The Glock 17M
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I’m very lucky to have found a 17m right here in my hometown, the shop didn’t even notice it was any different. Happy it’s in my safe now
"I'll trade you a Taurus G2C +50 9MM rounds." ~Every fudd on Armslist ever.
Lol I’m always open to trades, but this one will problem stay locked up tight. I will say it’s just another G17 just with a few extras to make it unique. Love the sights on it though
@Frank The Tank It's not about being better. It's cool because it's rare...
@Frank The Tank Says the guy with a Taurus G2C. LOL!
@jondude1 They up the cost, because wholesale price on a 17M is over 100 dollars more than a standard 17... Thats why the MSRP was set at $753.99.
...also, they were/are special order only, so they wouldn't mistakenly get one in, and sell it at the standard 17 price without knowing how much they had in it.
You’re one of the only people who is willing and able to go into the level of detail that I crave. Thanks a ton.
I have a 17M USA made non-dlc internals, square notch rear sight, extended slide stop, rounded mag release. It's awesome. Great video for answering all my questions for what exactly I had since I pretty much got it by luck.
I just picked up the same one.
Got mine at Cabelas Kansas city, liked it for Ameriglow sites, lol
My 17M sounds identical to yours. USA, non DLC, square notch, extended slide stop, and rounded mag release, barrell marked M
Thanks for another deep dive . I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the history behind the weapons you go over is what keeps me watching.👍👍
Thank you!
These handguns were adopted by the Ontario Provincial Police to replace their .40 S&W Sig P229 handguns in service. From what I've been told, the officers love them.
Enjoyed your in depth detail. I was around when changed 45 to 9mm in 80s. I liked the extra shots (though I love 1911)and remember silver tips spread and functioned well! Amazing 30 years to figure out what many argued then, 9 had good recoil, control and just hit the target! Didn't like shooting Glock when came out, but looking at it now for simple, reliable, price & track record.
Now whenever I read Wikipedia I hear your voice. I find it very relaxing. Thank you for your service and time involved in the sharing of information.
I recently was able to buy a SCHP 17M. It was from a retired LT. And she sold her gun to a local gun store. It has several of the FBI features. It has the NDLC finish on the trigger bar. It has the 5M barrel. It also does not have the extended slide stop and it has a rounded magazine release. It was made in Austria. Seems like SCHP has some features from the from both the FBI and Lipsey’s guns.
Absolutely love your informative and well-researched firearms reviews. Thank you for all the hard work in the production and for your service brother.
What the "M" stands for has been debatable since it is not specified in the original RFP. Some say "Military", some say "Modified". Adding to that, a certain Glock vendor now sells the actual versions with the nDLC coatings and the "Miami" barrel with the "M" stamp on its hood. Those are available to purchase through the Blue Label program with the same SKU as the original FBI pistols, although all are now Austrian made. Also, early standard Gen5 models have the magazine cutout and lacked front serrations.
Marksmanship
Love these videos. Really get to nerd out.
Just joined you recently. But... You have quickly become my favorite "gun guy" on youtube.
You're precision and dedication to detail and history has to take a lot of hard work. Thanks for that.
Howdy - Great presentation! I would add one other change that I have seen on the Gen 5’s.
History: Glock 22 and 23 were tested by my agency years ago and the test weapons catastropicly failed between 6,000 and 8,000 rounds. Glock remodeled both models by adding a reinforcement in the form of another cross pin behind the locking block in the G22’s and G23’s. Those pins are found on Glock Gen IV’s, but not the Gen 5’s. Not to worry though because, as far as I know, there were no such failures on the pre - .40 S&W glock 9mm’s.
What year did they sdd the extra pin?...i have a 2005 gen 3 that has 2 pins like gen 4 does..my g17 gen 3 has 2 pins also.its a 2022.
@@steverugerguy9606there are transitional gen 3s that have some gen 4 and some gen 2 features I’ve seen
The 19x dosen't need a specific magazine.
It fits any 9mm Glock factory or aftermarket magazine aside from Gen 5 magazines, but even the Gen 5 magazines work with a small modification to either the magwell or the baseplate of the magazine.
Use either Gen4 or earlier magazines or put Gen4 floorplates on the Gen5 mags...
Great information. Didn't think I'd care but I found myself more curious as you went on
Thank you for taking the time to make this very informative video. It was very helpful in my research. I'm thinking of purchasing one of these M17"s
Great info
This was a hard one to crack and still many questions.
@American Patriot 19x/45 is amazing.
Don't hesitate to pick one up.
Thank you for a very interesting and informative video. It answered a lot lot of questions I personally had between theses pistols.
I'm having to self discipline timeouts from this channel so that I have a chance to absorb all the information this Gentleman makes available.
Thank you Sir!
Great video, as per the usual, thanks!
My two favorite Glocks now are both Gen 5 Glocks: the Glock 45 and the Glock 34. The 34 Gen 5s eliminated the large relief "hole" on the top of the slide and in my opinion, the sight radius advantage plus the elimination of that stupid huge hole makes it a great duty weapon. The Glock 45 feels great when you shoot it. It has the full sized grip (important for my huge hands) and full capacity Glock magazines, etc.
Great for competition, duty and defense.
My 2 favorites are Gen 5s as well.
23 MOS & 19x.
The Gen 5 .40 cal Glocks finally made me fall in love with the .40.
Just got a used 17m as a police trade in from a Blue Label dealer. Seems very lightly used. SKU PM1750333, Austrian build non DLC parts. Sept 2019 build date. U notch rear sight, extended slide release. I do like the cut out on front strap of the grip.
Another great video, keep pumping them out buddy
Thank you my friend. Well done and much appreciated: )
I have a Glock 17M. I purchased it when I was home on leave in 2017 but I had no idea the significance of it when I sent it off to Agency Arms LOL
Amazing details, subbed!
I got a 17m from Cabelas in October, USA just M on barrel. Thanks for all your efforts on information on this gun.
I was just told this week that these are not for the commercial pipe line. I have a gun store owner to talk to apparently.
Thank you for the history and tech background. Read so much cyber chatter that this is refreshing.
Another great presentation. Thank you Bartocci clan ! God bless 👍🏻🙏🏻🇺🇸
Great Video, and I really appreciate all of the information you gave us.......🤝🏾🇺🇸💪🏾
Could listen to you all day. Thank you sir!!!!!
Fantastic video. Thank you for the knowledge.
Great content. Thanks, Chris.
Thanks for your work, great info!
I can attest that the new Gen 5 barrels are considerably more accurate than previous generations. The barrel in my Gen 5 G26 is every bit as accurate as the match barrel I have in my model 19. Maybe I got a magic barrel, but I noticed the same accuracy potential in the test and evaluation pistols my agency sent by Glock, the models 19 and 45, both Gen 5. The model 48 they sent was also impressive as far as it's average accuracy over previous generation barrels. Glock finally solved one of their cons.
Learned a lot. Thanks
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Thanks for all the research and info. Doing dry fire practice with my g45 while listening haha. With developments in projectile and material design (running critical defence 9mm at the moment) I feel like I have a better carry system now than when I carried a 45acp.
Feel all you want.
FYI… The early versions of the Gen 5 17 & 19 had the crescent cutout on the bottom front of the grip frame just like the 17M (as well as Gen 1 & Gen 2). It was removed after customer feedback. Another difference of the early Gen 5’s was the smooth slide. Forward cocking serrations appeared about the same time that the crescent cutout disappeared. The earliest Gen 5’s were much closer to the M models. Just sayin’.
Great video, I learned quite a lot.
I have a Glock Gen 4 17MOS that I really like, with a Leupold DeltaPoint Pro sight. I bought the Gen 4 model back when the Gen 5 models were first coming out, and I was afraid of getting a “weaker” gun since the Gen 5 pistols lacked the extra locking block pins that the Gen 4 models had, as I was used to having locking blocks and pins break periodically on the Glock models 22 and 23 that my police department had used when I had been an armorer, albeit that had been when they had been Gen 3 guns and the Gen 4 had not come out yet. Now I will admit that the .40 S&W cartridge is a lot higher pressure than a 9mm, but that doesn’t stop me from worrying about it, lol. I have waited to see if Glock will bring out Gen 5 10 mm or 40 S&W models, but haven’t seen any yet. Oh well, lol. I guess if I want another 9mm I can get a Glock 45 MOS, but if I want a 10 mm I may have to get a Gen 4 still. Oh well.
Good job brotha 🤘🇺🇸🔫 thanks for the interesting info
Love this channel!
Great job thank you for the break down
Very informative. Well done.
Excellent analysis. I was unaware this pistol even existed. I figured they just threw some new sights on it or maybe did a trigger job or some like that.
Very informative, thank you.
Very interesting information on the G17M.👍
Great informative video!
Move the small arms solutions banner over to our right (his left shoulder) so people can see the entire banner and the website. His shoulders block the web address. Plus it’s a cool banner. Show it......move it slightly
Dude...seriously? You can't figure out the web address is: smallarmssolution.com ... The name of the CZcams Channel? :)
I’ve been meaning to move it. But I’ve been too busy editing these long ass videos we’ve been making. Lol -Heather Bartocci
Chris, as always, love the professional content.
Excellent information!
Excellent and informative video!
Once Again great information, thanks
Definitely like the finish color of the 17M.
I would really only get this glock for the 17m engraving lol just to add to the collection. The cut out feather on the bottom of the grip isn’t my favorite but still an excellent variation of a legendary side arm
I'll be keeping an eye out for any G47 that manages to get out on the market too.
Thanks for sharing good information
Cool video. Thanks!
Thanks for the video. 👍🏻🇺🇸
Very interesting. Thanks!
Thank You For The Video 🔥👌💪💯
Great video, very informative I must say. I like the Glock 17 M
Be well
Wow, that was thorough!
I have a 17m Austria without the extended slide release and rounded mag well. It does not have the ndlc coating. But it came with Glock night sights. Not sure what I have.
Great video!!
The redesign of the striker tip was to help the next cartridge slide up the breechface easier as the striker tip could be protruding from the breechface as the next new round was making its way up the breechface.
Shadow Systems not only changed their design as Glock changed theirs, but also added a 2nd striker spring to retract the striker so that it wasn't sticking out of the breechface as the new round was attempting to be seated against the breechface.
When the gen 5 slide is unlocked, the striker is now a floating design and not locked in the forward position as on previous generations, I’m surprised that he didn’t mention that.
Thank You
We had some 17M's at my workplace and they also had the NY-1 triggers...
Excellent. Slide stops were offered in std and extended, shooters choice. Early ones had Trijicon sights, it went to Ameriglow bc of cost. They were also Austria made with full production in US. Current production has the front slide and frame bevel, early ones had a squared lower. What is unconfirmed, is that the barrels had a tighter chamber tolerance than other agency Ms, trade off of performance vs reliability.
Thanks for your input. I had such very limited access to information on this one.
Yes, they have tighter chambers, I’ve confirmed this myself.
Good video , thank you !
550 rounds fired in my gen 4 G19 and finish still like new. I love my G45 but 150 rounds in and the barrel is showing wear on the at the lock up points and the damn slide release is really showing wear even on the right side that I don’t use much being right handed. Excellent, informative video once again Chris!
The Gen5 nDLC finish is awful, no matter what the Glock propaganda says.
John Phillips yep, my only complaint. Makes you wonder what’s going on at Glock. Bad finishes, the G44 was a dumb venture being it can’t compete with a M&p 22 or the Taurus tx22. They need to go back to the old finish.
I couldn't agree any more.
There also appears to be some machining differences with the slide where the muzzle exits. The barrel skips around on the Gen5 in a way that is very different than previous models.
Great video
I love my Gen5 17 being a left-handed person. I owned a gen 2 skipped the Gen 3 still own my gen 4 but I stippled it because of the finger grooves.. My Gen5 17 is now my Carry.. anybody that says the Gen 4 an the Gen 5 are the same don't own a Gen 4 or Gen 5
Great information thanks for the research I jeek out on Glock specs
You taught me more than I ever thought I didn't know could you expand on the 3D markings on the barrel what does that mean? Please thank you keep up the awesome work.
Proof mark.
Interestingly enough it seems the early gen 5 Glocks had that cutout for stripping mags out in the front of the grip. I believe they eliminated it due to complaints.
Good presentation. I’m an avid Glock fan and I was curious about the M pistols. I don’t understand why Glock doesn’t just use the exact same process on all their guns like the NDLC finish on the trigger bar that the gen 5’s don’t have
Excellent history.
Great videoSir, I bet you'd see a difference with a 12 gauge slug round, it's as close as you're going to get to a magic bullet
Nice video ... thanks
Great video.
Can you please elaborate on the trigger undercut? I’m interested in how it’s different? I wasn’t able to tell by the video. Thanks for the excellent info!
The lands impressions in those pics of the bullet look quite deep. I wonder how that affects coated or plated bullets, since the coating/plating is thinner than FMJ. Would that lead to a higher risk of leading in the rifling?
You and your content are the only thing that can make glock development interesting to me. Thank you. I still dont own one tho
Hell yeah Brother!
That coil spring has always vexed me. My normal trigger job on a Glock is a minus connecter and a NY-1 trigger spring (olive). It might slightly increase the pull weight but gets rid of the sponge to the wall. I don't particularly like the fact that Glock is setting on the DLC trigger bar but since they are the LEGO of the pistol world I am sure someone will produce a part to take my money. I'll will leave you with a question can we call the 17 M the Goverment Model...? Yehaa from East TN
Great video....And would
Lipsey ordered the commercial M19 M17 glocks according to the Glock rep who was working on the deal. Also you can get the DLC parts from some LEO Glock armors. If your buddies a police officer he can ask his Glock rep to get you some.
Kris 9mm I was told by Glock directly that the DLC components are restricted. They are only available by approval I’d SR Glock management. The parts are on the form. But has anyone ordered and received these DLC parts?
SmallArmsSolutions yes n some armors are giving them to people who attend their LEO classes
Thanks for this info!
I heard the FBI had problems with the black connector and the black connectors were replaced in the FBI m19 and m17 pistols.
Just bought x2 a few weeks ago!
Can you do something on the Glock Miami barrel? This was made to leave barcode like markings on a bullet. I have a feeling that at least some of the Miami barrel tech made it into the Marksman barrels.
3:45 just as good...
That's why people by the G2C instead of glock. Lol
That Glock barrel with lans and grooves was not designed for the FBI. It was designed for the Miami-Dade police dept. in Miami, Florida. It was my department that did the study and we found it was very hard to identify what barrel or gun the projectile came from. The FBI just looked at our study, agreed with it and they made it a prerequisite. Glock first called those barrels Miami barrels. I have a gen 3 Glock with that barrel. Also, Glock redesigned and adopted their double recoil spring set-up because of us also. We carried Winchester ranger T series 124gr +P+ ammunition and Glock redesigned the spring for us and later adopted it to all their guns. I remember Glock reissued us the double springs and we all had to go to the dept. armorer to get the new spring installed.
michael leon sir, what your Department studied, this has been common knowledge well over 20 years. I started in internship in 1998 and it was common knowledge. This far predates Miami study. Glock has had requests for conventional rifled barrels for this reason. According to the folks I interviewed, the FBI wanted their new generation pistols to be identifiable. From what I see, the Marksman barrels are. The whole story, I don’t know if I have it all. Glock is very tight lipped on it. Their claims for the new barrel is quite different from what the Feds said I spoke to. For me, it came down to the comparative scope. If the identification of fired projectiles was not a goal for the 17M, it is one hell of a coincidence!
Sir, I work as a part time armorer for a large department that has 17M’s. I have more info on the 17M’s if you want. Tell me how to email you.
Email Heather at hbartocci@smallarmssolutions.com
Hi sir I have a glock17 gen3 what your opinion on my weapon between the 17m. My email sammarkanthony@g mail.com
I hate to echo what others have said, but GREAT INFO!! Thanks
I appreciate it!
@@SmallArmsSolutions I wish I would have been aware of the sale of these, by the time I found out, they were all gone :(
Great video, Chris! So there actually is a difference in the trigger guard (M/Gen5 vs Gen1-4) where it meets up with the frame? Is it somewhat minor?.......when I compared a G5 with a G4 in store I didn’t think I saw a difference. Is there still a high propensity for “Glock knuckle” with the M/Gen5 ?
The picture of the FBI flavor of the 17M appeared to show a radiused trigger guard. Other versions of the 17M showed the same defective Glock trigger guard design.
All the Gen1-5 and Slimline pistols have the defective trigger guard design that causes Glock knuckle.
My engineering friends and I ran a test with 5000 frame/second high speed video to see why the Glock trigger guard sucks so badly. Counter recoil is the issue as the slide enters battery.
The undercut trigger guard modification doesn't work, but it does have the full placebo effect. The real fix is recontouring the trigger guard to push on the middle finger at the middle of the trigger guard. The nylon welding works well. The so-called internet experts call me a clocksucker and other homosesual slurs for not developing a thick skin. Idiots. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.
Hey Chris!
I recently picked up a 19M made in Austria that has the extended slide stop, came with glock night sights and has thre dlc coated internals. Picked it up from Buds Gun Shop a few months ago. Hope this helps a bit.
Rob Kilcollins as the story continues to unravel with all y’all info, sounds like there is much disconnect on what Glock’s FBI contract parts policy is. This is a difficult story to research. Much contradictories.
The ones with glock night sights and dlc internals were issued to the USMC Criminal investigation division.
made in Austria.
Knowledge bombed
I like 9mm and it's now a sensible, effective round. However, I'm a little more accurate with 45. I like the recoil characteristics. I'll still keep a 45 around in a HK platform. And if forced to use FMJ, I'd opt for 45. Though, some of that new military 9mm 115 +p FMJ flatnose (M1152) would be nice to have.
After saying the above... there's some pretty devastating +p 45 acp being manufactured nowadays.
Thanks Chris. I was going to ask about the G30. Remembered you carried it for a while, I went from the G30 to the G19. What HST gr (std pressure or +p) do you carry in the G45? Thanks for all that you do for us.
Curious as well. I like the 124 gr Standard pressure myself