NO DRIP Camera Lens
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- Using the ship's rotating portal concept to make a lens that flings droplets off. Unlike existing rotary viewports, this novel integral-bearing design has no central hub to obscure the image. Thanks for your help making more VJOs. Early access for Patrons. / ave
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Isn't this some top secret inventing that could be stolen, I'm not going to tell anyone about it but a few of the other people on here seem a little shady.
Ah yes, but you can't steal what is freely given...
@@arduinoversusevil2025 at least not with it filmed and put on CZcams as proof of origin, otherwise it surely would not be the first time something was copyrighted that did not rightfully belong.
I'm pretty sure AvE had something like this for the Haas already. Visiport?
In the film and tv industry we actually have commercial motorized versions of this called Spintec and FCL Zero
These rotating windows have been on boats for many decades. (Probably an innovation from WW2.
AvE is going to revolutionize the adult film industry cinematography.
Eww!
Greg Adams eww? That’s the only thing I watch for.
Splash is part of the fun, tis why I prefer the front row
Wouldn't want to be standing either side of the camera guy
Fuckin give er. Lol
I always love it when the lathe starts and when chips fly the Auto caption says
[Applause]
Just a little public service announcement...
Putting your flesh-light in a lathe may sound tempting, but it's a horrible idea.
hokiepokie excuse me while I delete the following routine from my floppy disk:
Spin_dry
M03 S20000
Always watching with subs on now. Brilliant.
+@The TacomaKid ....
I guess you're not familiar with Arduino's...
+@@LucasGarrow ...
Lol!
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Just spin the disc on a motor shaft, and view off-center. The fling-off effect works even better when you're not looking through the center.
Exactly, you can buy a uv camera filter for $12 (Vu Filters 95mm Ariel UV Filter) 95mm diameter, and glue a shaft to the center, spin that from a motor like a dremel. alternatively you could squeegee the side that's not in the gopro field of view.
I'm pretty sure this exact technique was used in the first Alien film for one of the shots in a hangar where the camera tilts upwards and there's water dripping from the ceiling.
Exactly what I was thinking. I've seen it used in the filming of races for keeping snow and mud off the lens.
@@elijahwellnitz112 Or just use micro scale belt accross lens, just like speedway guys.
Or just use something to waterdisplacement like ULTRA EVER DRY
Thats what i was thinking too
“I don’t want to say it’s wrong but... it’s a little bit incorrect”
Our AvE has found some love in his heart
"A little bit meandering" says the master of tangential topics.
Guess you could say it’s relative.
Papa AvE, more parenthesis than an equation.
Lisper*
@@aserta 132
Making parts to go in the Haas on the old, clapped out, Bridgeport. The circle of life.
You need machines to make better machines.
and it all started with hot metal, an anvil, a hammer and the man...
Wellachctually we started with rocks and stones. Now on to generative A.I. design. The mind boggles.
@The TacomaKid Look at KISS boots.
@@TheFreakyJhonny We had to invent the forge and the anvil before we could do that. More like napping obsidian.
AvE, this is really cool and all, but your taking a big risk here. What if one of your fans steals yer idea? I mean, you know you can trust me, but what about the other two?
The 50/50 - 90 rule is a nice adage. Don't forget its sibling: The 90/10 rule - the first 90% of a project takes 90% of the time and the last 10% takes 90% of the time.
richard hargrove
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millihelen (mhel.): The amount of beauty required to launch one ship.
Pretty impressive. I think the outer race also needs to be a little recessed, to allow droplets shooting from the lens a clear path outta there. More effective if they dont come back for a second try
Was just thinking the same thing.
I'm just thankful that they don't have these things on the colonoscopy cameras at the VA!
Was gonna suggest having the rotating lens sit proud of the body so the droplets are unobstructed as they come flying off...
or the inner one "top hat" shaped, so the brim on the camera side can both shield airflow out of the back of the bearing, as well as use the skirt to fling shmoo away from the camera
I was thinking that the front side of the inner should be larger in all axes. Basically, it should stick out forward along the axis of spin and then widen to cover the gap, that would prevent the schmoo from getting into it.
"...plumbus-looking thing..."
Ahhhh geeeeeezzzzzzzz
Wow, you made an awesome little rain spinner prototype. These are used on cinema camera's when used on pursuit vehicles in the rain and cost like $10000.
"For washing dogs' paws..."
Riiiight
@@thewolfin 2 references the better 3/4s heard it and first thing she said was did he just say plumbus
Good vid but i gotta go wash the paw.
That's a weird name for it
4-6 inch disc and put camera near the edge (highest velocities for the schmoo). Formula 1 used to use these during the 90's when raining.
exactly!
Spinning glass discs are still being used, look up the Schulz Sprayoff Rain Deflectors.
Price wise, they're up to about $13,000...!
I think he wanted to stick it on a gopro, something smallerish
@@GigsVT Smaller is fine. The main point is to keep lens away from center of spinning disc as centrifugal forces will effectively be zero there, so coolant might gather there.
@@alanryan8255 Oh, and that's why the marine manufacturers don't care about putting the motor in the center, because the center wouldn't be clear anyway. The plot thickens
It's awesome how you quickly show yourself moving through your thought process. Before you go cutting up a larger lens for a worm drive keep in mind the abysmally low gear ratios they are capable of - and because of the extra engagement provided by the worm drive (at the speeds you desire) I bet the vibrations from the interface of the worm and lens will be hard to manage! First time in my life I had even a clue what you were talking about. Love your stuff man, thanks for the hours of entertainment!
I don't comment often but this was the best/funniest vjo I seen on your channel.
A fantastic idea, but definitely needs a little refinement to make it practical. I'm not sure you'd be able to (reliably) get the rpm you need out of it using a worm drive. This may be beyond the realm of a home gamer, but the best way I can think of to do it without air is to make it into a brushless motor, with the magnets embedded along the circumference of the spinning lense, and the windings embedded in the body. Not only would it be quiet and controllable, but it would also make it look like you have some sort of death ray generator instead of a camera....
CPU fans from at least the early 2000s used this tip driven philosophy. If you could machine out the fan blades and drop in an acrylic you'd be ready to go.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip-magnetic_driving
John T maybe seal the bearing on the camera side?
There's no such thing as beyond the realm of a home gamer.
@@dpartridge2325 True, I should have said *practical* realm of a home gamer. But then again, is doing anything as a home gamer ever really "practical?"
Just use a regular sealed bearing with a big hole. And for driving it a belt drive.
McMaster Carr straight up sent you airsoft BBs.. i hope they weren't expensive
McMaster Carr, so... 10x what they should cost
Well at least the white ones are more valuable than green
Lol thinking the same thing.
Same same
I thought he was going to say they were ceramic, then he said otherwise. Lol
One of the best videos yet. If ever I felt like I was there . Not to mention my thought flow was virtually synced . Fantastic AvE Cudos brother.
My thought flow was also synced, but only with the coolant flow from 18:42.
When it spins it makes the picture blury.
I'm shocked you know what a plumbus is.
Obviously that is due to machining tolerance and the thing slightly changing focal length.
lol yea that plumbus mention surprised me :D
@@SpydersByte Caught me off guard for sure.
Damn, I knew I liked this fucker for some reason.
Why wouldn't he? Everybody has a plumbus in their home.
Just spin the friggen camera problem sholved.... Aaaaand Time.
Could you just machine a circle of plastic that squeezes nicely into a large bearing?
CommanderLake And use a belt drive to run it...
@@3rdHalf1 air is easiest for the CNC as it has a ready supply and could even be programmed in to turn on with the program if one so desired.
Or just slap a disc of Lexan in a cheap die grinder or air drill. Then you could set the camera off to the edge and not at the center where velocity is zero.
That is what i was thinking!!
@@iFixedItAgain Yeah, perhaps even easier, you could remove the metal off of a blank CD (high voltage spark burns it up), and then use a CD spindle + motor. Super cheap and easy, easy to get replacement lenses too.
Edge precision is one of my favorite channels, and not a machinist. Peter has an amazing breadth of knowledge and skill. Cheers,ed.
Finally a lens attachement I can use to film the schmoo real mackerel like.
The Cockford-Ollie for a perfect Bouc-à-Queue!
That's just a genius way of approaching this... As for future iterations, I think you could make one without the gear and just making a motor, where the lens is the rotor. Use small copper coils around the inside of the outer race (so like the stator on a motor, but using way more than any standard motor) and small permanent magnets embedded in the outside of the inner race (making it the lens/rotor), then configure the coils so its a 3 phase motor and you could use a standard ESC for controlling the speed.
That is a pancake motor. A CD drive.
People might simply be overthinking this.
Keep it simple. No worm gears. No brushless radial motor.
I was thinking the same. I would start with a real sealed bearing with a large inner shaft bore to mount the window. Then a concentric lamination attached to the inner hub. The rotor could be an axial flux with the coils fixed around the whole assembly. The whole thing could be quite compact and controllable with a VFD. Almost no machining necessary and real bearings.
Go with a bigger circle window and spin it around a center axle, then film through the window off-centre. More stability that way, no wobble wobble
Yeah or put the camera in a spinning clear cylinder, kind of like they do for the on car racing cameras. Can even put squeegees on the sides of either design.
Commentary is the best, always love it!
In Hollywood. When they shoot rain. There is a round sheet of glass in front of the lens and a motor keeps it spinning. Water can't hold to the surface. Easy.
the problem with the "worm and gear" method would be that you would need enourmous RPMs on the worm gear in order to get the lens spinning fast enough...
Yeah not sure why he chose a worm gear. Better to use a pair of double-helical (i.e. herringbone) gears. You can 3D print these with like $1 worth of plastic. And the herringbone pattern would keep it self-aligning.
Or even better, as another commenter suggested: spin the lens on a central axle and then look through the lens off-centre.
How about a hydrophobic coating?
This channel only gets better!!!
Man, I'm a photographer and I LOVE this whole idea, amazing.
Hard to say exactly, boys. Had a couple drinks‚ saw a couple things...
Fukin way she goes
Got any more of that special water there Jimmy?
Nice job man. As a filmmaker by trade I'm excited to see the next version!
Hey Ave, long time listener first time caller. Seems to me that his problem may be solved easily by applying RainX to the lens glass. This would of course aid the air blade in removing fluid from the surface by causing it to bead up instead of laying flat when contacting said glass. Love your ingenuity brother! 🤙
wow, well done sir. from beginning version with the wheeble wobblesz, to the end result. im impressed.. slow clap for you as always!
Well you did have the spinamathing slightly crooked in yer three-jaw. That probably didn't contribute to less weeble wobble. :D
Hahaha nicely spoken
A potential mod to this design could be to slice the housing in half through the recess for the balls and run bolts through it, that way you could have a tighter fit between the lens and the housing and get the balls in without the need for lube.
Does the camera have to look straight down the axis of rotation of the lens? Or could you have a larger disc that's offset so you can stick it on an axle and have the camera look through one half of it?
Awesome work!
I've done some work in optics. I think the lens distortion is being caused by the faces of the lens not being parallel to each other and/or the faces not being parallel to the races. Using thinner acrylic will help, but if everything was parallel it wouldn't matter how thick the acrylic was.
Also, a worm gear is going to have a really low gear ratio so it might not get enough speed to clean, plus the shmoo jamming gears which can't happen if it's pneumatic.
Keep up the awesome work.
Otherworldly conceptualization, you may have been remote viewing Bob Lazar! Inconceivable amount of thumbs up.
I'm glad you're talking about EdgePrecision's air blade set up. It was pretty cool to see him develop the idea, but I've wanted to see some other iterations of the concept since he made that one. It seemed important that a way to address laminar flow of the air was incorporated in some way.
I wonder just how many million doll-hair ideas our favorite uncle has had in his lifetime.
Great job AVE!
Two kinds of genius. Ave and Edge Precision. Very different kinds of genius.
Holy overbuiltness batman. I mean, I love watching the ingenuity. I'm a long time fan of the BF-ery for sure. But partner, I feel like there's a simpler way. No gears, no threads, etc. Try a disc of plexi, or lexan or whichever. Acrylic being a tad harder might help avoid the scratches... Put a hole in the center and an arbor through it for a drill. Line up the lens off center. No need to have the lens look dead thru the center... it's what the big boys in the movie biz have used for decades. Maybe give 'er a try...? Simplify as needed of course.
How about a CD with the silver plating scraped off? Even comes with a hole!
hes even got one on the haas
as much as I apreciate your practicality to the situation, I am german and thus legally required to suggest that what should really happen, is AvE try to use a 3 inlet system to dump the bearing balls entirely and just hydrostaticly bear the central disk in the name of science and complete overengineering
That's brilliant! You can add rigidity to that system by cutting a groove near the edge of the front face of the disc. Cut a hole in a panel that's smaller in diameter than the disc, cut a groove along that edge to create a race for balls to run in. You can press the disc sturdily against the panel and hopefully mitigate weeble wobbleness. The same principle as in ball bearing turntables/ Lazy Susans.
With the motor driving the hub via a worm gear, you should be able to tune the rpm to match a common denominator of the framerate of your camera. Hopefully that would give you a consistent focus without needing some exotic stabilization or super precise machining.
I dont think that would work, as your camera takes a shot not at one point in time but over a timespan. Doing this might remove gitter, but would make it real blury instead.
Worm gear would probably be a bit too slow. What you could just do is use a belt drive. Way cheaper and faster if maybe not as compact.
What makes you think the camera needs to spin?
I suggest looking at SmarterEveryDay and rolling shutter.
putting in for decent idea until proven false. data available points to sketchy, but without trying it on x camera in x situation with x settings (which is what we're doing here)... anyway, it being more for a broad audience, one should fix the actual problem without bandaids. precise machining wins over design bandaids every time.
An interesting design using the same physical principle of a visiport. Well done mister!
Holy crap - the final PoC was fabulous!
I don't think a worm will spin it fast enough.
Maybe stick magnets on it and have it as a motor itself?
you could use planetary gears to trade the worm drive's torque for speed. the downside, too many parts needlessly complex...
Or a chain
Why reinvent the wheel? can you not press in some sort of off the shelf bearing?
Just in case the description was updated after you commented:
"... this novel integral-bearing design has no central hub to obscure the image."
@@Fireholder1 i think he meant one with a big 1-2 inch ID.
confirmed ave watches rick and morty
Oh Ave watches EVERYTHING!
upgraded my speakers. now I *_really_* hear where you are in relation to the camera.
It's kind of startling when you jump cut and suddenly you're behind me like some kinda caninja
Theory of relativity says you can rotate the Haas instead...what did Mach say about that???
Under relativity, rotations are not Lorentz invariant
Would the original air blade design work good enough with a hydrophobic coating?
My new favorite channel. If I weren't broke, I'd donate.
I feel that way when I watch your vijayo's, AvE!
"My first lesson in fluid dynamics, I learned that fan blades are nasty, because a Rolling Stone gathers no moss, except when your bore is oval, due to too many balls in your race with not enough schmooo."...
-Greg LouGayness
8:38 "OO! Balls flyin' all over the place. It's like Dewclaw's last Saturday night!"
I IS DED
I would LOVE to spend a day in your world. It must be utterly fascinating!
Thumbs up for being the first soul since I left the Navy, 31 years ago almost to the day, that was able to use the 50/50/90 rule in a grammatically proper sentence.
Think about how you would make a spindle.
Bearings are cheap, sealed, and precise. Buy the bearings. Machine the plexi center, machine the housing.
Belt drive for high speed.
What runs on air, spins fast, is cheap? Pick your harbor freight random airtool for drive, or a $10 electric motor.
This video has everything AVE's Balls, his jokes, but no head, only hand jobs. If in (pardon the pun) u, put veins on the outer ring the schmoo might escape out instead of in unless you put a proper sealed bearing which I think you mentioned, Well done tho. AvE has jokes.
With how obscenely expensive photography is, I can't believe this doesn't exist, this seems like a fantastic idea and could be a super expensive part
Come on matey- about time we had another tradesman/domestic appliance tear down, the Dyson videos will take some beating! Class.
Richard Halliday Yorkshire England
Send in a patent application with just bumblefucker slang. The laughs would be worth it.
"in legaleez....keeping the speckles off your schmeckle...." 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ahhh... Fluid mechanics.. my arch nemesis!! The no slip condition always gets me.
shaving off the front and back of the inner piece will keep the ends parallel, which i think is what gives you the wobbling view, though you will have to polish them again.
It could use a hydrophobic coating on the lens as well. Something like the ceramic coatings that people put on their cars. I know John Grimsmo is going about testing that stuff on his lathe.
From grizzled Canuck prospector to mad scientist and of course on to inventor. The order of natural progression? I aint going to mention the blurring.
Well look at Red Green.
@@Richter-89 is he still alive? He must be older than dirt by now.
Love the Rick & Morty references! Always a laugh around here, AvE!
Endlessly entertaining. I've never touched a lathe. Now I gotta buy one. Woodworking is so 2010.
Coat the plexiglass with rain-x or wax. Get it to bead up and fly off that portal.
There is probably one for sale on Aliexpress by now.
let's hope so!
Spitballing here - to get tighter tolerances consider a center lens which has a thickness just a hair over the diameter of the ball bearings, with a machined inner race to match the balls. The outer housing can be made in two halves, pick your orientation - clamshell or top/bottom, with half of the outer race machined into each and then sandwiched together during assembly. No press fitting and the tolerances can be tighter than Cameron.
Thank you for another great video
Just when you think AvE might be a PSV guy he reveals himself to be a Feyenoord fella.
Hand in hand
This would work great for the field I’m in. Sewer pipe inspection
Some might say you've got a shitty job :P
i would give this two thumbs up if i could. the commentary is the best.
Interesting way of doing it! The spinning cover is very appealing. I may try it myself with some bicycle headset bearings since they're cheap & have a large bore.
How about this? You simply cut a 6 or 8 inch disk with a hole in the center (a standard hole saw should work nicely). Then afix that disk to a motor shaft using that center hole, and mount the camera lens offset from the center. The spinning should be very smooth (assuming a well cut disk), it shouldn't leak, and could spin *REALLY* fast (with the right motor).
There's really no reason to have the window and lens concentric.
I believe you are trying to make a home gamer version of the Shotover rain spinner camera accessory.
Came here to say just that. Are they still as noisy as they used to be?
@@Legendinium To be honest I have no idea I just knew they where a thing by seeing a piece on how f1 helicopters fillm.
I like the acoustics of the old shop!
Lovely idea! When you drilled into the side of the rotating lense, it was no longer rotationally symmetric, and so you introduced a vibration moment into it. Better to drill into the non-moving part, and/or plug the hole after to reduce the imbalance.
Just split the outside ring and epoxy or screw it back together after the balls are installed.
Good idea.
I was about to suggest the same thing.
Alternatively the balls could be fed through the air intake, with a connecting groove. The groove to the race should be directional anyway, as the intake makes the whole thing directional.
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Cool video AVE
You have a touch of ASMR going on with the audio 🤪, great video 👍
9:15
TIL that AvE is a fan of Rick and Morty
Uriah Siner best cartoon EVER.
my world is complete
Uriah Siner, if anyone can come up with a Gwendolyn sex robot, it’s AvE.
Love the plumbus reference!
Never said he's a fan xD
I think air beaing is a good choice for the air powered version of this device.
I believe you could use the term "Boundary Layer" referring to the place on top of an airfoil, or in this example the lens where the air/liquid stands relatively still. In aviation we can use vortex-generators on top of the wings leading edge to control the boundary layer, maybe it could be used to manipulate the airflow over the lens as well.
By the way, there are plastic race (acetal, I think) bearings with glass balls. Conveniently, they're water-lubricated.
They're also cheap, so one option would be to integrate one into your porthole.
Should work, something like this is used on the dmg mori machines and is sold as "gyroport" or "rotoclear"
Cool project!
Those have the driver in the middle obscuring the view, which is what he was looking to eliminate. He already has one of those type on his Haas.
@@scottr939 Agreed, but you could obviously give the lens an offset to the side of that motor. it does mean that the diameter of this window has to be: motor diameter + 2x camera lens diameter
@@StefsEngineering Again, he already has one of those. And it's big and bulky (like you said, twice as big as needed) and affixed to the inside of the cabinet. I think he wants one that is portable and stays with the camera, like he showed in the video, allowing him to put multiple GoPros inside the cabinet for different angles etc, and ideally for field work also.
how about a labyrinth style seal to keep out the schmoo? make the inner spinamathing proud from the outer housing, cut a groove in it, and us a thin piece of sheet metal, or clear plastic
1/4" hex to 3/8" square fits in those lathes (socket/drill adapter). Drill motor makes those jaw changes go so much faster.
The double entendres on this channel are better than all the carry on movies combined!
Maybe the device doesn't need ball bearings if a air cushion effect could be used.
Perhaps multiple air jets encircling the centre hub? Keep it simple.
That's a neat idea. I thought of it too (sees the reason why ima commenting on ur deal) that would be harder though as I continued on thinkin about it because you'd have to have something throttling the air perfectly and evenly from each side ,which would require a programmed arduino and all that. Probably wouldn't be a simpler idea
@@GerstBladeworks : Bit late, but a 555 with a sensor to control pin 5 is enough (the lower the voltage on pin 5, the _faster_ the 555 oscillates, because it doesn't have to "travel" as far).
Pfff ER for a little drill bit in the the thumb.....some peoples children..
I saw the DVD extras of "Castaway". During the scenes where the camera is plopping in and out of water, they had this same idea built on to the water-proof camera case. And the results were what you are going for... no water on the lens to speak of.
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