less!!
@@Bribosome nope ,the women are trained to look at their husbands like that. It’s part of Gothards belief that women and children are beneath the fathers of the family. And to imply you know how deeply a stranger is loved or has loved is just silly nonsense.
I had to deal with these idiots at the Abraham Lincoln Library and Museum and WOW they thought they were untouchable and weren't used to following rules. I put them through the ringer at the security checkpoint: made them throw out snacks, no soda, water only for children or medical needs, forced them to put backpacks in the coat check, no strollers, forbid them from carrying children in their shoulders (seriously for the child's safety because the museum floor consists of cement and marble tiling). And my gawd their children were beyond undisciplined. One little girl grabbed on to one the Lincoln children statues neck and VIOLENTLY shook it. It was nuts! They were nuts!
That doesn't surprise me. Their TV persona was the opposite of real life.
That's what happens when children raise children :(
Facts!! I worked at a restaurant the visited. It was a buffet. They were so entitled rude and Jim Bob a true asshole. They left a mess and absolutely no tip. I guess there server was supposed to just feel honored to be graced with their presence.😡
Surprised given that they are followers of the Pearls who promote beating your kids into submission starting at infancy
I believe it. I read on a Duggar snark page. A woman was renting a house from a man Jim Bob was friends with. He wanted to put some political signs in their yard. The lady was like no. She said Jim Bob was so rude and condescending to her. She even said to herself. He's nothing like he portrays on TV.
My mom had 10 kids. Her doctor also said if she got pregnant again, it would kill her. She stopped having kids.
I come from a family of 8 and the whole older brother S.Aing the little sisters seems to be a trend in large families. I think it happens more often than people think, smh
You know, I had 9-10 miscarriages, a twins still birth then almost 8 years worth of IVF. We did have a beloved child. But I don't choke up and fill my eyes with glycerine tears when I am asked to think back on my "lost" children. She cries more for her miscarriage than she does for her daughters, abused by her son. BAH!!
I agree !!!
Not at all defending her, and my sincerest sympathies to you, but some people tear up easily over almost anything, including me. I hate it but can’t help it. Again, I’m not defending this woman. I’m just, in general, and nothing to do with this case, saying you can’t judge people by whether they cry or not.
I've had 12 pregnancies. . . 3 living children and pregnant with my 4th . . I don't cry I'm sad & it hurts sometimes like I could HAVE had all these babies but it wasn't meant to be. So . . We move on & we love & live. She's a fkin weirdo
@@user-gj1pq5zm4lSame. I am devastated by lost pregnancies, and am heartbroken and tearful when it comes up. I don’t just say “Eh, i’ve got 4 others, guess is wasn’t meant to be” and then judge other people for crying for their lost children. Especially while having 3.5 healthy babies, like some posters do.
Whoa
As someone whose whole family were also in the IBLP "church" (cough, cult), it really horribly damaged both the women and the men in very different ways.
There were 6 of us kids, 3 girls and 3 boys, home schooled and deeply indoctrinated into the cult from a young age. I still remember watching the creationist "science and history" VHS tapes provided with the home schooling packets.
We lived on a remote self sufficient organic farm. I had no friends my own age aside from my siblings and some cousins we got to see maybe once a year. My dad would host "home church" every sunday, and my mom home schooled all of us under the direction/jurisdiction of my father. We would take road trips to huge week-long conventions hosted by Bill Gothard where the young boys were placed in a pseudo militaristic housing/discipline and the girls were sent to essentially school lectures and activities that involved bible lessons and IBLP services that would teach us how to act, what to wear, and our responsibilities not to arouse our male family members.
We were not allowed to watch television or be exposed to external media that my father didn't approve. We weren't even allowed to watch Disney movies because they had magic in them. All of our books were Christian coded, including even scientific style textbooks.
My mom eventually was alarmed by the rampant and hushed sexual abuse and crimes within the cult and recognized that behavior beginning to manifest in her sons toward her daughters and divorced my dad, finished her teaching degree, and did her best to get her children out of the cult. I was 13 when my mom, sisters, and I moved from our giant 33 acre, 3 story family farmhouse to a 1100 square foot half acre home lot in a neighboring town with my mom, going from an anesthesiologist's income (dad) to a single teacher's (mom) with 4 dependents. We lived on spaghetti-o's and tuna sandwiches, and yet I still remember it being the best year of my life. It was like a breath of air after being underwater.
The 4 youngest of us joined public school, but my 2 oldest brothers were already adults and graduated from home school by then. My oldest brother suffered the most abuse/influence from the cult and joined the military, stayed for about a decade but fell into alcoholism and schizophrenia, and he is now in prison for sex crimes. The rest of us managed to slowly unlearn and heal (still healing lol, we are all in weekly therapy), but at 28 now, I still catch myself falling back into that severely self sacrificing mentality of being inferior and responsible for the emotions and reactions of men. I have zero contact with my father who is now remarried with a new family and living in another state.
The rest of my family has all sort of rallied with my mother; my other brothers' relationships with my father are arms length, and when we do get together it's with my mom.
I could go on for pages in more detail on the experiences we all had.
This cult caused damage like this to hundreds of families just like mine. I'm glad to see attention being given to it through a candid lens because it absolitely was a cult, and it ruined people's lives.
You should write a book about your life. Seriously.
Have you read the book by Jinger Duggar about realising it was a cult
I was raised Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod, one of the strictest of the Lutheran groups. But dang, this is straight out of the Handmaid's Tale! My parents tried to indoctrinate me into the LCMS. But my father had a somewhat moderating influence, and I hated it, so it never took.
I am glad you got out of that. Cults like this are so harmful. It has little to do with Christianity and much, much more male CONTROL of girls/women.
Your mom is a gd hero man
So glad your mother got you out. Your story is so sad but interesting I would love to hear more. You and your siblings should get together and write a book. I'll bet it would be a bestseller!
I am SO PROUD of her for breaking the cycle! She isn't having one kid right after the other, wears jeans, has an occasional cocktail, wears shorts and is finally free.
I am not a religious person but I am a spiritual person. I froze to death around 6 years ago. I have a do not Resuscitate order but my brother in-law gave them my wrong last name so the hospital couldn't find my medical records and brought me back.
I used to be terrified of dying. I no longer am. I have an incurable nerve disease that every nerve in my body sends pain signals 24 hours a day. The changed the laws for pain meds so I now have nothing for the pain.
When I was dead though, I remember being at complete peace and there was no more pain. Until they thawed me out that is. My blood crystallized so the couldn't get an IV in me so the drilled a hole in my shin to put an IV into my bone marrow. I threw one Dr. Out of the ER. I was not happy at all. My regular Dr. Came and I allowed her in the room. The only family member I didn't throw out. Was my mom. I didn't allow my sister's in or my son. My daughter just didn't care.
My mom told me that even after they thawed me out, and I was alive again, my son looked at my older sister and asked her to handle my house and everything because both him and my daughter didn't want to deal with it.
My mom back handed him so hard he fell out of his chair. She informed him I was alive and I live alone so he has no say in anything and he better keep his mouth shut! Well, he kept his mouth shut and his head down. If someone asked him a question, he actually flinched as he answered incase my mom back handed him again.
My mom passed away last March. I REALLY miss her.
What in the hell is going on in some of these cult churches? 🙄🤦 "A woman should stay! with their abusive husbands?" SICK!!! 🤮 NOT ME!! 👏
The fact that Anna didn’t pack up and leave Josh for the scum that he is, just proves how disgusting this family really is. If it were me, I would have divorced him, took the kids, packed the house up and moved to the other side of the country. But, that’s the problem with these people. They can’t see past what’s really going on. And when they do, they just sweep it under the rug and hope that nobody notices anything. Then they deny it all, and play stupid for the courts.
Yup. I'm surprised CPS didn't get involved. Her husband was proven to be a pedo, and she wants for her children to have a relation with him, that is a child endangerment
They don't care what he done
maybe she loves him unconditionally which we are supposed to do
@@josephvodo4868 Unconditional love in relationship doesn't mean you can't have healthy boundries. If you don't have them you put yourself up for patology like this
@@Aliens420 The problem is she’s been brainwashed from day 1…….. just look at her father……that man is an idiot!! It is gonna take someone to literally move Anna and her children far, far away from that CULT!! JB has a very unhealthy CONTROL over all of his grown married children!! As long as she living under his roof she is under his control!! She literally does not have a clue of what her options are!! She needs to be rescued out of that horrible situation!! Between JB and her brain dead father, they will never allow her to leave Josh!! Anna and her kids needs to be rescued from them horrible Monsters!! Because that keep sweet BS is what keeps them in bondage to those horrible men!! It’s ridiculous! The men can do all they want no matter what and it’s the wife’s fault which is the most asinine thing ever!!
It's always wild to me that they say "as many children as the Lord gives us" as though they have no say in it. God isn't forcing you to have sex all the time, Jim Bob, you're doing that because you want to.
@@skontheroadthey are speaking of Jim Bob because in this family his voice and wishes are the only one that count. Even if Michelle wishes to have sex constantly her wishes do not count. He is the only one in this scenario to say yes or no.
@@sisuguillam5109 Exactly. It states several times that women must "make themselves available" and "submit joyfully" to their husband's "needs for intimacy" but I have never seen anything in the IBLP or other fundie literature suggesting that women should or even can initiate sexual encounters. It's all about submission for the women, with no room for agency.
You can have " sex all the time" and not have children.
There's multiple ways to stop pregnancies.
@@pinklight and only a male would create those rules
"does not force you top have sex" PERIOD There is not "this" or "that"'
There is no "God only would be a psycho just a little bit"
ALL of the rules seem to exist in order to make life as miserable as possible. what a terrible way to live a life.
I love the clip of the handmaid’s tale. The quiverfull religion seems relatable.
Michelee Duggar's cult voice. UGH. BTW TLC need to make restitution for promoting a destructive cult
"Cult voice" 🤣 It's so true!
It drives me absolutely INSANE. It’s like SPEAK THE HELL UP!
Yes I agree her "cult" Tone is so annoying
Right?? Her voice is super irritating! So "fake sweet"!
The cult voice is so fake. I also find it so disgusting when she (and other cult females) stare reverently at their pontificating spouses. So weird.
The way Michelle looks at her husband like he's a god is absolutely sickening. May all Beings be free of indoctrination; so mote it be.
So mote it be❤
Nancy Reagan always looked at Ron that way & it makes me cringe 😬
I like how Not The Good Girl raised the fact that she denied her own children the very things she had in her own upbringing. Her own upbringing that she thought was wonderful too.
Sickening is the right word!!!
May all beings be free of such brainwashing so mote it be. Amen.
I heard someone say (I am not American fyi). "In America they have the concept of parental rights. While this seems innocuous, this term has been used extensively by extreme religious groups to state that the ideologies of the parents and the right for the parent to own the child comes above the child's well-being [they then went on to use the Duggers and IBLP as an exact example of this]. Within this view, children are less than pets, more akin to objects meant to be used for their parents gain until freed as broken 18 year olds. Rather than adopting such ideas, we should strive to be a country of children's rights, where the role of the parent is seen as that of being charged with the responsibility of raising the child based on what the child needs, regardless of the parent's ideology". I think about that every time I hear people be like "parental rights" now, that the Duggers is what that means, that the "right" to teach kids that if they are SAed it's probably their fault rather than holding their abuser accountable is what that means. Making tones of money off your kid by putting them onto a show they are too young to consent to then spending all that money is what that means. disowning your kid because they happen to fall in love with someone of the same gender or because they get caught kissing someone or because they refuse to marry who you tell them to at 17, blanket training, locking your child in a room till they break down and conform...that might not be what "parental rights" means for everyone, but that's the dark, real side of what it is - parental rights to treat a child in ways you wouldn't treat a dog. Parents don't have rights to control their kids, children have rights to expect parents to be involved in their lives in a healthy way. And while I would say children's rights involve parents being involved and informed of what's going on in their child's life so that they can help guide them and provide that support the child has a right to (so there is a lot of times the child's rights and parental involvement overlap), I think right off the bat now any parent who makes things about their rights to the child over their child's rights to basic safety and humanity - well, I see Duggars. I see unfit parents.
I have a mother who wasn’t allowed to express herself the way she should have… and she tried to carry those same screwed up principles into raising me. Luckily i pushed and I’m still pushing back and if I DECIDE to have children in this messed up ass crazy world, they wont be raised the same… But to have a childhood where you can grow up and explore yourself and find out who you truly are and to DENY your children that freedom. That’s WORSE parenting than anything I’ve EVER experienced. I personally asked God when i was younger, why would he place me in a family like this. Then i watch families like this and I’m suddenly grateful….
Josh Duggar the prime example of what happens when you don’t teach your children what a healthy sexual relationship is.
Or even let him look at females. While what he did was sick and evil, I do have to wonder if his parents had just let him date girls his own age and get to second base with them would it have ever happened.
That’s because the parents actual sexual relationship isn’t healthy…SHE MUST COMPLY EVERY SINGLE NIGHT! 😮😮😮
I wonder how many children he fathered outside of his marriage. The Church Moto is Quiver full.
Sounds like other religions that accuse the woman of luring the man, not the fact that they can’t keep it in there pants, it’s call will power, to me it’s just shows that some men are weak!
A small but not insignificant point, most experts agree that the term "Child pornography" shouldn't be used anymore and instead it should be referred to as "Child Sexual Exploitation Material", as calling it CP takes the focus off the suffering of the kids and puts it on the perversion of the perpetrators.
I don't think the words child pornography take anything away from the children. You can exploit kids in many ways, saying pornography is just a descriptor.
Oh please. Are we going to change the entire dictionary before 2024 or what? 😂
@@gingerlee726 I think the fact that CP can and is used to describe pornographic written and drawn works featuring child characters but in which no children were involved in the production shows that CP as a term does focus more on the perversion of the consumer than the pain of the child.
@@Marloez82erm... yes? That's what happens. It's literally how dictionaries are made.
@@Marloez82words can and do change meaning over time, and so it is in fact expected for dictionaries to keep up as things change. It's why a single word can have a dozen meanings, some obscure or obsolete.
What the heck!! I’m a pastor in Canada and I am legally mandated to report anything that puts someone in danger! That’s insane it’s not the same in the USA!
When I hear "religious" and "conservative" in the same sentence, I automatically think of the Klan's pointy hats and robes. lol
This isn’t so far off, honestly.
Even if you're a millionaire and can technically afford it, having tons of kids is unethical. There is literally no way to be an excellent parent to that many children, you won't know all of them or have the capacity to meet all their emotional and time needs. That's exactly how Josh had the opportunity to molest his sisters, his parents left them to raise themselves. They don't see children as people, they're trophies to them.
I 100% agree with this, specially in the sense that they won’t know their own kids. I’ve seen some dads of like, 2 or 3 children not know basic shit like birthdays??? Imagine with this many. You’d be a stranger in your own home
PLEASE relay this simple common sense to Elon Musk.
@@jamiswampit's fine when you're a narcissist.
The children are work animals for them. Narcissistic parents....
So very on-point. God bless you indeed for saying this.🙏🙏😇😇
You will simply be raising unloved future delinquents.
I'll never forget how their fans defended that creepy son by saying he was "just curious" and "experimenting". They honestly thought these disgusting people could do no wrong. A lot of their fanbase makes me want to puke 🤢
I knew the Duggars growing up. Only a few of them were cool. I hated Josh, he was always creepy. I blew bubbles in his eyes at his wedding
I struggle - on a spiritual level- with Michelle’s hair and fake soft voice.
Ugh, as soon as I heard that voice I immediately thought here's somebody that's full of s#it.
Clergy not being mandated reporters of abuse is mind boggling!
Well it would be awkward considering how often clergy are the perpetrators of abuse. Isn't there a law against requiring people to report themselves when they commit a crime?
Clergy are mandated reporters in some states. When I was a pastor in Massachusetts, we were mandated reporters.
I’d like to add that mandated reporting is not as simple as it seems. That said, I don’t know of a single colleague of mine who would not report childhood abuse.
I really like the platform that youtube has grown into. I love that there are great documentaries being produced by regular people out there; we no longer have to wait until docs are created by major networks. This is great and I love the docs on this channel :)
@ExperimentalSurgeon thank you so much for the support!
Agree 100%, I tend to watch utube more than regular TV, it’s such a mixed bag
My uncle was a Pedophile and my grandmother and Aunt always made excuses for him. SA is that much more traumatic when the people who are supposed to protect you justify it.
They're the ones who make it possible. They're just as guilty as he is.
The Duggars shouldve been arrested for child abuse long ago
The fake voice of Mama Duggar makes me angry. It would be interesting to know how she sounds in reality behind the doors.
I know someone that speaks like this in public with all smiles then complete 180 when in private. I was witness to mask slip one time and from then on saw the manipukation
It is so ANNOOOYIIIIING!!
It’s not fake tho. That’s the worst part.
Her voice is Stepford Wives cringe.
What disgusts me about this family is that they claim children are blessings but they dont even RAISE their kids, they force the KIDS to raise their kids. Plus there IS such thing as too many kids, which is however many you have before you start forcing actual children to take responsibility for your inability to parent the number of kids you have. Not to mention the vile abuse they excuse while having the gall to claim trans women are sexual predators.
Amazing video though, your content is excellent!!
No way would they have kept pumping out babies if they didn't have TLC paying them...in my opinion...
It is disgusting. The word they use "train" drives me insane!
@@rms5993 they get that from a book called "to train up a child" written by Debi Pearl and to save you a sick feeling and a Google search it's basically a guidebook of child abuse and it's exactly as gnarly as it sounds.
@@jtm7clan277 some people of ANY group are predators but we didn't start banning Catholic priests and church leaders from pissing in public bathrooms after THEIR crimes did we? Get over yourself.
@@silver8632 Thanx, it is sickening.
Every single kid's name started with a J like their Dad. Not ONE was named with a M for Michelle. I never noticed that before.
It’s actually even worse. Jim Bob DIDN’T confront Josh after his daughter told him what he did. He actually waited for JOSH to come forward and confess to him. Seriously
19 kids is not a blessing or a gift, it's a financial nightmare.
It's not about the money at some point Elon musk and nick cannon are almost there.
The women who carried them live the nightmare
Until TLC comes along, then it is only a physical nightmare for the woman that has to carry and deliver 19 kids! Jimbob laughs in his vault filled with hard cash!
Her choice, so she gets no sympathy. It becomes a nightmare for the children.
And a modern-day freak show.
There's something viscerally disgusting about having that many kids. It so... uncivilized? I'm struggling to find an adequate word. Like what are you, a wild animal?
These parends are sadistic. How dare they tell their daughters that its the females fault. Thats just pure sadistic and shameful. The parents belong in prison as well as Josh. Pure evilness and sick
That made me angry basically saying if a woman is sexually assaulted its their fault.
It always begged the question for me, if they see females as inferior, why do they hold them to a higher standard? They're admitting they can't control themselves and girls are supposed to control the actions of grown men? Make it make sense
and imagine how much that ideology impacted the daughters that were assaulted by Josh.
You have such quick comedic timing. Also this is the second video I watched since the oceangate one, and I like the details you include. Really interesting, I learned so much
I discovered your channel yesterday, with the Tammy lady Televangelist. I'm so glad that came up on my recommended, and love your channel a lot already! I've never heard of many of these people/issues/scandals, it's fascinating! Love from UK xx
I’m glad you covered Jinger’s toxic church. So many people gloss over it because she wears pants and condemns Gothard. I hope Jinger gets away from that church one day. Her husband Jeremy will never leave that church though. He’s all in. I bet he wants to pastor there one day.
He’s a man so he will always be in charge so yes, he’ll stay with the church.
@@Secular-SerenityWell, men are gods in their cults, they have all the power and control……. why would the want to leave that?!
In what way is Jeremy’s church toxic?
@@abalancedopinion2534 she stated it in the video if you watch. You can also Google it. They shame women into staying in abusive marriages.
@@abalancedopinion2534 There are plenty of complaints about that pastor coming from women in that church that are swept under the rug just, just like with the IBLP, the church members just ignore the men’s many sexual abuses!! When a church refuses to let an abused wife leave her husband, when he’s a SAer, then that is a CULT!! Just like Gothards cult, women are NOT allowed to leave the men, same with Jeremy’s church, so there’s is also a CULT!! Just because they allow ladies/girls to wear jeans, shorts, etc. doesn’t change anything if the men control their wives and families, it’s a cult!! It’s a shame how men twist Gods word, and are on power trips!! Jinger just traded one CULT for a different CULT, she is STILL being CONTROLLED by her husband, just like Michelle is!!
Women have miscarriages when they are not on the pill, what a ridiculous thing for a doctor to say. My daughter just miscarried twins and she has never in her 30 years been on the pill.
He didn’t say “they only miscarry on the pill”. He said that her using oral contraceptives led to that specific loss.
The fact that Trust funds were not started for each child is stunning greed by the father,green is his God 🤢🤑
The one photo of the children in red reminds of The Handmaid's Tale.
It never hurts for children to help out in a family to gain a feeling of responsibility and life skills. Having said that, you shouldn't burden them with too much and give them praise for the help they do give. Their first priority is being a child and their own studies. Here they dumped Mom's burdens on the kids.
I think each kid should have to prepare his own meals, wash his own dish, do his own laundry or at least put it into the hamper and put it away himself, make his own bed when HE wants it made up, clean up any messes he makes around the house. But he should not have to cook or clean up after his parents or siblings.
I totally agree with you. Helping out in a large family is payback for all the advantages of having sibling relationships.
But their upbringing was quite a disservice there’s one real way to tell something is a cult- it’s always headed by a man, the men get to do whatever when women do the dirty work. And sex. It always includes unlimited sex with very young children .
michelle's affected baby-voice, calling her father "daddy" as a grown adult woman with children of her own, makes my skin crawl
Yes, it's grating
Same!
@@SunshineCatwoman exactly, my mom called her dad daddy until the day he died. Nothing wrong with that. As for her mom, it was mommy. I think there some nit-picking goin on with some comments. 🙄🙄
There's nothing wrong with that, my mom called her father daddy, her mom was mommy.
I think it's the whimpy baby voice she uses that made it repulsive. Why she talks like that I don't know but it's very, very annoying.
She probably does it to show her 'submission' to Jim Boob.
@@msbigdog1460’all moms and you are weird. Grow up 😂
I swear, why does everything in the US have to be this *extreme*. This understanding of religion is very rare in other western countries.
Y’all realize that this show aired outside of the US as well, right? And that there are families with multiple children in other countries. Hell, some men have multiple wives in other countries 😂
If you think this craziness just happens in the US, you've got your homework cut out for you.
As a Baptist, we don’t claim them.
Bill Gothard pontificates on the "ideal family" when he has never married and has no children. The irony.
Very strange indeed.
Having a family would have gotten in the way of his favorite hobby: SA
@@Jmmmmama Very true
Someone needs to inform ol’ Jim Bob sex isn’t a need. It’s a want. Oxygen, water, food, clothing, and shelter are needs.
This was a great documentary very informative and detailed!
Never liked this type of shows. TLC gave them the fame, the money and encouraged ignorance.
Sisters wives. Honey booboo, Teen pregnancy...
this family has always infuriated me. my mom was suuuper christian and was extremely abusive. she was obsessed with 19 kids and counting. I was her only child of her own, though i have 2 half sisters who she also abused. I was in my late teens when she started watching the show so she was upset she couldn't raise me the way the duggars raised their children. she passed away 9 years ago. when the news of josh duggar came out I honestly wished she was still alive just so I could rub it in her face.
forgiveness is the key to happiness
I got married at age 20. I wanted 10 children. We had 5 in 8 years. I used to be a Christian BTW. I was diagnosed with MS in 2001. We decided that having even one child more would be extremely selfish (10 children would have been way too many but that's how many I wanted at the time) decent parents don't continue to have children when the children will be neglected. It wouldn't only have been selfish to have another child after my diagnosis. It would have been unethical and wrong.
@@sandrayarnell270Some people do not deserve forgiveness. It is for the perpetrator to earn at the victim's discretion.
All of gen z claim they were "abused". Their definition of abuse is their parents not using their "preferred pronouns"
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she literally beat me and let a man m*llest me but OK go off.@@CCI320 o
it makes me so mad that michelle had such a wonderful childhood and then went on to refuse to allow her children to do the same. i hate these people.
"by the time they had their 8th kid, their oldest was ready to start school" WHAT?!
Hot take: Children should not be on camera. No child actors. No family youtube channels. The internet and Hollywood should exist as if children do not exist.
How repulsive to teach that men just cant help themselves if they see a girl who looks nice. Disgusting. And if someone hurts you, you should fix ie blame, yourself?! Thats just horrific. I hate how the mom as a child, was a tomboy expressing herself but forced her own girls to fill a very tight restricted gender and behavioural role. Disgusting that josh allegedly came crying to them about what hed done but kept doing it !! and they only tried to get him help the third time!!!! And help from a fellow cp user!!
We had issues in Northern Europe with immigrants esp from Afganistan who assaulted & molested girls & women in public.
Suddenly many many women started to be molested in different concerts. All of a sudden Sweden among others, couldn't have a concert or something without many many women being victimised. They immigrant men felt it was their right to try to get inside your panties when you stood in the crowd trying to see a performance. Whatever they wanted to do with you they would do with a grin.
Same in waterparks & public swimming pools, gyms even in the library a woman could t be safe. This culminated with what happened in Germany at New years eve, Köln among other places where a big crowd of middle Eastern men gathered with one common goal. Try to single out women, surround them & then rape & assault them right there on the spot. This was planned & talked about on social media before they made it happen. So they travelled all over germany to be a part of the assault..
They have this sick "rape game" in the middle east were it's seen as ok to go after women in public. I dont remember what it's called.
But they tried to excuse this by the men not being used to see a free idenpendent woman or even any woman out in public without being hidden inside a mobile tent.
That is the VERY reason Muslim women and girls are made to wear an abaya and hijab! If a woman shows arms or ankles, or her curves let alone her hair to anyone male outside of immediate family, of she's r@63d, they think she asked for it. 😡 No accountability for the males whatsoever, so this messed up thinking prevails in pretty much all religions.
To think that they believe a man would go nuts and ravage a woman because she had a short skirt on, makes me wonder what kind of self control those men and boys actually have!
Lets face it, right from Adam and Eve we’ve been taught that women are just temptresses and that men are helpless against their allure. It’s the basis of many, many religions. Obviously it’s just coincidence that religious rules and texts are almost exclusively written by men
In the Bible it's the opposite, Christian men are expected to take control of themselves, not let lust rule them. I think Quiverfull and Goddard has sort of become it's own religious doctrine, steeped heavily in religious legalism.
Words can't describe how happy and relieved I am that I didn't have to grow up in that kind of environment. It's nuts how much people will let religion, or something similar to it, control their lives. Think for yourselves, folks.
I have no doubt that homeschooling is dangerous for children. No education and no experience of social behavior out of the family
That's HALF true! The Duggars use Bill Gothard's IBLP cult educational materials instead of the educational materials from the Local, State, and Federal Governments, and that's NOT a "proper" education! Homeschooling can be a good thing IF it's done right, and being part of a cult instead of a REAL church is the worst way!
"No education and no experience of social behavior out of the family"
Some people do it with that specific intent.
Every situation is different, and not ALL homeschooling is dangerous! This is CULT education, and THAT'S dangerous!
Government schools are pretty much just for gay people now
This was very well done. The videos included very good . I like the handmaiden touch which is happening now in our culture . Keep up the very good work .
My dental appointment in Rogers, Arkansas, was delayed for 45 minutes, while their camera crews were setting up for an episode in the clinic. F Them.
What do you mean? What happened?
@@heavenlychase2118I just shat myself
Just starting this, but want to say (hey, multiple comments from users will help you in the algorithm :) ): As a Christian, the first day i saw that show advertised, I--and everyone I knew--could see EXACTLY what they were. If you have any clarity in the different denominations and cultish subsects of Christianity, you know what you're seeing the moment you see a zoo of a family like that. You don't even need to hear them speak, you know they are exactly what the Duggars ended up being exposed for. It's why we never watched the show, and were utterly unsurprised over the years, as things came out about them.
I have very good religious friends. Sometimes I go to church with them. The church is more community based. Not at all about hell fire or brimstone. The church is owned by a woman preacher. And her sermons are about helping people and how to support traumatized folks who have suffered religious abuse....
The kids act like robots. The mother acts like she's had a lobotomy. The father is just plain creepy. Yeah, you can see through them like water.
This was really well done...
Good job...one love from NewZealand...