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MALD Decoys & C-17 LRASM Rapid Dragon vs Russia's Black Sea Fleet (WarGames 137) | DCS
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- We re-visit our scenario where the US Air Force attacks Russia's Black Sea Fleet using LRASM Rapid Dragon dropped by C-17. This time we add in more than one hundred ADM-160 MALD decoys to distract the Russia defences. How much different will the drones make?
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Mald is being used in tandem with storm shadow (wild weasel tactics)
Yup, works well: czcams.com/video/d6p0YY_VQZY/video.html
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Container launch the MALDs. Four C-17 two containing MALD and two containing LORASM. No fighters needed!
Did you ever place human on to SU 57 at this attack😂 I would ljke ti see how many SU57 you will destroy😂
Huge thanks to you gents (and ladies) for the incredible amount of work you must put in to cranking these videos out so often. I wish I could add a few more zeroes to this donation. These have become the highlight of my day.
Thanks hot!
Props to you man!
I would imagine that in a real attack they would time the LRASM launch to arrive right after the MALDs arrive on target. Maybe try to get the timing a little tighter next time
and once they stop shooting at the first targets, send the LRASMs first and screw with their heads
And they'd be spread out across the front instead of lumped up which makes them much easier to shoot down.
(Insert butthurt Russian comment here)
This is true but I also think this is useful for showing how hard timing it like that really would be
If there are an unrealistic number of B-52s, probably. That would make it too obviously a dummy. They would know we aren’t sending a spam level of B-52s to attack this fleet
Imagine the chaos if the C-17's dropped Rapid-Dragon/max loadout possible numbers of *MALDs*, and it's a smaller flight of fighters who drop a smaller number of LRASMs.
MALDs on the C-17s and HARMs on the F-15s
@@stupidburp followed by F-35s carrying LRASMs
You should be selling the movie rights to this Cap - a real thriller and the good guys won. US was looking at integrating them into their B-52's, with a potential capacity of 20. US has more than a few B-52's. And I suspect that LRASM can be programmed for time on target IRL than you could possible try to set up. Great stuff.
@@alexvives1335 Why unstealth the F35? Have other assets launch the decoys and cruise missiles, then the F35s come in with SDBs and pick off whatever is left over.
@@dgthe3 fair enough.
Your missile tracking issues may be partly due to server load from the number of assets the game is trying to process at once, essentially its updating each asset less frequently so the course corrections are coming later than they would in a smaller engagement.
Excellent video and I believe the US has their strategy down to a science in the real world with the latest versions of decoys, rapid dragon and JAASSM/LRASM, extended range HARM. Add to that the AIM-120D3, AIM-260, and several other missiles known to be in early development (but who knows which will make it to full implementation), and finally, the selection process for the NGAD fighter was just announced wtih an initial design decision anticipated in 2024.
I feel for you Cap! I was going to mention it and then someone said it at the end of the video, just 25% PK rate for all blue missiles, and the reds had all of their damage done by firing only half the number of missiles. So odd.
Kudos to the humans for putting up a decent fight despite being severely hamstrung by their highly ineffective missiles
This was really freaking cool the last time you did this mission, and WAY freaking cooler this time around!!! Those decoys have really been a game changer, and to see this in numbers against a mission backdrop that you just recently did was a brilliant proof of concept!!! Great flying as always Grim Reapers!!!
This is going to be an interesting one! :D However iam missing the MiG-31 from here, because Russia would 100% use them to intercept the incoming C-17s
(Off topic, The Type 26 Frigate is ready by CH. :D Iam waiting for your review of it! :D)
Still gonna be out of range, C-17 can just fire a little more faraway, LRASM's has 560km+ range, r37m max range of 400.
I would love to see the US randomly put some guidance and warheads on some of the MALDs when adversaries start to get wise. Imagine the "code brown" not knowing if it's gonna blow up or not? 😅
What a battle though, cracking job Cap and fellows, that was a lot of fun to watch 🎉
Lots of fun, thanks. Fly did an awesome job up until the time he lost his F22.
One of the better simulation GR has put out. Intriguing stuff.
I would imagine a simultaneous attack on the S400 and the BSF to overload the strategic C2. The Russian C2 is poor and very inefficient so a two pronged attack would crash their real-time reporting.
At this point, I think ordering a pizza would overwhelm Russian command & control.
Caught it at 35 seconds. My life is complete.
Great video. Would be interesting to see if a two-plane group of HARMs on the two attack vectors would fire a little bit after the MALDs are released and if that would affect the amount of SAMs going out
I can't help but to wonder how the boys would have faired with AIM-120C-7's instead😅 All in all still brilliant work and bloody entertaining, lol just gotta get them D's workin ;)
Nice sim! Had me watching to the very end...🙂Having a SEAD group might help. The decoy and ASM attack timing didn't seem optimal.
From what little I have gathered on that decoy drone it has the RCS of B-52. Now your a Russian SAM site and you see 100 B52's coming at you are you legitimately going to ignore a bomber that can carry 70K pounds of pain for your country coming at full speed.
The rumor I heard which take with a grain of salt is that they can make it model different planes RCS’s
@@Elduderino1999 Oh yes IRL, dunno about in game but since the AI shoots it anyway it doesn't matter.
They'll make it look like a legit strike package.
@@Elduderino1999 not modelled in game.
Wow missions are getting complex.
Great job.
Literally nothing could survive this. The battle was over after just reading the title and seeing the thumbnail.
Nice! I am so excited for this video!
I think the F-15 could probably carry 14 MALDs each, 3 on each wing pilon and 4 on each CFT. Some things to note are that the SU-57 would not be used I'm sure you know that already, SU-35s are not stationed in crimea as they kept getting harassed by drones, there are 6 S-400 sites on crimea 4 of which are relevant to this simulation. Another thing is that the black sea fleet has much less capable ships in it with probably the most capable classes being the Krivak-II and the Karakurt
Cap "I dont think this going to go well" proceeds to sink everything in site. Lol, love it.
Watching all these LRASM's go, is like the scene in Maverick with the cruise missiles
Am I the only one who has wondered and looked for then finally just did the math myself to figure out how many rapid dragons a C5 Galaxy could carry? It appears the answer is 135!!!!! Damn I’d love to see that, lol!
Also remember that the US would attack at night to give them even more of an advantage. I know that wouldn't make a good video though.
Yeah, superior situational awareness is gonna play a big part.
War slows inflation.
Well done, Cap & Reapers!.
25:35 HOLY SHIT NICE EVADE
Larsm time on target could be tighter
This is a great video of what could possibly happen or be used in real life!!!
Growlers and HARMs would be a game changer in DCS.
Al though it has the rcs of upto a b52. It would probably be pretending to be a few f 16s for example. I belive it can mimic multiple aircraft at a time and turn on and off. So you could in theory have real missiles killing phantom planea.
A couple of HARMs to follow up on the S-400s would be a nice addition if possible.
You bet! Well done GR
25:29 that missile was visibly confused.
This is a variant of Russian attrition doctrine in that whereas Russia would commit approximately 300 planes expecting 100 to actually make it through.
Sending decoys uses the same reason... much less expensive though.
excellent look into the future of combat.
next have decoy drones well forward as modeled here with XQ-58 50nm back armed with say 2x AIM-9x each and f15ex 50nm back from the XQ-58.
the f15ex would command the xq-58's and act as offensive decoys against enemy fighters.
the cost of 1 f15ex= 10 xq-58's. cost of the pilots =priceless.
Red fired a lot more SAM's which the tracker wasnt counting, the long range S400 missiles wernt being picked up.
Rgr noted, I guess I forgot to add that type into the scoreboard.
Has anyone IRL sketched out a "missile bucket"? A unmanned and cheap "decoy with teeth" that can be loaded down with missile and flown in large numbers head on into heavy CAP with it's only goal being to get close enough fast enough to fire all it's missile before getting shot down? The tactic I'm thinking of would be to launch missiles that are just good enough to force the reds to expend time, countermeasures and fuel avoiding them. Actually shooting anyone down would be a bonus, but the primary point would be to just keep them occupied and unable to accomplish their defensive mission.
Taking the F15 missile truck to the nth degree!
In one of Tom Clancy's books, Red Storm Rising, the Russians used Kelt Missiles to fake the Americans to shoot most of their missiles then launched their main attack from Backfire bombers.
In real life scenario they would recognize the bait and go for real target ❤❤❤❤❤ love the game by the way 🎉🎉🎉🎉
You'd be wrong. The decoys were used in Ukraine recently, and russia shot down their own air assets as a result of them being used.
I'd like to see how many rapid dragon pallets a C5 Galaxy could carry
Timing is crucial in the scenario
This is a good simulation to view.
These are fun, but one thing that isn't accounted for is Submarines.
There are no subs in DCS.
That was good!
As the Russians have had problem with Fratricide (SAMs taking out MiGs and SU’s) you should show a SAM taking out 1 or 2 SU’s. Problem with the SU-57’s - The Russians aren’t flying them in Ukraine because they don’t have more than a few of them, and those they have aren’t production versions.
I was wondering if we could do an ALL Stealth (F-22’s, F-35’s, F-117’s & B-2’s) on the Russian fleet with a “Time on Target Attack” as the Russians did with the Patriot Battery.. I think it would be really good if you could show the effects of stealth in this kind of battle.
32:20 I think the seekers are a bid wild today. The one AIM 9 X going for the flares didn't even go for the flares, but like 10 degrees below them
This is an obscenity! How dare you!
Ahh yes, SEAD is all coming together now! It would be nice to see a full scale SEAD strike complete with F-35 AGM-88Gs against an integrated S400 regiment!
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2:40 Do we know for certain that any of those Russian ships are seaworthy? It would probably be a more realistic test if the Russian fleet was tied up in port.
It's a bit of a guess TBH.
Nice! ;) Cool 1 CAP!
Imagine being in the fleet, trying to defend against everything being thrown at you from the air, then the sea-drones show up 💀
War game/ video idea: could the modern Dutch Air Force withstand the ww2 German air attacks in the country?
In the news recently:
UK Type 31 to get Mk 42 VLS
Type 45 to get 24 Sea Ceptor nd 48 Aster 30
Type 36 Frigate 48 Sea Ceptor and 24 Mk42 VLS
Wildcat helicopters with Martlet and Sea Venom
Would love to see these assets modelled for UK and European Naval war games, understand the complexities and expense but the RN seems to be modernizing and expanding its forces a lot atm.
What I love about these videos is basically how can we nerf USA versus the best of everyone else. The amount of American support that's ignored and the amount of the let's trust the reported numbers from other nations is outstanding. Recently Russian specs have been proven horribly wrong.
I wonder if the decoys could be used against aircraft, I am thinking cause a scramble. Then wait for the enemy to run out of fuel, RTB then throw missiles up their tailpipes.
Well done!
I enjoy the video. Instead of the su57 wouldn't the mig-31 flying long range support for russian airspace make more sense?
Could the decoys be launched truly mixed in with LRASMs / Strom shadows? I mean, could the same plane carry both at the same time? Maybe the F15 could manage 2 LRASMs and 10 MALDs, judging from what we have seen here... That would explain why the SAM cant just let the decoys go...
Isn't the radar emulated in DCS for the Russian SAMs? And if so, wouldn't it cause the SAM sites radars to work harder if the decoys are spread out more.
If the missles are in a tighter group, it's harder to distinguish between individual targets at longer ranges depending on the pulse width. If you're using a long pulse width, you have a longer range but lower resolution. If you're using a short pulse width you get a higher resolution but a shorter range. You can increase the range of a short pulse width with a higher output power, but at a certain point a certain point you run into the principle of diminishing returns.
I'd recommend you refer to this Wikipedia article for the theory.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_width#:~:text=Increasing%20the%20pulse%20width%20increases,length%20of%20the%20received%20pulse.
decoy can destroy radar if direct hit :D
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Would be great if an engagement ring could could be displayed on the map which would adjust according to the selected aircraft or missiles speed and altitude. Perhaps as a 3d map option. Good for visualising the gaps in defences.
any chance you will make any of these mods available to the Public? just curious if that is possible for you to share or if there is any plans of sharing. thanks for any response and appreciate the awesome videos! having a blast watching them, only been messing with DCS for just over a week so barely flying right but getting there!
Given this fictional scenario would it not be true that if you did see all those decoy missiles clumped together you would still have to fire at them because they are decoys for a reason? What country is going to spend near $50 million firing decoys if not to hide real missiles among them? So surely even this brute force attempt would have to be defended against...
Has anyone fielded a decoy/missile? That would be a platform that's primary intended to act as a decoy, but with enough teeth to make it a very expensive mistake to not take it seriously? It would be a real annoyance to have a decoy get all the way thought a defensive network and only scrape paint.
Makes me wish the US Navy would have followed up with the VLS version of LRASM
Can we do a series on what can stop an Arclight B-52 bombing raid, maybe start with ME-262s
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Imagine if he did it with 20 C-17 with Rapid Dragon 😭
Imagine how many C-5 could drop lmao or Boeing's Dreamlifter!😆👍
In my view within visual range Russian jets are more lethal than American missing that aspect😮😮😮😮😮
I would like to point out, S-400’s do not turn off their radar. They are equipped with IFF, and such systems have been in use since WW2, so not sure where you heard that from. Also, Russia’s aircraft are specifically designed to operate within their SAM net, making it a much more powerful defensive package. So, not sure where people got this idea from.
It’s because you can’t imply that the Russians are competent or capable of beating the west on CZcams.
@@AlTheBarbarianlooking at ukraine a third rate millitary thatnrussia is stuggling to beat , they probably can't
@@AmirShafeek already wrong. To say Ukraine is weak or third rate is the weakest talking point out there. They are the second largest military in Europe. They are backed by the entire west.
This. But with B1, B2 and B52's spamming HARM's AMRAMM and Tomahawks.
Lol, what it cap, because the Pentagon will be knocking at you're door soon, asking you to be their War games master!!!!
the 57 has an rcs of a clean f18 so how exactly is it half stealth lol its been pretty much decided that it doesn't even make it into 5th gen categories
You guys do great work despite being biased against the USA. I was wondering if it is possible to model the cost of the armament on each ship in addition to the construction cost?
Can't blame technology being biased towards the Americans, it'll be bit difficult to calculate cost of the armaments from the ship and SAM sites, you'd have to count individually.
This is what $6B in ammo looks like.
I know it makes for better videos, but the Russian pilot skills are set way to high lol, from all the reports I've seen most russian pilots don't even get 4 hours a week, some don't even get 4 hours a month in a plane. Keep up the great work!!
Since the S-400s' threat areas are so much farther north than the launch threshold for the LRASM, why not attack from the northern coast of Turkey?
Again there would always be real missiles mixed in they would never not fire at them because that could be worse.
Is it just me or does the 3d model of the ADM-160C look wrong in terms of proportion?
I have no idea TBH.
Remember: Exact same thing can happen to US Patriot and Carrier strike group! 😮
If the US decided to shoot at themselves, sure lol. No other nation has all of the tech that was displayed here.
Black Sea Fleet is Black Sea Fish Feed..
22:10 there are some weird artifacting that looks like a hit marker
Hey guys, any chance you can do another Australian defence video? As an Aussie, you locked me in with the Darwin defence. Would love to see how the c17's with LRASM's, and the b52s would do with the darwin defence, with the f35 scrambling closer than katherine. OR even a scenario where Australia is on the way to help with a Taiwanese defence of an invasion from China
Cap, I love your videos, watch them daily and always mash the like button. Has anybody ever heard of using the AGM-88 against ship radar? Will the DCS damage model allow you to damage or destroy ship radar?
It hits ships in game BUT doesn't damage the ship's radar.
do u guys have drones in the simulator and can you compare them
now do on the crimeria bridge. on a low budget.
I would like to see a combination of the Bismarck, Tirpitz, and maybe one more? and the Yamato versus the USS New Jersey, USS Wisconsin, USS Alabama, and one other. It just seems like it would be an amazing matchup in my opinion
This is beyond the pale
I CRAVE MORE!!!! seriously though.....
Have you guys done ship launched LRASMs?
Also i like having the lines showing direction of travel on the map, very much helps with understanding..
Not yet.
As mysterious and enticing as ever... I'll wait patiently..
My question is whether mald can take evasive maneuvers.
why are there no lightning 2s?
Time to start doing a bunch of F16 vs Rus targets and planes....... Oh and a new F16 paint scheme , Ukraine blue/grey digital camo please.
hope to see the mod of this agm158c，it's wonderful!
DO YOU THINK IN REAL LIFE THAT THE RUSSIAN WOULD FALL FOR THAT ... AND WHERE DID THE ATTACK BEGAN BECAUSE RUSSIAN WOULD SEE IT FROM AT LEAST A 1000 MILES AWAY .... IT IS SOMEHOW UNREALISTIC SENARIO
so from this and what we see in real life in Ukraine.... production of Mald needs to greatly increase.
question....could an SU-57, in BVR engagement, be fooled by and fire on a MALD imatating an F15/16/18???
Yes and
Yes definitely, but not in game for air AI apparently...
In game AI AWLAYS assumes they are cruise missiles.