History of WWI Primer 139: Portuguese Abadie 1886 Documentary
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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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Revolver 9,1mm Abadie m/1878 E m/1886
Jaime Ferreira Regalado
As Indústrias Militares e As Armas de Fogo Portáteis no Exército Português
Major-general Renato Fernando Marques Pinto
Ammunition data thanks to DrakeGmbH
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Othias: Like we see with other shrinking empires.
Britain: *Drops monocle in tea*
France: *Chokes on wine*
German: *flips over table*
Belgium: *Clutches Congo Ivory*
You sir deserve a cookie a very well crafted comment from Liege I presume? Lol
Congo rubber, hands.
LOL
@@GunFunZS too soon 😭😂😂😂😂
Russia: *Turns red, and it's not blush*
You guys do know these are supposed to release on Tuesday right?
Midnight is the EARLIEST time possible while on time.
We know and we thank you for releasing early.
Damn it. I'm sorry. It's been such a Monday that it feels like it should be a Tuesday already. I'll say my four Our Father JMBs in penance.
It pays to be a patreon, we get the best seats in the house without the crowds blocking our view.
Have you reached out to people like gun manufacturers for sponsorship? I suspect many people would buy the historical guns rechambered for modern ammo. You and Ian could be excellent platforms to judge which guns garner consumer attention.
Thank
"It's a trap!" is probably some of the best gun adjacent content on the platform. I don't even have an interest in shotguns or traps, but watching the gradual, real time loss of sanity of a Othais, a Mae, and a Kevin has all the appeal of a 60's era Swedish psychological drama....in a good way.
How good do you suppose any of the 'traps' would be for lobbing grenades?
@@myparceltape1169 The Western-Olin maybe, but I feel like you could rig up a catchers mit on the Dupont trap and it could act as a pseudo side-action Fallout universe Fatman.
The blanton would be a good candidate as well......just don't use it next to a wall....or with anyone on your right side.
@@billdauterive1180 OKAY. I was thinking of something cheaper and more portable than a mortar. Many of the lines got close in places.
THE BILLDOZER
I had to ask myself why I watched a video more than an hour long about a revolver I'd never heard of, in an equally obscure caliber, that was never adopted by a BIG service. And the simple answer is, you guys do a great video. The history, as always, was well done. The animation, the handling of an actual gun. Mae's smiling face when she gets to shoot. The comparison with other revolvers she's shot. And let me say again, she's shot more guns than I've ever seen and I'm twice her age! No one, absolutely no one does a specialist type video like this. You guys are at the top of the heap by a large margin! Thank you.
It is the mark of a well made documentary style show that it gets you invested even even if you have no clue what the particular item of the episode is. They know how to present the technical and historical information in a way that is entertaining and educational at the same time.
Hear, Hear!
Yeah, when I first started watching C&Rsenal I tended to skip most of the episodes on really obscure stuff and just watch the big names. But now I've seen every episode at least twice.
The show is just enjoyable. Whether it be background noise while I play on my switch, or something I sit and pay attention to.
06:31 That Galland action sits at the intersection of "That's so flippin' cool" and "I wouldn't bet my life on it."
On the other hand, if you're betting your life on a revolver action, any revolver action, working or not, chances your life took a wrong turn somewhere.
@@joelmuller358 on the other other hand , people have been betting their lives on revolvers for over 170 years. Somebody must be doing something right.
@@joelmuller358 in the WW1 time frame the simiauto was seen as an unproven technology in many militaries. Some were around but handgun technology was not a huge priority for many nations.
@@jimvandemoter6961 that has a lot to do with how old the revolver is, the major kinks had been ironed out by WW1 or soon after. There is something to be said for the old reliable, similar to how most militaries still fielded bolt actions in WW2.
@@jimvandemoter6961 What I meant about your life taking a wrong turn is in the sense of "why the f*ck are you in shootout?", regardless of what revolver, or any gun for that matter you're using.
After this video I'll have to find my grandfather's Abadie from his WWI service in Mozambique, as a young official. My father used to tell me that despite his general lack of interest I firearms, he hated that "cumbersome" revolver. Shortly after he got himself a 7,65 Luger.
I wouldn’t be surprised to find these guns were in active service in WW2 in Macau or East Timor against the Japanese.
As a current Patron myself, I heartily recommend the hand trap series - it's a blast.
ABSOLUTELY. If Primer was a college course it would be Arms History 425.
The Hand Trap series is like Remedial Shotgun Disc Golf. It's so refreshing lol.
Othias' hat is legendary at this point. I wonder how long it'll go until he must/can afford to replace it...
I think he mentioned in one of the Q&As that they don't make them any more.
@@ZGryphon you can find ones like it though just about anywhere.
@@tybushnell9819 True. It looks a lot like the Superior Hat from Duluth Trading, for instance, although unfortunately I don't think they make a warm-weather version of that. (I wish they did, I quite like mine, but I can't wear it in the summer.)
I'm sure he has a couple dozen stashed away.
@@ZGryphon I have one like that I think, with the ear warmers. I picked up some thin caps like that online and some at a local fleamarket. You can find them and of different quality and colors.
C&Rsenal actually released a video during the day light!
And yet I am notified during the darkness of the gloaming.
@@johnqpublic2718 same bro
thanks for showing me another bit of history in my country (Portugal), continuation of a good job
There's a glowing orb of fire in the sky. C&Rsenal Patreon notification comes though... Something is afoot.
My sleep schedule thanks you Othius.
Is it odd that I’m jealous of that flannel shirt? That’s an excellent color scheme. Also yay, offering for the algorithm.
Yes, it is odd that you're jealous. And now that you pointed it out to me, I want that flannel shirt too!
he blends in perfectly with the set, it's genius!
ive got a flannel shirt
I’m just now realizing my wording makes it seem like I’m jealous of the shirt itself. I’m an idiot. I’m jealous of Othias for having such a damn nice looking shirt. Not jealous of the shirt itself.
Good flannel is hard to come by. Fortunately I have one really good flannel shirt, and a couple acceptable ones.
Man I love you guys. You're an island of mellow sanity in a heaving sea of adolescent twerps, wannabe SWAT and tacticool claptrap. Keep up the *awesome* work. Thanks for just being you.
I’m always happy to see stuff from Portugal. I’m not portuguese in any way but I find the country’s role in history to be highly interesting)
Same; there's always something fascinating about Portugal and their world discoveries.
Britains oldest allies from Queen Phillipas days I believe.
@@owen368 Really bad call from the portuguese. The brits severy hampered their economical, industrial and colonial efforts.
From the treaties of wine and cloths all the way to the british ultimatum in Africa
After hearing of this indexing system so much and seeing it in other guns it is very nice to see where it actually came from, like the Kropatschek episode it is cool to see where influential ideas came from.
This is my first time watching one of your primers and I'm blown away by the quality content!
Welcome.
Caution: C&Rsenal videos have been known to cause people to wander gun shows intently looking for obscure relics of bygone eras.
Commenting for the algorithm-
On an actual note, yet another great episode from Othias and the crew- you guys put on some of the best gun history entertainment I've ever seen- thanks for all your hard work
Tha k you guys again for the consistent uploads, it's hard to meet schedules especially for shoes of this scale, we appreciate you guys so much for your hard work
“Everyone loves to see a naked gun”
Well yeah, those movies are hilarious!
True that, although I prefer the original TV show instead: *Police Squad! in color*
My knowledge has increased again. I also have gained respect for the European gate loaders...design and adoption stories are fascinating.
Thank you very much for this very informative video. I've seen one of these beautiful revolvers in the Lisbon Military Museum, but now you made it come alive. Othais and Mae, you are incredible!
Othias your using a feeler gauge to cut a shim from is an old old old technique. Good work sir, I'd have done the same.
I actually own three of these .. all in great condition and fully functioning. Blueing on cylinders perfectly matches the rest of it.
So jealous!
What a gorgeous trigger + trigger guard. One of the most beautiful ones of all time.
Thank you for all your hard work C&Rsenal crew!
Damn , the Portuguese created an absolute beauty
I'm a bit surprised, I was expecting this to get a soft no / "use it once then steal someone else's gun" because of the gate loading. Nice episode!
This is such a wonderful series. Thank you for continuing to educate those of us who really care about firearms history.
The Aggregator: not a bad superhero name for Othais.
By day a bearded man who aggregates data on old and obscure firearms to make videos on the Internet to encourage people to go do more research. By night, a sleep deprived bearded man who aggregates data on old and obscure firearms to make videos on the Internet to encourage people to go do more research. He is, the Aggregator.
Don't forget his intrepid sidekick, Crozier.
Yet another great video from C&Rsenal. You all deserve more support than you get.
Always been curious as to how much faster an Abadie is vs a typical gate loader like a Colt SAA. Put on a shot timer: shot, unload-reload, shot. Sounds like a video for Ian or Bloke
Probably capandball
Pro-tip: the "Real" is pronounced "Hey-Al" in singular, and "Hey-Eyes" in plural. Portuguese does some odd things with R's.
That's real hard to pronounce 😃
Yes. In Spanish, the "R" sound is rolled at the front of the mouth. In Portuguese, the "R" sound is rolled in the back, like the French or even the Saxons do... But since very few people can actually roll the r in the back of the throat, it instead becomes an "H" sound. This is particularly evident in Brazilian Portuguese.
Women with the name "Ruth" are startled when Portuguese speakers pronounce their name: "Hoochie."
So Real/ "Ray-all" in Spanish is "Hey-al" or even "Hey-ow" in Portuguese.
@@davecarlson1918 Dave, you feel like spoken European Portuguese sounds a bit like Russian?
@@anthroderick5383 Um, well, yeah sort of. It has a lot of "S" sounds and some of the vowels get sort of clipped... So it does sound like a Slavic language at times when spoken there? Of course, there is more variation within Portugal itself than the Portuguese spoken in Brazil or by people from Angola, for instance. Its a bit like British English, Northumbrian, etc. etc. I guess? Every little hill and vale has a dialect. The Portuguese spoken by people from Cabo Verde/ Cape Verde is mighty different too.... I must look Portuguese, because when I tried to speak it in Lisbon with my terrible Carioca/Rio de Janeiro and U.S. English accent people were genuinely startled... Like "dude! Do you have a speech impediment or did you sustain a head injury or something?!"
@@davecarlson1918 Dude, you look more Portuguese than me! Next time blow their minds by ordering a "Galão e uma torrada" for breakfast 😀
Woooo! Finally getting the this one! It keeps coming up, and it’s finally here
nice to see you're growing again! Hopefuly 400k soon!
Thank's for making this. Proud to be a Patron.
Hey, wow! Just stumbled upon this channel. Very cool. Thanks!
Thanks for putting in so much work to make this veido so interesting
This is the ghost of what could be you see inside so many shows on technical and historical subjects you watch.
Othais and Mae, thank you for your work. Now I have to find one of these beauties... Unfortunately, being Portuguese and living in Portugal isn't much help in finding one of these...
I loved visiting Portugal! Someday I'll go back for longer! I doubt there are very many of these left... Most probably went to Africa, nao e?
As always very informative. Thank you
The hand trap series is a true gem of fun.
These revolvers are awesome I love the design it looks like the chamelot delvine and the dutch revolvers hope you get to look at one of those some day I almost had a chance to buy one at one point but it was out of my price range and 9.4mm dutch revolver is unobtanium ammo lol
Great content as usual. Been waiting for this one for a while! I’ve been enjoying “It’s a Trap!” as well.
There's a book on this revolver, in Portuguese published by "Fronteira do caos". Nice pictures and detailed history.
Great content as always.
Woke up early just to see this love everything you guys do
Othais' shirt is tactical camouflage for the set behind him
I love these old guns ... I enjoy watching your channel
YAY paris comune history!!! thanks!!! i miss those!
I'm imagining millions of French people spitting out their wine with the pronounciation of Soleil, it literally means Sun in French
So-lay or So-lay-ya guys, and yeah French is not my native language either.
Honestly, your content is so good the Kansas City WWI museum should arguably keep your channel playing on a loop :)
Another excellent episode guys! I see the shotgun collection is growing. I can't wait to see it!
top notch as always
Great presentation Othais. Never even heard of an Abadie before but dang that was interesting. Oh, and May.. good shooting for a gun you thought was going to jam.
I love you two!
Such an elegant revolver
After several episodes of guns that mentioned borrowing this loading system, it is great to finally see the original piece.
13:52 nice pointer!
Hair and face with what a novel concept. Thanks folks, I always learn a lot from your videos.
“Little spoon to Spains big spoon”
UwU
No animu.
it is indeed a feast for the eyes, it just looks good
I must admit the opening chamber music is the most relaxing 15 seconds of my day. Was it written just for your videos or is it available to the public? Oh yes, great vids too.
Killing me with these late night releases
Another great video. Keep it up folks. Stay healthy.
So cool to see the originator of the Abadie system.
This is a new one on me.
Thanks.
Looks like I'm staying up late tonight...
Thanks kids. Interesting informative, and a beautiful old wheel gun.
It's totally gorgeous and I had never heard of it. How many love at first sight...
wooo a new episode
Quite interesting. Very well done. Such a great piece of history. Thank you. No, I'd never heard of it.
God bless all here.
Interestingly (at least to me!) the muzzle velocity on the 9.1 Abadie is ALMOST low enough for a gun firing it to be a semi-unregulated firearm under Canadian law (the limit is 500 fps). Its muzzle ENERGY, on the other hand, is better than 20 times over the limit for semi-unregulated firearms (5.7 joules). That particular section is meant to carve out exceptions for nail guns, rivet guns, paintball, airsoft, etc; Canadian law defines ANYTHING with a barrel that expels a projectile capable of destroying an eyeball as a firearm, so without that section, it's all-manual barn-raisings all the way. And we think of AMERICAN firearms laws as a mess... (Anyone here who has any interest in firearms/weapons law who HASN'T seen the channel "Runkle of the Bailey" needs to go there right now; the best crossover of gun/law content I've seen on this site, and I'm including Fudd Busters. Ya boi's got good content, but that 12 minute limit he's set for himself means he has to edit out a LOT of minutiae that, let's face it, are SUPER important in a legal proceeding. Call me a nerd all you want, just keep feeding me that sweet, sweet context and precedent!)
Soleil or “sun” in French, is pronounced “sol-iay”. I think the Belgians used the French pronunciation as well.
@@itsfonk Their videos are so well researched and presented, the oversight is jarring.
Yeah it was like nails down a blackboard to me as well, English is my native language but having learned French in High School many years ago in Australia the pronounciation was out of place.
It happened in Portugal! And your facts are intersting!
Have one. From my great-grandfather
I like revolvers! The last time I took an automatic (my fabulous CZ-52!) to the range i spent three quarters of my time trying to pick up the empties. I never did find them all. And that brass is damned expensive. My 1895 Nagant revolver is much more, er..., recreational. I never loose any brass and the reloading process is complex and elegant. And the barrel is absolutely the ONLY part that gets dirty.
I once served in a NATO gig with a Portuguese Navy Officer. It was 2001 or 2002. He was a data link geek and I was a radar geek. We had to travel into the combat zone at one point, and we had to be armed. I drew an M-9 from the armory that retained at least 10 percent of its original finish. My Portuguese friend produced some ancient revolver in an equally ancient flap holster. I tried to find out what, exactly, it was, but he didn't want to discuss it. As my daddy taught me years earlier that it was impolite to argue with someone carrying a gun, I left the subject alone. Today i'm really wondering what was under that flap? Probably just a Model 10, but it is a neat mystery.
It may come in other finishes but this is a blued Abadie da ba di
It look to me very similar to the Italian Chamelot Delvigne, just smaller.
As someone trained in modern gun safety since I was 5 that thing is crazy. At the same time I am horrified yet amazed. Mechanically this thing is amazing and a brilliant solution. At the the same time the idea of pulling the trigger to load sounds insane.
On the other hand you have a very visible hammer, and visible chambers. So for example you couldn't do the old mistake of racking the slide, then dumping the mag, then easing sprinBANG ooops etc
@@gavindavies793 You just made me hear Steven Crowder do his 7+1 videos where he does this hilarious German accent and goes "you forgot zee one in zee chamber."
Wow! May looks so happy when she shoots that pistol. OK, revolver. Neat gun. Very good video. Thanks.
Great video on an awesome weapon. How I wish that I could send you pictures of my German top break. There are some small similarities between the two. I would love to tap into both of y'all's knowledge of old weapons.
I really like this thing
Interesting piece of revolver engineering.
Would like to see some information on how the ammunition is produced for these obscure rounds (cartridge case modifications from existing cases, bullet molds used, powder charges used, etc.)
You are building quite the gated community here.
Nice!
this music is magical
the namesake itself, very nice
At first I vaguely thought that abadie was an acronym for the mechanism. Now I learn he was the designer. Progress.
That is a beautiful revolver.
56:00 That's what she said.
Realmente uma bela arma^^
I wonder if any revolver of this model has been fired in the recent decades. Is ammo as unobtainium as I suspect?
Your suspicions are correct sir
This gun was steam punk before steam punk was cool. or a thing.
This is one super sweet design, and cool how the loading and cylinder/hammer disconnect works.
Ok this is the extra episode, so where is the regular tuesday episode 😉
Cool guns Othais & Mae! Watch that word singular again: Two halves of the revolver held together at a SINGLE point. Would also like to see those babies fired...
Another great historic video. Maybe not on my bucket list.... but I'd love to see the reaction of the range safety officer at my local range as I load this pistol. The RSO's there are typically not "up to speed" on anything other than a Glock, 1911, or J Frame Revolver. I once had to explain that I could not "swing out" the cylinder on a single action army during a cease fire. :)
"you eat it with your eyes"
I feel like I've heard that somewhere recently...
Me too, where did you hear it? I can't seem to place it
This show rocks!
On the hammer rebound note, would it be possible to, if one was sufficiently stupid, hold the trigger down while closing the loading gate? It seems in the animation that doing so would leave the hammer down on a live round