Chastising her for not standing up seems like a pure power move to put her in her place. But that is not it. He exposed her hypocrisy first by pointing out that she arbitrarily chooses biblical laws that people should abide to. And then by showing that she herself has no respect for customs and traditions.
@@ljink48 I'm wondering that as well. (Edit: Now that I've thought about it more, I have first-hand experience dealing with some military folk, especially officers. They think military rules apply to civilians, that's how brainwashed they become. Sad, really.)
@@bsegovia23 Those words kinda define civilization as a whole. We buy things with either paper/plastic notes of money or use cards which make transactions based on 1s and 0s hat represent our bank account. If a disaster wipes out the servers and backups, who is to say who has a billion dollars and who has 10 dollars?
@@bsegovia23 peace, ethics, justice, religion, currency, politics, language, communication... all ideas made up by human beings. Doesn’t make them less powerful, less able to affect change in the world.
When you look at the vicious attacks politicians absorb, I just don't think anyone that competent could justify volunteering for something like this. Instead, you get the rand pauls of this world.... greedy, ignorant, nasty, self-absorbed.
We do! And he’s kind too! He understands how to relate to people, doesn’t lie and feels emotions, in particular empathy. How refreshing after the lying, traitorous grifting president that proceeded him from 2017-21. What a disgrace and total Loser that guy was and is.
@Eric EH You don't know that, it doesn't matter how many times do you repeat it. I hope you realize every time you post that nonsense you are reinforcing the OP.
I remember hearing a story about President Reagan and Speaker Tip O'Neill would sit down for a drink after 5pm when deals and compromise needed a little push in the right ( or left, lol!) direction. Spending on social programs was a target of the administration and the GOP wanted cuts. Social Security was the biggest target for cuts along with welfare programs. Apparently O'Neill pulled the Irish card while sharing a couple glasses of whiskey with the President and alluded to all the Irish grandparents that came to America and needed Social Security to put food on the table. I'm not sure if I have the minutiae exact but I going to find were this story came from. Could be from a book by Chris Matthews.
@@byteme6346 There's a difference between being directed and doing what you are asked. And going above and beyond to make a scene look amazing. He did the latter here
@BigDaddy M aka Big Daddy M aka B Daddy M And we've stepped from people saying he made terrible arguments against the Bible all the way to blatant sexism. What a time to be alive!
But all of this was a politically correct strawman monologue that showed that Bartlett's character cared more about being PC than understanding the Scriptures.
@@nicholastrudeau7581 It's literally being read in context, literally. Trying to gloss over it by saying "well at this time, etc, etc." doesn't change what the damn thing says in black and white. There's at least 2 dozen verses that talk about selling daughters, etc. Literally, Exodus 21:7 "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do." Now, some might try to sugarcoat it and say they weren't slaves... but that doesn't get around the fact that it says "sell his daughter." You don't buy and sell people who work voluntarily.
@Eric EH Irony: Christians trying to stablish a higher moral ground telling people who don't share their beliefs that deserve an eternity of suffering.
However, he is preaching from the Old Testament. Christianity starts from the New Testament. This is a common misconception of the left. Referring to Christianity from the old covenant(Jewish Law) as Christianity
@Xander Fulton The reason you like scenes like the one in this video so much is because you hate God so much... and you enjoy seeing Him and His Word attacked and slandered by servants of Satan. When you see God under attack, it emboldens you... seeing others attacking God and His Word provides you false-confidence that He is not who He says He is... seeing others who are not ashamed of their sin encourages you to not feel ashamed of yours! You are greatly deceived and mistaken. God is not dependent upon you or anyone for anything. God is the same, yesterday today and forever! Your worldly tv shows do not affect God's being. No. God is God independent of whatever lies and slander Martin Sheen and other sinners say... There is nothing secret from the Lord. He knows every wicked thing that you have ever done in secret. He knows those things that if they were exposed to your friends and family and coworkers, you would be overflowing with deep shame and guilt... or at least embarrassment! You are warned! On that day, all will be revealed... all your secrets will be exposed for all to see... and if on that day, you are still filled with pride, God will banish you to experience torment and anguish and suffering in hell and the Lake of Fire for all eternity. A billion years is but a second compared to eternity! Facing your eternity, you will wish you had never been born. But you do not need to spend eternity with Satan and the wicked.... Jesus is gracious! He is willing to forgive you all your sins... but He will not forgive sin that is not first forsaken. Fear God, repent and live!
This was such a great show many great actors and Martin is perfectly cast. And Allison Janney turned out to be one of my fave actors after her wonderful role.
So, when did congress pass a law requiring you to stand for your public servant? When did the president stop being a public servant and become a monarch, who must be shown deference. Are you really defending someone whose ego is so large, he can't abide by a woman kerping her seat while he talked. Oh the horror!!! Why is the president disrespecting someone he supposedly serves for having the wrong opinion or not showing him enough respect celebrated? Isnt Bartlett just pulling a cartman... "You will Respect my Authori-tay-"
@@MatthewJones-jg4eu Should i be expected to respect my public servant or should he be expected to respect me? I also find it funny that according to you people, not standing for a public servant is disprespect, but a president reprimanding a citizen for their constitutionally protected beliefs is to be cheered on.. Im also not a conservative, but nice try..
I DISAGREE. THE SHOW IS WRONG because slavery in the ancient world was vastly different from slavery of the 19th century. ****DID YOU ACTUALLY BELEIEVE YOU JUST BESTED GOD AND THE BIBLE?****** LMAO
and i never know why! those naughty bits are sometimes the most interesting parts!! and they can bring up so many conversations! I understand if there are people who feel uncomfortable talking about religion, but I really do enjoy it because there are so many religions and beliefs that talking about them is one of the most awesome things ever! Unless if you talk with someone who believes that there is only one ‘correct’ religion and everyone else is condemned. In which case, you should run the other way.
@@lastgirl7071 Yes...run to anybody who tickles your little ears... I find it very interesting how all of you people who base every bit of "truth" on perspective...How you ever manage to find solid ground is amazing. Nothing less than the grace of God. If everything is relative, When do you find absolutes? Maybe you should just stay in your little echo chambers, you aren't as smart as you think you are. Wisdom and knowledge are two different things, and quick wit does not equate to anything but a mouth that never stops. You will be faced with this one day, perhaps sooner than you ever imagined. You should get down off your high horse... Most "christians" in this age are as you describe and expect... Religion is a trap. The veil is about to be rent asunder.
@@jeffmorin5867 honey, you ever heard of ‘short and sweet’ ? also, i’m not sure but it sounds like you’re accusing me of something or just patronizing me either check your tone, or explain your contempt
Oh yes, he really "showed" her, lol. All Scripture is God breathed and good for teaching and instruction (paraphrase). Of course this lip made it seem as though all believers who believe that the Bible calls the act of homosexual sex a sin as someone who is cherry picking, but maybe Bartlett is the one who is cherry picking?
She didn't intend any disrespect, she just didn't know the protocol. In general a lady need not stand when a gentleman enters the room. She just didn't know that in Bartlet's august presence the normal rules of etiquette are varied. Bartlet comes off as rude and full of himself.
Bartlet's not just any guy from off the street lol, he's the president. The rules of etiquette dictate that when the president enters the room, all who can stand do stand, especially when they are in the white house. I don't think Bartlet came off as full of himself, I think he was appropriately angry and hostile at someone who he thought was misleading the public (with her calling herself a doctor but practising in a context outside her expertise), and more importantly, someone who was spreading a hateful and dangerous narrative without appropriate context
@@keithsmith4780 That's either a pretty ignorant assessment or you are being intentionally dense. Who doesn't' know to stand up when the President of the US enters the room? Or just do what everyone else in the room just did? How about anytime it is anyone where the protocol is to announce that persons arrival no matter who they are? Even the most moronic and inconsequential state governor would have gotten a stand up from everyone present, but you’re visiting the White House and you don’t even know to stand when the President is announced? Come on now…… really?
This scene never gets tiresome...the hypocrisy in so many religions has never changed and unfortunately have far too many that follow blindly ..religion and politics should never merge and yet we see the evangelical all to often poke their nose into federal politics which is a dangerous thing.
Many ideologies thrive on that, to sway those looking for easy answers to complex questions, with strict, limited interpretations. And because so many feel that thinking for themselves is too hard for them to do, those ideologues find easy prey.
@@davegreenlaw5654 "The Bible is not meant to foster a belief in Christianity but merely to support those who cannot take responsibility for their own lives"
I wonder how many innocent children Bartlet killed with authorized air strikes in countries congress had not declared war with, for those 8 years he was valiantly defending the sanctity of homosexuality. Aaron Sorkin is a delusional zealot full of hate for anything doesn't think like him.
What I love is that when Bartlet starts talking to Doctor Jacobs, CJ seems to realise whats going on and looks over to Toby and Sam as if to say "this is gonna be good"
This was on my recommendations. And I’m glad it was. I never watched an episode of this but I can see why sheen won all those emmys for his performances on this show
It’s one of the best written shows with fast paced, intelligent and witty dialogue. The only other show as fast and smart is Newsroom on HBO. Both are a must watch.
@Eric EH Woah. How did you jump to that assumption by my comment? You are wrong. Why scroll through everyone’s comments and then judge them? If you really want to preach, kindness might work better.
@Eric EH Ok I see words that are normal, kind, tolerant, sane or rational are not in your vocabulary. Like I said, if you really want to preach, you should really work on your delivery. And maybe make your own CZcams video instead of worrying what everyone else is posting.
I absolutely loved this scene..forget the president, I wish more human beings were like this lmao..not only knows how to speak..but knows exactly what to say to freaking blow your tiny,shallow mind..
I absolutely adore this scene. I grew up in Pentecostal churches with these self righteous holier than thou types just like this woman. Once I left, I realizied that these people are zealots that scare people away from Jesus. Jesus is kind, loving, and accepting.
Of course he is, but his sky daddy is not...wait, he is his sky daddy...or do Pentecostals not believe that part? With 20k denominations in the U.S. it gets so confusing which parts of the Bible are to be taken literally or not. If only there was a central authority to turn to who could clear this up. Wait, there is one, but he belongs to the wrong denomination for you to recognize that authority... This god fellow of yours sure likes chaos eh?
Imagine having the president reprimand you at an event you were invited to because you have the wrong beliefs, and all to impress some staffer.. Then tell me you would still adore it..
You never really read the NT.. He wasn't so kind or loving. He demanded exclusivity that he did not allow one disciple to properly bury his father (which is mandated in the same Torah this jesus was said to fulfill) , he talked down to his mother ('woman, what do I have to do with YOU), he refused to help a desperate mother twice (and his disciples three times) and essentially called her a dog. He reduced his disciples to stealing and eating raw grain on the Shabbat because he refused to make any preparation for them-- yet claimed he was righteous and observant..then deflected the concerns into a libel-fest wherein he couldn't even get the facts of the bible right. He demanded that anyone who objected to him be brought before him and killed. He instituted the sin of thought crimes (wherein if you think it it's as good as doing it, which is totally asinine!! ACTIONS are what count). He lied about the Torah and lied about the Jews-- in fact, opened the floodgates of anti-Semitism, hatred and and violence against Jews. He purposely dissed his own family and his own mother. He was a vile, spiteful, arrogant and evil person.. only second to Paul who was even worse. Of course, we have NOTHING of jesus.. he never wrote anything. But there wasn't a crime in humanity that wasn't absolved by Holy Writ.
@Eric EH So in the comments on a video clearly and correctly pointing out the bloodthirsty Bronze Age barbarism of the Bible, you choose to proclaim your support of said book, instead of hanging your head in shame..... Interesting..
@Eric EH "what exactly do you believe?" Well, from context I assume you mean in regards to the existence of god(s). I do not believe in god(s). "I know God is real" No, you do not. You _believe_ God (I assume you mean Yahweh - the Christian god, out of the thousands that has been said to exist throughout human history) is real. There is quite a big difference between knowing something and believing something. Beliefs are dime-a-dozen. Knowledge is a sub-set of belief, often described as justified true belief (and by true, I mean in accordance with reality). "I know the bible is true" No, you do not. See above. "I suggest you believe" Thank you. I'll take your suggestion under consideration. "but only God can reveal this stuff to you" OK.
@Eric EH "I know it's true" No, you do not. You _believe_ it is true, and I accept and acknowledge that it is a sincere and heartfelt belief. You really should learn the difference between knowing and believing, and how beliefs doesn't "become knowledge" just because you believe a whole lot. As an aside, you really shouldn't present "arguments", that you yourself don't find convincing. I am confident in guessing, that you don't find a similar "argument" persuasive, if a member of another religion says; "I know the Bhagavad Gita is true", for example. "hell is real" Yes, that belief is indeed part of most Christian orthodoxy. It doesn't tell you if it is actually real or not. "Most people go to hell" Yet another fundamental part of Christian orthodoxy - with the exact same issues. "Jesus died for sins" Same issue as above. Having entertained your little distraction, I'll bring us back to the original point; that of you supporting the bloodthirsty Bronze Age barbarism presented in the Bible. You see, it doesn't matter if it is real or not. Whether it is fiction or fact - it is still heinous inhuman practices, that civilised modern society has roundly rejected. The very fundamental pillars of Christianity are rejected as profound nonsense.
Obama did it for me. Go look at the video of him responding to an audience member about his ideas for gun control. He responded off the cuff and very clearly and logically responds in an incredible way. Nothing extremist in his response, just an adult with common sense ideas and very well put together.
You can get on a megaphone and shout it down Main Street, and nobody will tar-and-feather you...as long as you're a Democrat. If you're anything else, you're screwed.
@Bay Nope. Anyone can say it... as the joke that it is. The problem nowadays is that too many people think that it's not a joke. They believe that it is true, with no evidence to support it, simply because their dear leader says so. They have believed him, with no reliable and admit-able proof that supports his assertion, to the point where they attacked our Capitol in an effort to stop the certification of the actual winner, Biden, on Jan. 6th. This unlawful storming against a Constitutionally Mandated process was the most un-American act I have ever witnessed and a stain on our nation's honor that will remain for a long, long time. So, take a megaphone and shout it down Main Street...just make sure that everyone knows that you are kidding and you will be safe. But, if you say it as a false statement of fact....with no proof to back it up other then the word of your favorite politician...Woe unto you...because most actual American patriots are still f-ing pissed off about that anti-American assault on our Constitution based simply on the words of a Liar. BTW, I'm not a dem. I'm like most American voters, an Independent. Semper Fi
@@rachelmiller9280 ""Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales--whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water--you are to detest."
@@MalakianM2S Thank you, as you can tell I don't read the bible. I don't know where to put all this nonsense but I do believe there is a GOD or something. All these eating fish or not eating something else and beating your bother or mother, then there's a pig.
She wanted to stand out, she knew she would. It's typical for people of her character to try and be different so they would be noticed and feel special.
Are you kidding? In a show not written by a screenwriter prone to what President Obama called "liberal fantasy" Bartlett just gave the talk radio hosts he denigrates a solid gold gift. His arrogance and god complex are now proven beyond a doubt, as far as the Rush Limbaughs, the Mark Levins, the Bob Grants, Glenn Becks, Tucker Carlsons and Ben Shapiros of the world are concerned. If this is being recorded, a dumpy (hey, on this show, did Presidential trivia expert Bartlett ever bring up the fact that Martin Sheen's height makes him the 2nd shortest President in US history?) aging man demanding a pretty woman stand in his presence appears in commercials for EVERY Republican candidate, with a voiceover saying "President Bartlett's ego is out of control. We need people like Candidate X to stand up to him before it's too late!" Especially if they are women "President Bartlett talks a lot about his pro-woman agenda, but here we see what he really thinks of a woman who speaks her mind, who stands up for her faith and family values!"
@@Gunleaver What she is doing here (in her seething hatred of the man) is the same thing that Colin Kapernick did kneeling for National Anthem. I don't think Kapernick was right, but its the exact same concept. No I will not stand for you. I am going to disrespect you. You can hate me for it, you can shame me for it, but I am entitled to do it because I can't stand you. You'll note, she never interrupted him. She sat there and allowed herself to be humiliated. I don't think that was realistic. Someone in her position, if she is going to sit like that, after being shamed she would likely leave. That is the only reason why she would stand, to walk out the door and not even look at him while she did it.
Every once in a while this shows up on my "algorithm" and I watch it every time... AND i LOVE it every time. Republican, Democrat, or Bull Moose party, it makes no difference. The office, not the man, should always be respected and (dare I say it) revered. The office holder is still human, but fighting for the rights and well-being of the people should always be that person's first and last thought.
@@TheJBSChannel oh, deary, deary me... I tried to talk about the office, but your wittle snowflake tears just streamed down your face, and you just HAD to make it about "Orange Man Bad", dincha? Well, let's have this conversation later after Creepy Joe gets unemployment back to the record lows experienced in the time since oh... say, 2016?, or maybe gets America oil independent, or... maybe makes it through four years without starting a war, or oh, wait.. how about this one... closes the border and pushes the supposedly surging COVID rates along the border down? Hmm.... care to comment on any of those things. The person who is in that office might be a mean, nasty, SOB, but, I suppose you liked watching Obama lick the boots of foreign mulahs. Oh, and let's not forget the $150Billion in CASH he had flown to IRAN in the middle of the night. So, no, Fox, I've not been asleep. BUt like nearly 80 million other Americans, I've been watching closely, carefully, taking notes, and waiting for the flare to go up so America can truly be the great bastion of freedom she once was!
@@jasonstarr6419 holy shit? Do you actually believe all that drivel? Trump could have saved the dolphins who fucking cares? The man has destroyed American democracy. Who believes a nation where nearly half its citizens don’t accept the efficacy of elections? I would also point out your “respect the office “ has disappeared.
@@jennybeard6341 I never even implied that anyone should respect him or any other President. It's all about the position. In the military, there's a saying, "Respect the uniform". And, we should all be careful of throwing around slurs. It's a slippery slope away from providing factual information. Of course, if our only source of information comes from media outlets that are wholly owned by just six megacorporations, what incentive do they have to give us the unvarnished truth? It only serves them to have us believing as they wish and living as they wish.
A Phd in Literature and she gives advice to people on TV.....on what? What types of books they should read? What authors are the best for different situations?
@@sueprice3315 Dr. Laura has a bit more than that: BS in biological sciences from the State University of New York at Stonybrook, two master's degrees and a doctorate in physiology from Columbia University, and a post-doctoral certificate in counseling from the University of Southern California. She is also a licensed marriage, family, and child counselor, and has practiced for since. Schlessinger has served on the faculties at the University of Southern California and Pepperdine University, and has also taught at UCLA and the University of California at Irvine.
This scene is pretty ironic now considering the current debate on whether or not it's appropriate for Jill Biden to call herself Doctor Jill Biden considering she also has a Doctorate in English
@@sce2aux464 Still, as I said, the scene clearly was a dig at Dr. Laura. The president asks Dr. Jacobs if her PhD was in psychology, theology, social work, and she admits, no, not any of those. It is in an area unrelated to the topics she discusses on her show.
(gulp) I hope I'm not overstepping but I dare venture to say you would enjoy the Admiral & Chief of Staff "Young black man" "Old black man" discussion (I certainly did).
West Wing! Breaking Bad is no slouch! I have not seen The Wire. RIP Michael who played Omar. Name your favorite brilliant writers!! BTW: Netflix is NOW filming Rendezvous With Rama!!!Netflix had enough money!!!
This really resonates with me: I sometimes argue with my Mom when she says that I shouldn't work on a Sunday and I would respond that I'm just putting some clothes in the washing machine , it's not like I'm washing them by hand in the river....
@@craigburns7907 - actually, it does tie right in, as crabs are prohibited in the books of the Law; hence, it was a visual proof of her 'picking and choosing'
@@craigburns7907 It's been a while since I've seen it in it's entirety, but I think it's a reference to something that happens earlier in the scene, coming full circle.
The radio Dr’s giddy dream of creating a juicy anecdote of how she _”didn’t give Bartlett the satisfaction of standing”_ , necessitated disrespecting the office of the President .... *Her dream dashed asunder* . lol
I've just discovered this series last night when browsing through youtube. Wouldn't it be good to have a real President like that! It's a shame that such a fine country has so many bigots and racist.
Calling Christians bigots and racist is the result of loving the world more that loving God. That’s narrow minded and selfish thinking. We are a broken society and you rather have that instead the love of God who can break the slavery of sin. Interesting.
Imagine back in the day when the religious right was not the gigantic monster it is influencing/blackmailing almost 100% of our leaders in Government. This scene would never be in a movie today because its so unbelievable. Noone under 50 ever experienced the America I grew up during the 1970s.
Are you for real. If religious people had power like that abortion would be illegal Church attendance wouldn't be so low and LGBT marriage wouldn't be legal
U r right. I see another poster remarks on the strides made but everything attained needs to be protected. These religious frauds r awful. Tax churches
Italy whose Capital City is Rome and in that city is the Vatican. Italy is a Democracy it maybe 80% Catholic but it does have a Thriving multicultural Society where there is Abortion Divorce Same Sex Marriages and LGBTQ. Plus it has that abomination of American influence the Cosa nostra mafia. Excluding the Mafia The Republic of Ireland has all that Italy has. But then a true Democracy doesn't have to Brow beat it's own Citizenry to what Deity to believe in. 🇮🇪🇪🇺
@@SophiesDriver Oh no!!!! I signed up for hell on the basis it'd be better than spending eternity listening to him. Now you tell me we'll see him there!!!! I'm doomed!!!!
As a fellow Englishman may I suggest you watch one or more clips from the Newsroom especially by Will McAvoy and Charlie. Also written by Sorkin, they are brilliant and still relevant. Regards Jim.
I love how he points out the utter ridiculousness of using the "Ancient Book of Fairy Tales" to claim moral righteousness. If you have to cherry pick only the bits that suit you, it is worthless.
Indeed and how dare people, of any faith, claim a moral superiority simply because they have a book which they claim reveals the truth (...about them).
@Eric EH What arrogance. You can assert your faith or belief and encourage others in that belief ( and by the way what does the assertion "Jesus is true" actually mean in this context ?) but that does not give you the right to force others to do the same. Your exhortation just repels others and displays none of the humility which seems to be one of Jesus' traits.
@Eric EH Yes sheer arrogance and you have just repeated it. You may believe it but it is arrogant to think you have a monopoly on truth or to baldly state "Jesus is true". Show some intelligence and humility. And by the way where does hell appear in the New Testament ?
I was raised as a strict, fat, white, wealthy Neoconservative Lutheran. I've read the Bible and the Catechism cover to cover more times than I can count. I was forced to memorize and recite the Bible upon command until I was 16. I am now an atheist... or, at the very least, an agnostic. I believe men created the gods. However, you'd be quite surprised how often in my 45 years I have had to defend Christianity to judgmental, hypocritical, God-fearing arseholes who have no idea what their own religion dictates. This scene right here sums up everything I feel about mankind...
Correct, of what exactly NOT to do if your president. What he did is basically attack an American for their religion with the media in clear view. Doesn't matter if its backwards. He's an elected official meant to represent ALL Americans, and if the media was half as vicious toward Democratic presidents as they are Republican ones, his ass would have been chewed up and shat out and deceivingly so for this behaviour.
Kind of like Dr. Jill Biden? She's not an m.d. but liberals treat her like she is. You do have a point though titles are worthless. So the left needs to stop their uneducated hypocrisy
@@AgentExeider There is a difference between being religious and being a Bible-thumper. Joe Biden is a religious person. People like those from Westboro are Bible-thumpers
this STILL makes me happy, and i use very similar whenever people try to weaponize the Bible around me. treat it as a guide for love, because it's a VERY flimsy weapon of hate against someone with the first idea what it says
I'm a believer, have been for years, and it's always been my opinion people should be able to tell from my actions, NOT because I broadcast how "righteous" I am.
Amen i grew up in a God fearing and loving home and i knew what the God lord to say and do. When my grandparents the people i looked up to the most told me that they were racist i lost respect for them. I show nothing but love towards people and humanity. My job as a Christian is not to talk down to you and beat you down to follow God. My job is to just teach and show you all the wonderful things he has done and continue to do each and everyday. My job is just to plant the seeds of faith and spread the word just like a farmer spreads his crops. Its up to you and you only to decide if you want to follow Jesus. Not my job to make you follow its my job to show what he has done and help you along the way.
I know this is just a TV show , but why ohhhh why can’t we get a President with this kind of compassion, integrity, honor and grace. I’m 66. I wonder if we can get a government Of The People, By The People and For The People as our forefathers intended before I pass on?
I love & miss this show so very much. This was an extraordinary & truly classic scene on every possible level!!! Sam: "I'm just just gonna take that crab puff" 🤣🤣🤣
There was no point. Well, no relevant point anyway. In Christianity the sacrifice Jesus made fulfilled all obligations of and purposes for ceremonial law, there is no longer any reason to live under that law and avoid shellfish, etc, etc. In contrast moral law never changes, even if the Bible teaches us that how that applies in the life of a believer is different post crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension. This has been commonly understood Christian theology for literally 2,000 years. All the screenwriters and director managed here was to prove that they know absolutely nothing about Christianity. This is an echo chamber of ignorance; nothing more and nothing less.
Dear doctor, how are you going to preach on something you didn't even have a doctorate or any degree on? She forgot to show the respect of the office he held. All she had to do was stand. Pride cometh before a fall.
@@lewiscoacher7781 The woman in the video that you're insisting has no basis in reality is actually directly based on dr. laura schlessinger, a real radio show host who does imply to have expertise she doesn't actually have, while decrying gay people and using Leviticus as her justification.
@@inajar7947 Some people seem confused, I hope this help; a link to the letter you mentioned: www.stpaulsepiscopalbakersfield.org/uploads/6/6/9/0/6690860/a_letter_to_dr_laura.pdf
The Silence of everyone else during this scene and their body language spoke volumes., this was a man worthy of respect and you did not cross him., unless you were ready to go to war with him and you had all of your weapons lined up knew how to use them. This is a perfect example of using religion to hide bigotry of any type and he took her apart one brick at a time
This pretty much describes the average christian...convinced they have all the answers and the moral high ground, when the vast majority don't even know what's in their own holy book, because they've never actually read it.
It is a constant source of amazement to me how people can apply the most rigorous logic in the day to day execution of their jobs and domestic life but come Friday in the mosque, Saturday in the synagogue or Sunday in the church they listen to and believe in the most irrational ridiculous nonsense.
@Eric EH My intention here is only to help inform and not to fan any flames. Just wanted to add to this thread that the Bible has overwhelming evidence AGAINST the existence of a realm of eternal suffering. If you believe the Bible to be the truth, then for you it flat out proves there is no Hell. One of the simplest evidences comes from John 3:16. "Whoever believes in Him will not PERISH, but have eternal LIFE." Either you cease to exist or you live forever in peace and joy. There is no option for being tortured forever. What kind of God of love would even allow that? When you get to know God's character of love, you come to an understanding that the idea of a Hell is absurd.
@Eric EH The Bible says that the lake of fire “means the second death.” (Revelation 20:14; 21:8) If you're going to argue for the existence of a place of eternal suffering, you're going to need more than an elementary knowledge of the Bible to make your case. Ironically, the more you learn the Bible, the more you'd realize it does not support your views of Hell at all.
@Eric EH Your arguments are so incredibly weak. How old are you? You haven't backed up anything you've said. For anyone who reads any comments you've made here, you've given them absolutely every reason to believe you have no idea what you're talking about. You remind me of the social justice movement. Just scream at the truth until you get your way! lol
If the character were protrayed as a muslim, not a word would have been said. It would be most uncomfortable to point out that their koran says the same things on all those matters.
@@johnmagill9496 You realize the show did criticize Saudi Arabia, and islamic fanaticism in the episode called Women of Qmar, right? This scene has nothing to do with the woman's faith, witch btw is not mentioned once, and the real person that inspired the scene is a conservative jew. Tldr; your troll kungfu is pretty weak.
@@MalakianM2S And look who showed up. The scene clearly was aimed at making Christians look bad because they're Christian. Because in Hollywood that is done for sport. The fine people who showed up in the comment section to bash Christians seem to give my comment validation. Again, this would NEVER be put toward muslims, not even what some people call radical muslims.
Almost a decade later and this clip still leaves me unfulfilled, for in some writer's laptop trash bin there's a rich backstory about that little sinful crab puff waiting to be unpacked and explored. A night of insomnia is surely imminent.
@Eric EH I notice you didn't answer any of Bartlett's questions. The Bible seems to want a lot of people to die for some pretty spurious reasons. Why is that?
@@Perfidion And not only that, the Leviticus and all the killing for hilarious reasons is too easy to point out, but one of the biggest abominations is in the commandments; punishing people for what they think is beyond reason.
I am a bit disappointed that he didn’t point out that Leviticus 18:22 was, in the original Hebrew text, most likely a condemnation of INCEST, not gayness. With that being said, it’s perfectly correct and fun to watch him dismantle her hypocritical cheerypicking.
This is why he's rated as the greatest tv presidents of all time. Even if you strip the politics out, anyone can appreciate the underlying case of this wonderful act of verbal violence.
@Eric EH Funny putting the words "hell" + "reality" next to each other. The days of using religion and the bible to scare, intimidate and terrorize people are coming to an end.
@Eric EH Nah, I don't love you, I find your zealotry and ignorance mildly amusing though. Maybe it's time for you to move on and stop spamming religious nonsense in posts that have nothing to do with religion.
@Eric EH What kind of God feeds you 2000 year old tales but gives you but a few decades or less in life to learn to avoid an eternal fate? None, friend. Heaven may exist, hell does not. It is a mechanism used to force you into believing in the supernatural to control your thoughts and actions.
@@mja91352 You may want to work on your reading comprehension. I didn't say it was the "best" of all time, I said it was "one of the best" of all time. Ask your mother to explain the difference.
This scene plus the one with the pro-lifer getting her defense shredded on Law and Order are brilliant examples of where people who are adamant they are right, get their entire being ripped apart using their own logic.
@@inkyfreddy3539 Wrong? As an opinion or bias, I don't think so. As a public policy, yes. The US is a secular nation and without objective certainty about the beginning of life, each individual should exercise that liberty in deciding the matter.
@@JimmyBoy9878 Exactly my point. How far up the chain of events do you go before you consider it a "baby"? There is so little agreement on this, it makes sense to leave it to the individual.
This scene is such a powerful argument for why we shouldn't let ourselves be ruled by prejudice, fear, hate, exclusion, or the "accounting book" approach of whether you are good enough or not. So often, it's used against women's rights, or against kids and teens having some freedom at home or in public, against LGBT folks, or a number of other things, sometimes even still for racial or religious prejudices. -- I grew up in a conservative religious family with way more restrictions, sheltering, and controlling than I knew about, until I was finally out on my own and began to see how other people lived. And yet I think my family and church life were pretty ordinary, not too unusual. I knew friends and relatives who came from far more strict and difficult homes, more like the lady zealot there. And one of those friends died at 38, with no mention of anyone significant in his life.If he was gay, his parents, and possibly he himself, would never have accepted him. I hadn't seen him since high school and one time running into him at the grocery store at college age. When I finally was truly out on my own, I began to see just how different my family / home life had been from most people's, and I began to see too how my parents had, with the best of intentions and thinking they were right, had restricted and controlled my life and relationships from my earliest memories until even at college age, especially when I tried to rebel any. It still affects me. I wish they could have known what they were doing and why it wasn't right. I wish I knew what happened to that friend. So this scene really gets to me. The thing is, my parents and I loved each other. They didn't mean to mishandle things and I don't think they even knew what they were doing was causing problems. I still love them and I miss them. (They passed away from health problems when I was in my early 30's. I was not prepared for it.) I know I missed out on a lot and I wish we could have talked and done better. I love that Pres. Bartlett lets go of some righteous anger and rebukes he woman's narrow-minded claims. She's part of that kind of religious group who let fear and hate and prejudice rule them, instead of acceptance and love. Their world is so small and self-limiting that they don't really live. I would much rather see people like Pres. Bartlett than the Dr. Jacobs character there.
That’s also a good argument for why we shouldn’t live TV shows drive public policy. In TV shows, everything always turns out the way the script writer wants them to
Columnists, pundits or journalists often dismiss Christians as inconsistent because “they pick and choose which of the rules in the Bible to obey.” The argument proceeds along these lines: “Christians ignore lots of Old Testament texts - about not eating raw meat or pork or shellfish, not executing people for breaking the Sabbath, not wearing garments woven with two kinds of material, and so on. Aren’t they just picking and choosing what they want to believe from the Bible?” The root of the issue is a perceived inconsistency regarding rules mentioned in the Old Testament that are no longer practiced in the New Testament by the people of God. Most Christians don’t know how to respond when confronted about this, but the best place to start is often by describing the relationship between the Old Testament and the New Testament. The Old Testament devotes a good amount of space to describing the various sacrifices that were to be offered in the tabernacle (and later the temple) to atone for sin so that worshipers could approach a holy God. That sacrificial system included a complex set of rules for ceremonial purity and cleanness - you could only approach God in worship if you ate certain foods, wore certain forms of clothing, refrained from touching certain objects, and so on. This code vividly conveyed, over and over, that human beings are spiritually unclean and cannot enter God’s presence without purification. But even in the Old Testament, many passages indicate that the sacrifices and regulations of temple worship point ahead to something beyond them. This “something” was Jesus. Throughout his ministry, Jesus ignored Old Testament regulations regarding purification; he touched lepers and dead bodies, and declared all foods “clean.” The culmination of Jesus’ ministry made clear his reason for doing this. When he died on the cross, the curtain in the temple tore in two, demonstrating that the entire sacrificial system and its ceremonial laws had been done away with. It is Jesus, the ultimate sacrifice for sin, not the laws of the Old Testament, that makes us clean now. Understanding Biblical Inconsistencies The book of Hebrews explains that the Old Testament ceremonial laws were not so much abolished as fulfilled by Christ. Whenever we pray in Jesus’ name, we “have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus” (Hebrews 10:19). As a result, if Christians continued to practice the ceremonial laws, their actions would be deeply inconsistent with the teaching of the Bible as a whole. The New Testament provides further guidance for reading and understanding the Old Testament. Paul makes clear that the apostles understood the Old Testament moral law to still be binding on us. In short, the coming of Christ changed how we worship, but not how we live. The moral law outlines God’s own character - his integrity, love and faithfulness. Old Testament commandments about loving our neighbor, caring for the poor, being generous with our possessions and being committed to family still apply. The New Testament continues to forbid killing and adultery, and the sexual ethic of the Old Testament is restated throughout the New Testament. If the New Testament reaffirms an Old Testament commandment, then it continues to have force for us today. Once you grant the main premise of the Bible - the surpassing significance of Christ and his salvation - then all of the Bible’s various parts make sense. Because of Christ, the ceremonial law of the Old Testament is repealed. However, if you reject the idea that Jesus is God’s Son and our Savior, then the Bible may contain some insight and wisdom - but most of it would be rejected as foolish or erroneous. Where Does this Leave Us? There are only two possibilities: If Christ is God, then this way of reading the Bible makes sense and is perfectly consistent with its main premise. If Christ isn’t God, then one does not adopt the central proclamation of Christianity, nor can the Bible serve as a guide for much of anything. But the one thing that cannot be said is that Christians are inconsistent to accept the moral statements of the Old Testament while not practicing its ceremonial laws. TLDR: Jesus died on the cross and fulfilled the old Testament laws. We don't follow them because that is not how we worship anymore. It is Jesus, the ultimate sacrifice for sin, not the laws of the Old Testament, that makes us clean now. The moron president should know that his questions are already answered.
I can't stand the person who wants to use selective parts from the Bible as a weapon to justify their hate. Good on ya, Mr Sheen...
especially when they say "it says so in the bible"
@@qghjuy You do realize this is a TV show, right?
@@Angel3243 dudes maaaaad lmao
@@qghjuy what would you have said you homophobic waste of matter?
@@Angel3243 i do...but too many people take what he says as absurd truth. it's pathetic.
Chastising her for not standing up seems like a pure power move to put her in her place. But that is not it. He exposed her hypocrisy first by pointing out that she arbitrarily chooses biblical laws that people should abide to. And then by showing that she herself has no respect for customs and traditions.
I didn't notice that, but I see it now.
You’re dead wrong. I’m a US Army military officer and widow of a vet. The President is our Commander-in-Chief. You STAND in his presence! Period!
@@nuschlerclark895 who is dead wrong?
@@ljink48 I'm wondering that as well. (Edit: Now that I've thought about it more, I have first-hand experience dealing with some military folk, especially officers. They think military rules apply to civilians, that's how brainwashed they become. Sad, really.)
Taking the crab puff.. thats the power move.
"Every day, more and more people are straying away from the Church and going back to God." Lenny Bruce
Which god?
@@liamereiam Fill in the blank
@@dunningkruger3774 they’re all made up anyway
@@bsegovia23 Those words kinda define civilization as a whole.
We buy things with either paper/plastic notes of money or use cards which make transactions based on 1s and 0s hat represent our bank account.
If a disaster wipes out the servers and backups, who is to say who has a billion dollars and who has 10 dollars?
@@bsegovia23 peace, ethics, justice, religion, currency, politics, language, communication... all ideas made up by human beings. Doesn’t make them less powerful, less able to affect change in the world.
Imagine having a president this competent and this smart! One can dream.
When you look at the vicious attacks politicians absorb, I just don't think anyone that competent could justify volunteering for something like this. Instead, you get the rand pauls of this world.... greedy, ignorant, nasty, self-absorbed.
Obama
@@sweetcarbine 😂
We do! And he’s kind too! He understands how to relate to people, doesn’t lie and feels emotions, in particular empathy.
How refreshing after the lying, traitorous grifting president that proceeded him from 2017-21. What a disgrace and total Loser that guy was and is.
So are we saying tRump was neither competent and smart...? Oh I think I've answered my own question.
This is still shockingly relevant in 2021, holy shit.
Zealotry never gets out of fashion sadly.
@Eric EH I knew you would come around, thanks for making my point.
@Eric EH We already been about that; never too late, choir boy.
@Eric EH You don't know that, it doesn't matter how many times do you repeat it. I hope you realize every time you post that nonsense you are reinforcing the OP.
It is, but not for the reasons you think.
That ending. “In this building when the president stand, nobody sits.” Super cold. Thank you, Aaron Sorkin.
Leadership. Remember when there was true leadership, seen and unseen?
I remember hearing a story about President Reagan and Speaker Tip O'Neill would sit down for a drink after 5pm when deals and compromise needed a little push in the right ( or left, lol!)
direction. Spending on social programs was a target of the administration and the GOP wanted cuts. Social Security was the biggest target for cuts along with welfare programs.
Apparently O'Neill pulled the Irish card while sharing a couple glasses of whiskey with the President and alluded to all the Irish grandparents that came to America and needed Social Security to put food on the table. I'm not sure if I have the minutiae exact but I going to find were this story came from. Could be from a book by Chris Matthews.
@@tmseh It’s a TV show
@@elymayer4860 Yes, I know. Great show.
@@tmseh yeah. So it’s not actually leadership. it’s just the way they wrote the script.
Even after all these years this scene still gives me chills
It makes my nipples hard!
It is a great scene.
I loved how Martin Sheen ruled the room, great acting ability
You don't understand TV or movies, Cleetus. There's a DIRECTOR, Cleetus.
@@byteme6346 There's a difference between being directed and doing what you are asked. And going above and beyond to make a scene look amazing. He did the latter here
@@byteme6346 I’ve seen lousy acting even with great directors Cleetus. Sheen always puts in a powerhouse performance!
@@byteme6346 qa
@BigDaddy M aka Big Daddy M aka B Daddy M And we've stepped from people saying he made terrible arguments against the Bible all the way to blatant sexism. What a time to be alive!
What I really love is that they start laughing when Bartlett talks about selling his daughter, but very quickly realise he's serious.
not about selling her, but about how effectively he was going to knock her down
But all of this was a politically correct strawman monologue that showed that Bartlett's character cared more about being PC than understanding the Scriptures.
@@nicholastrudeau7581 Nope, he hit the nail on the head... taking the "word of God" literally...
@@ChrissonatorOFL context matters. Choose the passage you want to cover.
@@nicholastrudeau7581 It's literally being read in context, literally. Trying to gloss over it by saying "well at this time, etc, etc." doesn't change what the damn thing says in black and white.
There's at least 2 dozen verses that talk about selling daughters, etc. Literally, Exodus 21:7 "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do."
Now, some might try to sugarcoat it and say they weren't slaves... but that doesn't get around the fact that it says "sell his daughter." You don't buy and sell people who work voluntarily.
reminding me that honor and integrity , intellect and humanity should still be a part of the American experience
Fair point. Sadly this is a scene when President Bartlet didn’t live up to that.
@@HuntedMansion Sadly you didn't get the point of this scene at all.
@Eric EH Irony: Christians trying to stablish a higher moral ground telling people who don't share their beliefs that deserve an eternity of suffering.
@Eric EH It's not a warning, it's an empty threat. And again saying that God has the perfect standard is ironic, to say the least.
@Eric EH You still can't prove God though.
Martin Sheen was a straight up gangster in this scene!
This and the first scene.
I m thy lord and you shall obey no other god before me.
However, he is preaching from the Old Testament. Christianity starts from the New Testament. This is a common misconception of the left.
Referring to Christianity from the old covenant(Jewish Law) as Christianity
@@patl4416 so that means Christians get to ignore the 10 commandments. No where ever in the NT does jesus say the OT doesnt matter anymore
chanelling Greg Stilson
@@marty4760 no-Jesus said he came to keep the old laws.
Martin Sheen has always been one of my favourite actors. Watching this reminds me why.
I’m agnostic but the scenes where Bartlet lays into religious extremists with his own faith are some of the most beautiful in the series.
@Eric EH I’m good, thanks
@Eric EH *Jesus is the only way
and nah, I’m good.
And rendered with beautiful conviction by Martin Sheen who is a person of faith.
@@valeriepagendarm6376 Martin sheen is such a tremendous actor. He constantly leaves me breathless
@Xander Fulton The reason you like scenes like the one in this video so much is because you hate God so much... and you enjoy seeing Him and His Word attacked and slandered by servants of Satan. When you see God under attack, it emboldens you... seeing others attacking God and His Word provides you false-confidence that He is not who He says He is... seeing others who are not ashamed of their sin encourages you to not feel ashamed of yours! You are greatly deceived and mistaken. God is not dependent upon you or anyone for anything. God is the same, yesterday today and forever! Your worldly tv shows do not affect God's being. No. God is God independent of whatever lies and slander Martin Sheen and other sinners say... There is nothing secret from the Lord. He knows every wicked thing that you have ever done in secret. He knows those things that if they were exposed to your friends and family and coworkers, you would be overflowing with deep shame and guilt... or at least embarrassment! You are warned! On that day, all will be revealed... all your secrets will be exposed for all to see... and if on that day, you are still filled with pride, God will banish you to experience torment and anguish and suffering in hell and the Lake of Fire for all eternity. A billion years is but a second compared to eternity! Facing your eternity, you will wish you had never been born. But you do not need to spend eternity with Satan and the wicked.... Jesus is gracious! He is willing to forgive you all your sins... but He will not forgive sin that is not first forsaken. Fear God, repent and live!
That little eye twitch after he says "...NOBODY sits" is acting gold.
It was like challenge me bitch
This was such a great show many great actors and Martin is perfectly cast. And Allison Janney turned out to be one of my fave actors after her wonderful role.
So, when did congress pass a law requiring you to stand for your public servant? When did the president stop being a public servant and become a monarch, who must be shown deference.
Are you really defending someone whose ego is so large, he can't abide by a woman kerping her seat while he talked. Oh the horror!!!
Why is the president disrespecting someone he supposedly serves for having the wrong opinion or not showing him enough respect celebrated? Isnt Bartlett just pulling a cartman... "You will Respect my Authori-tay-"
@@falseprophet1024 you people dont seem to understand basic respect you conservatives are the biggest snow flakes
@@MatthewJones-jg4eu
Should i be expected to respect my public servant or should he be expected to respect me?
I also find it funny that according to you people, not standing for a public servant is disprespect, but a president reprimanding a citizen for their constitutionally protected beliefs is to be cheered on..
Im also not a conservative, but nice try..
She got as much respect as she showed.
She got more in my opinion.
@Leo Peridot Yes, this scene is "inspired" by a mail sent to Dr. Laura Schlessinger. Basically the whole monologue paraphrases the mail.
Now it's the other side that's a bunch of wackadoo's
@@xplayfan21 Nope.
@@xplayfan21 Nah
And that , Ladies & Gentlemen, is why this was and always will be one of the greatest shows ever!
I am
Because he's being an asshat? Asshat in Chief.
I miss it greatly! 💜✝
I DISAGREE. THE SHOW IS WRONG because slavery in the ancient world was vastly different from slavery of the 19th century. ****DID YOU ACTUALLY BELEIEVE YOU JUST BESTED GOD AND THE BIBLE?******
LMAO
@@safetcucaj385 Ah god, your imaginary friend who lives in the sky. Can't best what doesn't exist! ***AND USING CAPITALS IS RUDE!*****
She didn't know her Bible. They're not too fond of teaching the naughty bits in Sunday school.
Oh, she knew what he was referring to in his examples, she, like many "christians," simply ignore what they don't agree with.
and i never know why!
those naughty bits are sometimes the most interesting parts!!
and they can bring up so many conversations!
I understand if there are people who feel uncomfortable talking about religion, but I really do enjoy it because there are so many religions and beliefs that talking about them is one of the most awesome things ever! Unless if you talk with someone who believes that there is only one ‘correct’ religion and everyone else is condemned. In which case, you should run the other way.
@@lastgirl7071 Yes...run to anybody who tickles your little ears... I find it very interesting how all of you people who base every bit of "truth" on perspective...How you ever manage to find solid ground is amazing. Nothing less than the grace of God. If everything is relative, When do you find absolutes? Maybe you should just stay in your little echo chambers, you aren't as smart as you think you are. Wisdom and knowledge are two different things, and quick wit does not equate to anything but a mouth that never stops. You will be faced with this one day, perhaps sooner than you ever imagined. You should get down off your high horse... Most "christians" in this age are as you describe and expect... Religion is a trap. The veil is about to be rent asunder.
@@jeffmorin5867
honey, you ever heard of ‘short and sweet’ ?
also, i’m not sure but it sounds like you’re accusing me of something or just patronizing me
either check your tone, or explain your contempt
Oh yes, he really "showed" her, lol.
All Scripture is God breathed and good for teaching and instruction (paraphrase). Of course this lip made it seem as though all believers who believe that the Bible calls the act of homosexual sex a sin as someone who is cherry picking, but maybe Bartlett is the one who is cherry picking?
If she showed the respect due to his office and stood when he entered, all of that could have been avoided.
If you're in a room and everyone else stands up, it's usually a good idea to stand up, too.
She didn't intend any disrespect, she just didn't know the protocol. In general a lady need not stand when a gentleman enters the room. She just didn't know that in Bartlet's august presence the normal rules of etiquette are varied. Bartlet comes off as rude and full of himself.
@@keithsmith4780 her character was being insubordinate. Simple.
Bartlet's not just any guy from off the street lol, he's the president. The rules of etiquette dictate that when the president enters the room, all who can stand do stand, especially when they are in the white house. I don't think Bartlet came off as full of himself, I think he was appropriately angry and hostile at someone who he thought was misleading the public (with her calling herself a doctor but practising in a context outside her expertise), and more importantly, someone who was spreading a hateful and dangerous narrative without appropriate context
@@keithsmith4780 That's either a pretty ignorant assessment or you are being intentionally dense. Who doesn't' know to stand up when the President of the US enters the room? Or just do what everyone else in the room just did? How about anytime it is anyone where the protocol is to announce that persons arrival no matter who they are? Even the most moronic and inconsequential state governor would have gotten a stand up from everyone present, but you’re visiting the White House and you don’t even know to stand when the President is announced? Come on now…… really?
A great series that gave us pause to think about what is wrong in our nation. This scene is brilliantly written, directed and acted.😢
This is the absolute BEST cut, because it includes Sam stealing her crab puff. Sorkin, you are a GOD !
This scene never gets tiresome...the hypocrisy in so many religions has never changed and unfortunately have far too many that follow blindly ..religion and politics should never merge and yet we see the evangelical all to often poke their nose into federal politics which is a dangerous thing.
Many ideologies thrive on that, to sway those looking for easy answers to complex questions, with strict, limited interpretations. And because so many feel that thinking for themselves is too hard for them to do, those ideologues find easy prey.
@@davegreenlaw5654 "The Bible is not meant to foster a belief in Christianity but merely to support those who cannot take responsibility for their own lives"
Bartlet's first scene is a great demo of this.
a common link between the religious and non is the hypocrisy
I wonder how many innocent children Bartlet killed with authorized air strikes in countries congress had not declared war with, for those 8 years he was valiantly defending the sanctity of homosexuality.
Aaron Sorkin is a delusional zealot full of hate for anything doesn't think like him.
"In this building, when the President stands, NOBODY sits". Ah, for a President like Bartlett.
and for a press secretary like CJ/Allison Janney! just a few more weeks?
@@jonathanfraser321 lol weak ass Democrats
@@kirkgouker6988 Unlike Trump’s Presidential TV show this one lasted more than one term.
Brian, see you guys don’t know what’s real and what’s fiction. Your best president wasn’t even a real president.😂
@@kirkgouker6988 You’re a hypocrite and I disagree. There have been plenty of great Presidents both Democrat and Republican.
"Oh, for a voice like thunder, and a tongue to drown the sounds of war!"
William Blake
The problem with liberal writers like Sorkin is that they imagine situations where extremists actually experience shame
Anyone can do that... well not republicans, it's hard for them to imagine anything not drawn in crayon.
@@Hellwyck I'm curious as to why you insult me. I'm conservative/republican, and have a different point of view. It's ok to disagree you know
Too bad that evaluation you've done about "liberal writers" can't be turned to your own shame issues as an "extremist"! Or is it you know no shame?
@@TheKieran1234 no one is talking to you directly. It’s simple assessment if the statement doesn’t apply you need not reply.
@@pharohnintey I get that, I just think making vast generalisations about groups of people you disagree with is petty
What I love is that when Bartlet starts talking to Doctor Jacobs, CJ seems to realise whats going on and looks over to Toby and Sam as if to say "this is gonna be good"
He be like: "Damn, should've made popcorn"
I love CJ. Such a powerful, smart woman.
This was on my recommendations. And I’m glad it was. I never watched an episode of this but I can see why sheen won all those emmys for his performances on this show
It’s one of the best written shows with fast paced, intelligent and witty dialogue. The only other show as fast and smart is Newsroom on HBO. Both are a must watch.
@Eric EH Woah. How did you jump to that assumption by my comment? You are wrong. Why scroll through everyone’s comments and then judge them? If you really want to preach, kindness might work better.
@Eric EH Ok I see words that are normal, kind, tolerant, sane or rational are not in your vocabulary. Like I said, if you really want to preach, you should really work on your delivery. And maybe make your own CZcams video instead of worrying what everyone else is posting.
@@mayena1896 Just check the comment section, the guy is just spamming non sense like it's his job.
@@MalakianM2SOoohhh one of those! Thanks for the headsup.
I absolutely loved this scene..forget the president, I wish more human beings were like this lmao..not only knows how to speak..but knows exactly what to say to freaking blow your tiny,shallow mind..
@@patmeon4093 What about all the christian leaders in the churches halls etc, who kills them?
I like how the rumble of thunder pre-sages the ass-kicking delivered by the President.
I noticed that too.
Such excellent writers. The confrontation intermingling with the thunder. This show was the best of the best.
I absolutely adore this scene. I grew up in Pentecostal churches with these self righteous holier than thou types just like this woman. Once I left, I realizied that these people are zealots that scare people away from Jesus. Jesus is kind, loving, and accepting.
Of course he is, but his sky daddy is not...wait, he is his sky daddy...or do Pentecostals not believe that part? With 20k denominations in the U.S. it gets so confusing which parts of the Bible are to be taken literally or not.
If only there was a central authority to turn to who could clear this up.
Wait, there is one, but he belongs to the wrong denomination for you to recognize that authority...
This god fellow of yours sure likes chaos eh?
Imagine having the president reprimand you at an event you were invited to because you have the wrong beliefs, and all to impress some staffer..
Then tell me you would still adore it..
You never really read the NT.. He wasn't so kind or loving. He demanded exclusivity that he did not allow one disciple to properly bury his father (which is mandated in the same Torah this jesus was said to fulfill) , he talked down to his mother ('woman, what do I have to do with YOU), he refused to help a desperate mother twice (and his disciples three times) and essentially called her a dog. He reduced his disciples to stealing and eating raw grain on the Shabbat because he refused to make any preparation for them-- yet claimed he was righteous and observant..then deflected the concerns into a libel-fest wherein he couldn't even get the facts of the bible right. He demanded that anyone who objected to him be brought before him and killed. He instituted the sin of thought crimes (wherein if you think it it's as good as doing it, which is totally asinine!! ACTIONS are what count). He lied about the Torah and lied about the Jews-- in fact, opened the floodgates of anti-Semitism, hatred and and violence against Jews. He purposely dissed his own family and his own mother. He was a vile, spiteful, arrogant and evil person.. only second to Paul who was even worse. Of course, we have NOTHING of jesus.. he never wrote anything. But there wasn't a crime in humanity that wasn't absolved by Holy Writ.
@Eric EH I suggest you lay off the mushrooms. have a nice day.
@Eric EH We already stablished that, God is holey.
got her while she was eating shellfish...brutal
Well, given she wouldn't stand when the President entered, I'd say she was being very shellfish
Now that I've seen the scene a lot lately, is not that a crab brooch in her lapel?
@Eric EH So in the comments on a video clearly and correctly pointing out the bloodthirsty Bronze Age barbarism of the Bible, you choose to proclaim your support of said book, instead of hanging your head in shame.....
Interesting..
@Eric EH
"what exactly do you believe?"
Well, from context I assume you mean in regards to the existence of god(s).
I do not believe in god(s).
"I know God is real"
No, you do not. You _believe_ God (I assume you mean Yahweh - the Christian god, out of the thousands that has been said to exist throughout human history) is real.
There is quite a big difference between knowing something and believing something.
Beliefs are dime-a-dozen. Knowledge is a sub-set of belief, often described as justified true belief (and by true, I mean in accordance with reality).
"I know the bible is true"
No, you do not. See above.
"I suggest you believe"
Thank you. I'll take your suggestion under consideration.
"but only God can reveal this stuff to you"
OK.
@Eric EH
"I know it's true"
No, you do not. You _believe_ it is true, and I accept and acknowledge that it is a sincere and heartfelt belief.
You really should learn the difference between knowing and believing, and how beliefs doesn't "become knowledge" just because you believe a whole lot.
As an aside, you really shouldn't present "arguments", that you yourself don't find convincing.
I am confident in guessing, that you don't find a similar "argument" persuasive, if a member of another religion says; "I know the Bhagavad Gita is true", for example.
"hell is real"
Yes, that belief is indeed part of most Christian orthodoxy. It doesn't tell you if it is actually real or not.
"Most people go to hell"
Yet another fundamental part of Christian orthodoxy - with the exact same issues.
"Jesus died for sins"
Same issue as above.
Having entertained your little distraction, I'll bring us back to the original point; that of you supporting the bloodthirsty Bronze Age barbarism presented in the Bible.
You see, it doesn't matter if it is real or not.
Whether it is fiction or fact - it is still heinous inhuman practices, that civilised modern society has roundly rejected.
The very fundamental pillars of Christianity are rejected as profound nonsense.
I would like for any American president in my lifetime to make me feel about America the way Bartlett does.
Hollywood! you realize you are watching fiction.
Were you in a coma for the entire 8 years of Barak Obama then?
@@harryparker9452 I'm pretty sure she knows that, doofus.
Maybe by the time you are dry behind the ears ...
Obama did it for me. Go look at the video of him responding to an audience member about his ideas for gun control. He responded off the cuff and very clearly and logically responds in an incredible way. Nothing extremist in his response, just an adult with common sense ideas and very well put together.
'...and there are plenty of election results left to falsify.'
Try making that joke today, I dare you.
You can get on a megaphone and shout it down Main Street, and nobody will tar-and-feather you...as long as you're a Democrat. If you're anything else, you're screwed.
Trump made that statement throughout his presidency
@Bay Nope. Anyone can say it... as the joke that it is. The problem nowadays is that too many people think that it's not a joke. They believe that it is true, with no evidence to support it, simply because their dear leader says so. They have believed him, with no reliable and admit-able proof that supports his assertion, to the point where they attacked our Capitol in an effort to stop the certification of the actual winner, Biden, on Jan. 6th.
This unlawful storming against a Constitutionally Mandated process was the most un-American act I have ever witnessed and a stain on our nation's honor that will remain for a long, long time.
So, take a megaphone and shout it down Main Street...just make sure that everyone knows that you are kidding and you will be safe.
But, if you say it as a false statement of fact....with no proof to back it up other then the word of your favorite politician...Woe unto you...because most actual American patriots are still f-ing pissed off about that anti-American assault on our Constitution based simply on the words of a Liar.
BTW, I'm not a dem. I'm like most American voters, an Independent.
Semper Fi
...and The crab puff bit is a nod to the Leviticus Shellfish "warning"?
Being non-religious, I didn't even know that was a thing! Adds another layer to her hypocrisy lol
What...what happens in the bible with the shellfish?
@@rachelmiller9280 ""Of all the creatures living in the water of the seas and the streams, you may eat any that have fins and scales. But all creatures in the seas or streams that do not have fins and scales--whether among all the swarming things or among all the other living creatures in the water--you are to detest."
@@MalakianM2S Thank you, as you can tell I don't read the bible. I don't know where to put all this nonsense but I do believe there is a GOD or something. All these eating fish or not eating something else and beating your bother or mother, then there's a pig.
@@rachelmiller9280 I really recommend to read the Bible, the Quran and the Torah, they are very relevant texts culturally speaking.
A room full of neutral colors and the target bright lime green. Im sure it’s a coincidence 😬
She wanted to stand out, she knew she would. It's typical for people of her character to try and be different so they would be noticed and feel special.
@@cryptidian3530 or the director decide that's what she should wear...
Yeah.. well, this Dr. Laura knock off is wearing a color that is revolting and putrid and vomit-inducing.
@@creativewriter3887 It reflects her personality, like Marjorie Taylor Greene.
@@sblack48 Um... yeah. Its a TV show.
This is the greatest “know your role”‘ I have ever witnessed.
Aaron Sorkin deserves way more praise than has ever been bestowed. Superb writer.
One of my favorite and most memorable scenes from this series.
Life is not without a sense of humor. Instead of West Wing we got the apprentice 🙄
utterly contrived bullshit, like that entire shit series
@@zedfan4598 I didn’t watch the apprentice but, I would agree with your sentiment based on the source material 😏
@@clarkk1203 Heh
Good to see you here Charles, have you happen to see Mr. Schneider's recent video about respect?
@@MikeFelix1805 just watched it. 🙄
publicly being ripped a new one, thats gotta hurt
By the US President, no less.
@z zz Lmao
Especially if you're in the "ignorant tight-ass club"
Are you kidding? In a show not written by a screenwriter prone to what President Obama called "liberal fantasy" Bartlett just gave the talk radio hosts he denigrates a solid gold gift. His arrogance and god complex are now proven beyond a doubt, as far as the Rush Limbaughs, the Mark Levins, the Bob Grants, Glenn Becks, Tucker Carlsons and Ben Shapiros of the world are concerned.
If this is being recorded, a dumpy (hey, on this show, did Presidential trivia expert Bartlett ever bring up the fact that Martin Sheen's height makes him the 2nd shortest President in US history?) aging man demanding a pretty woman stand in his presence appears in commercials for EVERY Republican candidate, with a voiceover saying "President Bartlett's ego is out of control. We need people like Candidate X to stand up to him before it's too late!" Especially if they are women "President Bartlett talks a lot about his pro-woman agenda, but here we see what he really thinks of a woman who speaks her mind, who stands up for her faith and family values!"
@@Gunleaver What she is doing here (in her seething hatred of the man) is the same thing that Colin Kapernick did kneeling for National Anthem. I don't think Kapernick was right, but its the exact same concept. No I will not stand for you. I am going to disrespect you. You can hate me for it, you can shame me for it, but I am entitled to do it because I can't stand you.
You'll note, she never interrupted him. She sat there and allowed herself to be humiliated. I don't think that was realistic. Someone in her position, if she is going to sit like that, after being shamed she would likely leave. That is the only reason why she would stand, to walk out the door and not even look at him while she did it.
That scene was absolute perfection. Writing and delivery could not have been improved. It made the point extremely well.
Great !!!!!!
Every once in a while this shows up on my "algorithm" and I watch it every time... AND i LOVE it every time. Republican, Democrat, or Bull Moose party, it makes no difference. The office, not the man, should always be respected and (dare I say it) revered. The office holder is still human, but fighting for the rights and well-being of the people should always be that person's first and last thought.
Sorry but the man matters. Trump was the President. He is also an evil imbecile. That man will never get an iota of my respect.
You must have been asleep since 2016 or so. I've got some unfortunate, Cheeto-related news about the revered integrity of the office...
@@TheJBSChannel oh, deary, deary me... I tried to talk about the office, but your wittle snowflake tears just streamed down your face, and you just HAD to make it about "Orange Man Bad", dincha? Well, let's have this conversation later after Creepy Joe gets unemployment back to the record lows experienced in the time since oh... say, 2016?, or maybe gets America oil independent, or... maybe makes it through four years without starting a war, or oh, wait.. how about this one... closes the border and pushes the supposedly surging COVID rates along the border down? Hmm.... care to comment on any of those things. The person who is in that office might be a mean, nasty, SOB, but, I suppose you liked watching Obama lick the boots of foreign mulahs. Oh, and let's not forget the $150Billion in CASH he had flown to IRAN in the middle of the night. So, no, Fox, I've not been asleep. BUt like nearly 80 million other Americans, I've been watching closely, carefully, taking notes, and waiting for the flare to go up so America can truly be the great bastion of freedom she once was!
@@jasonstarr6419 holy shit? Do you actually believe all that drivel? Trump could have saved the dolphins who fucking cares? The man has destroyed American democracy. Who believes a nation where nearly half its citizens don’t accept the efficacy of elections? I would also point out your “respect the office “ has disappeared.
@@jennybeard6341 I never even implied that anyone should respect him or any other President. It's all about the position. In the military, there's a saying, "Respect the uniform". And, we should all be careful of throwing around slurs. It's a slippery slope away from providing factual information. Of course, if our only source of information comes from media outlets that are wholly owned by just six megacorporations, what incentive do they have to give us the unvarnished truth? It only serves them to have us believing as they wish and living as they wish.
A Phd in Literature and she gives advice to people on TV.....on what? What types of books they should read? What authors are the best for different situations?
This segment was a dig at Dr. Laura, who had a PhD in physiology.
Do you feel the same way about Bill Nye the “science” guy?
@@sueprice3315 Dr. Laura has a bit more than that: BS in biological sciences from the State University of New York at Stonybrook, two master's degrees and a doctorate in physiology from Columbia University, and a post-doctoral certificate in counseling from the University of Southern California. She is also a licensed marriage, family, and child counselor, and has practiced for since. Schlessinger has served on the faculties at the University of Southern California and Pepperdine University, and has also taught at UCLA and the University of California at Irvine.
This scene is pretty ironic now considering the current debate on whether or not it's appropriate for Jill Biden to call herself Doctor Jill Biden considering she also has a Doctorate in English
@@sce2aux464 Still, as I said, the scene clearly was a dig at Dr. Laura. The president asks Dr. Jacobs if her PhD was in psychology, theology, social work, and she admits, no, not any of those. It is in an area unrelated to the topics she discusses on her show.
I've never watched a complete episode of this show. Now, I want the series on Blu- Ray.
It's a great series!
According to my Google Home Mini, all 105 episodes of The West Wing are also available on the HBO Max streaming service.
(gulp) I hope I'm not overstepping but I dare venture to say you would enjoy the Admiral & Chief of Staff "Young black man" "Old black man" discussion (I certainly did).
Has to be one of the GREATEST, well written, fantasticly acted shows I've ever seen!!
Watch it.
It is still relevant
You wont be disappointed
I love the sound of the cameras taking pictures. The evening newscasts and morning papers probably had a field day with this
Thank you Aaron Sorkin for a brilliant script!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
West Wing! Breaking Bad is no slouch! I have not seen The Wire. RIP Michael who played Omar. Name your favorite brilliant writers!! BTW: Netflix is NOW filming Rendezvous With Rama!!!Netflix had enough money!!!
That's exactly how i feel when these so-called christens and sunday ministers talk about how Godly they are, hypocrites.
@Nick Roberts So is the God of Abraham...stupid.
How badass was this??? I love her facial expression when he said that about nobody sits when the president is standing.
Oh yeah so badass bro, cringe guy defends gay people by not knowing the difference between moral and ceremonial laws soo cool.
@@braydonkelley6767 Tis all garbage
Fascinating how serious theological discussions have evolved from this clip. Pretty cool as long as everyone keeps it civil.
This really resonates with me: I sometimes argue with my Mom when she says that I shouldn't work on a Sunday and I would respond that I'm just putting some clothes in the washing machine , it's not like I'm washing them by hand in the river....
The best thing ever is when Sam took the crab puff.
Imo it ruins the scene
@@craigburns7907 - actually, it does tie right in, as crabs are prohibited in the books of the Law; hence, it was a visual proof of her 'picking and choosing'
..especially since the good doctor has a crab pin on her coat. love the details!
@@craigburns7907 It's been a while since I've seen it in it's entirety, but I think it's a reference to something that happens earlier in the scene, coming full circle.
"The best thing ever is when Sam took the crab puff."
Worst thing. Sam was very petty, very rude.
*I would VOTE for THAT MAN !!!*
damn shame theres not politicians like that so often irl
The radio Dr’s giddy dream of creating a juicy anecdote of how she _”didn’t give Bartlett the satisfaction of standing”_ , necessitated disrespecting the office of the President .... *Her dream dashed asunder* . lol
I love the moment he says “It’s good to have you here.” Or something like that, it just makes the take down so sweet.
Never seen a second of this show prior to watching this clip. I’m now a big fan.
same lol, now I wanna watch it
@@curranfrank2854 it's available on either Peacock, Netflix or Amazon prime.
It’s a good show. Emmy winning.
@@gkvogt Cool thanks!
Best TV show ever. Brilliant writing and acting. Get a copy of it and watch all 7 seasons.
I've just discovered this series last night when browsing through youtube. Wouldn't it be good to have a real President like that! It's a shame that such a fine country has so many bigots and racist.
watch the whole series and then you will immediately want to watch it again and pick up so much more!
Calling Christians bigots and racist is the result of loving the world more that loving God. That’s narrow minded and selfish thinking. We are a broken society and you rather have that instead the love of God who can break the slavery of sin. Interesting.
Not even Satan has enough hellfire for a burn THAT size.
Imagine back in the day when the religious right was not the gigantic monster it is influencing/blackmailing almost 100% of our leaders in Government. This scene would never be in a movie today because its so unbelievable. Noone under 50 ever experienced the America I grew up during the 1970s.
Are you for real. If religious people had power like that abortion would be illegal
Church attendance wouldn't be so low and LGBT marriage wouldn't be legal
U r right. I see another poster remarks on the strides made but everything attained needs to be protected. These religious frauds r awful. Tax churches
@@corymenedez2369 I assume you don't consider those things bad?
Italy whose Capital City is Rome and in that city is the Vatican.
Italy is a Democracy it maybe 80% Catholic but it does have a Thriving multicultural Society where there is Abortion Divorce Same Sex Marriages and LGBTQ.
Plus it has that abomination of American influence the Cosa nostra mafia.
Excluding the Mafia The Republic of Ireland has all that Italy has.
But then a true Democracy doesn't have to Brow beat it's own Citizenry to what Deity to believe in.
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Oh my God! No matter how many times I watch this clip, I get chills every time.
@Eric EH Fuck you, asshole
@Eric EH I will see you in Hell. Have a nice life :-)
@@SophiesDriver Oh no!!!! I signed up for hell on the basis it'd be better than spending eternity listening to him. Now you tell me we'll see him there!!!! I'm doomed!!!!
This makes sense for people who have no clue about their religion. Sad but true
@Eric EH The same thing it's said about almost every single deity.
@Eric EH Sure, moron.
@Eric EH Not really.
Well my religion says Zeus is the only way
Eric EH why don’t you believe in Zeus?
As a theology student… THIS IS GREAT!!
This has to be my favourite clip on CZcams, and I'm an Englishman!
The best speech by a colonial ever!
As a fellow Englishman may I suggest you watch one or more clips from the Newsroom especially by Will McAvoy and Charlie. Also written by Sorkin, they are brilliant and still relevant. Regards Jim.
@@jlmfoy365 Thanks Jim, I will take a look. All the best Ky
I love how he points out the utter ridiculousness of using the "Ancient Book of Fairy Tales" to claim moral righteousness. If you have to cherry pick only the bits that suit you, it is worthless.
Indeed and how dare people, of any faith, claim a moral superiority simply because they have a book which they claim reveals the truth (...about them).
@Eric EH Evening Eric - hope you're keeping well!
@@AGMundy I think the only moral superiority being shown right now isn’t coming from traditional religious zealots.
@Eric EH What arrogance. You can assert your faith or belief and encourage others in that belief ( and by the way what does the assertion "Jesus is true" actually mean in this context ?) but that does not give you the right to force others to do the same. Your exhortation just repels others and displays none of the humility which seems to be one of Jesus' traits.
@Eric EH Yes sheer arrogance and you have just repeated it. You may believe it but it is arrogant to think you have a monopoly on truth or to baldly state "Jesus is true". Show some intelligence and humility. And by the way where does hell appear in the New Testament ?
I always thought Martin Sheen was a superb actor, Now I am cetain of it. That cold look he gives her ... I shivered!
I cease to be amazed Mr. Sheen has not won an Emmy for his performance.
I was raised as a strict, fat, white, wealthy Neoconservative Lutheran. I've read the Bible and the Catechism cover to cover more times than I can count. I was forced to memorize and recite the Bible upon command until I was 16. I am now an atheist... or, at the very least, an agnostic. I believe men created the gods. However, you'd be quite surprised how often in my 45 years I have had to defend Christianity to judgmental, hypocritical, God-fearing arseholes who have no idea what their own religion dictates. This scene right here sums up everything I feel about mankind...
This should be played in every school, every year, every grade.
Correct, of what exactly NOT to do if your president. What he did is basically attack an American for their religion with the media in clear view. Doesn't matter if its backwards. He's an elected official meant to represent ALL Americans, and if the media was half as vicious toward Democratic presidents as they are Republican ones, his ass would have been chewed up and shat out and deceivingly so for this behaviour.
Kind of like Dr. Jill Biden? She's not an m.d. but liberals treat her like she is. You do have a point though titles are worthless. So the left needs to stop their uneducated hypocrisy
@@AgentExeider Except that he didn't attack her for being a christian. You didn't get the point of this scene.
@@AgentExeider There is a difference between being religious and being a Bible-thumper.
Joe Biden is a religious person. People like those from Westboro are Bible-thumpers
I can just see Sister Mary Evangelis showing this to a stunned senior class!
this STILL makes me happy, and i use very similar whenever people try to weaponize the Bible around me. treat it as a guide for love, because it's a VERY flimsy weapon of hate against someone with the first idea what it says
I'm a believer, have been for years, and it's always been my opinion people should be able to tell from my actions, NOT because I broadcast how "righteous" I am.
@@asanokatana sure buddy
@@joeblack333 There should be more Christians like you. If you can be anything, just be kind.
Amen i grew up in a God fearing and loving home and i knew what the God lord to say and do. When my grandparents the people i looked up to the most told me that they were racist i lost respect for them. I show nothing but love towards people and humanity. My job as a Christian is not to talk down to you and beat you down to follow God. My job is to just teach and show you all the wonderful things he has done and continue to do each and everyday. My job is just to plant the seeds of faith and spread the word just like a farmer spreads his crops. Its up to you and you only to decide if you want to follow Jesus. Not my job to make you follow its my job to show what he has done and help you along the way.
@@asanokatana common sense are most likely inversely proportional to your mental capacity
I know this is just a TV show , but why ohhhh why can’t we get a President with this kind of compassion, integrity, honor and grace. I’m 66. I wonder if we can get a government Of The People, By The People and For The People as our forefathers intended before I pass on?
I love & miss this show so very much. This was an extraordinary & truly classic scene on every possible level!!! Sam: "I'm just just gonna take that crab puff" 🤣🤣🤣
The way Sheen changes his facial expression at 3:14 to make his point is simply masterful.
The Alec Guinness school of acting technique...
You meant "masterly," but your point is well taken.
@@mja91352 Actually it's "masterfully" so the original poster is correct.
3:14 he goes from "I am the president" to "I AM THE PRESIDENT."
There was no point. Well, no relevant point anyway. In Christianity the sacrifice Jesus made fulfilled all obligations of and purposes for ceremonial law, there is no longer any reason to live under that law and avoid shellfish, etc, etc. In contrast moral law never changes, even if the Bible teaches us that how that applies in the life of a believer is different post crucifixion, resurrection, and ascension. This has been commonly understood Christian theology for literally 2,000 years. All the screenwriters and director managed here was to prove that they know absolutely nothing about Christianity. This is an echo chamber of ignorance; nothing more and nothing less.
Dear doctor, how are you going to preach on something you didn't even have a doctorate or any degree on? She forgot to show the respect of the office he held. All she had to do was stand. Pride cometh before a fall.
@@lewiscoacher7781 The woman in the video that you're insisting has no basis in reality is actually directly based on dr. laura schlessinger, a real radio show host who does imply to have expertise she doesn't actually have, while decrying gay people and using Leviticus as her justification.
@@inajar7947 Some people seem confused, I hope this help; a link to the letter you mentioned:
www.stpaulsepiscopalbakersfield.org/uploads/6/6/9/0/6690860/a_letter_to_dr_laura.pdf
The Silence of everyone else during this scene and their body language spoke volumes., this was a man worthy of respect and you did not cross him., unless you were ready to go to war with him and you had all of your weapons lined up knew how to use them. This is a perfect example of using religion to hide bigotry of any type and he took her apart one brick at a time
@@MalakianM2S Just read it. Thanks for the link. Well worth bringing to a wider audience and very well acted by the whole cast.
@@howardramsey7243 The fact that there is such a letter and the circumstances about it bring a lot of context.
I think this is one of the shows I will introduce to my kid when she grows old enough to watch grown up TV.
This pretty much describes the average christian...convinced they have all the answers and the moral high ground, when the vast majority don't even know what's in their own holy book, because they've never actually read it.
And we forgot that His yoke is easy and His burden is light.
It is a constant source of amazement to me how people can apply the most rigorous logic in the day to day execution of their jobs and domestic life but come Friday in the mosque, Saturday in the synagogue or Sunday in the church they listen to and believe in the most irrational ridiculous nonsense.
@Eric EH I'll go with hell, all the interesting people will be there
@@pieisdeath30 Now that was damn funny! Good one
@Eric EH My intention here is only to help inform and not to fan any flames. Just wanted to add to this thread that the Bible has overwhelming evidence AGAINST the existence of a realm of eternal suffering. If you believe the Bible to be the truth, then for you it flat out proves there is no Hell. One of the simplest evidences comes from John 3:16.
"Whoever believes in Him will not PERISH, but have eternal LIFE."
Either you cease to exist or you live forever in peace and joy. There is no option for being tortured forever.
What kind of God of love would even allow that? When you get to know God's character of love, you come to an understanding that the idea of a Hell is absurd.
@Eric EH The Bible says that the lake of fire “means the second death.” (Revelation 20:14; 21:8)
If you're going to argue for the existence of a place of eternal suffering, you're going to need more than an elementary knowledge of the Bible to make your case. Ironically, the more you learn the Bible, the more you'd realize it does not support your views of Hell at all.
@Eric EH Your arguments are so incredibly weak. How old are you? You haven't backed up anything you've said. For anyone who reads any comments you've made here, you've given them absolutely every reason to believe you have no idea what you're talking about. You remind me of the social justice movement. Just scream at the truth until you get your way! lol
Love the end, when the guy takes one of her Crab Cakes off the plate. It's called, Cherry picking the bible, or hypocrisy.
And I can just HEAR all the Buy Bull Bangers foaming at the mouth and screaming: "But...But...But... those are ALL different..."
Never seen the show but have seen this clip many times. Powerful and insightful especially in today's environment.
She makes herself the target whether it’s deliberate or not deliberate and gets served the way she should.
Rubbish.
@@j-mshistorycorner6932 Nah, you "get it" where you give it.
If the character were protrayed as a muslim, not a word would have been said. It would be most uncomfortable to point out that their koran says the same things on all those matters.
@@johnmagill9496 You realize the show did criticize Saudi Arabia, and islamic fanaticism in the episode called Women of Qmar, right? This scene has nothing to do with the woman's faith, witch btw is not mentioned once, and the real person that inspired the scene is a conservative jew. Tldr; your troll kungfu is pretty weak.
@@MalakianM2S And look who showed up. The scene clearly was aimed at making Christians look bad because they're Christian. Because in Hollywood that is done for sport. The fine people who showed up in the comment section to bash Christians seem to give my comment validation.
Again, this would NEVER be put toward muslims, not even what some people call radical muslims.
That was, literally, the best crab puff he's ever stolen.
She should've said. "I beg to differ, Mr. President- I don't work for you. You work for me."
There are times when you come into the realm of an incredible intellect. Aaron Sorkin can remind you that you are not as smart as you think you are.
If you read enough comment sections of Aaron Sorkin related videos you really realize how many ppl is upset about that.
Deuterocanonicist 5:13 " And thou shalt have no crab puff whence insults are lashed at thy leaders gathering."
Almost a decade later and this clip still leaves me unfulfilled, for in some writer's laptop trash bin there's a rich backstory about that little sinful crab puff waiting to be unpacked and explored. A night of insomnia is surely imminent.
@Eric EH lol yeah right
@Eric EH While we're all off repenting, maybe you could answer some of the questions Bartlett asked the nice church lady.
@Eric EH I notice you didn't answer any of Bartlett's questions. The Bible seems to want a lot of people to die for some pretty spurious reasons. Why is that?
@@Perfidion And not only that, the Leviticus and all the killing for hilarious reasons is too easy to point out, but one of the biggest abominations is in the commandments; punishing people for what they think is beyond reason.
More like a Magic Dragon ..
I am a bit disappointed that he didn’t point out that Leviticus 18:22 was, in the original Hebrew text, most likely a condemnation of INCEST, not gayness. With that being said, it’s perfectly correct and fun to watch him dismantle her hypocritical cheerypicking.
This is why he's rated as the greatest tv presidents of all time. Even if you strip the politics out, anyone can appreciate the underlying case of this wonderful act of verbal violence.
Sam taking the crab puff was perhaps the best thing about this episode 🤣
The best thing about the episode was Sheen's speech
Well, for him it is just another day at The Office...
@Eric EH Funny putting the words "hell" + "reality" next to each other. The days of using religion and the bible to scare, intimidate and terrorize people are coming to an end.
This was the scene that hooked me. An all time favorite television series.
@Eric EH Again threatening people with eternal damnation just because they like a show. Torquemada, is that you?
@Eric EH Nah, I don't love you, I find your zealotry and ignorance mildly amusing though. Maybe it's time for you to move on and stop spamming religious nonsense in posts that have nothing to do with religion.
@Eric EH That's the repetitive zealot that we know and love at it again.
@Eric EH Maybe you are in for a surprise when you don't have the coin for Charon. Statistically speaking I feel safe though.
@Eric EH The only thing Jesus is in charge is your visions apparently, have you tried some haloperidol?
This never gets old - 'ignorant tight ass club'
That EYE TWITCH when he says that when the POTUS is standing in the room, no one sits.... subtle but Powerful
I'm binge watching the first season, it works wonders as a therapy for the last four tortuous years.
@Eric EH Except he said nothing about religion nor beliefs. You are really going out of your way with your zealotry, ain't ya?
I've done the same with Designated Survivor. Kiefer Sutherland does a decent impression of Martin Sheen.
@Eric EH The show didn't pushed any religious agenda, buddy; in fact, it was quite open minded regarding the religious beliefs of everybody involved.
@Eric EH What kind of God feeds you 2000 year old tales but gives you but a few decades or less in life to learn to avoid an eternal fate? None, friend. Heaven may exist, hell does not. It is a mechanism used to force you into believing in the supernatural to control your thoughts and actions.
@@beaux2585 And so our dear old Eric moves on. There's less intelligent people he can troll/ spam ( not sure, I'm new to this game). Stay safe!
West Wing was one of the best shows of all time!
And you have seen them all and therefor can render such a judgment?
@@mja91352 You may want to work on your reading comprehension. I didn't say it was the "best" of all time, I said it was "one of the best" of all time. Ask your mother to explain the difference.
right up there with "Yes Minister"
I love how Sheen totally commands the room and puts this judgmental woman in her place without breaking a sweat. Masterful.
Brilliant acting, brilliant writing, best dramatic series ever.
The greatest political show ever made even with house of cards taken into consideration
I'm sure this is what Ainsley Hayes thought she was in for!!
@Eric EH Again, no religion mentioned in the Op, Torquemada.
@Eric EH shut the fuck up
And that is how you call you out their hypocrisy!
Something understated here; she has crab puffs on her plate. Leviticus forbids the consumption of shellfish.
One of the best tv take downs, EVER!!!!! Miss that show!!
@Eric EH Jajajajajajaja What a hoot!!
@Eric EH Of course I will!!! I'll be meeting all my favorite friends!! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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This scene plus the one with the pro-lifer getting her defense shredded on Law and Order are brilliant examples of where people who are adamant they are right, get their entire being ripped apart using their own logic.
But is there anything wrong with being pro-life?
@@inkyfreddy3539 Wrong? As an opinion or bias, I don't think so. As a public policy, yes. The US is a secular nation and without objective certainty about the beginning of life, each individual should exercise that liberty in deciding the matter.
@@DEAR7340 Doesnt the baby count as a individual?
@@JimmyBoy9878 Exactly my point. How far up the chain of events do you go before you consider it a "baby"? There is so little agreement on this, it makes sense to leave it to the individual.
@@DEAR7340 When it's alive. breathing, beating, moving in the stomach. I could have been aborted
This scene is such a powerful argument for why we shouldn't let ourselves be ruled by prejudice, fear, hate, exclusion, or the "accounting book" approach of whether you are good enough or not. So often, it's used against women's rights, or against kids and teens having some freedom at home or in public, against LGBT folks, or a number of other things, sometimes even still for racial or religious prejudices. -- I grew up in a conservative religious family with way more restrictions, sheltering, and controlling than I knew about, until I was finally out on my own and began to see how other people lived. And yet I think my family and church life were pretty ordinary, not too unusual. I knew friends and relatives who came from far more strict and difficult homes, more like the lady zealot there. And one of those friends died at 38, with no mention of anyone significant in his life.If he was gay, his parents, and possibly he himself, would never have accepted him. I hadn't seen him since high school and one time running into him at the grocery store at college age. When I finally was truly out on my own, I began to see just how different my family / home life had been from most people's, and I began to see too how my parents had, with the best of intentions and thinking they were right, had restricted and controlled my life and relationships from my earliest memories until even at college age, especially when I tried to rebel any. It still affects me. I wish they could have known what they were doing and why it wasn't right. I wish I knew what happened to that friend. So this scene really gets to me. The thing is, my parents and I loved each other. They didn't mean to mishandle things and I don't think they even knew what they were doing was causing problems. I still love them and I miss them. (They passed away from health problems when I was in my early 30's. I was not prepared for it.) I know I missed out on a lot and I wish we could have talked and done better. I love that Pres. Bartlett lets go of some righteous anger and rebukes he woman's narrow-minded claims. She's part of that kind of religious group who let fear and hate and prejudice rule them, instead of acceptance and love. Their world is so small and self-limiting that they don't really live. I would much rather see people like Pres. Bartlett than the Dr. Jacobs character there.
That’s also a good argument for why we shouldn’t live TV shows drive public policy.
In TV shows, everything always turns out the way the script writer wants them to
Columnists, pundits or journalists often dismiss Christians as inconsistent because “they pick and choose which of the rules in the Bible to obey.” The argument proceeds along these lines: “Christians ignore lots of Old Testament texts - about not eating raw meat or pork or shellfish, not executing people for breaking the Sabbath, not wearing garments woven with two kinds of material, and so on. Aren’t they just picking and choosing what they want to believe from the Bible?”
The root of the issue is a perceived inconsistency regarding rules mentioned in the Old Testament that are no longer practiced in the New Testament by the people of God. Most Christians don’t know how to respond when confronted about this, but the best place to start is often by describing the relationship between the Old Testament and the New Testament.
The Old Testament devotes a good amount of space to describing the various sacrifices that were to be offered in the tabernacle (and later the temple) to atone for sin so that worshipers could approach a holy God. That sacrificial system included a complex set of rules for ceremonial purity and cleanness - you could only approach God in worship if you ate certain foods, wore certain forms of clothing, refrained from touching certain objects, and so on. This code vividly conveyed, over and over, that human beings are spiritually unclean and cannot enter God’s presence without purification.
But even in the Old Testament, many passages indicate that the sacrifices and regulations of temple worship point ahead to something beyond them. This “something” was Jesus. Throughout his ministry, Jesus ignored Old Testament regulations regarding purification; he touched lepers and dead bodies, and declared all foods “clean.”
The culmination of Jesus’ ministry made clear his reason for doing this. When he died on the cross, the curtain in the temple tore in two, demonstrating that the entire sacrificial system and its ceremonial laws had been done away with. It is Jesus, the ultimate sacrifice for sin, not the laws of the Old Testament, that makes us clean now.
Understanding Biblical Inconsistencies
The book of Hebrews explains that the Old Testament ceremonial laws were not so much abolished as fulfilled by Christ. Whenever we pray in Jesus’ name, we “have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus” (Hebrews 10:19). As a result, if Christians continued to practice the ceremonial laws, their actions would be deeply inconsistent with the teaching of the Bible as a whole.
The New Testament provides further guidance for reading and understanding the Old Testament. Paul makes clear that the apostles understood the Old Testament moral law to still be binding on us. In short, the coming of Christ changed how we worship, but not how we live. The moral law outlines God’s own character - his integrity, love and faithfulness. Old Testament commandments about loving our neighbor, caring for the poor, being generous with our possessions and being committed to family still apply. The New Testament continues to forbid killing and adultery, and the sexual ethic of the Old Testament is restated throughout the New Testament. If the New Testament reaffirms an Old Testament commandment, then it continues to have force for us today.
Once you grant the main premise of the Bible - the surpassing significance of Christ and his salvation - then all of the Bible’s various parts make sense. Because of Christ, the ceremonial law of the Old Testament is repealed. However, if you reject the idea that Jesus is God’s Son and our Savior, then the Bible may contain some insight and wisdom - but most of it would be rejected as foolish or erroneous.
Where Does this Leave Us?
There are only two possibilities: If Christ is God, then this way of reading the Bible makes sense and is perfectly consistent with its main premise. If Christ isn’t God, then one does not adopt the central proclamation of Christianity, nor can the Bible serve as a guide for much of anything. But the one thing that cannot be said is that Christians are inconsistent to accept the moral statements of the Old Testament while not practicing its ceremonial laws.
TLDR: Jesus died on the cross and fulfilled the old Testament laws. We don't follow them because that is not how we worship anymore. It is Jesus, the ultimate sacrifice for sin, not the laws of the Old Testament, that makes us clean now. The moron president should know that his questions are already answered.