2 years after nuclear war: Who survives? | Annie Jacobsen and Lex Fridman
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Annie Jacobsen is an investigative journalist and author of "Nuclear War: A Scenario" and many other books on war, weapons, government secrecy, and national security.
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Guest bio: Annie Jacobsen is an investigative journalist and author of "Nuclear War: A Scenario" and many other books on war, weapons, government secrecy, and national security.
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10:00 10:00 10:00 10:00 💯💯💯💯
Me that's who..I survive me and mine...tik tok generation are breakfast and in fact anything born after 2000......😂....easy pickings...😂...probably do better than now 😂😂
Pli0lp
they will be no winter - there were no after first gulf war and vulcano eruptions
Keith Richards survives.
And nobody notices a difference 🙄 😁
😆best post of the day award 🏆
right?!!!🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
Nope
He’s indestructible 👍
This conversation should be on Fallout 5's pipboy radio
Fuck fallout. It's braindead Bethesda slop after fallout 2
Was thinking of getting Fallout 4 to try. I really liked the themes and stories, but NV was a little slow action wise for me. Is it still worth it?
@@Ziggy_ig8gd Yeah Fallout 4 is really awesome.
@@Ziggy_ig8gd Dude it's great. Fully worth it.
Some tiny bugs here and there you MIGHT encounter, but they've patched most things now. It's Bethesda so...
@@Ziggy_ig8gdfallout 4 feels way faster. You can sprint in 4 and it makes all the difference. Combat feels smoother as well
It isn't about who survives.
It's about who in their right mind would want to.
me would.. to survive after.. it's not all out scale nuclear though, some would be able to escape the disaster, those living up the mountain..
"Right mind" ? That's funny - what you're suggesting is that you'd rather DIE or maybe commit SUICIDE, instead of living. That sounds "crazy", in my opinion. People in the Southern Hemisphere have a MUCH better chance of survival - since the number of "target zones" there is small (mainly Australia).
@@elvishamilton9308No food, clean water, beer, drugs for centuries. No cars,, TV or Walmart.
@@ViceCoinAnd other survivors who would really like to take what you have left
@@elvishamilton9308 The idea yes but in reality 'NO' lol
At this point, if Aliens came and took me away, I’d consider it a rescue mission. 🛸
Lol 😂
@@mas7833 Yeah, and they'd carry a book called To Serve Man...
It’s crazy to think that aliens might be the only ones to saves us from old men destroying the planet
Who's to say they would want you? Or me, for that matter.
I’m in
What lex said about people forgetting everything after a nuclear war.I can recommend a book called a Canticle for Leibowitz. It is SF book about a small group of monks keeping knowledge safe after nuclear war. The saying people who forget history are doomed to repeat it applies to this book.
I read that book many years ago. It was strange and beautiful in a terrifying way, but now seems eerily prophetic. I'm going to dig out my copy and re-read it, thanks for the reminder.
Thor’s Hammer, Earth Abides, and Anathem. All good books that wrestle with this idea to varying degrees.
I remember reading "Earth Abides", which was a very good read, but I'm not familiar with the other two. Thanks for the recommendation.@@andrewcampbell7011
@@martinellis7156 .. Exactly the reply I was going to make.
People who REMEMBER history are doomed to repeat it. You get what you focus on.
The human survivors will be the descendants of the people who pressed the buttons, that survived in their mega bunkers.
No one survives
You got that right.
South America, most of Africa, and most of South East Asia won’t even be targeted. There won’t be any fires there and low levels of radiation. It is Europe, North America and North Asia that will be devastated.
Argentina, chile, Australia and NZ will probably survive quite easily the nuclear winter. Humanity wont be back to stone age so easily, sadly i think i nuclear war will happen. But we need to understand that doesn't matter the conflicts today, the pain, the suffering, the revenge, the power struggle, etc. It wont even be on the same scale compared to what we are going to loose if the war happens
Why those specific countries?
My silver lining: I'm no longer worried about that approaching job interview with the manager for Chick-fil-A.
lol.
Lazy
So how'd it go? Slinging chicken sandwiches already?
This chick must be a hit at parties
"ma'am I asked if u wanted some mashed potatoes..."
Heyyyoo high five. ✋ bro drrrrr
bugman love her voice
@@etfacetimehome"Please read my book first".
Not all knowledge is happy news; in this case it’s just a possible possibility.
This podcast was so uplifting 😂
😂
I found it heartwarming.
😂😂
I was feeling down but now I'm all smiles 😊
Honestly, It Just Melted All My Fears Away.
I lived during the era of ducking under our desks in school when we had civil defense practice. I remember as a 4th grader thinking that this is silly, this desk isn’t going to do anything. (Maybe it was a fantastical desk with properties unbeknown to me.) I’ve never even worried about nuclear war, if it happens it happens. I’ve always liked the quote from general Thomas ‘Stonewall’ Jackson when queried if he was a afraid to die: "Captain, my religious belief teaches me to feel as safe in battle as in bed. God has fixed the time for my death. I do not concern myself about that, but to be always ready, no matter when it may overtake me. That is the way all men should live, and then all would be equally brave."
Great comment! I remember being forced to duck under my desk in grade school in the 1950s even though my school was literally 1 mile from the pentagon. I remember thinking, “they might miss, but not this bad.”
We had leaded Curtains in our Classroom?
We put the drill time to good use. We had farting contests. Good times.
Guess we’re about to find out
The theory predicting nuclear winter has long since been proven wrong.
Take a drink every time she says ‘right’.
Im wasted.. again
Im fucced up
She has a beautiful voice
Right????
“Please read my book first”
Also that 👌 I would like for her to sing Betty Davis eyes.....
Sounds like a frog that smokes. You been smokin with her? 😂
Her voice is definitely a pleasure... now if she could curb how often she says "riiight".
I actually watched another video recently where a different scientist walked back the nuclear winter theory, saying they now know from volcanoes and the like that the particles cannot stay in the air long enough to cause a winter that long. But they deliberately didn't downplay their earlier claims as they want humanity to remain terrified (as we should be!) of a full nuclear exchange.
100%. The real danger is from a disruption in ammonia production and distribution, along with phosphates, because we can’t support a population of 8 billion without multiple harvests, which isn’t possible without constant replenishment of nitrogen in the soil. It’s this 1970s doom gloom crap that prevents us from focusing on the true ramifications of a nuclear conflict, and preparing accordingly.
It’s all a theory . And it’s so annoying that ppl will not admit it. Smh
Also the assumption of all of these fire storms is bullshit. This same group of scientists made some very grave predictions when Saddam Hussein set the Kuwaiti oil wells alight and had egg on their faces when they didn't happen.
And? No one truly knows how it will fully pan out, but even if it doesnt lead to the worst outcomes, many millions will die. The top level of how bad doesnt even matter as much since even the least outcome is utterly terrible.
Regardless of what might or might not happen, it would be wise to have a backup plan in the Southern Hemisphere. Most weapons will impact in the North.
Loved this episode. Anne is a great guest. I could listen all day
Hi Anna , I have just ordered your book from Amazon .
That was a frightening talk with Lex but you still came up with a positive post script.
God bless , thank you.
Anna: "Mission accomplished."
And this is at least one plausible reason for The Great Silence. Most civilizations of intelligence destroy themselves.
Yes, if you check out "Great Filter" on Wikipedia, you can read more about this hypothesis.
I heard Brian Cox say that there is overwhelming evidence that we are alone.
@@BillKurn I just completely reject that theory. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Just as a small example of this - If you were to look in a puddle of water in an oasis in the desert, and try and find abundant life, you wouldn't find any... Would you?? Because you aren't looking in the right place, which might be many hundreds or thousands of miles away in a forest, or grassland which would be teeming with life..
Just one small example....
Or the distances are so great that we cannot pick anything up, and any signal we send out is absolutely nothing in terms of power.
By the time it gets anywhere of note its garbled static. Couple that with all the other noise of the universe its like trying to have a personal conversation at a airport in NYC with someone in London.
I Think That's Plausible, And Yet So Tragic.
Side Note. Trent Reznor Bought Me A Book For My 11th Birthday, In New Orleans... Because He's An Ex Uncle Something Something Something. NIN Is 🤌
Great episode to kick back and watch w the fam!
So soothing.
Just when the Jets get Aaron Rogers.
I thought the dem’s were getting him?
@@marions.120 womp womp 🤪
Hahaha hah hahaha
Best comment 😂😂😂😂
The song Wonderwall will probably not be forgotten.
Maybe
I'd already forgotten.
Man, that last quote was so good.
OK, that final line she said blew my mind
Hopefully I’m at ground zero when the bombs drop, won’t even realize what happened 😅
The shock and dread of figuring out how to survive would do you in, a most miserable condition to be in before you die.
Real
I'd rather fight to live, than surrender to death.
I bet a lot of people would take their lives from despair. Knowing that billions had been nuked and that the world you’ve known is now fuckin dead. Dark stuff.
The only adults in the room are at the Kremlin: The West has escalated the proxy war in Ukraine to nearly intolerable limits for Russia.
"After us, Silence." 💪💪💪
Göbekli Tepe isn't the oldest settlement found, but it sure has some of the best stone work and craftsmanship by far. Going along with Annie's theme that mankind has been nearly wiped out before and rebuilt from there, is a place called Ohalo II - which is 23,000 years old - while nowhere near as sophisticated as Göbekli Tepe (12,000 years old), Karahan Tepe (11,400 years), Boncuklu Tarla (12,000 years), or other sites, it does show that humans are very adaptable and can survive just about anything - even near extinction. If you really want to see how far back they have found hunter/gatherer sites, check out the 476,000 year old structure at Kalambo Falls, in Zambia.
The last sentence, gave me chills...
**Earth's only remaining inhabitant**
Chuck Norris: "Peace, at last"
Tough first date.
At least lex finally went on one. Bout time. Attaboy
I can't wait for her stand up tour
The reality is we forget about stuff like this is possible and it’s hard to hear
Do we suspend reality because it is so terrible we cannot remain sane unless we lie to ourselves 😢?
@@scottstrand1874
Do you mean
as in..
Ignorance is bliss
And to think about it.. down that way madness lies
I don’t understand why anyone would want to survive nuclear ☢️ war
Beats not surviving
@@bobanmilisavljevic7857 To play golf off an aircraft carrier and to drive round in a sports car with my dog avoiding zombies.
i dont even want to survive modern life, as it is.
Because there's more to life than a good cell signal.
I don't understand how weak people like yourself would want to die just because you can't live the soft life you have now.
Gee, I hope I can still use my pool.
This is my favorite episode to date. What a brilliant mind she is.
"using modern calculate systems" ... It will be very interesting to see such system, how it is modeled to predict the temperature drop in nuclear winter scenario? Asking this question as a beginner data scientist.
Dont know about that 10 year time frame.
That meteor impact was equivalent to millions of nukes going off, and they estimate that the sun was blocked for months and not years.
This calculations and simulations about nuclear war are created to instill fear on people, and for good reasons. But the sun being blocked for 10 years by nucelar winter is complete fiction. The meteor impact was far greater than any nuclear war made by humans in 2024. And life survived. The idea that this would wipe humans from Earth is ridiculous. Humans survived as a hunther-gatherer species for as long as we are homo sapiens.
The global temperatures plummeted for years after the strike.
Last I read it was 2 years of darkness/reduced sunlight after the meteor impact wiped out most life ~66 million years ago. Plankton and other "nano" organisms reemerged within a few months, but it took at least 30,000 years for more complex life to bounce back. 10 million years for the Earth to fully recover.
Most scientists have concluded that sunlight was blocked out for at least 2 years. Plankton and other "nano" life reemerged within months of the asteroid impact, but complex life took at least 30,000 years to bounce back. Earth took 10 million years to fully recover.
Your assumption is made upon one nuclear bomb...if someone launched one, they wouldn't stop at just one.
Include in that, the response nukes.
…we gotta get Friedman a change of clothes.
At least a tie!
I visualize Lex's closet being a perfectly arranged hanging row of about a dozen black suits and white shirts. All immaculate, and in a perfectly straight and even row...
Pretty sure that's not all that far from the truth. imho anyway.
We will give him a new look 🥸✅
Doesn’t matter what he is wearing, Its actually better that we can assume what he is going to wear, so we can concentrate on what he has to say.
😂😂😂
I highly reccomend the book, The Rats.
Ill guess will find out very soon
The only people who will survive will either be the people who prepared and had some kind of shelter in a remote location well stocked with food/water or the people who are capable of the violence required to take from the ones who are prepared.
No. It all depends on how many weapons are used, where they strike, and so on. You can’t really make great predictions. I also wouldn’t trust the doom and gloom troop either, like this lady.
The problem you’re going to have is, the world runs on ammonia. No ammonia means no fertilizer. And you can’t sustain a population of 8 billion people without multiple crop harvests, which can’t exist without fertilizer. Any disruption in ammonia production or its global distribution will become problematic. This is the real culprit for mass starvation.
And the people in the southern hemisphere
Marc Zuckerberg will be snug as a bug underground in Hawaii.
@johnsenetto7935
Maybe, but I'm not sure he qualifies as people
@@ryancammerwhy are you mentioning 8 billion people for !! There won’t be 8 billion people left on the planet after nuclear war. If you’ve survived the blast and fallout after a few months and you’re still alive you just need to hunker down and keep doing what you’re doing. The possibilities for scavenging would be huge empty homes and still standing supermarkets would sustain you and your small family for long enough provided you have water and lots of tinned goods. I think your main concern would be other humans and anarchy.
I am so scared now. I think I will buy her book and watch Lex more.
Haven't seem that book in years!
Thank you. Danke.
Born in 1950…the significance of the sheer magnitude I was privileged to witness, right up to and including putting on an Apple Vision Pro , which reminded me of the scene in space odyssey 2001 , where the caveman hurls the bone into the sky and it transmutes into the space age….same now?…..but then the paradox of this nuclear winter….and both my wife conclude….fuck it! we have enjoyed the ride , and if these assholes running the planet decide on this futile strategy….then mankind deserves the consequences…. Wow….is there life after death was always an interesting question to ponder…..but life after this lunacy….forget it!
Is there nothing you love about humanity? Maybe you should zoom out a little. Most of the world is innocent.
@@thzzzt Correct. Good Hearted, Kind, Compassionate, Creative, Humorous, Determined & Completely Worth Saving In My Absolutely Humble Opinion.
No nuke war needed. We have already baked in a mass extinction.
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*Experts Say Humanity Faces a Grim and “Ghastly Future” - State of Planet Is Much Worse Than Most People Understand*
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"A loss of biodiversity and accelerating climate change in the coming decades coupled with ignorance and inaction is threatening the survival of all species, including our very own, according to the experts from institutions including Stanford University, UCLA, and Flinders University.
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The researchers state that world leaders need a ‘cold shower’ regarding the state of our environment, both to plan and act to avoid a ghastly future.
.uthor Professor Corey Bradshaw of Flinders University in Australia says he and his colleagues have summarized the state of the natural world in stark form to help clarify the gravity of the human predicament.
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“Humanity is causing a rapid loss of biodiversity and, with it, Earth’s ability to support complex life. But the mainstream is having difficulty grasping the magnitude of this loss, despite the steady erosion of the fabric of human civilization” Professor Bradshaw says.
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“In fact, the scale of the threats to the biosphere and all its lifeforms is so great that it is difficult to grasp for even well-informed experts.
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“The problem is compounded by ignorance and short-term self-interest, with the pursuit of wealth and political interests stymying the action that is crucial for survival,”
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scitechdaily.com/experts-say-humanity-faces-a-grim-and-ghastly-future-state-of-planet-is-much-worse-than-most-people-understand/
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*The Scientific Case for NTHE (Near-Term Human Extinction): Reviewing the Evidence*
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" Direct mortal effects of climate change include heat waves, which have already caused thousands of human deaths by a combination of heat and humidity (wet-bulb temperature >35°C, such that the human body is physically unable to cool itself with perspiration).
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Intermediate causes of death (between direct and indirect) involve crop failures, droughts, flooding, extreme weather, wildfires, and rising seas.
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Extinction is the complete disappearance of a species from Earth. The predominant cause of extinction is loss of habitat.
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medium.com/@kconne/the-scientific-case-for-near-term-human-extinction-nthe-reviewing-the-evidence-2e5b8a12da26
There is a highly likely chance a bunch of people in Nepal don’t even notice.
They'll notice when there's no sun for 10 years and they're starving.
They'll notice the missiles flying overhead
Nepal is on the nuclear target list of the US.
@@deonwalker6270 You been watching too many movies.
@@jeffreysommer3292 That is the way of Americans. They do lots of things that makes no sense in order to demonstrate their hegemony.
War never changes..
The system of the earth is so complex we can’t even reliably predict the weather, nobody knows what 2 years after nuclear war would be, but my guess is it would be worse than anything we could predict or imagine.
Sorry to hear that
Makes me think of the book The Road
….and the movie The Road.💥🔥
@@franciscopagan3255 LOL, I live in [North] Braddock, PA, blocks away from where the natural sets of ruined buildings were used to shoot parts of The Road. These buildings were abandoned for years as a result of the decline of the Steel Belt into the Rust Belt. Braddock already looks apocalyptic.
Fascinating yet frightening beyond belief. May we save us from our ourselves.
Chilling
8:34 read A Canticle For Leibowitz
Glad I’m not the only one who thought of that.
@@Pteromandias Me, too! Also, read The Rediscovery of Man by Cordwainer Smith!
Ditto! 👍
"Who survives?" Should consider " Who wants to survive?"
I would, why not, I mean I live way on the southern hemisphere
There is no want associated with it. This is life. It finds a way. You will either die when it happens or you will survive
Me
Me, I'd be looking for Mad Maxx
No nuke war needed. We have already baked in a mass extinction.
.....
*Experts Say Humanity Faces a Grim and “Ghastly Future” - State of Planet Is Much Worse Than Most People Understand*
.
"A loss of biodiversity and accelerating climate change in the coming decades coupled with ignorance and inaction is threatening the survival of all species, including our very own, according to the experts from institutions including Stanford University, UCLA, and Flinders University.
.
The researchers state that world leaders need a ‘cold shower’ regarding the state of our environment, both to plan and act to avoid a ghastly future.
.uthor Professor Corey Bradshaw of Flinders University in Australia says he and his colleagues have summarized the state of the natural world in stark form to help clarify the gravity of the human predicament.
.
“Humanity is causing a rapid loss of biodiversity and, with it, Earth’s ability to support complex life. But the mainstream is having difficulty grasping the magnitude of this loss, despite the steady erosion of the fabric of human civilization” Professor Bradshaw says.
.
“In fact, the scale of the threats to the biosphere and all its lifeforms is so great that it is difficult to grasp for even well-informed experts.
.
“The problem is compounded by ignorance and short-term self-interest, with the pursuit of wealth and political interests stymying the action that is crucial for survival,”
.
scitechdaily.com/experts-say-humanity-faces-a-grim-and-ghastly-future-state-of-planet-is-much-worse-than-most-people-understand/
...........................
.
*The Scientific Case for NTHE (Near-Term Human Extinction): Reviewing the Evidence*
.
" Direct mortal effects of climate change include heat waves, which have already caused thousands of human deaths by a combination of heat and humidity (wet-bulb temperature >35°C, such that the human body is physically unable to cool itself with perspiration).
.
Intermediate causes of death (between direct and indirect) involve crop failures, droughts, flooding, extreme weather, wildfires, and rising seas.
.
Extinction is the complete disappearance of a species from Earth. The predominant cause of extinction is loss of habitat.
.
medium.com/@kconne/the-scientific-case-for-near-term-human-extinction-nthe-reviewing-the-evidence-2e5b8a12da26
Wow, she pronounced "Ö" extremely well! 5:33
Going to sleep listening to this, waking up and watching The fallout series, and it hits a little different.😮
Next they're be complaining about global cooling in the news everyday 🙄
They did that in the late 70s.
Great input, guy
Whos they?
Kinda like they did in the 70's 😂😂😂
There was already an article about how a small nuclear conflict could "fix" global warming.
And then when you hear about celebrities building the bunkers. That shits is more scary than anything I can imagine
Zuckerberg spent $1/4B on a compound on one of the smaller Hawaiian islands recently...
Is that photo of the wishing tree true? Are we to think it is still standing (only 20’) still? The tree in the photo around the 9:20 mark.
sheesh. she on a roll, name-dropping. glad this could come to light
Except the climate models don't even predict climate, so how can they predict nuclear winter?
Lollll you’re not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?
They can't get the weather right two days out but they know what will happen? A climate scientist is a person too useless to bet an actual job in any industry.
@@mikehuntsmells4309You should probably research the success and accuracy of climate models before you accuse someone of being "dull". NONE of the models have been able to reliably predict anything because they're incomplete and based on flawed data and assumptions. There are plenty of datasets and charts that show the predictions from various models over the past 30-40 years vs the ACTUAL observations and measurements, and they're not even close.
Because ice core samples provide thorough evidence of what happens to the Earth's climate when the atmosphere is inundated with heavy ash.
@@force_majeure4070 Many have been accurate when accounting for a rise in the burning of fossil fuels. Depends which models you're referencing and which variables they use.
When Jacobsen states "12k years ago hunter-gatherers came together to build Gobekli Tepi" her credibility drops to zero. The immense unheeding mindlessness. Then we realize Annie is bending reality to fit her imagination, rather than the opposite.
Elaborate?
@@robbieclark7828because Gobekli Tepi was constructed with advanced architectural design. It was also deliberately buried ~12k years ago. Hunter-gathers would not be capable of this. A higher civilization is suspected.
@@robbieclark7828 Prior advanced civilizations destroyed through cataclysm, natural or man made. Like Pompei, but far older. Their artifacts that can survive over 10,000 years are made of stone. Enough said.
We do have control of our future. Think positive thoughts ❤️
This is my first time properly watching Lex Fridman content and I am honestly astounded he became as successful as he has.
Check his early life...
@@blackieblack How would that change my opinion of him being a stuttering, mealy mouthed, intellectually stunted human being?
@@blackieblack You saying his career got a boost from his ethnic connections? ;)
Paul Ehrlich has never been right. That was a really bad choice for a co-author. I would have thought Carl Sagan would have been way too smart for that mistake.
Sagan also messed up on Venus and it’s supposed greenhouse effect. Rho x g x h
Yeah, when I saw David's name, it really reduced my faith in the theories regarding the entire scenario
@@ThePeachtree69wut? Please elaborate. Venus does have an extreme greenhouse effect.
@@TheSperbonzowho is David?
Could this already have happened before already????!!???
Yes.
Ever since i was a kid my mom always believed it has,as she would say; “nothing new under the sun”
I doubt it.
@@iShowUnusualBehaviorthat is a quote from the Bible.
She said 1000, 1500 weapons.. there are over 10,000 multiple megaton warheads between Russia & the States. She's thinking were only going to detonate 1500.. 😂
At least for one brief period shareholder value increased
The description of the bombs stopping after 72 min is inaccurate given that the subs launch 3-days after they lose contact. Not that this steps away from the thrust of her assertions.
Wealthy preppers have underground bunkers already set up to survive for years after such an event. They inherit the earth and eventually restart society above ground once it’s viable to do so. All of the present knowledge is saved in these bunkers as well.
😂😂and what are they going to pay the security forces they’ve hired to protect them with?😂😂 If you were an ex Navy Seal and hired on to protect a billionaire and his/her family, what are you going to accept as payment? Most of these elites are unbearable assholes. Are you willing to put up with their crap for a LOOOOOONG TIME, underground, and in close quarters?
Do you know why the US government stop building shelters for the Public? Because they knew it wasn't realistic to survive underground for more than a few months and the top soil would be so irradiated it would take tens of thousands of years to recover to grow crops for human consumption, or would require massive genetic mutations to allow us to live with massive radiation. Where humans would look like the Morlocks in the old Movie "Time Machine".
Right there is a reason the navy puts you through a shitload of psych evaluations to be on a submarine. People tend to go nutty in enclosed spaces.
All those weapons and auditory hallucinations won't mix well. There is going to be a lot of wild shit in those bunkers.
Some part of me hopes there's a heaven where I get to watch rich people who needed psych meds to get through their commute in the Range Rover transported with all that cash into a bunker they can't leave with no Amazon Prime.
I hope it never happens but the guys who think they're prepping are delusional.
Hm.
@@IronskullGM you’re assuming 100% of all the land in the world would be unusable, and that none of the underground bunkers are located in areas minimally affected by the nukes. Also the technology at the time the government was building bunkers has dramatically changed.
You can learn all this from one simple film called Threads
I'm glad someone mentioned Threads. Remember when the baby is born at the end? That sums it all up.
@@andrewweber2010 truly the scariest film ever made.
That is my favorite movie ever
@@patrickk6331it's not that bad really they seemed to be enjoying themself after the nuclear annihilation
Where can i watch that movie ???
Love her voice
What a topic to talk about, I'm glad I'm on the short list now at my age of living. Good luck living if you make it
Toons nuclear winter theory has been highly controversial he takes fudges the numbers to get the outcome he wants.
Like All The Other Models.
You Have To Input The Information You Expect To See And Watch It Progress. If You Put Your Will In, Your Will Be Done, Yes? Amen.
I think not so much controversial as proven false. This guy now claiming that things would be worse is just bullshit.
Right….? Right? …..right? ….right?….
I like to listen to this just before bed.
I just heard this podcast wow. How devastating I am floored Godspeed All
Southern hemisphere would be largely unaffected you northerners would be screeeeeewed.
There are a few misleading points being made here.
You cannot compare the ash and soot frim a nuclear war to that of, say the end of the Cretaceous event. The latter ejected many orders of magnitude more ash and soot than the former ever could. Its just not comparable.
That much smaller level of soot and ash, which would be much lower in the atmosphere than the ejecta from a meteor or comet impact, will not travel easily into the Southern Hemisphere. In vast areas of that reguon, and lijely almost all if it, you would barely be able to tell that a nuclear war had occurred apart from the collapse of the economy.
Therefore, human knowledge and civilization, though badly damaged, would continue uninterrupted. Thousands of libraries and hundreds of universities and colleges exist in the Southern Hemisphere that would be untouched.
Untouched infrastructure bereft of humanity which is too busy starving to read.
I live in Cape Town so that's good news.
Facts! I've read this too. Much of the nuclear winter modelling is based on the nuclear stocks of the 1960s to the 1980s assuming most warheads are used i.e. many tens of thousands. Further, only two nuclear weapons have been used on population centers - Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Most buildings in those cities were constructed from wood. They were basically vast tinder boxes. Most modern European, American, Middle Eastern and Far East cities are constructed from concrete and metal. You are spot on about the dynamics of the expanse of the ash in the atmosphere. Much less will reach the stratosphere, therefore, it will not stay around for years. There are other theories that posit that, because many modern weapons are a lower yield than in the past, considering the remaining stocks that not all of them will be used, and the fact that less matter will be in the atmosphere, depending on the scale of the nuclear exchange, civilisation will fully recover within 3-10 years.
Gulf War 1 put more soot into the air due to oil fires than was predicted to be put into the air by a full nuclear war, and not much happened to the weather.
Argentina would replace the United States as a global hegemon.
I left school end 1967 and I wrote an essay about Nuclear Winter. It was already spoken about then?
I'm just imagining survivors, years after the war, talking about today (right now) as if it were myth. Like: "There was a time you could talk to someone on the other side of the planet within seconds with just a few buttons."
Research has shown that Australia and NZ would be relatively unaffected since most of the nuclear fallout would occur in the northern hemisphere and these two island nations with relatively small populations will likely have enough food and water for their people.
In the previous clip she said that 5B people will die meaning 3B people will survive so thats not exactly civilisational collapse. There will be enough ppl left to continue human civilisation.
Yea but do we really want Australia to be the savior of humanity 😂
@@121monkey216 Are you sure? I can see Russia/North Korea razing USA, Canada, Europe, Australia, Japan, South Korea. The safest places will be South America and South of the African continent. Maybe China would stay neutral.
1st. Where can we see this research . Please
2nd. Australia has "facilities" that make them a target too
Once the hydrogen bombs were tested
It was realised that should they be used
That's it...
Life on Earth is gone.
No nation will be unaffected by nuclear war 😂. Even if some large parts of Africa don't get hit, they solely rely on foreign aid now to survive, so they'd starve/die from illness the minute Europe, America and most of Asia has be destroyed Aanyway 🤷🏼♂️.
The world had a little over 3B population when I was born. 7 years later we landed men on the moon. We went from Bronze Age to space travel and gene editing in a little over 3,000 years.
Haven’t we already detonated over 2000 nukes on earth? Obviously not over 72 minutes…. But we are already living on a planet that’s survived thousands of nuclear explosions.
you must be your parents crown jewel pride
just on remote testing ranges, underground and in the ocean. its the huge fires burning in cities and surrounding woodlands that will create the tonnes of ash that will block the sun and wipe out all life.
Nukes detonated in uninhabited areas spaced out over decades isnt what shes talking about. Shes talking about thousands of nukes hitting every major city within an hour.
Take it easy on him. He's from Canada
Im not trying to be mean. Did you watch the video? She literally states that a contributing factor to nuclear winter is the burning cities and land, basically like standing next to a trash fire but the whole world. Do you think in our nuclear tests weve burned entire cities and continents? If you heard all that and you still dont get it you should be the bigger man and stop having opinions bc ur ability to absorb information is limited at best.
Genuine question here. Didn't Australia in 2019 have vast amounts of soot? How long did it stay in the atmosphere?
Nothing like that discussed here. Australia has had bushfires larger than 2019 but without the level of news coverage of 2019, when it was attributed to climate change.
The oil fires of Gulf War I debunked the theory of nuclear winter. Far more soot than predicted for nuclear war, and barely any effect on the weather.
The 1991 eruption of Mount Pinatubo in the Philippines' Luzon Volcanic Arc was the second-largest volcanic eruption of the 20th century. It created a volcanic winter that reduced the sunlight hitting the earth by about 10%. Less than 1,000 people died, mostly from the ash accumulating on roofs and causing them to cave in.
These nuclear war theorists should bother looking at some real empirical data.
A profoundly brutal yet honest conversation. Thank you and Bravo, Lex. Well done indeed.
Keith Richard's will survive
she moonlights at hallmark😀
Pasco man found on Columbia River was dated 40-50,000 years old. They have also found Mammoth bones not far from that same place. Central Washington State. We know absolutely nothing about the past truly .
Beltway needs to hear this.
Yeah.... so does the Kremlin and of coursechairman xiii.
And its not just the temp drop... everyone could just fire up their old coal fired plants . Its without sunlight the chlorophyll food chain collapses. And takes a long time to reestablish.
Want to know what would persist? Read Canticle for Liebowitz.
Which at the end also shows what got forgotten.
The skies will clear in a few days ..
I’m not so sure. Volcanoes could have been the reason for the dark ages. Almost nothing grew ,mass die off, the evidence is in multiple places. .one being studies of tree growth rings.do some research.
This is total theory .
Theory? We're all dead
It’s total theory….so far.
Glad you said it. It’s a money grab for the book. Smh
Thank you for clarifying that I thought she was describing a historical event that actually happened an was documented.
@@jamesdelaney3797 I’m very much alive.
Depends where you are when it kicks off. Some folks wont ever miss a beat.
No nuke war needed. We have already baked in a mass extinction.
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*Experts Say Humanity Faces a Grim and “Ghastly Future” - State of Planet Is Much Worse Than Most People Understand*
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"A loss of biodiversity and accelerating climate change in the coming decades coupled with ignorance and inaction is threatening the survival of all species, including our very own, according to the experts from institutions including Stanford University, UCLA, and Flinders University.
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The researchers state that world leaders need a ‘cold shower’ regarding the state of our environment, both to plan and act to avoid a ghastly future.
.uthor Professor Corey Bradshaw of Flinders University in Australia says he and his colleagues have summarized the state of the natural world in stark form to help clarify the gravity of the human predicament.
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“Humanity is causing a rapid loss of biodiversity and, with it, Earth’s ability to support complex life. But the mainstream is having difficulty grasping the magnitude of this loss, despite the steady erosion of the fabric of human civilization” Professor Bradshaw says.
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“In fact, the scale of the threats to the biosphere and all its lifeforms is so great that it is difficult to grasp for even well-informed experts.
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“The problem is compounded by ignorance and short-term self-interest, with the pursuit of wealth and political interests stymying the action that is crucial for survival,”
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scitechdaily.com/experts-say-humanity-faces-a-grim-and-ghastly-future-state-of-planet-is-much-worse-than-most-people-understand/
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*The Scientific Case for NTHE (Near-Term Human Extinction): Reviewing the Evidence*
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" Direct mortal effects of climate change include heat waves, which have already caused thousands of human deaths by a combination of heat and humidity (wet-bulb temperature >35°C, such that the human body is physically unable to cool itself with perspiration).
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Intermediate causes of death (between direct and indirect) involve crop failures, droughts, flooding, extreme weather, wildfires, and rising seas.
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Extinction is the complete disappearance of a species from Earth. The predominant cause of extinction is loss of habitat.
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medium.com/@kconne/the-scientific-case-for-near-term-human-extinction-nthe-reviewing-the-evidence-2e5b8a12da26
I’m gonna end up buying ALL of this woman’s books
I'm skeptical of these claims.
I don't think she takes into account that the southern hemisphere will be largely untouched by even an all-out nuclear war where everyone launches everything. Argentina, Brazil, New Zealand, and Australia, and the countries in the southern part of Africa. Likely Indonesia and many ASEAN nations would be on the fringe of the climate effects and could restart agriculture sooner than in the north.
So to answer the question, how many people could the farms in these regions support. I think that would answer the question. Civilization would not disappear, and think it would start to rebuild from the countries in the southern hemisphere.
It would be a rather interesting but grim simulation to do.
China becomes the dominant superpower
I think there are bases in those regions so the discussion of an all out nuclear exchange would likely include regions near the places youve listed too as the retaliatory strikes as every nuclear power attacks the other.
ASEAN
You assume that the nuclear forces will only fire on each other. In the end game scenario those countries will have policies that if we are not going to survive this, then why should any other country go untouched. Even under developed nations would likely see their major cities bombed. With about 14,000 nukes in the world there will be plenty to go around.
I don't think radioactive atmospheric soot would respect those boundaries.
Oh come on. It’s not that bad.
Yes it is, look it up
i can listen to her voice forever
They didn’t discuss the heading of the topic.
“Who survives” ?
Yes people would survive in humanity would return, hopefully without social media😂
Yes no more narcissistic tiktok dancing
Only Snap Chat survives...
Nuclear winter could be great for global warming though, right?
Good point. What level of atmospheric CO2 would it take to covert nuclear winter to springtime? Remember increased CO2 increases plant growth.
Where’s VaultTech when we need em?
Starting to feel like 1983 again ....if only the music was as good 😊