Instant Analysis - Jake Guentzel Signs 7-Year/$9M Deal With Tampa Bay Lightning

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  • Steve Dangle, Adam Wylde and Jesse Blake discuss the Tampa Bay Lightning and Jake Guentzel agreeing to a 7-year contract. Do we like the move for the Lightning?
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  • @KyleAbney-xd3fx
    @KyleAbney-xd3fx Před 10 dny +40

    It's a lateral move this year but Guentzel is *miles* better 5v5. Stamkos has become a PP specialist. And Guentzel will be much better in the later years of the deal.

    • @GWh135
      @GWh135 Před 10 dny

      I agree, but the main problem for Tampa is the psychological effect of not having their longtime captain anymore. It’s just not going to feel the same anymore

    • @tearsofthefallen8197
      @tearsofthefallen8197 Před 9 dny

      @@GWh135 i disagree. Hedman makes a very easy and very obvious Captain replacement, and it works.

  • @lunalancer5971
    @lunalancer5971 Před 10 dny +48

    As a Tampa fan the way we're treating Stammer is painful

    • @alexmouton1010
      @alexmouton1010 Před 10 dny +6

      kinda reminds me of how they treated Vinnie and MSL

    • @scottbaron121
      @scottbaron121 Před 10 dny +3

      Listen. I'm as a big a Lightning fan that exists. Vinnie L. didn't finish his career in Tampa. Neither did Marty. Neither did Gretzky (in EDM obviously). You don't pay a 34 year old 4x8. That's just bad business. He's a PP specialist at this point in his career. He'll have his number retired and go into the HoF as a Bolt. They are "treating" him in a way that's best for BUSINESS. I suppose, IF you'd rather be a WORSE team but keep Stamkos...that's your right. Personally? I'd rather be a better team and be in a better financial (cap) situation WITHOUT a given player. Ultimately, a "fan" cheers for the laundry. Not the player.

    • @martin9202
      @martin9202 Před 9 dny +4

      Tampa has understood that hockey is business first of all... They saw they were falling off the cliff so they're trying to get younger/faster and keep themselves in the hunt... The core isn't that old to need a rebuild... they lost speed/talent after the cups and tried to replace it with size and physical play... that didn't work so now they're trying to readjust and add more skill & speed.

    • @JSawmill63
      @JSawmill63 Před 9 dny

      It aint as deep as you and so many others are making it.

    • @Wayf4rer
      @Wayf4rer Před 9 dny +4

      He got offered a 8x3. He took a 4x8 in Nashville. Apples and oranges, but the door for him to stay was open. He chose money of potentially winning and retiring here.

  • @jonjohnson1978.
    @jonjohnson1978. Před 10 dny +26

    Stamkos output on 5 v 5 has declined significantly.....stats are misleading

    • @GWh135
      @GWh135 Před 10 dny +3

      Nashville needs to consider the Panthers approach: flopping and diving a little more to draw some extra penalties, then Stamkos can keep those numbers up

    • @KyleMacSkill
      @KyleMacSkill Před 7 dny +2

      ​@@GWh135 he's not playing with Kuch anymore on the pp.. he can get 10 pps a game he's not putting up the same numbers

  • @baileymoran591
    @baileymoran591 Před 10 dny +9

    I dare say I like you guys as much as I like the Tsn coverage. Best quality hockey new /content on CZcams thanks for all your hard work.

  • @dolewhiplash
    @dolewhiplash Před 10 dny +10

    Stamkos had a good offensive year but he was one of the worst defensive players in the league and we were consistently outscored with him on the ice.
    Like Steve said, with players like him the last thing to go is his shot, but the rest of his game has already started to turn.

  • @MrTkillian
    @MrTkillian Před 10 dny +5

    Guentzel's spatial awareness + Kucherov's passing is going to be 🔥

  • @BruinsForLife7
    @BruinsForLife7 Před 10 dny +10

    Not a bad signing considering he was one of the best goal scorers available in FA

  • @lucasparvin1177
    @lucasparvin1177 Před 10 dny +26

    Stamkos had 40 goals but 19 were on the power play. He will always be a bolts legend, but his decline in play at 5 v 5 has been concerning.

    • @TheHutchIsOn
      @TheHutchIsOn Před 10 dny +2

      Also you cant forget that one of Jake’s best assets is his playoff production

    • @ML-my8qq
      @ML-my8qq Před 10 dny +1

      So more than 50% of his goals came 5v5 is what you’re saying.

    • @tampabay2214
      @tampabay2214 Před 10 dny +5

      Guentzel's numbers will improve playing with Kucherov. I love Stamkos to death and am pissed how we treated him but these guys acting like it's a lateral move clearly haven't watched the games.

    • @ML-my8qq
      @ML-my8qq Před 10 dny

      @@tampabay2214 ok American.

    • @dominic64tblightning24
      @dominic64tblightning24 Před 10 dny +1

      Bolts fan and I agree

  • @cyan5161
    @cyan5161 Před 10 dny +9

    Tampa has proven they can go on deep playoff runs and even win it all without Stammer in the lineup in the past, it hurts to say but I don't think he's quite the key player a lot of people think he is. Hurts to lose him, but TB management clearly doesn't see him as part of the Lightning's long term future.

    • @GWh135
      @GWh135 Před 10 dny

      Even in 2020 though Stammer was still in the locker room and on the bench motivating his team to win for him. Now we don’t have that anymore :(

    • @maverik094
      @maverik094 Před 4 dny

      @@GWh135 but we have McDonagh back

  • @lukesnape576
    @lukesnape576 Před 10 dny +9

    It’s probably Hedman, but a Kucherov captinancy would be great content

    • @ML-my8qq
      @ML-my8qq Před 10 dny +1

      kuch is an amazing player but there is no way he is a leader haha. Everyone probably loves the guy but I just can’t see him being the strong leader in the room.

  • @gillygillies
    @gillygillies Před 10 dny +6

    Steve was right, Guentzel is a massive upgrade over Stamkos. The reason for Stamkos' high production last season was simple: Kucherov. Don't forget Kuch had 144 points and the main beneficiary of that was Stamkos, especially on the PP. Just to highlight how bad Stamkos did at 5v5, he finished the season with a team-worst -21 despite playing mostly with Kucherov (+6).

  • @jimburris8955
    @jimburris8955 Před 9 dny +1

    Love JBB's guts! PP specialist is right- No Backchecking-Passes to nobody when pressured- fumbles passes often- Does not check until the playoffs- I used to run the Blog Lightning Hockey Central and contributed to the Southeast Shootout blog- Been a Bolt and Stamkos fan since he was drafted. Holding on to the past robs you of the future. Simple as that.

  • @J.G.Wentworth69420
    @J.G.Wentworth69420 Před 5 dny

    "Make the argument that it's enormous"
    Steve has had plenty of practice at that in sure.

  • @ianwhipple8842
    @ianwhipple8842 Před 9 dny +1

    Guentzel is so much better 5 v 5…Stamkos is basically a PP specialist. Guentzel-Point-Kucherov is probably and arguably the best line in hockey

  • @christiantordonato3136
    @christiantordonato3136 Před 10 dny +1

    As a Tampa fan, stammer also played with kuch. And we will miss him.

  • @vipeholmskolan6052
    @vipeholmskolan6052 Před 7 dny +1

    Stammer had become a liability 5v5. It needed to be done.

  • @mosinc7388
    @mosinc7388 Před 10 dny +2

    Let's go Bolts! He wasn't gonna sign for $4 million, he got double that.

  • @sergeyyakubovsky7259
    @sergeyyakubovsky7259 Před 10 dny +2

    Stamkos and lightning is exactly like kane and blackhawks

    • @GWh135
      @GWh135 Před 10 dny

      The Predators are to Tampa what the Red Wings are to Chicago

  • @MedineBABA
    @MedineBABA Před 9 dny +1

    You guys just completely fail to mention that Stamkos was playing with Kucherov, now imagine what can Guentzel do with Kuch

    • @MrTkillian
      @MrTkillian Před 8 dny

      @@MedineBABA they talk about Stammer's goals, but Jake had 77 points in 67 games, came off an injury and joined a whole new team and was killing it.

    • @FLAsox
      @FLAsox Před 2 dny

      I Agree. Stamkos without kuch doesnt put up nearly as much points. Feel his drop off is going to be pretty decent with Carolina.

  • @brandonjc13
    @brandonjc13 Před 10 dny +1

    8x8 wasn't enough, huh? Damn.

  • @beverlyb1881
    @beverlyb1881 Před 10 dny

    Stamkis was playing with Kucherov and Point! Hence his goals!! Played with them for all those years!

  • @AlexPittiStockMan
    @AlexPittiStockMan Před 8 dny

    Ryan McDonagh was one of the best defensive d in the league. tampa just needs better goaltending now

  • @Blackwingdesigns
    @Blackwingdesigns Před 6 dny

    Hate how he was treated is literally an icon in Tampa Bay.... and in no way am I defending this move btw....but the underlying numbers indicate that he got his goals and assits of late by benefiting from playing with Kucherov. He himself was a Kucherov merchant the past two years, hurting the lines plus minus. The logic is get someone who can score at the same rate but also better defensively and you're better. Almost Half of his goals were on the power play

  • @that_guy0_0
    @that_guy0_0 Před 9 dny +1

    McDonagh > Sergachev

  • @Joeblow12349
    @Joeblow12349 Před 10 dny

    Come on Steve wake up

  • @alkumhcounseling8634
    @alkumhcounseling8634 Před 10 dny +3

    as a penguins fan the best fact about Jake is that he helped us win 2 cups before he stopped basically eating chipotle every night for dinner.

    • @frankraiac
      @frankraiac Před 10 dny +1

      He helped us win 1 Cup.

    • @SuperMadMason
      @SuperMadMason Před 10 dny +2

      I was about to say he was a rookie during the 2017 cup 😂

  • @jeffe2267
    @jeffe2267 Před 10 dny

    The Lightning being unwilling to give Stamkos $4m/year is criminal.

    • @tearsofthefallen8197
      @tearsofthefallen8197 Před 9 dny

      They dont know what the offer was. I guarantee that wasnt what stamkos was asking for lol

  • @FalloutUrMum
    @FalloutUrMum Před 10 dny

    Necas is better for Carolina imo

    • @rcktman0127
      @rcktman0127 Před 10 dny

      The relationship is broken beyond repair… even if the Canes fail to trade him, he’s gonna want no part of the organization going forward. Worst situation to find the team in

  • @alexmouton1010
    @alexmouton1010 Před 10 dny

    a little surprised Guentzel got more than Reinhart

    • @jaythompson5102
      @jaythompson5102 Před 10 dny

      UFA vs RFA Reinhart would get $11 mill on the open market.

    • @Michael-ir8zs
      @Michael-ir8zs Před 10 dny

      @@jaythompson5102Reinhardt was a UFA

    • @alexmouton1010
      @alexmouton1010 Před 10 dny +1

      @@jaythompson5102 They were both UFAs, and also both benefit from lower tax brackets playing in Florida, hence the comparison

    • @jaythompson5102
      @jaythompson5102 Před 10 dny

      @@alexmouton1010 Ya my bad I thought Reinhart was an RFA. I really can't explain it he should have gotten way way more.

    • @J.G.Wentworth69420
      @J.G.Wentworth69420 Před 5 dny

      Consistency. Reinhart won't score 50 again

  • @generalimlerith8356
    @generalimlerith8356 Před 9 dny

    Tampa saw what Vegas did to fleury and they were like hold my beer lol

  • @7lesstrat
    @7lesstrat Před 10 dny

    Thank you for saying his numbers out Jesse. Stamkos deserved better. For his current age, its amazing he's producing the amount that he is.

    • @tearsofthefallen8197
      @tearsofthefallen8197 Před 9 dny +2

      His numbers are misleading. He cant bring Kucherov with him to Nashville so those numbers are not even close to sustainable. I would be shocked if he had a 60+ pt season.

  • @BrandynRheaume
    @BrandynRheaume Před 10 dny

    No class by the Lightning. What shame it really is....

    • @hydedrjekyll
      @hydedrjekyll Před 10 dny +2

      It's a business.

    • @GWh135
      @GWh135 Před 10 dny

      @@hydedrjekyll Loyalty should still be valued in any business

    • @JSawmill63
      @JSawmill63 Před 9 dny

      @@GWh135that 8 mil a year should ease the pain🙄 its hockey dude

  • @johnq2068
    @johnq2068 Před 8 dny

    Terrible signing! This guy only benefited from Crosby. Major trash without.

  • @ML-my8qq
    @ML-my8qq Před 10 dny

    I hope Tampa just starts to fall apart and realize how much they miss Stammer.

    • @hydedrjekyll
      @hydedrjekyll Před 10 dny

      Can't think of anyone on here that rates your hopes, troll. 👍

    • @ML-my8qq
      @ML-my8qq Před 10 dny

      @@hydedrjekyll I don’t know what that means, but I’m assuming you like to call yourself a Giga-Chad. Have fun in grade 9 this fall!

    • @GWh135
      @GWh135 Před 10 dny

      As a Lightning fan I can’t help but to agree with you. Guentzel is great but letting Stamkos leave was a huge mistake

    • @hydedrjekyll
      @hydedrjekyll Před 8 dny

      @@ML-my8qq It feels weird to say you're old and out of touch considering I'm old, but hey.