Has SRAM Finally Beaten Shimano in the Groupset Battle? Your Questions Answered…
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- I’ve been racking up the miles on the new SRAM Red AXS review and I’ve had plenty of questions about it in that time so in this video I’ve set out to ask some of the most common questions I’ve been asked about it, following requests for your questions on social media and here on CZcams.
SRAM Red AXS first impressions • SRAM RED AXS Review - ...
CONTENT
00:00 Intro
00:36 How fast is the shifting?
2:20 Is the reach longer?
4:24 Are the hoods nicer than old Red?
6:08 What are the Bonus Buttons like to use?
7:38 Do Bonus Buttons remove need for Blips?
8:26 Are dropped chains a problem?
9:42 Loose and baggy hoods?
10:35 Are the disc brakes noisy in the rain?
11:44 Battery performance vs last gen?
12:29 With upgrading from Rival or Force?
13:29 Will they be 13 speed compatible?
14:28 Would I choose SRAM Red or Shimano Dura-Ace for a dream bike build?
16:43 Is it worth buying then?
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I owned the previous version of SRAM Force AXS and it was not a good experience. I've since replaced it with Ultegra Di2 which I'm much happier with. The main issue was the front derailleur dropping the chain on the outside of the large chainring. This would happen on every second ride on average and up to twice on a single ride. The rear shifting on SRAM Force was excellent, however, and I quite liked the wireless setup and easily removable batteries although battery life wasn't as good as Di2. The other issues like shift logic, hood shape etc are all things you get used to pretty quickly so not a real issue. I couldn't get past the front shifting issue though, even after taking it to four different mechanics, and this was the death knell for SRAM in my books. I invested around $5,000 (Australian) in purchase and mechanic costs trying to get this to work and I expected a lot better performance for this amount. Once bitten twice shy - I will never invest a significant amount on a SRAM groupset again when Shimano is a much more reliable option in my experience.
the same issue with SRAM Force D2, experiencing chain drops 5 to 6+ times on average per single ride. Shimano Ultegra Di2 ordered
Take it to a proper mechanic, running force axs on two bikes, when picked up from mikes bikes they both tossed the front when shifting occasionally, ended up picking up the red derailleur tool from sram and fixed the problem. Lots of miles on mine and better range than my shimano bikes.
I’ve just bought my first bike with electronic shifting. I was so tempted by the new sram stuff. But in the end I went with Ultegra Di2 12 speed. Three things did it for me. 1) Looks, I really prefer the looks of the Shimano stuff. 2) Price, buying the group set with the bike, the Sram Prices are definitely higher. 3) Weight, the sram stuff is definitely heavier.
In the end you pays your money you takes your choice. Just nice to have all this lovely new bike stuff to choose from. We live in a blessed time! 🙏🏻😎👍🏻
I definitely prefer the look of Shimano. The external batteries look so clunky on SRAM. The main reason I still use Shimano is simply because I’ve always used it and I’m afraid of change. It seems like the two are so closely matched that I could get used to SRAM in a few weeks if I made the change, and I probably wouldn’t even think about it after a while.
I own both Di2 and Axs...after about 5 mins you'd get used to it. They both work great!
I would always choose mineral brake fluid groupsets, dot 4 is just nasty.
Are you drinking it
shimano for the win!
No, it really isn't. We just have a generation of people that never worked on a car and don't understand why DOT is a much better brake fluid. Shimano marketing did a number on so many people.
SRAM overall architecture is more sensible with the removable batteries and full wireless. Also, it’s scary Shimano has not been able to fix their power meters, which have been demonstrably broken for a while. This indicates SRAM has better overall engineering and if they are not past Shimano in this generation, they probably will be in the next
Remember...there are people who struggle accepting that Campagnolo has long been passed up. I think that'll happen with shimano as well.
They just like what they like and it's all about sticking with your "team".
I own both di2 and axs ...and love them both
Just a heads up, pushing the saddle forward to reduce reach to the bars isn't best practice. Ideally we want to set the saddle position, then build the stem and handlebar lengths around your saddle position and your desired reach.
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Solid review. I've been Shimano or bust but will now consider SRAM for my next bike. Thank you.
When it comes to 1X Sram has it.
They have clutch rear mech on all their road groupsets.
I can use thier XPLR rear mech on a 10-36 or 10-44 cassette.
This works well with a 44 or 46 tooth ring which is also narrow wide.
Works great as a gravel or road groupset.
Much more variation and options in Sram.
I think they follow trends more quickly and feel more modern than a lot of the Shimano stuff.
That Sika looks incredible, can’t wait for the review ! 🙋♂️
Perfect info for me! Thanks!😊
I got a bunch of bikes, SRAM axs, GRX, just sold an Ultegra, Campy,old mech SRAM Red, shimano 105. They all work pretty good if you keep the parts in good shape, adjusted properly, and dont get funky with putting on aftermarket chains like KMC with the new AXS group.
I always found SRAM very sensitive to the yaw adjustment, which can cause them to spit chains, but appears to allow for cross chaining better.
Currently Im at the point where I like to swap parts around, and found AXS is just so clean and easy to switch around derailleurs , and living in the hilly Bay Area of CA, i like their climbing gearing.
I don’t have the new red, but I have sram on all bikes but gravel bike. It’s old school mechanical Grx. I swear it’s better than everything else I have including the XXSL transmission on my mtb.
No one complained about SRAM front shift speed that I heard. What they complained about was it throwing chains. Which is unacceptable for a $4k+ groupset.
and before someone comes in crying about how “it’s just because most mechanics are t good enough to set it up right” Okay, cool. If you design a product that only 30% of mechanics who deal with your product are competent enough to set it up properly, you’ve done a poor job designing the product.
Of course reach is an issue for some, you might as well say a 44 versus a 43.5 shoe isn't a problem!
This is a timely topic as I've been slowly shopping for a new road bike. My experience with electronic shifting is with AXS on a few mtn bikes I have, so part of me leans towards SRAM AXS for that reason alone - I already have batteries and chargers. Ergonomics are the key for me. I've run Campy on my road bikes for over 30 years because I prefer the Ergopower mechanical shifters over the Shimano or SRAM systems I've tried. I also like the fully integrated power meter and computer option for Red.
I haven't had the opportunity to try a complete bike with the new Red on it, but I did get to fondle the parts when I was at my LBS a few weeks ago and they had a set in for a mega-$$$$ build they were getting ready to start. The shifters do feel really nice in the hands. I just bought a new mtn bike instead (w/ AXS, coincidentally), so the new road bike will have to wait until next year (again...). My next debate will be do I buy a complete bike from one of the majors or go with a boutique custom frame.
David how do you like them 353 NSW wheels?
I've had AXS Red since it launched and really like it on 2 bikes. I recently got a new bike that has DuraAce 12-sp and also really enjoy it. The differences between the two are so minor - sure Shimano shift speed is faster but it's such a non issue - seriously. The bigger differences the way I see it are (1) SRAM's built in power meters actually work (2) Shimano is less expensive to change parts (cassette and chain, cassette especially if you chose Ultegra and a Force) (3) Changing chainrings is possible on Shimano and less $$ (I also wore through my 50T on AXS and had to get a new crank). (4) Sprint shifters on Shimano are far superior to SRAM. All perform great, feel great and have great tech with buttons and blips and screen controlling and all that great stuff. I'm thinking of switching my other bike to Shimano for no real reason, perhaps I'm just bored and want a "new" bike but this new AXS looks and sounds great
I have the new Red, and it's fantastic. Shimano still has the upper hand on front derailleur shifts, but Sram has surpassed them everywhere else IMO.
Outstanding review. Thanks. I'm not sure it's a big deal if the front mech changes a nano second faster or slower. I think the real action is always down on the back mech and the speed of changing there is what counts. I currently run Shimano on one bike and Sram on the other. Under load I experience way more chain drops on Sram than I do with Shimano. In fact a dropped chain with Shimano is a rare, rare thing.
The new Sram claim dropping a chain under load has been addressed. I tend to find the Sram braking is not as crisp as Shimano and I hope this is improved on with the new Red.
The bonus buttons are welcome. Maybe in future iterations they could evolve to be a little similar to old Campag thumb levers.
Interesting hearing about how fast changing gears is.
I prefer Shimano DI2 Ultegra for the road, but always Sram Eagle for my mountain Bikes as it just feels right. 😊
A disposable Power Meter?…..Crazy!!
I doubt you would put enough miles on your bike to reach “disposable” level. 😂
The Power Meter has to be changed when the chainrings are worn. My chainrings last appx 2 years. That’s going to be expensive
Shimano for road, Sram for everything else
As someone who has only ridden old school road bikes, I have never, ever ridden on the hoods. What's the best groupset for a shortish (163cm) woman with small hands please?
Sram broblem is short lifetime. Try to find 1gen wireless red parts 11 speed. Shimano you allways find replace parts and fits allkind of combinations. Dura-ace, ultegra, 105 👌
Shimano died a long time ago in my books. Sram is the future!
i dont think groupsets make a big difference... just work on getting fitter. If anyhting the gain is so minuscule
Before they finally re-introduce a crankset that does not look like an angle grinder from a budget hardware store with a built-in swastika and shiftlevers that do not look like Bigfoot's clipped toe nails, they will NEVER beat Shimano. Remember the original Red hollow carbon crankset? That was a thing of beauty!
They're beating shimano in that 1x and gravel game. It's not even close
Shimano eats sram for breakfast everyday. Shimano has way better braking control, way faster shifting on the rear, an actual functional front mech, long lasting battery life and consistent shifting control
shimano for the win!
I've bought a brand new 2023 Giant Defy Adv Pro 2 AXS bike three weeks ago, and I've already had the front derailleur dopping the chain two times during these 3 weeks, unfortunately. I do like my Rival groupset (it's a huge improvement over my old bike's full mechanical brake shifter set), but it's starting to being a concern for me.
Chain catcher and proper alignment and it will never happen again.
Making sure the FD is setup perfectly makes a difference. Not all mechanics take the time, especially from an assembly factory. Also, knowing when to shift the front is key on Sram. I'd have a good mechanic check the FD setup and you'll see improvements.
Ditto on the chain catcher: new Canyon Aeroad a year ago, fine at first, then occasional dropped chains. Got a chain catcher (very minimal weight penalty) and fine-tuned front mech & not a single dropped chain since.
Thanks guys!
Sorry David but you are contradicting yourself, you say that reach isn't an issue but after that you spend minutes on how you had to change first your position and then your handlebars, so it IS an issue, maybe a not a huge one but it is and as someone who can get annoyed when my saddle is a 4mm to low this can really be a difference.
3:29 Are you alright?
😂
Dura ace 9200 is 3 years old at this point, comparing it to a brand new weeks old groupset is madness.
No because it's their top of the line groupset just like this RED is.
A current Dura Ace Di2 group is also over 100g lighter, which is a pretty big consideration when choosing top of the line groups. I do really like SRAMs willingness to develop different approaches and interchangability, it also seems like SRAM has made pretty big progress in reliability, where as Shimano quality seems to be taking a nose dive in the past couple of years for some reason.
The Sram powermeter arrangement is incredibly dumb (but at least it works).
I've had 3 Sram mech groups in the past and hated them so much I swore off Sram and was amazed at how much better Shimano stuff worked when I first started using them, but Srams electronic groups have me interested again.
@@johnnycab8986the new red is lighter
@@kellrockets101 Dura Ace: 2,149g 2024 Red AXS: 2,383g
SRAM is still lagging on drive train efficiency which should be at the top of the list for all serious riders and racers...
can you elaborate?
@@userdjee834 Go see zero friction lab for all the actual numbers...
@@userdjee834Look at zero friction cycling. SRAM chain comes last. Dura ace pretty much first and it's durable.
@@userdjee834the 10t cog pared with the standard smaller chainring makes for terrible chainline efficeny. Their chain is also tested to be very inefficient
why all forgot campagnola?
It's the small things adding up together...
Mines the use of mineral vs DOT fluids for brakes...
I'll take mineral anyday
Erm.....Wheel top?
???
They need to stop making the hoods longer! They are screwing up bike fit for some of us. I'm going to be stuck riding undersized frames with horrible toe overlap.
SRAM AXS over Shimano Di2 any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Batteries outside the seat tube. Carbon crank arms. Etc., etc.
I like Sram, but they're miles behind Shimano in the entry/lower mid level groupsets. Where are their Sora/Tiagra level groupsets? Not everyone wants/ needs expensive stuff......and Sram don't cater for these people.
Those toes are pointed down awfully far in the beginning of the video. Not sure you’re fit to that bike correctly.
My group rides would most certainly disagree with you. At least one dropped chain per ride and it's always SRAM
Sram is a better innovator than shimano imo but i like shimano.
Shimano:
Terrible upgrade process on firmware. You need extra hardware or you need to bring in to your LBS. Additional cost.
No redundancy on battery. If your battery fails on the ride you are screwed. With Sram, you can swith batteries from RD to FD and can bring a tiny spare battery if you want.
Best to wait and see how many WT teams BUY SRAM stuff vs getting paid to use it? I'm no fan of Shimano but until we see WT teams using (as in buying) SRAM vs Shimano there's nothing much to say other than the usual marketing-maven BS where SRAM is undisputed champ!
SRAM is way ahead of Shimano. Something I like to take into account is usability. Living with the groupsets is also important. SRAM wins that as well. I think Bleeding Breaks is much easier on SRAM.
Shimano over Sram all day
Sram shit, shimano great
its cRaZy that sram cant shift up and down wither either side derailleur so you can have full bike control with only one hand on the bars like with shimano. I made a video on this. Once you ride a bike you can up and down shift on either hand with the other hand in your back pocket its IMPOSSIBLE to ride a bike that can't.
Dura ace Di2 is King! SRAM is Shit!
have SRAM finally beaten Shimano? well, certainly not in terms of looks, that front chain ring looks like its off some Fisher Price kids bike, bloody awful, I won't be putting one on my pride and joy however good they are!
SRAM has been superior for the last several years - just ask any mechanic who has had to figure out where the electrical fault is in an electronic Shimano groupset
SRAM brakes suck!
Agree 100%. Got sram breaks on my piece of shit Merida and they suck. Actually, I’ve got sram components on the Merida and the whole package sucks. The bike also sucks.
Ultegra is still better than sram red. I'd probably take 105 di2 over sram red.
Wow that’s intense a 105 lol. What is your reasoning?
Can you elaborate your reason ?
I disagree. I’ve ridden both and SRAM Red beats it hands down imo.
U like broken cranks?😅
Scram just doesn't shift as well as Shimano. I prefer that the satellite shifters connect to shifters. I have one set of blips that have died in less than a year. I don't care about Shimano chainrings b/c I buy carbon cranksets. And Shimano is lighter. I also hate the xdr hub, that scram makes to pigeon hole you