The 'Game On' Debate | The West Wing
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ABOUT: Intense and dedicated presidential advisers get their personal lives hopelessly tangled up with professional duties as they try to conduct the business of running a country with fictional Democratic President Josiah "Jed" Bartlet.
"Its over." -- The self awareness of a challenger who knows he's been defeated. If only this was the case in our current climate.
The current meatbag posing as a presidential candidate would endlessly lie about the election being rigged, and try to incite another insurrection. Anything to avoid accountability.
And the response he gave was brilliant “you’ll be back”
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Yes - winning with class.
@@pdoylemi been a few years since we’ve seen any of that
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All things considered, I thought Biden was fairly classy.
Toby just casually snacking in the back kills me every time
“It’s the punch Ali never gave Foreman as he was going down” - Wow - amazing line.
The best show in the story of tv. “Can we have it back please” is a little masterpiece
Abby cutting his tie is genius! Get the adrenaline flowing 😂
Was that the point? I believe you but I didn't see it.
@@randyzeitman1354yeah, it was to get him to stop worrying about random bs.
@@Johnny5isstillaliveno it was because the whole point want that the Tie Charlie was worrying about all episode was Lucky, Abby knew that the “luck” had come from the circumstances surrounding it. I have no doubt even if the tie has not been damaged she would have done the exact same thing because it was the moment that drove that first debate, not the tie on its own. It’s why they insist on Josh being the one to give the tie up so everything is the same.
The relationship/chemistry between Jed and Abby may be the most underrated part of this tremendous show.
I loved her so much in this. She was what I imagine a perfect First Lady to be. Smart, and reminded the president who he was when she needed to.
I love her face as she cackles. 😂 what a great moment.
"If only" I have said that so many times watching this show.
Still holds true today. Perhaps even more so.
I am doubtful we will ever get back to a time where debating something on its merits instead of attacking each other is more important. This show is a good reminder of what our country used to be like.
@@dr.davidenglish778 It is my current dilemma is how do we get to a point that both parties vote for the nation, and not for the party, or personal gain.
@@hawkthorn33 a strong third party would be a good start. That has been very difficult to do though. I'm hopeful about the last few states passing the interstate complex agreement that will basically change the electoral college into the popular vote for states that approved it.
Agreed. If only is surely all we can say in this day and age.
@@hawkthorn33you need a multiple party system with a genuine 3rd and 4th option that is different, not Just more right Republican or more left democrat.
You need to move away from the college electoral system and move to a more representative system of electing your presidents.
But a 3rd party, or maybe eve more then just 3 would be a good start
Watching this today, because there is now way our geezer candidates in 2024 will have such a stirring, elegant debate.
I love how they brought Hal Holbrook into the episode… sort of a “That Certain Summer” reunion.
Abby's Bugs Bunny chuckle gets me every time.
Sorkin…. Brilliant. Choice of cast
perfect. Missed❤️
Such a great show!! Martin & Stockard have such great chemistry. You really believe they're married
Stockard Channing is awesome.
Something about Martin Sheen that fits this role so well that no one else would have been able to give the same honest feeling in it !
Martin Sheen was a political activist outside of his acting career. I'm guessing that his off-screen activism informed his interpretation of President Josiah Bartlett's character.
I couldn't help but notice how, as one candidate was using his time to speak, the other candidate stfu and waited for his turn, like an adult who understood how debates are supposed to work.
In a few weeks, we are going to be treated, once again, to a hellish example of what can happen when one of the candidates is incapable of understanding how debates - and adulthood - are supposed to work.
I can already tell you I will not be voting for that illiterate, 34 times convicted felon.
Will you?
Debates used to be like this in the 70's and 80's
@@scallen3841 I ain't that the truth.👍
I was in school in the 60's and 70's and was an undefeated Debate/Forensics champion 3 years in a row.
When I watch Trump try to participate in a debate, I have to consiously focus on not grinding my teeth.
@@glenbateman5960 to much bs
About the only advantage in the upcoming debate is that the microphones will be muted after the time limit for speaking is up. I suspect Trump will continue to try and talk but then he won’t be heard. Moderator do your job and enforce this,
I don't know why Biden and Trump are bothering to debate. Trump will turn it into a dumpster fire.
Such a sweet moment with Hal Holbrook, chokes me up a little every time.
I love the bit with Allison Janney and Hal Holbrook.
“Actually what you’ve done in Florida is bring the Right together with the Far Right.”
Goddamn this show was prescient.
Not quite, instead the far right took over the right
When intelligent, thoughtful and inspiring television was made!!!
Josiah "Beast-Mode" Bartlet
He needed the adrenalin from having the last-minute tie crisis.
When a debate is really a debate and moderators actually moderated and held participants to the rules. Of course, only in a tv show. If only reality were as functional as fiction.
I wish US politics could be like this. No need for smears, name calling, half-truths (at best) with candidates that demonstrate integrity and respect.
You clearly didn’t see the previous episode when Richie insulted the president to his face, or this episode when Bartlet calls out Richie for being disrespectful and smearing him. What you wrote applies to the Vinick-Santos election. The show implies that this one was muddy.
@@tonydejesus2134 Nope, I watched every episode when it first aired. What we see is vastly better than what we have now.
@@tonydejesus2134 the one at the opera house? Yes I remember it. Ritchie called Bartlett an "elitist snob" and said he (Barlette) is a "superior son of a b****. That is mild compared to what is happening now. I'm one of the last people you want to challenge about West Wing lines.
@@dr.davidenglish778I mean at least Ritchie didn’t say it was rigged, which is technically an improvement - of course, when you’re losing Indiana, Nebraska and South Dakota as a Republican, you really lose the right to complain about how the election was carried out.
@@Uller1967 better than now, for sure - but there WAS name-calling and mudslinging, contrary to what you wrote. Richie demonstrated no respect. It was Vinick and Santos that showed class and dignity.
10 word answers are the tip of the sword .... 20 years later we're down to 3 words :(
I think the phrase that got me...and always will...is 10 word answers pretty much always come with a body count. And in The West Wing, Bartlet had been there in more than a few situations.
Very poignant moment.
That's such a Rizzo move. I love her in this role lol
I like her little laugh after cutting the tie.
2:25 I love how he simultaneously thanking her and punishing her for being so naughty in that moment.
Pretty sure that wasn't punishing.
She's surely thinking "He'd better not stop at one!"
CJ using the Muhammad Ali-George Foreman analogy was just classic West Wing dialogue.
Agree-but it would have been better had she said “the phantom punch Ali never gave LISTON!.” There were no phantom punches against Foreman.
@@kblenseigne Ali threw a flurry of punches at an exhausted Foreman. Ali prepared to throw one more punch but he didn’t throw it because Foreman was already going down. CJ was making a sports analogy. Bartlett had already won no need to for the extra punch.
@@alexius23 Tru dat, thanks! It’s just famous “phantom punch” is the one thrown at Liston that put him down despite the video evidence of it not landing. I remember that fight you were talking about too where Ali roper-doped Foreman to exhaustion. One of the most classic of all fights! Maybe CJ (Sorkin) knew more nuanced boxing than I initially gave credit! Appreciate you bro for the response.
I wish Jed was my president
I remember at the time the show was on the air, so many people wanted Martin Sheen to run for President for real. But he kept reminding everyone it was a TV show, and he was not Bartlet, he was an actor!!!
He played it so well, sometimes I forget he's fictional.
Forever "My" President 🙌
OMG yes!!!
You mean imaginary
Bartlett is in this funny zen like state. “My daughters are here?” He is practically rolling his eyes at the “game on” garbage. Then she cuts the tie.
My God, Aaron Sorkin is a genius. "It's the punch, Ali.....".
About three too many "game on" lines, but this is such a great clip.
The greatest fictional president ever.
I wish some network would re-run this show now.
HBO Max...every night I go to bed to it
Josh's tie looks way better than that boring one he was wearing originally. Though I am sure that was intentional.
This is probably mentioned already, but I read that CJ’s tumble into the stage area was accidental but left in.
Sublime drama. I miss The West Wing.
My favorite part from this episode was when Toby or Sam or Josh said they let the president be arrogant and elitist because the media would say he was anyways 😂😂😂
The issues and arguments have changed very little. The caliber of the candidates, the quality of the discourse and the courtesy afforded the opposition have alarmingly deteriorated 😢
You can see her hiding the scissors up her right sleeve at 1:03.
No, they’re on the table right behind her right hand
i never noticed until my like 4th or 5th time watching this episode just how comically high Bartlett raises his hand for the spank at 2:25
I noticed that from the first showing all those years ago. Shows the playfulness between a husband and his wife. Proves how much chemistry Martin Sheen and Stockard Channing had with each other. Perfection.... even the small smile Dr. Bartlet had immediately afterwards; she enjoyed that public spanking!
*"You are a freakishly tall woman."* I know, it's from a different episode, but everyone she smooched still barely made it to her chin.
“On any given Sunday you’re either gonna win or you’re gonna lose, But can you win or lose like a man?”
Al Pacino
They both won and lost like men.
I adore this episode and its writing. But I cannot help myself thinking that it’s quite tough to comment that ‘unfunded mandate’ is two words while not realizing that the Ritchie’s catch phrase counts far more than ten words.
I don't think the 10 words is intended as some kind of ironclad rule. The idea is that it's short, it's punchy, it's easy to fit in your head and it gives people on the fence a reason to vote for you.
Besides, his answer is "The people know how to spend their money better than the government does." That's 13 words, counting articles. Pretty close, I'd say.
2:25 Ah so that's what Mrs. Bartlett is into. Hope they've got a safe-word for later!
Well they do have a decent amount of kids
Or ten safe words
I love this channel, but I can't believe it took you this long to post the best most air punching cheering out loud moment of the whole show
They had these up many years ago and removed them. Warner Brothers closed their offices in many of the Asian countries because of pirating.
Great scene but the part where CJ mentions the ‘sewing soccer balls with their teeth’ is ridiculous. The face of the WH making such a statement would have thousands of follow up questions from the reporters present and make national headlines.
where can i watch the full series?
Second official west wing clips channel?
Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth lol
I wish they had made Ritchie a stronger candidate, just for a better competition
2 good men, we need em today?
Best . . . wife . . EVER.
we have a presidential debate coming up next week
Please. For the love of god. Release this show on Blu-ray/4k
They had it on DVD previously. I had all 7 seasons. I have a cheaper way of getting them and saving them now.
Why? It was not shot in hi def - and it is not the sort of content where that even matters. Just buy the DVDs or stream it.
@@dr.davidenglish778 I own the DVD
@@pdoylemi I own the DVD. Old shows get remastered all the time these days. The streaming quality is already better than the DVD - hence why I‘d love a Bluray. Happy?
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I guess, but I don't see the point. You are the extremely RARE person who would care about the quality of the video being marginally better. No one will invest in that. I really don't need to see Jed Bartlett's nose hair to enjoy it. I have remastered versions of the original Star Wars trilogy - that's worth it - though barely but the special effects look so much better I was willing to upgrade. But I also still have "To Kill a Mockingbird" on VHS tape along with many other old movies where the picture quality adds almost nothing to it.
Wow nothing changes
Yes, they have, Nowadays, candidates talk over each other during debates, instead of shutting up and letting the other speak.... like the proper structure of a debate.
Wow CJ’s comments to the Secretary would be a disaster politically.
The Secretary said those exact same words to CJ on the plane to the debate.
Ah, the good old days that never were. Cue sappy clarinet.
6:14 when even toby grins you know it's going to be good
“You’ll be back” . Did he run again? Did Vinick knock him out in the primary?
He didn't. Bartlet meant he'll be back into politics, but not back in the running for President.
Wait, Victor Kiriakis was the moderator? 😯
😂😂😂😂😂
I admit I did a double take watching this episode originally. RIP, John Aniston.
Who wrote the "About"? Dead.
what eas the significance of the tie?
Earlier in the episode his lucky tie was ruined. It was a last second tie given to him by Josh before a debate in the his first campaign. Dr. Bartlett decided to replicate the Genesis of the lucky tie.
They made the other guy look too dumb. Alan alda was so good in the next election
It’s a little upsetting that the entire debate is scenes of Richie saying unenthusiastic generic things and Bartlett (always last) having a perfect response for it. I know it’s a lot of the show, but this felt like the peak of Sorkin’s fantasy-style writing.
That's a really odd thing to be upset by.
It's implied to be the highlights of a debate. Debates usually go an hour or more. It's implied the whole debate was an asskicking with these being the top moments
It's definitely a liberal fantasy, but Ritchie is a riff on GWB who really did communicate in a lot of these banalities.
The West Wing was a top 10 show, what were they gonna do, have Bartlet lose?
Plus I think one of the big things missed is that Richie was thought to be just not smart enough, so I guess the debate and this clip reiterates this... thus, the "crime, boy I don't know"
If this were a real presidential debate, the average yeehaw Republican would've heard, "I'll drop out right now," and assumed Ritchie won it: that phrase would be plastered all over Fox as quickly as it could've been typed out, and that would've been that.
It gives me absolutely no pleasure to say it.
The line about wanting the federal money back is pretty silly since Florida pays more into the Federal government then it takes out.
Regardless of the amount, Florida still gets money from the Federal government. That was Bartlett's point: 'you want the Federal government out of your back yard? Fine -- but we're taking our money with us when we go'.
And my point was that the Fed takes more money from Florida than it gives. So if you’re taking “your” money, Florida isn’t going to give you any either. Net win for Florida.
@@jameshetu6885 Only if you call it a 'net win' to lose out on several billion Federal dollars.
There are 48 other states in the Union, as well, any of which would /love/ the extra money that was freed up from Florida's budget.
The Federal government won't be hurting nearly as much as you seem to be predicting.
But anyhow. Just wanted to put my oar in the water. :)
Have a good one.
I’m saying it goes both ways. You’re assuming that Florida keeps paying taxes to the Federal government. I’m saying if the Fed cuts off Florida, Florida will stop paying into the Federal government and the benefit will be a net gain for Florida. Yes, they don’t get billions from the Fed but they also don’t pay in Billions to the Fed. Florida pays in more than it takes.
And you can’t call it secession because it was the Federal government you expelled Florida.
@@jameshetu6885 Which years are you pulling your data from? Has this always been the case? The show is pretty old.
I love the notion of it, but presidential candidates, and politicians in general, have far too much hubris to ever admit that an election is over.
Long-past time to just draft congress, senate and the president.
Not a DIME more wasted on elections.😊😊😊😊
As flawed as the US system is (I am totally against the Electoral College system, but I'm not a US citizen), the Gettysberg Address said it best... 'and that government of the people, by the people, for the people,...'
My interpretation is that the government is CHOSEN by the people. If Congress, Senate and the President is drafted in, so many people would be up in arms about how they didn't vote for the President. That is why a Royal Family of a country holds minimal power, and their Prime Ministers (whose party are voted into power) are the ones who make the decisions.
Arguing against my own opinion, we all saw what happened with Biden and Trump, where people did not accept the result, simply because their guy didn't win. Imagine the uproar of a President was drafted in. EVERYONE would argue against it.
From American people know how best to spend their money
To American corporations know how best to spend their workers money
Republicans have come a long way indeed - to Trump?!
It’s a shame The West Wing’s writers couldn’t write a conservative character who could make a principled and rational case for conservative positions. Or libertarian ones, for that matter. At best they rattle off one half-baked sound bite only to crumple as the main cast makes an unchallenged speech in response. I get the sense that they wanted to do so a few times, but they just couldn’t do it.
And that's why the show was often called The Left Wing.
Now imagine Trump on that stage. And people will still vote for him.
Many of the conservative answers were so 'out of the box' and lightweight that it was cringe. This was a demonstration of character assassination, not a debate.... but thats how shows prove their point. Im not left or right, but this debate always bothers me.
The overkill of older white people using young black slang repeatedly...like they just heard it for the the first time that morning. Surprised Charlie didn't puke
The lack of trans or black lesbian characters is shameful.
This is a dumb TV show
I would not call it dumb, but unrealistic. Two presidential candidates having a civilized discussion and respecting each other? That is as far away from reality currently going on in the US as you can possibly get.
Not USA here. I learnt more about US politics from this show than the years I've watched news outlets. Yes, I know it is a fantasy, but I learnt a lot from the show. Calling it dumb is just.... dumb!
Thank you for such an in-depth and insightful critique of the show.
Actually partisan politics aren't what the founders had in mind... They wanted many different parties, not just 2...
Yeah, Washington warned against it