Crazy News About What's Coming to KILL TEAM?
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2021
- There are MASSIVE changes coming to the new version of Games Workshop's Warhammer 40,000 Kill Team coming out next month, and I go over and analyze the news that's been released.
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The name "Kill Team" is the only thing this new game shares with the old game. It's exciting! Who wouldn't want well regarded modern game design principles applied to the 40K universe and models? Roll on KT21!
Not a fan of the combat system, seems counter to the lore my space marines power armour should be able to deflect a bayonet. Crikey in the lore they break on the ceramite but in this game it does not matter. That pulls me right out of immersion
Nah no list building suck
Exactly, this is finally moving into modern skirmish design. KT18 was a good start but now they can throw off the shackles of the 40k stat blocks and create an actual skirmish game, not half a skirmish game.
And using lore as a rule guide post is insane, nothing in this game makes sense with lore because lore changes all the time. Space Marines shouldn't be invincible to melee because that doesn't make a game, that's just dumb.
@@BanzaiM50 i think its cool concept that some bands can be invincible in melee, interesting gameplay
@@Qew77 That's not balanced gameplay however, there are going to be Melee focused forces just like before, and having completing negating effects like that in a smaller metagame isn't good game design.
Uncle Atom keeping my Kill Team hype at 11 for years now.
What I'm really hoping is that GW is actually using this Kill Team as a way to "trial" substantial mechanical changes/improvements for 40k proper. It's obvious that the designers of this new Kill Team are incorporating improvements seen in other modern skirmish games, and finally dropping the shackles of the 40k rule set, which is really showing it's age now. If this Kill Team is popular enough, then maybe GW can use it as a proof of concept (and trojan horse) for introducing more modern design elements into core 40k.
They won't put stuff from KT into 40k or if they do it won't be for a long time considering the cost that's already been put into updating the instructions, even the look of the boxes.
@@mikejonesnoreally They really need to bring in alternating activation. I don't know if you'd had a chance to play Bolt Action (or so many other modern rulesets...), but alternating unit activation is just such a better system.
@@labtec514 Well obviously it wouldn't be until a new edition.
@@dannypockets not like that will be long time. Next summer maybe or at most the summer after that. If it is next summer than likely nothing this radical
I feel if they ever change 40k’s olde-timey activation system, it’ll cause a full-on riot. Well, on online one - but still. Thanks for watching!
It’s been awesome having the new rules drip fed over the last couple of weeks and each day its just got better and better. Two brilliant factions, some great terrain, everything you want from a box set, I can’t wait for the release!
Better get in quick!
If by awesome you mean frustrating and stupid, I agree
Custodes turn - move, shoot, charge, fight ;)
@@jesterprince4949 Imagine, “Charge, Fight, Fight, Fight” from a Custodes. That’s dangerous.
I'm excited, while I enjoyed Kill Team and it's what got me into the hobby I always found the rules to be really clunky for a skirmish game.
I'm happy with the rule changes... Kill team should be it's own beast and not a mini version of 40k. This system gives a much better sense of scale.
Alternating activations in Titanicus is great as as is the entire rule set. Hoping that Killteam also becomes its own great system, now separate from 40K.
@@jesterprince4949 It would be tough for them to do as they'd have to change all codexes and stratagems at once due to how everything is in phases.
And they really like making money with their slow drip release of codexes.
Hmm interesting. I didn't really like the way the current kill team system worked but you're getting me excited about the new version. Please keep these videos coming with your interpretation and guesses on how it works!
I love how its a whole new ruleset rather than '40k lite' like how the previous(or rather, current) kill team rules were
A great overview, thanks. I’m liking everything we’ve seen so far, apart from the list building stuff. That’s got me kind of nervous, I have to say. It seems kinda restrictive, but will be interested to see more when the full rules are out.
List building like this essentially and always leaves holes you can drive a cart and horses through if you're possessed by the need to always have all of the advantages you can get regardless of anything else. IF you play with folks who's focus is to play great games and enjoy them then it doesn't matter.
For this reason I'm really looking forward to all the non-minmaxxed teams hitting ebay in August, dig in, fill your boots
@@philgee486 I’m not interested in winning games. I’m a narrative gamer through and through, but the idea that I won’t be able to build a thematic list how I want, but rather will be forced into predefined choices has me concerned. Creating a team with multiple sniper rifles might be fun, but no longer allowed for example.
I will see how it goes when it comes out, as I say.
@@marks6928 I enjoy winning, I just also enjoy a good game either way. This cookie-cutter approach is there to sell sprues. The formations you're allowed will conform to the sprues they want to sell. Add in the recent edicts against third-party customisation parts and you can be sure that allowing that sort of novel unit choices is the opposite of what they are allowing. The allowed weapon choices will be there on the cookie-cut sprue.
I think the list building is much easier, I do like this type of listbuilding rather than fussing about points. I don't think this would work in 40k at all, I hope that s not brought over.
@@marks6928 Just house rule it then.
I feel like they are doing a nice mix of Warcry and Infinity, which I both like
That's the game I want!
I think they missed the opportunity to make OrkCry ;)
@@NotTheStinkyCheese Yeah or just WAAAAGHHHH!!! all caps spelled just like that
The removal of points worries me, unless all the weapons are very well balanced, there WILL be weapons that are just flat out better than others you could take on the same model.
There is no internal balance in the lists. They are not really trying hence the very heavy restrict on operators of one of each special guy type max in the whole kill team. Maybe when you get to the 5 or 6th option for the special guy thr basic trooper might be more useful against this specific opponent so does not get picked up from the roster.
I remain unconvinced that this isn't also the case with points. As some things become under costed etc.
@@KaelBannerOh definitely, I'm just saying that by removing any incentives not to take the most powerful weapons, it becomes an excersice in min-maxing, like with power levels in 40k.
@@trevordavis6830 the problem is that their previous scalpel was rather dull, and blunt. Restricting how many of one kind of weapon you can take minimizes the risk of an OP weapon getting out of control. After all, that operative will have a huge target for early removal by your opponent.
As I said under a previous video, I haven't bought any GW game since Epic Armageddon, but I am going in on this, and all the reveals just keep reinforcing that idea. Loving what I see.
Thank you for the summary. The new rules sound intriguing.
I love how upset many people are about the game they haven't played yet. Gotta love the warhammer community because no one else will.
I think the new rules will make this more accessible to new players. For example, the restrictive list building may actually be more appealing to a player new to GW. I think that’s a good thing
I think its a bad thing
I think it's almost a necessity for the newcomers. When you're a newbie and your look at this points system and there are so many options and you need to fit it all together to get something viable.. it's so much that most probably you'll end up searching for the lists online. And they did just that, provided a narrowed down list of options for you to choose from. Nice move
I like the list building. No spamming plasma, lol. I’m glad it’s different than 40k.
As someone who came back to painting 3 years ago and never played.. For the first time, I'm going to try playing.. And it's because they've simplified it so much. I don't care about complicated lists and points and a million options - I just went to have some quick fun over a beer eith some buddies.
This is it for me!
@@thelostcraft4252 agreed - it seems like this will make it much easier to have more people play the game. Making the game accessible to more players is good, in my mind anyways.
I like how 40k is described as 'rolling off to see who wins'. I do like KillTeam, and still have no idea what its going to be in a few months. Me and my friends are already trying to adjust to a new sigmar and new codexes in 40k.
Very excited. I'm sure things will develop similar to how we got Elites, etc, but I love that this is going it's own direction.
40k doesn't work at a skirmish game level, it's designed for larger scale games. Shaking off the 40k stat blocks and utilizing more modern skirmish game design is going to open up so much design space, instead of having to wait for a random box set to get upgraded stats for an army to match 40k or some nonsense.
Now its for 40k light, it's 40k Kill Team, it's own unique game that can grow in its own way.
In the article it said custodes have fire teams (each comprised of 2 models)
I am very excited not only for the new models but the new rules as well. I think this will be a significant improvement. Though the element of KT ver. 1 being '40K lite' is cool and a good way to work people into the larger scale game I think KT should be it's own beast.
I put my order for the new Kill Team Box in with my Favorite Local Game Store last Saturday.
Yeah, it seems like they noticed Warcry found a niché in the Skirmish subgenre (apart from Necromunda). So instead of using it as a semi entrypoint to 40k they gave it more of its own identity mixing DNA from their prior Skirmish games.
@@jesterprince4949 Agreed! Yet its less obvious not using the directly related rules with a small scaledown. This stands more on its own altough you can re-use the models for 40k etc.
Funny thing on Close combat that's 40k close combat from 25 years ago
Atom, I received a copy of your game today, looking forward to playing.
Here's to hoping that they don't do us dirty like they did with the Warcry data cards. Also with everything being based on data cards, there's little chance that it will include a deep campaign system where units reap the benefits of their experience and suffer the consequences of their injuries.
As the proud owner of a krieg army and an ork horde who was thinking about getting into killteam, this is ideal timing.
I'm very intrigued by this new edition. I recently got into Underworlds and the critical defense thing came from there. It sounds like they took some Warcry, some 40K, some Kill Team, some Underworlds, and mixed in a little Warmachine/Hordes and threw it all in a blender and came out with this new ruleset. And that isn't a bad thing. I've long wished for a card-based 40K system where a model's stats are all on one card that's easy to reference instead of books and charts. Alternating activations...yes please...this sounds a bit like WM/H activations to me...and that works for me.
The hardest thing is going to be changing players away from "points". Most games I've tried that did away with points in favor of some other system had people begging and pleading for points until they just lost interest and the games died off...far too many people out there are so totally married to the idea of "points" that they will never be able to put it aside and any mention of a game not having "points" turns them off. I guess we will see how "balanced" GW has made the game going this new route and if people can divorce their brains from the idea of needing "points". I really hope it works.
Everything I've seen about the new Kill Team I've either liked or its something I can live with. I wish they went into more detail about things on the warhammer site, but it is what it is. Looking forward to it.
So very glad they've updated special weapon rules to prevent me from having to source out 4 more plasma guns just for the sake of Guard meta.
Great summary video. I just want the full rulebook, or short of that, an example playthrough. Oh and a release date. The FOMO stress is killing me due to the fact that kill team is my jam.
I have not been this psyched about a GW product since the 2018 Kill Team. The rules look GOOD.
I love the alternating activations
I think I will keep my Kill Team stuff and keep playing it. Its a better introduction if you want to testplay for 40k propper and I have all my KTs ready and done.
Ahhhh data cards. Cash cows, release one pack a week as a splash release, everyone panic buys and then scalpers go to work.
I will sail the seas of the Imperium if I must.
The stat block is known as a “data card” but from what they’ve said, they’ll be releasing a compendium book at release that’ll have all the available “data card” stats in it. So there won’t be actual ‘cards’ except maybe in the fancy release box. Thanks for watching!
@@tabletopminions ahhhh I had thought it would be like the cards for necromunda/warcry and such
@@tabletopminions I would be shocked if they do not have cards to sell with them. Splash box has 54 cards but only like 22 operatives so there are other types of cards. Everything pretty much gets limited run cards these days even if not useful or to hide 1 or 2 new things in a 20 dollar card pack.
Already a custodes main player (both in Killteam/40K, with Guard and Skitarii as secondary Killteam army's.)
Other then the Movement and points changes Everything sounds fantastic.
Feeling a bit ill about "retiring" my 2nd edition Kill Team books and materials so soon, but the upcoming edition does seem like it's going to be a better game, so we'll probably buy in, especially if the box set isn't prohibitively expensive. (Then we'll have box sets for all three versions of Kill Team. Sigh.) The updated close combat rules do seem a bit similar to those in Pulp Alley, but then I guess there's nothing new under the sun.
I guess - as Uncle Atom always highlights - if you don't like the new version, nothing to stop you playing the old version or any variation you like
I do feel that the new activation system does seem like an improvement to the game, especially after playing A Song Of Ice & Fire (the board game). Excited nonetheless.
I love alternative activations, was the best thing about Vor along with the movement allocation for actions(shooting a gun might cost 3mp and a human might have 9mp, so you could shoot 3 times, move up to 9 inches or a combination of those two)
17:08 I feel like the titles are written that way because they know that a ton of people won't read the article, but they might read just the title. They probably told the authors to include all the key information in the headline so it still works as advertising. XD
I was skeptical until I heard about alternating activations. Now I am very interested
Then again, there was always Grimdark Future: Firefight if you wanted alternating activations.
@@Bluecho4 also a great game
I really like kill team and I really like Uncle Atom.
Very smart pic of models orks and korps , we will be very , very lucky to get a copy on release
The new kill team seems really cool.
Do we know if the size of the kill teams will be about the same ? currantly working on some chaos space marines and cultists for my chaos space marine kill team
I was initially a little bummed that they were moving *so far* from regular 40K rules, I just got into the actual tabletop side of 40K last year and liked kill team specifically *because* it was essentially “40K-Lite” and a good entry point for full 40K, but after the past 2 weeks reading the articles about all the changes I’m actually extremely excited for this new version. I thought the shape measurement stuff was a little odd at first but I’ve actually come around on them once they started explaining how movement would work and how stuff like terrain and wounds would affect it.
I love this approach to comparative WS melee combat. It's far more visceral than what they had in past editions of regular 40k, with either the WS hit chart in 3rd-7th edition, or the combat score mechanic from 1st and 2nd edition... I kind of wish they could find a way to bring this into the current 40k ruleset.
On the matter of there being no armour save in melee combat, it's worth mentioning that of the datacards we've seen so far, operatives generally have either more dice, a better hit roll, or both, than their DF and SV. So when it really comes down to it, they generally have a better chance of avoiding hits in melee combat, than they do from ranged attacks, with the added benefit that if you end up rolling more hits than your opponent, you can deal damage to them. The flip side of this, is that there are weapons/operatives in the game that deal far more damage in melee than a lasgun can do with a ranged attack... but then again, there's plenty of ranged weapons better than a lasgun too.
More power to people excited for the new Kill Team, but I liked that Kill Team was compatible with the 40k rules. Nothing announced so far has me interested.
To me it sounds like they're finally catching up with the elements that make existing skirmish games awesome. Planet 28, Blast Pistol, Stargrave, etc.
Excited about it!
I'm quite excited about this. I gave up on the current kill team because I found Imperial Guard very frustrating to play with.
I was excited with all the animations and sprues!
Loving most of these new rules (everything except the movement) I bet the preorder goes live at the end of August.
Just remember - if it ain’t broke : stick with what you have! As a casual player though, I look forward to the new system. I have the choice of sticking with Old KillTeam or playing a quicker, more streamlined game of New KillTeam. A bit salty that it seems I can’t make just any model a specialist or that it seems there is more emphasis on making sure your models are WYSIWYG… but we’ll get some clarification when the time comes (salty because the Ork KT box I got previously didn’t even give me all options for WYSIWYG - I needed to have other ork kits to make my KillTeam 100% WYSIWYG). I can see how it would suck for competitive players who have dialed in their strategy. But for those winning money at tournaments, I assume they have the means to ‘upgrade their game’, so to speak. Yes, it would suck for those struggling in the ranks - but you knew the risks involved in getting into the competitive scene, didn’t you?
Thanks for this video. I'm liking what I am hearing about this new Kill Team. It might be the right game to split with my brother-in-law, who I've got into Gaslands, and has expressed interest in the previous version. This version however, looks a far easier prospect. Alternating activations and a lack of weapon ranges is about time. The movement " sticks" or whatever, remind me a bit of the movement templates for Gadlands, another plus.
I just hope I have the dough when it shows up in my FLGS sometime next month!
Thanks again for you astounding psychic abilities....! And for your enthusiasm and tireless advocacy for this hobby!
My biggest concern right now is distribution and logistics. The supply of Dominion seemed sufficient to handle the demand load, but the Beast Snaggas set did not.
I fully understand that they are very different products; AoS has a smaller install base than 40K, and the Ork set is for a targeted subsection of the 40K demographic. Without seeing production numbers it's difficult to analyze these release events.
Who is Octarius for? New KT customers, old KT install base, old 40K install base? What's the ratio of AoS to Warcry players?
I'm not a big fan of feeding the FOMO, but it would be nice to know some numbers so I can gauge my concern and purchasing practices.
I like they direction close combat is going with the spending of dice results and cancelling your opponents results, but armor should still play a factor in some way.
I am cautiously optimistic about the last building as announced but wonder how they allow for future balancing.
I have no experience with Warcry, so I don't know if these concerns are addressed there.
My question is: do i have to trash all my old kill team or i can recycle some of them? In general I'm very happy for the update and considering that i was planning to start necromunda i will wait this new kill team
You should be able to use many/most of them. Hopefully we’ll know more soon. Thanks for watching!
Warcry made me realize that I like to spend my time in skirmish games thinking about tactics instead of rules. Cutting the ties to 40K made it so that Kill Team can be the fast playing skirmish game I want instead of 40K light. Also, 9th edition 40K has made it so that you can play 40K light if you really want to without Kill Team.
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Doh. Stop is Uncle Atom. Your making Kill Team sounds like the 40k game I have been looking for. You are definitely making me want to buy it when it releases.
I think Fire Teams are just sub factions to the overarching Army/Faction - they show Imperial Guard as having 2: Guardsmen & Tempestus Scions. So seems like it’s just a way of breaking up the Faction itself rather than having 1 giant list that so they can make rosters simpler to fill. ie 0-2 lots of 7 Guardsmen and/or 0-2 lots of Scions (2 Fire Teams total). Whereas the Warcry Hammer/Dagger/Shield was you chopping up your final list into personalised groups.
I'm excited to see what the new edition is like, but I'm nervous about two things:
They might not include my favorite units (vanguard veterans, Lictors, Allarus custodians, etc.)
They might lose the diversity that I know and love in certain factions right now. This could be a good thing and bring every faction closer to equal in power (which would be great!), but it could make lists too bland and standardized/oversimplified. It was fun when I would bring multi-damage weapons to smoke marines but then I'd be better off with single damage weapons against necrons. I sincerely hope we don't lose that list building complexity.
The kill team has the starting units for each kill team baring future expansions. i dont think any of those are included.
@@KaelBanner Yeah, that's what the website says but I don't think the website is correct. We've seen Lychguard in the images we've seen from the rule book included in the new box but the last time I checked the website they were missing from the Necron unit list. I sincerely hope that the website is wrong or incomplete.
This seems like a very positive change for Kill Team… I feel more excited for this release then anything else GW has put out this year!
Oh man, I barely got to play both AoS 2nd and Kill Team, now I have to re-learn both haha
As a long time 40K player, I feel like you should get used to three year cycles for editions now. It's just the way of things in a publicly traded company. Profits will always come first and forcing your entire customer base to have to "re-up" every three years is what they're doing. The other option is to relegate games like Kill Team to the same fate as, say, Man O' War or Space Hulk and just sell the game periodically with no real support at all.
It used to be every five years, then every four. Now it's every three.
You underestimate the potential for every two
@@christopherschlegel6412 If they go to a PDF/Online ruleset, then I think they'll do a new edition every 1 to 2 years. But they'd have to find a way to make you pay for it and also avoid piracy.
Or, just stick with the rules you like, or get off their hamster wheel?
I’m interested how different or simple Larg it will be to infinity or bolt action
this is great thanks Uncle Atom
Big Necromunda energy
First ruleset was never fleshed out that well. This new ruleset is a big step in the right direction.
Could not be more excited for the new Killteam.
So Uncle Atom is possibly a Psyker
I may actually try this version of Kill Team. Love Reign In Hell btw, great skirmish game!
Wow. GW finally leaves their archaic game stat mechanics behind.
I'm not sure you can waiting around to get this set, the rules certainly but I think they said this was going to be a limited release
Hmm what activations shud not be able to dublicate? I se NP whit only fight, shoot and run. CAn only se a limotatoin on some spec skills.
Some Uncle Atom before bed time, thanks for the late night release!
I like so much of what I am seeing, except how sooooo restrictive and limited list building looks like now :(
That’ll change as the edition develops.
Moving the depth of the game from list building to play on the tabletop seems like a win to me, especially if the simplification makes it harder for people to build bad lists and get stomped by players who know what they are doing.
I personally like it because the previous list building felt just as restrictive. Bring as many plasma-like weapons as possible, hide a cheap leader, and throw basic bodies for the rest was what felt like the only way to play after a very short period of time with the rules
@@christopherschlegel6412 I only played one game of KT way back when. My Primaris KT got wiped on turn 2 by Astra plasma spam. Wasn't a game, it was target practice. Never went back after that. Let's see how this new one goes.
With mixing detachments i dont think the lists are going to be much different tbh
Great overview, great enthusiasm, thank you for both. Can you please be psychic about Battlefleet Gothic, and announce it for... like... next week? Plz? ._.
Shoesize lol. Got me
Maybe different weapon may consume more action points to use ?
To balance out those power swords and plasma pistols to chain sword to bolt pistol
Perhaps lightweight equipment grants additional action points for the bearer?
It's looking like you're only getting a certain amount of special weapon bearing stat blocks. This isn't new obviously, but it looks like the strike team system of locked model types example: guards take 2 strike teams so 14 models to a single marine kill team of assumably 3-5 models. We'll see. Either way it means we can get a crazy amount of indepth variety for stats if they want.
So like 2- 7 man guard teams with 3 special weapons a team versus 4 marines with possibly 2-4 power weapons among the elite units.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some heavy weapons take two action points to fire
In power weapons like plasma may take a action to cool down before being shot agin or maybe bolt pistol
Would day for every attack option used with this weapon shoot twice
It’s interesting to see what operators with more point options can do compared to those in larger numbers with fewer
Like three guard all taking attack verse a marine with one attack but maybe marines may do certain actions twice
Who knows just rather exciting to see proper re-design.
I am worried about losing a few of my Bespoke Operatives but Not worried enough to think it super matters if out of 20 dudes I built for my marines I have to leave 3-4 Sitting on the shelf because a Vanguard Veteran with Jump Pack and Two Chainswords is not allowed in new KT. and Dude with Bolter and Stormshield isnt' either.
We just have to wait and see.
From how I get it fire team are model limits for types. Using the example on the GW website Imperial Guards consists of two fire team types. Guard and Scions . The Guard are a 7 model fire team whi,e the scion could be 5 model fire team. Which means at the moment imperial Guard could bring a fire team of 10 (2 scion fire teams) 12 (1 scion team and 1 Guard team) or 14 (2 Guard teams)
Using this example space marines may have many fire teams as they have 12 model types. Heavy Intercessors could be a fire team of 3 while Infiltrators could be a fire team of 5 or 6. And as space marines only get 1 fire team it could be more limiting.
I'm hoping that whatever they did with the Dominion box is what they do with the new KT box. I would love to get that set.
Good morning!
So, will it run smoother or not? (in your opinion)
As a long time Kill Team player (and still), I'm nervous about these changes, as this is SOO different. Certainly because these changes start to show how limited the options might be when compared to kill team 1.0. ie I can't run my Terminators anymore, or my Meganobs. The more they tease, the more nervous I get, especially because I'm not able to see all the rules as written and they are sharing rules, bit by bit.
You mean 2018 kill team yes? not Kill Team 1.0 that was Deathwatch and Tau and used the 7thed BRB and Codexes.
@@evileyeball that's right :) the 2018-2021 kill team (RIP)
@@GormanDev nothing dead about it.
I am so excited for the new one now. I always felt like the old one was limited away from much interesting by being too shackled to an old system built for big armies.
Keep knowing that upcoming content and GW will send a bug sweeper unit out to see what you have planted. Great stuff as always!
looks like a mix from mantic deadzone, the old mutant chronicle and some indie games from nordic weasel games. like !
Looks a lot like Star Breach now. Alternating activations are a required change to 40K to make it worth playing IMO.
New KT rules are super hype. About time it got its own rules.
I'm so excited for this, finally something to do with my bits and bobs of lots of armies.
As long as they don't fall into anything like the tactics creep of the current Killteam, I'm sold.
I really like the new system that I see so far. I feel it will streamline the game, making it more fast paced, I would love to see this system carried over to Be rounds (house rules?)
Great video very informative
I have never played 40K in any flavor, but have an interest in the models. This new game is going to entice me to actually buy it and start playing I think. The rules info sounds interesting and I can dabble in 40K without a big outlay of cash since the armies are small scale.
I want new chaos cultists since they got rid of them on the store
This is the first new box I've been excited for in a while and because it's the new KT base game i'm assuming and hoping it won't be part of their FOMO business model so we'll have a chance to actually grab one.
IIRC, they've already said the preorders for the box will be one-off. They may do an Indomitus-style where this box comes first, and then a smaller general box that's cheaper to produce comes later.
@@darkowl9 yeah i mean they have to have some base/starter set version of the new killteam but as you say they'll probably make a few cuts for that, less terrain, cheaper board/ box etc...
I'm a little nervous about the new Kill Team. If it's Warcry in 40K I'm happy. If it's some stupid return to 'You don't need points, just bring what you want!' I want out.
Check the Warcom page
@@labtec514 Frankly with how little we still know, it could go either way
Warcry was fine but didn't really have the depth that KT had, if this is basically warcry but with 40k models I'm out.
Have to agree with you on the depth of Warcry compared to KT, but let’s see what happens in August
"see a lot more of those big pointy gold boys"
Well, according to today, we'll be seeing two of them haha. Though really, they seem to be teams you have to beat on objectives