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6th Gen NGAD Squadron vs Two 4th/5th Gen Russian Fighter Air Wings (WarGames 177) | DCS
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2024
- Our third look at the US Navy 2030 6th generation NGAD concept. This time we put a squadron of Naval NGADs against two air wings of Russian 4th and 5th generation fighters: Su-57, Mig-31 and Su-35.
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8:20 Battle
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NGAD Battles:
NGAD Squadron vs F-22 & F-35 Air Wing: czcams.com/video/U8W90rb4rQs/video.html
NGAD Squadron vs 2 x Russian Air Wings: czcams.com/video/LdV-zF43iFA/video.html
NGAD Squadron vs China Air Wing: czcams.com/video/bfMYuWFrPoM/video.html
NGAD Squadron vs F-22 Squadron: czcams.com/video/bzdnlXIjP7w/video.html
NGAD VS SR-72 ;)
raptor put up the biggest fight out of any of the planes
Idea for U.S. adversaries VS NGAD instead of just throwing bunch F-22's to make it more fun! First grid-lines, RQ-9 Reapers, ST-21's with AIM-152 GDW's, and YF-23's! Second grid-lines, HAVE GLASS F-16's, F-15STOL/MTD's, and F-15EX's! Last grid-lines, YF-12A's with AIM-260's, F-35A's, and Chrome/Metallic F-22's!🙏👍
CZcams neglected to notify me of this video. I'll be watching it momentarily, with fervor.
If your specs for these aircraft do not match the real NGAD, I think they should change the NGAD to model your specs. Excellent match. Well played, and well designed. Thanks for this latest evolution of excellent aviation simulation!
I've started welcoming people to my home with "Hello valued viewers", and while none of them really understand, it amuses me and that's all that matters in the end.
I keep doing it IRL also and people look at me like I'm a real weirdo.
If you want to make an interesting test fight for the NGAD, I recommend seeing how they perform defending an attack. So far all your videos have had the NGAD on offense, if they had to defend a naval base or battle group from an attack it mitigates their ability to dictate the engagement. Best thing I can think of to keep NGAD from just always having a shooting gallery.
Yeah, could do a secret Guam attack. Roleplay could be that a massive solar flair, knocked out communications for 24 hours allowing them to sneak a 2 carrier groups in to ambush a "NGAD" Froward operating base. Put the fleet 100-200m out from the base and have 4wings of china in the air with more deploying prior to NGAD base finding out about the incursion.
But thats true of any weapon system. Same with nuclear. If you're gonna punch that ticket you better take out ALL of the enemy assets before they can muster a response.
I agree that this would be a challenging scenario.
Yes will do thanks.
Technically that is fa-xx. NGAD is next generation air dominance both the USN and ASAF have independent programs both called NGAD f-x is USAF FA-XX is USN
Yeh I know, just used that model for it.
@@grimreapers can you call it FA-XX though just to clarify because NGAD is different for the USN and USAF
What's astounding about these NGAD sims is how outstanding these results are utilizing a comparatively half-assed version of what the actual platform is supposed to be like in real life. Even with the AI being silly at times, the moments it does work, the AI makes an absolute killing.
Terrifying stuff really, but when you realize that this thing is designed to counter what our adversaries are expected to bring to the field in the coming decades, I suppose it shouldn't be all that surprising.
I've been thinking the exact same thing. Probably unrealistic thermal setup, guessing on RCS (probably way stealthier), and missing perhaps the most dangerous part of the NGAD--the sensor suite and integrated drone control systems--and its still able to absolutely pulverize anything that comes its way.
I think the US is making the same mistakes the germans made at the end of WW2 with their wonderweapons. The price of the NGAD is shooting past $300 million per airframe. At those prices, it starts getting cost effective to drop FOBS on airfields with NGADs. Much less what happens if a couple of saboteurs with drones and thermite bombs might do.
The future of warfare is going to be cheap, distributed and increasingly blurred between civilian actions and military actions. These overpriced show pieces will probably never get used because there aren't any targets worth using them against or get destroyed by being blown up on the runway or having their supply/maintenance chains attacked/sabotaged.
Right now as good as the F35 is, half of them can't fly because there aren't enough spare parts and facilities to maintain them. What happens if the few facilities that make those spares get hit with a chinese/russian 'stuxnet' attack?
Yeah, IMO they're really selling the NGAD short on kinematics and may be underestimating just how efficient the engines are going to be. If those engines are as good as i'd expect they're going to be as far ahead of current jet engines as the early postwar jets where ahead of piston aircraft.
yup, adaptive cycle turbofans get their best performance increases in the supercruise range I think. @@darthkarl99
2030 Russia will probably have J-20! 😂😂
Not likely, china is their friends on paper, and might supply a few trucks and a crate of ammo (with a 300% margin), but not its prime aircraft.
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul China is friends on paper to a lot of countries. This was more of a joke about how Russia can’t produce its own equipment.
@@bourbonbrigade Russia could be sporting j-20, indeed, as a region of China :)
A common joke here in Mordor.
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul 😂😂
If you removed the sidewinders from the NGAD, could you fit 4 more Peregrine missiles in it? They have both infrared and radar tracking built in. While they will not go the longer ranges of AIM missiles, they reach well beyond the stealth's detection range. In addition, they are supposed to be a lot cheaper and easy to manufacture. The more I read about them, the more impressive they seem. A possible game changer with the rise in drones. I envision a B-21 complete with Peregrine missiles used as drone swarm defense.
That's the idea; im not sure DCS supports mult-modal targeting but they definitely want to replace the older AMRAAMs and AIM-9s with two of these per rack. Raytheon's mentioned they could fit in stacks of 4 like SDBs so maybe 2 JATMs and 8 Peregrines on the F35 is a potential loadout
We currently only have single sensor missiles but we are going to make an IR-version of the Peregrine for next battle.
@@grimreapers Idea for U.S. adversaries VS NGAD instead of just throwing bunch F-22's to make it more fun! First grid-lines, RQ-9 Reapers with Peregrine's, ST-21's with AIM-152 GDW's, and YF-23's! Second grid-lines, HAVE GLASS F-16's, F-15STOL/MTD's, and F-15EX's! Last grid-lines, YF-12A's with AIM-260's, F-35A's, and Chrome/Metallic F-22's!🙏👍
@@grimreapers if that's too many different aircraft... then-- First grid-lines, ST-21's with AIM-152 GDW's, and YF-23's! Second, HAVE GLASS F-16's, and F-15EX's! Last, YF-12A's with AIM-260's, and Chrome F-22's!😅🙏
@@grimreapers A 2nd seeker would be most agreeable! Now if only we knew what the 3rd seeker was... I didn't know that about it lofting like that, Cap. Thanks for that.
I would imagine, the US is planning on countering it's own technology in the future. When the the US releases the ngad it'll already well along the path of its nngad. Why? It knows that even the ngad will experiences losses which will get captured and then accelerate the baddies technology however the US will already have a well developed answer in the nngad keeping it one step ahead at all times by knowing where the baddies technology comes from (because they can't do this themselves).
Or maybe the threat of the unknown or being constantly dominated will keep the baddies in check.
But, by being the world leaders means you always have a benchmark to beat, in this case yourselves.
its the only product the US can sell in this day and age. Because the US is losing out to china economically selling weapons is the only way the US remains competitive. It might also show that the US is losing confidence in the F35 because so many of them are having maintenance issues and crashing
Your friendly f22 pilot here with another input;
1. Coordinated attack with 5th/6th Gen… assign a lead to keep the formation Line Abreast, 0.9 IMN and turning hot/cold view “hot left/right” calls… this helps not have multiples 10 nm in front and/or 10nm behind which means shot range and coordinated intercept is all messed up. Simultaneity (it’s real word I think) is critical even against AI.
2. Lead: always give a little power to wingman. You should rarely be in Mil or full AB…. Technique: admin phase post takeoff select 90% Mil to allow extra power for you wingman. However, once you commit its full rage (as discussed preciously) to maximize killing and kinematics.
3. Don’t shoot at 90 miles! Way too long and minor maneuvers from red will cinematically defeat. I can’t tell you specific ranges due to security issues but pick a range (50-60nm) in the heart of the envelope at 1.2 IMN 10 deg nose high to Fox3.
4. Call your merges!!! Call it early like 10nm or once you’ve made your merge decision to avoid blue on blue frat!! This is Air Combat Maneuvering (ACM) 101.
5. ACM the first to merge is the “engaged fighter” all others entering the fight are support fighters. Engaged fighter focuses on BFM and killing. Supper fighters focus on deconfliction from engaged fighter and sanitizing/ killing other red fighters entering merge/ furball…. blue on blue “Frats” are heinous and punishable by owning the squadron a keg and calling the wife/GF and or Mom of the deceased pilot you killed!
Still in the setup and deployment of forces portion, but had to chuckle heartily that poor Strider really got the "FU" with the longest distance to zone XD
Can you make the F-35 use a penagrine missile please?
Will do eventually.
For realism, Russian GBAD should be targeting Russian assets....
considering the way it's going for them right now I highly doubt they'll have any su 57s before long. Definitely won't be able to afford any new ones lmao
It is interesting how the concept of a large long range high speed missile truck,which was the doctrine of the 1950s and 1960s but was abandoned for the more multi-role platforms is now finding it’s place with improved sensors, data links and stealth.
NGAD is optimized for all signatures: RCS/Visual/Heat etc… it’s better than any 5th Gen you can assume. Great job guys!
Now if we can do a Taiwan invasion scenario again but featuring NGAD
2030s china will be fielding their own stealth attack drones in large numbers. Including ones with air to air capability. It would be like, a handful of NGADs vs a couple hundred chinese drones.
So much work on these models!
I'm a viewington Wuington 😊
Truly Next Generation Air Dominance!! Definitely need to put it against the current US 5th gen.... just to see how it goes.
Also drop the 9x's for another 2 Peregrines.....
Wow. Funny thing is i imagine most enemy airforces would turn tail and run after taking 50% losses to their force, without a confirmed kill to the other side.
Well when it happened to Iraq against the Iranian F15s which were hitting them BVR they voluntarily downed their whole air force for a while scrambling to figure out what the hell was taking down their planes.
Can you figure a way to add the cost of unfired missiles from downed planes, to give a better cost per battle?
While these videos are fun, I don't think we have a clue in hell what the capability of NGAD will be. You don't prepare to retire the F-22 unless you're confident in what it's replacement is. When the US goes super quiet on a new aircraft you know they got something cooking.
RE: Cap on the AWACS range. Either NGAD itself or an F-35 flying in relatively close support would serve as the AWACS. F-35's even right now in present day have been nicknamed tiny AWACS, let alone in 2030. I know you were merely attempting to add reason to what we were seeing on screen, but in the end it's just another point where DCS is a limitation and I'm 99% sure in the real world, data link and sensor network range would solve those issues.
Oh, also, of course, thank you for the video as well! GR is at the forefront of NGAD and loyal wingman simulation on the public internet tubes. You, Dark, CH, SImba, all accomplishing so much with little dev support.
The battle would just not work without AWACS as DCS requires them. I could always make them invisible and immortal, that would effect make them a moot point and allow the battle to work still.
I thought the thumbnail said 69 fighters and immediately went "nice". Disappointed.
JK I love you cap o7
lol
Excellent breakdown! GS
I'm British so naturally support the Underdog in these Battles 🙂 , Becoming hard hard viewing just lately 😂
Underdog best dog.
accurate US vs Russia battle
Something everyone one seems to keep forgetting is that the reason no country(with the possible future exception of china, but I wouldn't hold my breath) has been able to match what the USAF is capable of, is that if we're playing chess, they're playing checkers. Most, if not all other countries practice Air Superiority. The USAF practices Air Supremacy. The difference is in Air Superiority, the opponent can at least do something to oppose you. In Air Supremacy, all they can really do is spam manpads like stingers. While other nations may have Air Supremacy in doctrine, none of the seem to demonstrate the capability to actually do it(though as stated before, China seems to be at least getting on the right track, but since they're trying to close a 30yr gap in tech as we continue to advanc, I, again, wouldn't hold my breath).
Maybe try the Rafale with the MICA-ir
I think the future of air warfare is going to start involving attritable drones with good missiles. I can forsee TB2 sized drones made almost entirely of radar absorbent material carrying Hobs just loitering over the battlefield and networked to engage hostile aircraft the moment they detect on IR. They would be basically like flying mines and take down $300 million superfighters for pennies.
The best part is they dont even need an airfield, they can be launched, recovered and rearmed on a small stretch of road or even vertically launched.
Self defence DEWs make large fighters futureproof, so I don’t think we will ever see purely drone engagements, but they 100% will play a big role in the future. That’s the way the USAF is trending with some other countries following behind.
czcams.com/video/fWYY6KHIrK4/video.htmlsi=Zok3780E-7pDsU1J
You’re friendly F22 pilot again w some inputs;
1. NGAD won’t fly within visual range of each other (like F22 prior comments). With their sensor suite (I’m sure not modeled correctly) spread them out 20-30 away…
2. No reason to use AB (fuel) unless killing aka giving energy to the missiles. Fly subsonic until meeting commit range (see my comments on F22 tactics).
3. Fuel: treat fuel like a weapon. Only “use it” as necessary.
4. Basic Fighter Maneuvers (BFM) aka dogfight (real pilots don’t call it dog fighting)… after you’ve attrited the red to reasonable merge numbers (see prior comments) and YOU decide to buy a merge and do BFM…. Offset both materially and vertically = get off horizon!! Come in at an angle with an aspect (lots to talk about here but I won’t) of 30-40 degrees off either high or low. This allows you to drive the fight, determine red awareness (do they turn into you?) stay out of radar search (not likely) and survive the merge (if you think they see you flare inside 10nm).
5. Hit the merge slightly above corner velocity (425-435 knots) and DO NOT break into bandit until you see rapid Line of Sight (LOS)!!! You want to fly through his control zone (again too much to talk about here… select Max AB when out of heat WEZ and break. Ugh so much to talk to.
6. Blow through = a tactic you can use in 5th Gen & NGAD (maybe not modeled in DCS) to offset from lower threats… fly past them and target primary threats depending on mission. Example: blow through lead red escorts to kill bombers on a DCA mission. Prioritize you missiles for “the mission”
As always… love these and you guys are doing great! Keep them coming and reach out to me if you want advice… cold killers you are let’s go!
Looks great on my phone, thanks!
Id love to see you do a reeinactment of red dawn. maybe just the one town, but make sure armed civilians were included in the fight. Not just the 6 or 7 high schoolers.
The concept of red dawn is preposterous. And subheading ground ops in dcs is pointless as it would be absolutely inaccurate
that was interesting for sure.
hits seem legit even though the peregrine missiles require a direct hit (does not have a warhead). I figure you are right stating the peregrine works best fired at distance.
please man, make missile anti-ship zircon hypersonic !!!
Note that when talking about the RCS, m2 (meters squared) is not the same as square meters. 4m2 is 16 sq m.
Please create a scenario with NGAD, SR-72, and B-21! All three 6th gen aircraft in one vid!🙏👍
and do an ace combat style mission where they're trying to penetrate chinese airspace guarded by air defense lasers to hit a giant railgun installation.
Dunno if SR72 would be in a combat environment since it’s just recon
@@totalnerd5674 not just recon, its ISR Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance, however it's also planned as a strike aircraft
@@Anarchy_420 ok didn’t know about the strike part.
@@totalnerd5674 np😄✌
The way things are looking, the NGAD won't ever make it into service(cause we're all gonna be gone) Great video guys.
Still working on my big engine stuff writeup, but one thing i'd like to see you dois create a loadout for the NGAD's with legacy AIM-120D3's, you use peregrine elsewhere so little it's very hard to seperate what's the aircraft from what's the weaponry.
What about NGAD vs YF23 (in Su-47 colors)? Let's have two concept aircraft fleets have at it.
OK cool.
Well.... according to Maverick, it's "the pilot, not the plane". 😁
Well according to Growling Sidewinder, the plane matters too
I would’ve thought NGAD would’ve been built to out turn anything in the air for when they end up in range of heaters and guns. Not being able to turn kinda negates the “Air Dominance” part of the name. Would probably be easy meat for a TIE fighter in your sci-fi crossover battle.
Idea: Joint Russian Chinese fleet vs NGAD + F35
ngads seat look just like my volkswagen polo´s seat. :D
Where's damp sockington? Have you banned him or did he "accidently" chatted online with sexy boys and is in trouble?
Yeah! Where is sock?
Damp is current military, and I believe active duty. He disappears for weeks at a time because of either a temporary deployment or such. He'll be back, in fact he was just in a video not too long ago. And I believe he also has his own CZcams channel
He doesn't want to play with DCS mods anymore, that pretty much puts him out of WarGames type battles. He still joins in with the big missions.
I was looking at Turkish naval strength ( for no reason at all) and they have an interesting flagship. It was apparently a helicopter carrier but is now basically a drone launching platform. I like the concept. I have a friend who works drones in the Mideast from a base in the United States… retired from the navy because he was unable to meet physical standards but was immediately hired as a contractor and works in the same office for considerably more than the people that fired him. The point being I see the pilots in the near future comfortably sitting in their air conditioned office
with Baykar Kizilelma stealth carrier launch drone, things will get very interesting for the Turkish airforce and Turkish navy, for now the RCS value according to some sources (not formal ones) is 0.3 but the target RCS value is about 0.001 which is considered very stealthy, the drone can fire A-A missiles, long range cruise missiles, guided bombs, the first flight for the drone was done in 2022 and the drone should be fully operational in 2025, there will be further developments for the drone until 2028
@@ahmadalastal5303 bayaraktar is only good against rebels not actual militaries🤣
@@ion8264
I am talking about kizilelma, maybe you thought about TB2 or TB3 ?
@@ahmadalastal5303 yeah its good if you are fighting against tiny nations like greek. Anyway i have great respects for turks
@@ion8264 I’m not addressing the system so much as the concept. Gr has been running scenarios with the hornets acting as missle trucks. Launching climbing to altitude dumping missles and letting the awac run it. Imagine the same scenario with 20 drones off the back of a tyco or arliegh Burke. Times 7-8 escort ships it could be a huge force multiplier at a minimum cost as all the tech is really in place. It doesn’t have to be stealthy because every missle the take is one less against a manned aircraft .
....what about, shooting down a load of cruise missiles, using only old fashioned rear-aspect heat seekers/ old Sparrow missiles?
Should work.
Keep in mind Russia has 21 Su-57s (10 test ) and 11+ serial and with all the sanctions they cant even build more tanks, as they're dragging tanks out of museums at this point...
Ive seen the Mutant missile in action and it did a tight maybe 5 foot 360 out of the box....meaning as soon as it detached, it did a full 360 at a really fast-moving target, 4 times faster then anything on paper...
Russia’s gonna be able to build more serial production by 2030 so stop coping. The Americans on the other hand building that many ngad’s is debatable. Call me a bot idc.
Edit: I saw how many ngads were actually there so they can build that many.
@@agnesakioyamen2576is there actually a reason for this? Or are they going to dig up a gold mine under the Kremlin? Every new Russian weapon goes the way of the armata. Make 1, say you did it, parade it in circles
@@Evocati-Augustihow were you able to see MUTANT?
I'm from a USAF/DOD R&D family and served myself at the 106th Operations Group, was sent a video but it got taken down, I swear on my life I saw it in action. it was the same one that's in a video the USAF put out, black with a black smoke trail, and I've never seen a small missile head that was black or had black smoke, if I told you how I saw it you wouldn't believe me anyways lol czcams.com/users/shortsYI-Q7iXpGF0@@SHINR__
peregrine spelled out on screen is too long, perhaps shorten it with :p for p-grin. :)
Please add the AI wingman, they will not be NGAD but different. Looks a great video as always though CAP thank you!
Did your model factor in Thrust Vectoring in the NGAD's flight profile and why not? It is a claimed feature in the air forces requirements ......
It would have been cool if 1 of the ngad was a adfx 02 morgan and 1 was a cfa 44 nosferatu
Missing a few things on the PCA's specs here
SuperCap, what is the best way to contact you about possible future missions? And do you plan on doing another "Carrier Command" video, I really enjoy those as well as the Infantry fight videos you post!🎉❤😂
I hope ace combat 8 has gr themed concepts ;😜
Dude I literally just checked the channel 2 mins ago and nothing... Then boom
why do we sure sure m2 for radar cross-section, shouldnt we be moving mm2, cause the numbers are so small it is getting hard to tell the apart
lol yes fair point.
G'day Cap! and crew.....just saw an interesting picture on FB of a F22 Raptor with its internal bay setup with 12 small missiles!! They look similar in appearance to an ESSM....EDIT it might be an artists render or could be real shot....hard to tell
You could try NGAD vs the best of Europe.
There is always the British/Italian/Japanese Tempest program….
Someone send this video to PACAF.
Have you seen the specs for the proposed "MiG-41"? From what I've seen, if it gets built. It's supposed to be a reduced observability high supersonic interceptor. Think of a Foxhound with lower observability properties.
With the canards and a tailless design, I kind of wonder if the F/A-XX has some of the knowledge learned from the X-31, assuming they have some sort of thrust vectoring.
F/A-XX against the TU-22M3, TU-95s, and the Russian AWACS defending the Carrier Battle Group?
"but canards aren't stealthy" says every idiot that rags on the J20.
Mig 41 will be a drawing for a long time. Russia aircraft design is lagging decades behind US, and even in the best if times Russian aircraft were poor copies of the western ones (sometimes not of those that were chosen but if the competing prototype), with modifications due to lower manufacturing and design capabilities.
Now, Russia is much weaker than the USSR was or China is. So much is for show, lots of finding is stolen or spent inefficiently, bright people are leaving the country, and there is absolutely no way they can manage the sensor and networking tech, not to mention proper engines or stealth.
It's just another Potemkin village.
So no, at most you will see a few test aircraft in several years, without the claimed capabilities.
@BoraHorzaGobuchul I'm holding out as much hope for the MiG-41 as I am for the Su-75 "Checkmate"......not much!! 😄 Much like I think we (the US) will get a McNamara-ed version of the F/A-XX and NGAD.
You need to have your "beautiful humans" fly for the 4th-5th gen opponents to try to figure out how NGAD might be defeated. AI is obviously not up to the task.
On another note: when Peregrines are plunging down at 90 degrees from straight overhead, are they effectively "notched", leading to many of their misses? Is there any way to get them to come down at a very high angle but not perpendicular?
could be. this game is really stupid with notching, it’s so much more effective than it is in real life. there’s a reason pilots don’t actually do it irl outside of niche ass circumstances.
Try ASRAAMs against the NGADs maybe?
It would be interesting to see if F22’s or F35’s with Peregrines would do the same as the Ngad’s, my guess yes tbh.
I don’t know if it’s possible to do this in the game engine though 😅
Where's the drone swarm for the NGAD'S
what is a pagan airstrip? it pops up on the bottom bar whenever you stop viewing a particular aircraft
I’m these scenarios does US have enough people to fly these or is it all drones? Also if people are flying are they forced conscripts or volunteer.
id love to see some ngat asymetric pvp, so 5 people in 4.5th gen vs 1 in 6th etc
Do a battle based on the “update Putin gave” today about the new patrol with mig 31’s in the Black Sea
The fight is not just fair
Why do they always throw the AWACS in? It mitigates the differences in radar ability between the planes and it's not really realistic. Two fleets meeting in the middle of the ocean aren't going to have AWACS planes on hand.
It's just how we set the GR assets up, all designed to work with AWACS support. Just too much work to go back and redo it all now.
Wouldn't the russians be likely to have their 5th generation in front and use the 4th as missiles trucks guided in by the 5th generation planes. At least that's how the US plans to use them together.
Not that it would do them a lot of good, as the SU-57's RCS are far too big, therefore they would get shot down well before getting a radar lock, I would expect.
The russians might have that many SU-57's at that time, though I doubt it!
Probably the russians won't have that many MiG-31's when the NGAD arrives, at least not at the rate they crash their planes and also as they will be extremely old airframes by then, their high speed probably will be hard on their airframes anyway. They are not in production anymore so they won't get new.
Australian F35 and Ghostbat drone v Ngad please
Off topic question but was the SU-47 BERKUT ever modeled and used in DCS? Is that plane outdated now?
I've never seen it.
The berkut was a tech demonstrator and a copy of x-29. It's actually not Su-47 but S-47.
have Ngad v F35&F22s
OK
It would be interesting to see a war game on how current Middle East US/Israeli assets might perform in the event of hostilities with Iran and other ME aligned countries in an all out air battle.
Doing that at weekend.
That is going to be another turkey shoot
I’m not sure if this happens in this battle but awacs seem like an extreme weakness so why not keep a designated plane to protect it?Also how could a AWAC ever be attacked when the whole point of it is telling allies where the enemies are?
They already do that IRL. But dcs cant model dispersed awacs like they do IRL now. So its a weakness of the sim but not as big of one for reals
@joshuaanderson4090 thank you I think ive seen this asked before. They shouldn't be allowed to ever attack them in this game if we're all about realism. I don't care but it seems like someone always tries to attack it.
Could you do one on hezbullah air defense in urban environment vs jets and helicopters?
The way you have simulated NGAD is very impressive, are you limited to only 2 loyal wingmen or could you have 10 lessening the need for live pilots? Can or does AWACS control the Loyal Wingmen or just the pilots? Can NGAD be used in SEAD missions using MALD missiles and JDAMS? How would Iranians Land, Air & Sea Defenses match up with NGADS? Can NGADS be used to Plow the field for a Rapid Dragon assault?
I highly doubt NGAD would be at all useful in a ground attack role. Far too easy to lose them to MANPADs and it would cost the GDP of a small country if the US lost one.
@@hughmungus2760It absolutely can and realistically would. Judging by your comment it seems like you are one of those people, no offense, that still thinks ground attack is low altitude runs. Nowadays tip of the spear fighters like that will be employing stand-off munitions against air defenses or in the naval context ships.
The JSF is the primary tool for this, but there will be conflicts, like Taiwan, where some targets are just too far away for it to prosecute. That’s where the NGADs fit in.
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 ground attack requires long loiter times and heavy payload. Neither of which the NGAD is better at doing than say, a drone.
Standoff munitions are useful against strategic targets, but you're not going to be picking off dispersed tanks and machine gun nests cost effectively with them. For close air support you don't want to be sending $300millon air superiority fighters low and slow to get blasted by MANPADS.
As the Ukraine war is revealing, you can use standoff munitions till the cows come home but you're not going to be able to hold 1000kms of battlefront with the occasional JDAM strikes.
@@hughmungus2760 You seem to fundamentally misunderstand how stealth fighters are used. They are tip of the spear units in a near peer conflict intended to take out the really dangerous things, to put it simply. They operate as one part of an entire military apparatus, so yes of course you have other assets for picking off dispersed tanks and machine gun nests, as you mentioned. I don’t think I ever argued for a wholly NGAD Air Force.
And for what it’s worth, the NGAD is absolutely going to have a very good loiter time and payload. Just look at the size, range, and speed requirements publicly released and that fact becomes apparent fast.
I think it's max 3 wingmen is all game supports. Only pilots I'm pretty sure. It can be used for anything BUT currently only got around to making an a-A version working.
How can you simulate 6th gen aircraft when it hasn't even been concretely defined yet?
you should do a fight against humans
I don't have enough friends for a battle like this.
British 6th gen on the way?
Tempest, its a programme with Japan and Italy
britain should focus on there economy first 😂😂
28:52 or maybe you try to protect with just a few NGADS an airspace and you try to penetrate that with a B21 or alike
What about su75 checkmate
NGAD Fighters have Laser Cannons instead of rotary cannon.
Does anyone know what the R74 does better than the latest/greatest R73 variant? And how many G’s it pulls?
At least 50gs
I'm pretty sure R-74 is R-73 with smaller fins so it fits in the internal bay of Su-57. Like How AIM-120C was made to fit in Raptor.
Cap, how useful would ngad be against Chinese or Russian fleet?
Using fictional aircraft is kinda pointless. Might as well use a VF-1 Valkyrie while you're at it
NGAD seal clubbing
Masters nd slaves wasn't a good description but I got point
you gave Russia more su-57s than they actually own... lol
They might have 18 by 2030
whatever happened to Violet?
Day 3 of asking for Carrier Strike Group vs ICBM
Why? Icbm's cannot be targeted at a moving Target, especially not a ship at Sea. The only possibility is you happened to guess the right area.
And again what would be the purpose, they would be shot down. Just like the hypersonics or shot down
ICBM can not target CSG. That's why Russia/China developed YJ-21/KH-47 to act as a semi-ballistic missile for CSGs.
@@grimreapers ah ok gotcha. Thanks for the reply. Love your channel!!!
Sixth not Sickth
Any fixes for the new stupid Beta Build from ED? I rage quit, uninstalled it and went back to the regular build. Hopefully it isn't fucked.
Def be interesting to see if Russians have the Sukhoi SU-74 Checkmate by 2030 too… is it planned in DCS?
No idea.
@@grimreapers just to correct myself, SU-75 not 74 of course… must admit I never envy u having to come up with various scenarios everyday but u do a gr8 job!… personally, I’d love to see an Arclight raid on the Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol., but I can’t think of a feasible scenario in which B52’s could ever get anywhere near, unless hold air superiority
It would be fun to see but practically pointless as it is obvious that they are not going to be able to field it, even if they actually manage to produce a few test airframes
I'm saying this with no bias, honestly. I've been plenty biased against Russia in past comments, but here, it's just the realistic situation reported.
Checkmate debuted as a 100% scale model, but it was literally a shell, perhaps made out of fiberglass, in an effort to show they were near production.
Since then, there has been little interest in the export market, and without exports supporting the development of the jet, Russia can't afford to build it. This has dried up even further, as they soured their export relationship with India, China is now making its own designs, North Korea is too poor, Iran is too poor, and all NATO-friendly countries are purchasing the superior F-35.
That was even before the war with Ukraine, so now Russian air development specifically is hugely delayed and I wonder how many years it will take for a legitimate next-generation model to actually be manufactured in numbers, and then they have to hope it's also competitive against both the Chinese and US models which don't have these same funding and production issues. RU is essentially as much as a full decade behind their near-peer enemy air forces with no sign they will be able to catch up.
Perhaps if they stop wasting so much resources in the war and leave the war to have sanctions removed, they will be able to make progress.
Until then, Russia is extremely weakened and NATO forces from EU countries alone can easily contain RU forces without the assistance of the US. This allows the US to focus on the Pacific and China with their allies in that region to defend against any Chinese aggression.
6th gen vs 5th gen and 4th gen fighters . Hilarious. The us wouldn't waste 6th gen fighters on a bunch of sukoihs. They would just send the raptors .
No Russian Firefox fighter jet.
The trouble is that there's no conceivable scenario where the Russians would be operating outside of their full IADS umbrella.
The scenario would have to be NGADs flying into Russian territory to try to do something important.
By the 2030's Russian IADS will include S-500 plus integrated and linked RADAR, LIDAR and IRST from every platform in the sky plus more sites on the ground.
Far too complicated for 2023 DCS. In real life, however, it would be a problem in the 2030's.
supposedly the NGAD has all aspect stealth. But- then again quantum radar is theoretically possible and chinese scientists have demonstrated that it works in laboratory tests.
Agree and I DID think of that but with the NGAD set to this RCS, no SAMS will engage it at any range, so they will be useless. It's a current shortcoming with game, I can't find a way around it.
Russian air defense is good against gen4 - when it works...
@@grimreapers Maybe a slightly less RCS stealth for the NGAD as a proxy for possible detectability from some combination of 2030's advanced and data linked Radar, Lidar, and IRST Question Mark❓
That's not unreasonable IMO because any Navy plane has to have robust enough hardware to withstand launches and landings on carriers.
Regardless, it still has to obey the laws of physics. At 40,000 feet, it's going to be hotter than something. IRST is not good at range. However, two data linked IRSTs would be better. 30 different linked aerial and ground-based IRSTs could get an active missile close enough to cause real problems.
And, we are also just at the beginning of figuring out everything that LIDAR can do.
Also...drones. EVERYONE is working on high-altitude platform station (AKA high-altitude pseudo-sattelite or HAPS) projects that can just loiter over high-value areas for weeks or months looking for flying objects in places that are undesirable.
Thus, it's just not reasonable to assume that the Navy NGAD would win against Russia (or China) due to stealth and better missiles alone. It's going to be seen and shot at by something at some point.
In a 2030's AI and data-linked battlefield involving Russia or China, stealth just buys you a little extra time to try to do pull off that big important singular something mission. Tactics and planning will still be key. Stealth is just a tool.