Why Did It Break? 1,500 Round PSA Dagger Review
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- čas přidán 7. 03. 2022
- Intro Music by Karl Casey The Palmetto State Armory Dagger went through 1,500 rounds and had issues. This pistol is the same pistol that has been circulating with other CZcamsrs and now has over 10,000 rounds through it. I will talk about everything that happened and my thoughts of the pistol in this video.
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PSA passed this Dagger with 1,000 rounds of free ammo from CZcams reviewer to reviewer ... Pew Pew Tactical → Elfster's Rifles and Reloading → 704 Tactical → Hank Strange → Tactical Toolbox → Beyond Seclusion → ??? → Fit'n Fire.
This definitely appears to be the same Dagger frame initially reviewed by Pew Pew Tactical and posted to CZcams on June 3, 2021 ... serial number FG010614.
Beyond Seclusion posted the most recent CZcams review on September 30, 2021. You posted your CZcams review on March 8, 2022 ... over five months later. When did you first take possession of the Dagger?
I was under the impression the round count was at 7,500 rounds at the completion of Beyond Seclusion's review. Did someone review the Dagger between Beyond Seclusion and you?
At one point, complete Dagger pistols and frames were exhibiting the Trigger Reset Function Check Failure. PSA redesigned the Dagger trigger in order to address the issue. It's believed that (at a minimum) PSA bent the sear of the cruciform up slightly in order to improve sear engagement. The Dagger you initially reviewed certainly wouldn't have had this design change. I suspect the sear engagement was well less than 100% to begin with (June 2021) and this simply became an issue over time (and 10,000 rounds). I suspect, had the Dagger had the newest trigger to begin with, it likely would have exceeded 10,000 rounds.
Thanks for watching! I received the Dagger just after the beginning of November. Between getting out to the range, the issues we had, the holidays, COVID, and getting this video out…that accounts for the delays. In addition, here is the email explaining who has had it…
“Here are the links to the articles for the description on your video so that folks can follow it from the beginning. You are starting at 8500 rds and taking it to 9500rds. Through Hank’s video, nothing has been replaced. Between Hank (5500rds) and Tactical Toolbox, we replaced the Guide Rod Assembly under normal maintenance. NOTHING else has been replaced on it.
czcams.com/video/9-6I534Tctk/video.html - PewPewTactical
czcams.com/video/EAdnlro9QT0/video.html - Elfsters Rifles and Reloading
czcams.com/video/vshW162mRj0/video.html - 704 Tactical
czcams.com/video/8GY10VsYgYk/video.html - Hank Strange
czcams.com/video/E8Yn3lXUncw/video.html - Tactical Toolbox
czcams.com/video/dzTtxYnQAsU/video.html - Beyond Seclusion
Good insight on the redesign of the trigger. I agree that the newer one may have had a positive impact.
@@FitnFire That's interesting. On September 30, 2021 Beyond Seclusion (from his CZcams video description) said, "The Dagger has been a long time coming, was it worth the wait? Let's review the Dagger after 7,500 rds. I tested 8 different brands of ammo and accuracy with 4 different types of mags including a drum from 10 yards to 100. It had 6,500 rds through it when it came to me (see links below)." So it's a little unclear to me how it got from 7,500 rounds when it left Beyond Seclusion to 8,500 rounds when you received it. It's not terribly important. I just thought given the five month gap and the "missing" 1,000 rounds that someone else may have reviewed it. No big deal.
@@wickedbeernut I don’t believe there has been anyone else. I have had it longer than usual due to all the different things happening
@@FitnFire Understood.
Here’s a great resource for Dagger information.
palmettodagger.com/
There are no sales only information
I got my Dagger last week. Trigger was as expected haha but still okay. I fired 100 rounds of blazer brass 124 grain. No misfires or failure of any kind. Another 100 rounds of Tula 115 grain aluminum casings. No firing issues period. Trigger pin hasn’t moved in 200 shots as other have complained about. So far this gun has exceeded my expectations in every way. For a $320 pistol “with night sights” it’s actually very impressive. Thank you for your video, it was very educational. Hope my comment helped those on the fence about getting one. Also note I was using magpul 15, 17 and 27 round magazines. All feed perfectly as expected from Magpul.
Thanks for watching!
So after 8000xp I unlock the binary trigger?? Sweet!
🤣🤣🤣
I do own a PSA Dagger, however, I have been following the trials and tribulations of that particular pistol, 11.500 rounds later, I"am nothing short of impressed, very little in the ways of wear and tear on that pistol for as many rounds fired, parts replacement at that many fired is not unusual for less rounds fired on other pistols, for a economical piece I"am indeed impressed. Most people who buy one will never in their life time put that many rounds through it anyway. I will still wait a while to see what other pistols in that genre come out from PSA....Its too bad that PSA did not introduce another version that takes down with a level like the M&P and the SIG, but if PSA made both they have sure winners. Thanks for the video and thank You PSA for doing what your doing.
PSA offers more for your money than any other manufacturer does currently. Canik is their only real competition !
Good point…thanks for watching
1500 rounds. I'd have to get a 2nd mortgage to afford that 😝😝😝
Right?! I was glad to have support from PSA on ammo.
I agree with you guys I would be grateful to just have the money to go buy one of those psa daggers
Sometimes the the ammo company's will take your first born as payment if you want
I don’t get why they try and break guns? What’s the purpose? If someone attempts to rob you you’re not going to fire 1500 rounds at the thug. 🤦🏻♂️
Almost 300rds through my dagger with various brands and grains.... NO issues!
Good to hear
I've had probably a dozen AR's and AR pistols from PSA over the past several years. . Only "1" issue, and that was taken care of quickly and no problems.
I'm planning on getting a Dagger the 1st of the month. I have no doubts I'll be happy with the Dagger.
Oh hai Mark! 🤠
I've had mine for a few months. I've only shot about 100rds through it so far, but i like it. No issues what so ever. Oh, mine is rmr cut.
I love my dagger so much that I bought another but I can care less about red dots on handguns
It would seem best to use gen 3 glock OEM for the lower parts to solve most of these issues regarding the walking pin and binary trigger. Am I missing something?
I have two of them. Never had a single malfunction. Fired right out of the box with no cleaning or lubing. You probably just got one of those occasional lemons. As far as all the maintenance talk, at the price point, just buy a new one every couple of years. I have PSA AR-15's as well with no issues.
It shot 10,000 rounds…but you right, I got a lemon.
I have 2 as well with no issues.
@@FitnFire it's still going though right? Wasn't it just a trigger issue? I'm curious if the frame and slide will last as long as Glock.
@@noncompliant209cali no issues there
@@FitnFire do you know who reviewed it after you if anyone? Thanks
8:09
DANG IT!
I love Amend2 mags. I have a bunch for my AR. And they are cheap.
That’s unfortunate. But I’m glad you mentioned it.
Thanks a bunch.
Thanks for watching
I love the Dagger Slide.
I Put a $199 & tax FDE SW4 GatorMouth cut, RMR milled, threaded barrel, suppressor sights complete Slide on my G19X frame & it runs flawlessly.
It's a great & cheaper alternative to sending my stock slide off & having it milled, cut, etc. to match the PSA SW4 Dagger GatorMouth Cuts. Not including the sights, 4.5 threaded barrel, internals, etc.
1 issue I found is- For some reason the safety plunger sticks when I try to install a Gen 5 extractor. So I just stuck with the Dagger internals. (Was hoping my G19X extractor would work but not)
I Put a on sale ($225) Holosun HE (elite) 407c x2 green 2moa Dot on her & now I have a stock G19X & a Micro Dot Slide.
The FDE is slightly lighter in color than my frame but who cares.
Just swap out backplates & it'll run perfectly. You can even install a Gen 3 Slide Release/Lock in the Gen 5 frame.
So the Dagger Slide fits Gen 3-5's 19's, 23's & a few others. 🤟
I can say, my trigger is even better with the Dagger Slide on my Gen 5 G19X frame.
Good run down! Thanks for watching
extractor bar longer on gen 4/4 I believe
My firing pin snapped in half after ~100 rounds. It seems to be a problem with models from the last 6 months.
Never heard of changing the trigger bar and striker as routine maintenance even at 10,000rds...as routine maintenance the springs yes of course but didn't realize the firing pin and trigger bar is required maintenance at only 10,000 or less.
It's not a maintenance issue. PSA redesigned the Dagger trigger in the October timeframe in order to improve sear engagement. This Dagger (which was likely manufactured in the May timeframe) wouldn't have had the redesigned trigger.
I would say inspect the impact surface and the sear interface for wear. If you have an inspection plate, you can check sear/striker interface to make sure there's enough 'overlap' to be safe.
Lucky for you it's the most common format of handgun, possibly of all time. You can fix. I believe in you.
I didn’t need to fix it…PSA did it for me.
@@FitnFire nice. I think I'm more concerned about warrantees on rmrs, though.
@@FitnFire my rmr is going to cost more than the gun. 😆
I'm getting light primer strikes with the slide I got. Off again to the range today to see if it continues after cleaning the striker channel. Maybe I need a new striker?
Let us know what happened at the range
I was buying a new carry gun and I wanted an optic ready but I'm in Commiefornia and nothing on roster, so I bought a Gen 3 Glock 19 and a dagger slide. I'm going to hang on to the OEM slide for awhile but from what I've been seeing I don't think I'll have reliability issues
Thank you for the gun video I really like the psa dagger
Thanks for watching
Thanks for your disclosure. You have lots of cred
I appreciate it…thanks for watching
I got my dagger shipped to me in mid February 2022 and it’s been nothing but problems. Right out of the box it was dropping the magazine with the supplied Pmags every other shot. PSA sent me a new barrel and magazine catch to replace which I did. It seems to fire OK now with Pmags and Glock mags, but it’s still drops magazines while shooting with some other brands of magazines like KCI. My trigger pin is also walking badly after only 100 rounds. You can push it back in but that shouldn’t be happening. PSA is sending me a replacement trigger pin. These kind of known issues shouldn’t be happening in a gun that’s been out already for over a year and a half or more. It’s a good concept for a good price point, but if it isn’t reliable then it’s worthless.
That’s unfortunate and I’m sorry you’re having issues. I hope it all works out.
Well glock (perfection haha I've owned about 20 over the years). I can't tell you how many problems glock had over 40 years with every single generation. In many cases glock blamed their problems on the shooter, when it was in no way the shooters problem, glock owned it.
Psa does have some growing problems being the first pistol they build but PSA stands behind their products and steps up when something goes wrong.
I don't know how long you''ve been into guns but if you buy a gun any gun for self defense that gun needs to go through a long period to make sure it's going to be reliable and if it isn't make it reliable or just go to the next and start all over again. ALL GUNS BREAK sooner or later.
PSA is a great value twice the gun at 1/2 the price.. glock is overpriced!
Crazy results with the binary trigger action....I wonder if you shared this video with Rare Breed or BDU/WOT. I hear that might be interested in being able to things like this on purpose. 😅
LMAO!!! I don’t think PSA wants to get raided.
One hour dagger video WOW!
JAKL next?
Was this the last 1000 round review or are they going to keep going? I'd really like to see how long it can last compared to Glock
This pistol now has over 10,000 rounds through it. It has now been sent back
The only PSA gun that has interested me is the new Rock 5.7x28.
I'm kind of a geek for that caliber & it actually looks to be a great platform for it & by far the cheapest one on the market.
If we could get rounds the original round was designed for. Without penetrator it seems it'd be a little anemic. It's armor piercing capability is what impressed me with the 5.7. Too many people running around in kevlar.
I love the price & purpose behind the "dagger"...but a few issues have been raised by several (dozen?) People.
What issues?
@@FitnFire holsters not fitting and trigger roll pin walking out
That's exactly what's keeping me from buying one. If these were 100% compatible with Glock holsters it would be a no brainer purchase. And the price went up to $420 on the RMR cut and suppressor height night sights.
@@agoogleuser2369 I did see the price go back up but then I got an email from PSA that it was back under $400. So, they’re kind of all over the place at the moment. 🤷🏼♂️
@@xxxlonewolf49 i never had problems with pins or the barrel.
Same problem with Amend 2 mags
Good intel! Thanks!
Can a Glock 19 be expected to run 9,000 rounds without parts wearing out?
Nothing can..
Mag drops out of mine every time I pull the trigger after about two mags. It does it with Glock, Pmags and Amend 2 mags. I bought PSA Dagger lower and PSA upper with everything barrel and recoil spring. I have a CMC threaded barrel and a loan wolf guide rod. Sent it back to PSA they had it for a month sent it back after two mags it drops out after nearly every shot. They are sending me a new mag release and spring and I got a new RMA. I think they should have replaced that right off the bat. I know Im not the only one with this issue so I hope their gun smith can figure it out so people dont have to go through what I am. They have had my gun more then me.
The locking block when combined with aftermarket barrels are what causes the mags to drop. The barrel tilting down under recoil is striking the top of the magazine. Some barrels are much worse than others too
I was wondering if the striker channel was bad from getting hot and cold from so many rounds in the past was the issue. Thanks for the review.
Unfortunately, I never looked into that. Good point though. Thanks for watching
Did it jam on you at all I just bought one today and the very first round I shot it jammed round got fired them it wouldn't eject
I didn’t have any issues at all nor do I think any of the other CZcamsrs. I am finding that I like to use 124gr ammo when shooting a brand new pistol to help the break in period
Is it bad that when she kinda pointed the gun at the camera I moved my head 🤣 guess I was really into the video 😂
Three of the four PSA guns I have needed to be fixed. I have an AK 105 that has been in the shop for over three weeks. Hope to get it back soon! This is getting old with PSA
That can be frustrating. You’re not the only one I have heard having issues with their 105. That has also been my major complaint with them too.
However, I still stand behind them because of their business model and encourage them to get better on their QA/QC. Hopefully, you’ll get your issues resolved.
Dude, where did you get BDU wobbie jacket?
Zero Foxtrot Apparel
Dagger compact is the best feel for ne
Right on…thanks for watching
I have watched guys do 5000 rounds with no issues
Thanks for watching
So where did the dagger go after you?
Not sure…sent it back to PSA so it’s up to them 😬🤷🏼♂️
In 2024 they are the best firearms maker in the world, most reliable best warranty BEST price period, free shipping on top of that. I got this Glock 3 clone that looks bettee handles better with better warranty and made by Christians, this is a win win win.
I think you're wrong on your thought process of how the Dagger was released without being optics ready. Optic ready pricing isn't too far from other pistols, but the stock model at $300 got everyone's attention from the git go. THEN, they start offering other options and everyone is watching. If they would have come out with all the options up front, a lot of people wouldn't have paid it any mind. The $300 price tag got my attention, where a $400-500 pistol wouldn't get my views.....got my attention so we'll that I have 2 Dagger's....both with nite sights, 1 with stock bbl and 1 with a threaded bbl.
PSA is offering this pistol as an optics ready version as low as $350…that’s my point. Introducing it as optics ready at $350 still has the same effect as a base model at $300.
You should let Natalie do the whole video, getting tired of looking at you, at least let her hold the gun as you're doing the review, thank you in advance for considering....😁
LMAO…I’ll run it by her. 😎
the audio is a bit awful but, the video is good! Thanks mister!
Yeah…I forgot my mic for the range portion. But, thanks for watching.
No way you’ll find this on a shelf outside the state it’s made
Thanks F&F. Great job. Good info. God bless. Happy trails.
LETS GO BRANDON
Thanks for watching
Love the butt hurt haters. They act like Glock had never had issues. My 2 samples have run 100%. The 2 other samples I know of have been 100% as well. But let's not muddy the waters.
Thanks for watching
Tried watching it the title why it broke ? What broke is all most want to know. Read a bunch reviews to see what broke most just said they bought multiple companies components and acted like a gunsmith and then sent it back to psa with 4 different companies parts over parts they installed.
This is why we can’t have nice stuff.
We have nice stuff? 😃🤩
@@FitnFire you’re nice stuff
@@shockershooter you’re nice stuff
Appears that Natalie Broke it!! 🤣 PSA is awesome!! 90% of people who buy these guns will put aftermarket triggers in them anyways. My question with these types of clones is the quality of the polymer.
LOLZ…it still seems solid after 10,000 rounds 🤷🏼♂️
I’m sure they’re using good stuff. The way they test their stuff and actually take feedback from us is what’s going to make them king of the hill in the future.
Yooooooo
Pew pew
Why does this want to translate to English?
@@shockershooter ¿que?
Would be nice if you could hear what was actually being said throughout the shooting process. That needs to be fixed to have a decent video !!
You’re welcome to do one
Why is half of your head shaved?
To get you to comment and ask why
@@FitnFire none the less I have a dagger and I love it. Great video. I like the honest opinion. I’ve subscribed. 🤘
I only made it4 min, and I couldn't take any more... Maybe it's me.
LOLZ
You say people want red dots, yes until they start using them. Red dots are problems in many areas, they break all the time ,they cannot be hit or dropped they will break. They are too expensive and the cheaper one don't work right.
The Dagger is a good gun especially at the price and glocks don't work 100% of the time and they are not perfection, glocks are the "number one returned gun" to dealers.
I just skipped a lot of your video because I couldn't hear what you were saying when you were outside. 99.9% of gun owners will never put anything close to 9/10 thousand rounds through their gun, especially at the price of ammo now.
None of my red dots have ever broke. Sage Dynamics does drop testing and the majority of Holosun options pass. Don’t like red dots? Fine, but they are not problematic like you say and I have them on all my carry pistols what has been thru many training courses with no problems.
@@FitnFire The VAST MAJORITY of people don't spend $350/400+ for red dots. Some red dots may handle a controlled drop, but don't believe they will take most others. Why do you think they keep selling metal frames to protect them.
I belong to two shooting clubs and every single red dot owner, including me has had problems with red dots period. Battery problems, staying zeroed, etc.etc. Many just quit working when they are out of warranty. Many have problems using them and end up tossing them in a drawer and going back to regular sights. Red dots are fussy devices no where in the realm of metal sights. Believe whatever you want but there's just to many people shilling for the red dot companies. Red Dots are over priced and under producing gadgets
@@intheknow3431 the vast majority of people are spending money for Holosun 507c, Swampfox, etc. Red dots are a here to stay and LEO departments are converting to red dots on there service pistols. Your logic doesn’t pass scrutiny when red dots on rifles are a fixture now. The reason you’re having problems is because you’re getting what you pay for. If you’re not willing to spend the money for quality products then don’t complain about all the cheap stuff you’re buying.
I too belong to clubs and see everything people are using around here. RMRs, 507cs, Swampfox Krakens, etc. have not failed. However, the $120 options always have problems…i.e. Burris Fast Fire 2s and the alike.
Again, watch Sage Dynamics torture tests and see that you are getting what you pay for. If it doesn’t work for you, then don’t use them and stick with irons. But, you’re the exception not the norm.
amend2 mags are junk anyway
Thanks for watching
I was going to watch this until I saw it was an hour long. I'm not a content creator so maybe I just don't understand something, but an hour talking about 1 gun - sorry my attention span just isn't there. 🙂
It is to show every round that was fired. There is a time stamp that allows you to jump ahead
Gen 3 glock clone? That doesn't fit holsters for that pistol 🤔
I hadn’t checked that but just looked at the couple of holsters that I have and they do fit. One is tight but does work.
@@FitnFire oh? That is welcome news, I'd heard most don't fit.
@@xxxlonewolf49 I'm not sure whether it's some holsters don't fit or most holsters don't fit. What constitutes "fit" can be rather subjective. If a G19 holster doesn't fit the Dagger, it's typically too tight. I have a list of over a dozen holsters specifically designed for the Dagger. Unfortunately, CZcams won't allow me to post the link here. However, I can share it via the PSA Dagger Facebook Group.
@@wickedbeernut I don't recall holster names, just that a lot were mentioned as not fitting, which makes no sense for a "clone" pistol
@@xxxlonewolf49 I agree completely! It was a major fail on PSA's part not to make the Compact Dagger compatible with G19 holsters. I don't see any reason why it would've impacted the ergonomics of the frame / grip.
The good news is PSA has announced that the G43X clone (aka Micro Dagger) will in fact be compatible with G43X holsters. That'll be a major plus. 👍
I got laughed at when I brought my gen4 glock 19 back to the store because brass was ejecting straight into my face. They said no way you are limp wristing bla bla bla until they shot it and found out. The fix was buying $100 apex extractor..... for a $500 GUN. Need less to say I'm not a fan of glock
I've got, one parts are so out of spec it's nuts.i can see why the lifetime warranty nothing is in tolerance.this is the worst I've seen,other parts are undersized to make sure it might function.if Glock is perfection then psa motto should be good enough for the koolaid drinkers
Who's got an hour to hear how and why?
Jesus H Christ... Never mind.
There’s the ability to scroll for a reason. 🙄
Free binary trigger at 5000 round prestige.
🤣
Could’ve had a G3 🤦🏽♀️!!
🤷🏼♂️
@@FitnFire LmAO I’m sure you’d rather take the Dagger! Lol well at least know I know … I was also looking at a PSF9 I wonder how they are.
I sincerely hope his was an attempt at sarcasm.. I wouldn’t trust my life to anything made by taurus.. their wheel guns are ok but still, no thank you..
She has safety issues , always pointing the gun down to range .
My dagger's magazine keep on falling out of the pistol. PSA customer service sucks. I don't remember anyone to buy this pistol.
PSA has a fix for the Dagger Magazine Falls Out Issue. If you join the PSA Dagger Facebook Group, you can deal directly with the founder of PSA, Jamin McCallum, and skip PSA customer service. You definitely want to avoid PSA customer service.
I don’t remember buying this pistol either.
Plenty of people have had no issues. I recommend people but this pistol.
Multiple good things will come out of this.
1. Dagger fanboys will be humbled.
2. It shows what that "just as good" mentality can get you.
3. That this firearm has faults.
4. It broke in an area that if anything was to break, it broke where it "should have" in the sense that it wasn't an abnormal place to have issues etc.,
5. PSA will definitely fix it, because they're an amazing company that rights their wrongs, and improves their products.
Thanks for watching
The Dagger really didn't "break" per se. I'm confident the sear engagement was marginal at the time this Dagger was manufactured in May 2021. This was a known issue with the Dagger and has since been resolved. PSA redesigned the Dagger trigger (along with several other Dagger parts).
With the trigger bar showing wear, would that mean the safety actions of the trigger would be inactive? Would a spontaneous discharge occur if it was bumped too hard or inserted into holster too quickly? I have a Dagger and replaced the mag with a Glock mag, should I replace the trigger bar with a Gen 3 trigger bar? Not an expert on this, so bear with me if I missed something. Cheers!
Did you miss the part where he said it had over 8k rounds through it when he received it? Any gun including glocks are hard pressed to send 8k+ rounds without issue.. for $350 and the fact PSA has offered to fix every issue free of charge. I’m a little confused by your feedback…