I’ve been running Red 11 speed etap for a few years. I think it’s wonderful and the batteries never have had to be charged more often than once a month even with riding 4-5 days per week. I got two years out of the shifter batteries. They’re CR2032 quarter size, and very easy to swap out. I like the ergonomics of the shifting much better with SRAM too.
What I like about SRAM is that it makes it much easier to upgrade a bike that isn't purpose built to be wired. I have a 2008 Scott Addict R1, still one of the best bikes ever made, and if I went Shimano, I would have all these wires hanging out and a exposed battery.
The cost of whole bikes is a very different story on the Canyon store, where you may see Rival eTap on cheaper aluminium bikes, while di2 only appears on expensive CF SL or CF SLX models that costs twice as much. One such bike is the Grail AL7 eTap, coming in at $3450 AUD which probably is around 2000 euros, and the cheapest carbon bike of this lineup comes in at $3800 while only weighing 140 grams less. Meanwhile the cheapest Grail with di2 comes in at a whopping $5250 AUD. Strangely despite Rival eTap being the heaviest groupset I know, bikes equipped with this seems to be really light for whatever reason
As a bike builder.. who usually builds with higher end Campy and Shimano.. and , ocassionally FSA ( We Force is due to be released, so I am told, this Winter ) emplying SRAM Rival for ease of set up with Integrated Bar/stem , makes life a bit easier. albeit still I had to feeed the Brake cables the bars , down thru the stem , down the fork.. and from rear stay up to the head tube.. all in all a lengthy job , but less so than adding shifter cables or perhaps with shimano's 105 , a battery cable from the seatube to the rear mech.. Aesthetically I think Rival is pretty cool.. Although I am due for a GRX silver kit inbound., but... compared to Force, , Rival has a cooler look and simple yet sophisticated, ie.. Ekar compared to GRX.. Im happy to see you had SRAM win.. I concur with your findings, yet I need to do a real brake test.. and with 12-14k ft mountains to decend, it shouoldnt be hard to choose a winner.. the one that keeps me from an out of control Laurie ramp.. Nice review... Kudos and maybe FSA when it comes out??
You overlooked a crucial feature of the Rival eTap: We can use SRAM wireless blips with it. On the contrary, Shimano does not have any wireless satellite shifter to be paired with Di2 (and unlike their bigger brothers i.e. Ultegra/Dura-Ace Di2 and Force/Red etap, neither 105 Di2 nor Rival eTap can accept wired satellite shifters - so having the option to pair wireless blips is huge)
Can you upgrade the crankset with for instance 4iii power meter on the new 105 di2? (similar "approach" to what you are able to do with the SRAM rival axs)
An eTap AXS for me. Although Shimano's road groupsets (particularly, the grips) are not as bad as the GRX ones, the Sram has quite a few advantages, from my vantage point anyway. Another Sram's significant advantage is its properly wireless system design: so much better than Shimano's much clunkier electronic setup with wires part- sticking out, part- tucked into the tubes and handlebar, a receiver unit to be zip-tied to the stem; complicated chore of an assembly /disassembly, and charging that requires plugging in the charging cable right into the bike. The one possible advantage of the Shimano would be (needs to be corroborated through extensive testing) the lesser incidence of chain drops in a 2 x setup (although if set up right and properly fine-tuned, Sram's chain drops will dramatically decrease).
For a TriRig there’s no question about it - definitely the SRAM Electronic Wireless systems with Wireless Blips is a game changer. Easier installation, easier maintenance and less motion on the ride.
I have a question. For my wife's bike.... She has Cervelo r5 from 2019 with rim breaks and currently on Zipp Firecrest wheels. I am thinking either to: [1] give her my Ultegra Di2 8050 groupset that I have from another bike I had sold by parts. The pros are: she already has crankset, cassette and rim brake calipers on her bike. So, it would just require cabling and price of installation at a bike shop. The cons: She would be ridding shimano while me on sram. The issue is the usage of Tacx Neo that is currently set for Shimano... or [2] buy her Rival groupset and sell the Ultegra (just keep the calipers) or [3] give her my Rival groupset and buy myself Force groupset. I am thinking that the option 3 makes no sense, as the difference between Force and Rival performance is nearly nonexistent (according to all and I don't care about the weight). So, I am now debating between option 1 and 2. I am not sure if Sram can be installed on her wheels though (Zipp Firecrest). Any thoughts? Thanks!
That 10 tooth small cog on the SRAM group is going to wear fast, and it's a one piece cassette. And you can buy TWO 105 cassettes for the price of one Rival cassette. Service costs are going to hurt for SRAM owners.
Just more stuff to go wrong that most people lack the skill to fix, if it can be fixed. I have a car for all those frustrations and a bicycle to keep things simple,
Exactly, if I wanted to spend a day bleeding and burping brake fluid, and trouble shooting an electric transmission, I would've gotten into F1 racing and not cycling.
Don't forget if you are going to buy sram 12 sp groupset, you need to buy new freehub as well, but shimano claims that 12 sp cassette fits to standard hg freehub.
I’ve somewhat started hoarding mechanical components so I can keep my forever bike running for many years. I prefer the physical connection of mechanical shifting and not having to charge my groupset on top of other gadgets. Aaaaand mechanical brakes are less of a hassle to adjust and for my purposes they provide enough braking
@@doublejumpvideogames.... haha too bad you can’t post memes here in the comments, but I can picture it. Some may scoff at my comment and I totally get it. Electronic gears and hydraulic brakes DO perform better, but mechanical stuff works well enough for me with less of a hassle. It’s an emotional thing for me… like the very act of spending thousands on a bike. It IS an emotional thing, there’s no way to actually rationalize such a purchase, but we still do it, right? It’s like bluetooth headphones. They’re in many ways more practical than cabled ones, but they still have their drawbacks.
@@RicardoRocha-lg1xo Nah, you're on the right track sticking with rim brakes, don't apologetically drink the Koolaid that discs are better. They are superior for off road, or wide tires, but on a narrow rim road bike, they're not a real improvement over rim brakes, in fact they're a giant pain on a race bike with a narrow rim and a 25c tire. They're actually excessive and potentially dangerous in race conditions on road bikes. Have you seen how many accidents there have been this past year in races, suspiciously associated with mal adustment prone disc brakes?
Funnily enough, while many people complain about 105 being more expensive than rival, Giant in my area actually sell 105 equipped bike cheaper than the Rival! (No pun intended xD)
You really can’t compare prices, one is real world price, the other are an estimated MSRP this will drop significantly when the groupset are released in to the market.
Wait. Does 105 Di2 have Servowave in in it’s hoods? I keep reading (including Shimano’s own website) that only Ultegra and Dura-ace have Servowave, no?
Hi, stupid question, but help me understand. Is it a big deal that on the 2-by, Sram is only 46t and the Shimano is 50t? For road bike, going flat, would you not want the bigger ring? Thanks
Rival do 48/35T too, and 43/30T (but that's because Sram roll gravel and road groups together) and the 10 tooth cog means that give or take there are a equivalents between the brands.
Much climbing and hills by me so I will prefer the larger range with 46/33 and 10/36. Having Rival installed this week on my 2020 Domane SL5. I'm more concerned with what I will gain climbing than lose on the flats although I don't believe I will lose much compared to my 50/34 and 11/34. On group rides where some of my friends pull away is on the climbs and rolling hills. I have no issues catching up to them when things level out.
depends on the range of your cassette. as correctly pointed out in the video SRAM offers a greater range of gears, even with the smaller large chain ring because of the 10-tooth cog in the back.
I actually love the 10t lol not because I actually use it but because it allows me to have better climbing gears while not feeling like I'm missing out on higher gearing
I'd buy you a pint if you would be able, in a blind test, to appreciate the difference in terms of friction or wattage when using a 10 or 11 teeth cog... Same applies for Ceramicspeed oversized pulleys and similar KR
@@nokia6800 Exactly. Much climbing and hills by me so I will prefer the larger range with 46/33 and 10/36. Having Rival installed this week on my 2020 Domane SL5. I'm more concerned with what I will gain climbing than lose on the flats although I don't believe I will lose much compared to my 50/34 and 11/34. On group rides where some of my friends pull away is on the climbs and rolling hills. I have no issues catching up to them when things level out.
Always the same comparisons between Shimano vs Sram. They are not the only ones on the market. Is this a sponsor's question? And the other competitors: LTwoo, Campagnolo or others. Let us know about them! Let go and Dare...
Meanwhile there's a group of riders bragging about which Campagnolo groupo they can put on a bike, looking at everyone here like they're a peasant. To think, cycling was once a working class person's sport.
Which is physically better or more cost effective? Debatable. Which should you choose? Easy! SRAM. Why? Because SRAM hasn't pulled a dick move (yet) like Shimano when they pulled support from the Karoo Hammered. Shimano proved that they will hurt their customers for petty reasons without a thought. SRAM might do the same in the future, but we know Shimano has and probably will again. Personally, I've owned a lot of bikes over my ~🎂50 years of riding , all have been Shimano equipped... All. That ended with a thud. I'm actively shopping for a new mtb, only SRAM equipped are considered. I'll continue to ride my Ultegra di2 Canyon as well as the other bikes in my stable (n+1), but the cassettes, chains, brake pads , etc that I replace in regular maintenance will not be Shimano.
Like yourself I’ve been riding as long as you have, the only difference is I was a Campy man. I think it was because as a teen in the early 70’s THE set to have Campy Record, then Simplex, then Hueret (spelling might be wrong) and Shimano was the worst. But my loyalty to Campy ended when Red came out. I was sold on the fact that there’s no cables. It meant to me that I could put that on my Parlee Z1 no proble; which I did. I was also in favor of SRAM, because around 1994-1996, I bought an old Stumpjumper frame, took it to work, realigned the frame, took off old braze-ons and welded new ones on, bead blasted it, painted it (3 color fluorescent fade), built the wheels, and back then the only choice for mtb groups was Shimano’s Rapid Fire. BUT, when SRAM entered the market with their Grip Shift, and 3 moving parts compared to Shimano’s, I believe it was 100+ moving parts to the Rapid Fire, I bought the first generation Grip Shift, and it did me no wrong for all the years I used that bike for every day transportation, just about every day in upstate NY.
It seems to be an unpopular opinion, but connecting all the electronic components to a single battery makes much more sense to me, even if it adds a bit of complexity. This way, the bike is either charged, or not, and you don't always have another component running out of power. On an e-bike, this becomes even more obvious. Why have a separate battery for everything, when you have a huge central battery anyway.
@@PatrikStutz It is an unpopular opinion for two reasons. 1. Redundancy 2. Ease of maintenance The redundancy issue is exactly what you highlighted there is one battery and a bunch of wires compared to 2 batteries and no wires Now you could argue that the rear mech could be clobbered and you lose the battery and I agree but hey you can get a spare battery and be good to go the ease of maintenance is again obvious I installed an SRAM eagle set up on my MTB in about 15 minutes it took longer to remove the cables of the old sysme than put the new system on not sure that I even need to do maintenance and chargin is a breeze you don't need to take the bike to the kitchen (like my firned who has no power to his garage) just the batteries and your are done you can even have spare batteries and just swap them out and you are on your way there are even after market batteries that are yello if you want to change up stuff the only advantage I can see is that if you have a turbo setup then you have just one thing to charge???? on ebikes I agree having one central battery make sense.
Shimano is always better . Because when all your friend use shimano , and all other bikes are shimano . You just don’t want to make just one bike imcompitable with others lol
Just for that you should go the other way around, if everyone is SRAM then you can share batteries in the middle of the ride if needed. I have had Shimano all my life both MTB and RB, the new Addict is my first SRAM and first electronic. I have no big complains only once or twice had a chaindrop in the front maybe the first or second ride (I can't say that has not happened with Shimano also), fine tuned it and it has never happened again, sometimes from the 10 tooth to the 11 tooth takes some time to shift, probably needs fine tuning.
Completely wireless (shifting) system with easily accessible and replaceable batteries is a huge plus.
I like it when a shifting system shifts well... Shimano for the win. SRAM is slowww.
I prefer shimano's hidden, higher capacity battery. good thing sram batteries are accessible, because your'e going to be charging them a lot more!
I’ve been running Red 11 speed etap for a few years. I think it’s wonderful and the batteries never have had to be charged more often than once a month even with riding 4-5 days per week. I got two years out of the shifter batteries. They’re CR2032 quarter size, and very easy to swap out. I like the ergonomics of the shifting much better with SRAM too.
@@markclark1803 yes the charging frequency is about once per month. I ride every day and my Garmin told me I shift almost 250 times for each ride.
I'm looking forward to wireless braking
Rival AXS wins hands down. Cheaper, better looking, performs as good if not better, integrated Powermeter, fantastic app...
Only winners are the manufacturers for pricing electronic groupsets so high
What I like about SRAM is that it makes it much easier to upgrade a bike that isn't purpose built to be wired. I have a 2008 Scott Addict R1, still one of the best bikes ever made, and if I went Shimano, I would have all these wires hanging out and a exposed battery.
The cost of whole bikes is a very different story on the Canyon store, where you may see Rival eTap on cheaper aluminium bikes, while di2 only appears on expensive CF SL or CF SLX models that costs twice as much. One such bike is the Grail AL7 eTap, coming in at $3450 AUD which probably is around 2000 euros, and the cheapest carbon bike of this lineup comes in at $3800 while only weighing 140 grams less. Meanwhile the cheapest Grail with di2 comes in at a whopping $5250 AUD. Strangely despite Rival eTap being the heaviest groupset I know, bikes equipped with this seems to be really light for whatever reason
From a price point perspective you would have to compare 105 to Force. In my country the price for 105 is 50% higher than Rival AXS. 1500 to 1000€.
As a bike builder.. who usually builds with higher end Campy and Shimano.. and , ocassionally FSA ( We Force is due to be released, so I am told, this Winter ) emplying SRAM Rival for ease of set up with Integrated Bar/stem , makes life a bit easier. albeit still I had to feeed the Brake cables the bars , down thru the stem , down the fork.. and from rear stay up to the head tube.. all in all a lengthy job , but less so than adding shifter cables or perhaps with shimano's 105 , a battery cable from the seatube to the rear mech.. Aesthetically I think Rival is pretty cool.. Although I am due for a GRX silver kit inbound., but... compared to Force, , Rival has a cooler look and simple yet sophisticated, ie.. Ekar compared to GRX..
Im happy to see you had SRAM win.. I concur with your findings, yet I need to do a real brake test.. and with 12-14k ft mountains to decend, it shouoldnt be hard to choose a winner.. the one that keeps me from an out of control Laurie ramp.. Nice review... Kudos and maybe FSA when it comes out??
Thanks for the video.
You overlooked a crucial feature of the Rival eTap: We can use SRAM wireless blips with it.
On the contrary, Shimano does not have any wireless satellite shifter to be paired with Di2 (and unlike their bigger brothers i.e. Ultegra/Dura-Ace Di2 and Force/Red etap, neither 105 Di2 nor Rival eTap can accept wired satellite shifters - so having the option to pair wireless blips is huge)
Can you upgrade the crankset with for instance 4iii power meter on the new 105 di2? (similar "approach" to what you are able to do with the SRAM rival axs)
Please test the 105 Di2 11-36 on the Ultegra R8100. We need this to work in order to get anywhere close to the SRAM's low gear.
Trek has also specced 105 di2 for cheaper than Rival Etap on the new Madone. I'd be going Shimano all day if this trend continues.
An eTap AXS for me. Although Shimano's road groupsets (particularly, the grips) are not as bad as the GRX ones, the Sram has quite a few advantages, from my vantage point anyway. Another Sram's significant advantage is its properly wireless system design: so much better than Shimano's much clunkier electronic setup with wires part- sticking out, part- tucked into the tubes and handlebar, a receiver unit to be zip-tied to the stem; complicated chore of an assembly /disassembly, and charging that requires plugging in the charging cable right into the bike.
The one possible advantage of the Shimano would be (needs to be corroborated through extensive testing) the lesser incidence of chain drops in a 2 x setup (although if set up right and properly fine-tuned, Sram's chain drops will dramatically decrease).
For a TriRig there’s no question about it - definitely the SRAM Electronic Wireless systems with Wireless Blips is a game changer. Easier installation, easier maintenance and less motion on the ride.
They are similar shifting at the back. But at the front, shimano di2 front derailleur is always much better, more reliable and more precise than sram
Easy win for Rival. More gearing options (including 1x), built in power meter and cheaper.
I don't understand how they convert a ratio to length in imperial???
I have a question. For my wife's bike.... She has Cervelo r5 from 2019 with rim breaks and currently on Zipp Firecrest wheels. I am thinking either to:
[1] give her my Ultegra Di2 8050 groupset that I have from another bike I had sold by parts. The pros are: she already has crankset, cassette and rim brake calipers on her bike. So, it would just require cabling and price of installation at a bike shop. The cons: She would be ridding shimano while me on sram. The issue is the usage of Tacx Neo that is currently set for Shimano...
or
[2] buy her Rival groupset and sell the Ultegra (just keep the calipers)
or
[3] give her my Rival groupset and buy myself Force groupset.
I am thinking that the option 3 makes no sense, as the difference between Force and Rival performance is nearly nonexistent (according to all and I don't care about the weight). So, I am now debating between option 1 and 2. I am not sure if Sram can be installed on her wheels though (Zipp Firecrest).
Any thoughts? Thanks!
Rival AXS is disc break only, I'm pretty sure.
I will never go back to shimano. eTAP make sense in every way.
Except it doesn’t
That 10 tooth small cog on the SRAM group is going to wear fast, and it's a one piece cassette. And you can buy TWO 105 cassettes for the price of one Rival cassette. Service costs are going to hurt for SRAM owners.
Im sure that 10 tooth cog is not gonna wear out the first 😂
Just more stuff to go wrong that most people lack the skill to fix, if it can be fixed. I have a car for all those frustrations and a bicycle to keep things simple,
Exactly, if I wanted to spend a day bleeding and burping brake fluid, and trouble shooting an electric transmission, I would've gotten into F1 racing and not cycling.
Don't forget if you are going to buy sram 12 sp groupset, you need to buy new freehub as well, but shimano claims that 12 sp cassette fits to standard hg freehub.
You can use a Shimano 12sp cassette with SRAM
@@veganpotterthevegan right, but groupset means whole groupset. Sure you can use shimano cranks if you don't want use dub bottom bracket.
Heres me hopeing loads of used mech groupsets flood the market..
@Click Bait Hahahahah
I’ve somewhat started hoarding mechanical components so I can keep my forever bike running for many years. I prefer the physical connection of mechanical shifting and not having to charge my groupset on top of other gadgets. Aaaaand mechanical brakes are less of a hassle to adjust and for my purposes they provide enough braking
@@RicardoRocha-lg1xo ahh a man of culture I see...
@@doublejumpvideogames.... haha too bad you can’t post memes here in the comments, but I can picture it.
Some may scoff at my comment and I totally get it. Electronic gears and hydraulic brakes DO perform better, but mechanical stuff works well enough for me with less of a hassle. It’s an emotional thing for me… like the very act of spending thousands on a bike. It IS an emotional thing, there’s no way to actually rationalize such a purchase, but we still do it, right?
It’s like bluetooth headphones. They’re in many ways more practical than cabled ones, but they still have their drawbacks.
@@RicardoRocha-lg1xo Nah, you're on the right track sticking with rim brakes, don't apologetically drink the Koolaid that discs are better. They are superior for off road, or wide tires, but on a narrow rim road bike, they're not a real improvement over rim brakes, in fact they're a giant pain on a race bike with a narrow rim and a 25c tire. They're actually excessive and potentially dangerous in race conditions on road bikes. Have you seen how many accidents there have been this past year in races, suspiciously associated with mal adustment prone disc brakes?
4:36 come on... it took me like 1 minute of riding to get the shifting right on shimano and I've never confused any lever ever after
Funnily enough, while many people complain about 105 being more expensive than rival, Giant in my area actually sell 105 equipped bike cheaper than the Rival! (No pun intended xD)
Yep
So which is actually better? All this time just to tell us both are good
Now, now, the publications have to love all the sponsors equally.
Can someone straighten out the picture in the background?
The question is why are shimano selling oem 105 to bike companies very cheap but bumping the price up massively to the consumer via groupset sales?
Maybe because bike companies buy way more groups than your local bike shop? Also, SRAM is specced on fewer bikes
To squash SRAM by getting more riders on Di2. Also lets the bike brands make bigger profits. It’s win-win.
You really can’t compare prices, one is real world price, the other are an estimated MSRP this will drop significantly when the groupset are released in to the market.
Wait. Does 105 Di2 have Servowave in in it’s hoods? I keep reading (including Shimano’s own website) that only Ultegra and Dura-ace have Servowave, no?
It does not. 5:38
SRAM, not ShRam. There's a video or three on YT about how to pronounce it. 😉
The best one is the one you can get your hand on.
Shoplifter's mantra: The best one is the one you can get your hand on.
shimano wifi??? what is that?
Dont have confident on the sram front mech. Choose shimano for that.
Ribble has 150 pound digference between them, 105 is more expensive.
wow 115 gram lighter… that is less then a half shit.
Shimano is the best.
The groupset of the people....1720pounds.....yeeeeeah sure...what people exactly?
First year dentists and lawyers, who are still a few years down the line before they can lay down the big bucks for Super Record.
Hi, stupid question, but help me understand. Is it a big deal that on the 2-by, Sram is only 46t and the Shimano is 50t? For road bike, going flat, would you not want the bigger ring? Thanks
Yep...exactly..Im pushing a 52/36 ultegra mechanical and di2 on my bikes..
Yes but it has a 10 tooth small cassette ring as opposed to 11 tooth on the 105. That makes up for the smaller front gearing.
Rival do 48/35T too, and 43/30T (but that's because Sram roll gravel and road groups together) and the 10 tooth cog means that give or take there are a equivalents between the brands.
Much climbing and hills by me so I will prefer the larger range with 46/33 and 10/36. Having Rival installed this week on my 2020 Domane SL5. I'm more concerned with what I will gain climbing than lose on the flats although I don't believe I will lose much compared to my 50/34 and 11/34. On group rides where some of my friends pull away is on the climbs and rolling hills. I have no issues catching up to them when things level out.
depends on the range of your cassette. as correctly pointed out in the video SRAM offers a greater range of gears, even with the smaller large chain ring because of the 10-tooth cog in the back.
is sram still trying to tell us that 10t cogs make sense, lol
I actually love the 10t lol not because I actually use it but because it allows me to have better climbing gears while not feeling like I'm missing out on higher gearing
I'd buy you a pint if you would be able, in a blind test, to appreciate the difference in terms of friction or wattage when using a 10 or 11 teeth cog...
Same applies for Ceramicspeed oversized pulleys and similar
KR
@@nokia6800 Exactly. Much climbing and hills by me so I will prefer the larger range with 46/33 and 10/36. Having Rival installed this week on my 2020 Domane SL5. I'm more concerned with what I will gain climbing than lose on the flats although I don't believe I will lose much compared to my 50/34 and 11/34. On group rides where some of my friends pull away is on the climbs and rolling hills. I have no issues catching up to them when things level out.
Always the same comparisons between Shimano vs Sram.
They are not the only ones on the market. Is this a sponsor's question?
And the other competitors: LTwoo, Campagnolo or others. Let us know about them!
Let go and Dare...
Meanwhile there's a group of riders bragging about which Campagnolo groupo they can put on a bike, looking at everyone here like they're a peasant. To think, cycling was once a working class person's sport.
Di2is only half way, go for full wireless AXS and loose those cables !!!!!
Also lose your chain 😂
Whatever. It would be nice if I could afford either one. 😂😂😂
😂
Welcome to the club shimano 105 users! Better late…..😂
Most people just care about weight
Which is physically better or more cost effective? Debatable. Which should you choose? Easy! SRAM. Why? Because SRAM hasn't pulled a dick move (yet) like Shimano when they pulled support from the Karoo Hammered. Shimano proved that they will hurt their customers for petty reasons without a thought. SRAM might do the same in the future, but we know Shimano has and probably will again. Personally, I've owned a lot of bikes over my ~🎂50 years of riding , all have been Shimano equipped... All. That ended with a thud. I'm actively shopping for a new mtb, only SRAM equipped are considered. I'll continue to ride my Ultegra di2 Canyon as well as the other bikes in my stable (n+1), but the cassettes, chains, brake pads , etc that I replace in regular maintenance will not be Shimano.
Like yourself I’ve been riding as long as you have, the only difference is I was a Campy man. I think it was because as a teen in the early 70’s THE set to have Campy Record, then Simplex, then Hueret (spelling might be wrong) and Shimano was the worst. But my
loyalty to Campy ended when Red came out. I was sold on the fact that there’s no cables. It meant to me that I could put that on my Parlee Z1 no proble; which I did.
I was also in favor of SRAM, because around 1994-1996, I bought an old Stumpjumper frame, took it to work, realigned the frame, took off old braze-ons and welded new ones on, bead blasted it, painted it (3 color fluorescent fade), built the wheels, and back then the only choice for mtb groups was Shimano’s Rapid Fire. BUT, when SRAM entered the market with their Grip Shift, and 3 moving parts compared to Shimano’s, I believe it was 100+ moving parts to the Rapid Fire, I bought the first generation Grip Shift, and it did me no wrong for all the years I used that bike for every day transportation, just about every day in upstate NY.
For mtb and gravel the Sram etap 1x setups I think are the most robust, reliable, and cleanest drivetrain option you can have.
Maaaaan, don't be loyal to known..go with the one that best suits your style of riding..
SRAM all the way. Shimano has outdated cabling system and overpriced.
Yeah. That's because SRAM has all the patents!! It's not any technology issue
@@simonorr594 Shimano has more patents than SRAM like their cassette grooves, one isnt better than the other....
It seems to be an unpopular opinion, but connecting all the electronic components to a single battery makes much more sense to me, even if it adds a bit of complexity. This way, the bike is either charged, or not, and you don't always have another component running out of power. On an e-bike, this becomes even more obvious. Why have a separate battery for everything, when you have a huge central battery anyway.
@@PatrikStutz It is an unpopular opinion for two reasons.
1. Redundancy
2. Ease of maintenance
The redundancy issue is exactly what you highlighted there is one battery and a bunch of wires compared to 2 batteries and no wires
Now you could argue that the rear mech could be clobbered and you lose the battery and I agree but hey you can get a spare battery and be good to go
the ease of maintenance is again obvious I installed an SRAM eagle set up on my MTB in about 15 minutes it took longer to remove the cables of the old sysme than put the new system on not sure that I even need to do maintenance and chargin is a breeze you don't need to take the bike to the kitchen (like my firned who has no power to his garage) just the batteries and your are done you can even have spare batteries and just swap them out and you are on your way there are even after market batteries that are yello if you want to change up stuff
the only advantage I can see is that if you have a turbo setup then you have just one thing to charge????
on ebikes I agree having one central battery make sense.
@@simonorr594 they didn't have the parents before Shimano started making Di2 patents. And as stated above, Shimano is worse with patents
Mechanical for me, no expensive battery worries or expensive motor problems to EVER worry about & MUCH lighter weight
The best one is the one that you can afford.
What if i can afford both?
Afford to replace 😉
@@noeldanganan1638 hahahahaaaaa
@@noeldanganan1638 buy both and tell us
I wouldn't run these heavy ass electronic groupsets if they were free! Mechanical for the win...
Sram just offers more for cheaper
The best groupset is your MINDSET!
Shimano is always better . Because when all your friend use shimano , and all other bikes are shimano . You just don’t want to make just one bike imcompitable with others lol
Just for that you should go the other way around, if everyone is SRAM then you can share batteries in the middle of the ride if needed. I have had Shimano all my life both MTB and RB, the new Addict is my first SRAM and first electronic. I have no big complains only once or twice had a chaindrop in the front maybe the first or second ride (I can't say that has not happened with Shimano also), fine tuned it and it has never happened again, sometimes from the 10 tooth to the 11 tooth takes some time to shift, probably needs fine tuning.
@@solanogu ok I’ll go buy a sram red and try
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