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Who created Porygon? And who created Porygon2? Those are easy answers, but things start to get dubious... who created the Dubious Disc? Who created Porygon-Z? Was it Team Galactic? Team Rocket? Both?
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Chapters:
00:00 Gen 4 Remakes!
00:39 Anker Soundcore Life Q35 Promo
02:04 The Porygon Line Explained
04:52 Did Team Galactic Create Porygon-Z?
07:54 Who Created Porygon? Silph Co.
09:02 Team Rocket Scientist Ross!
10:46 What is the Dubious Disc?
12:10 Who Created Porygon-Z?
14:25 Porygon-Z's Ģ̸̡̝̘̦̲̗͕̙͔̖͚̥̪̝̰͇̠̻͈̫͇̩̬̪̦͍͉̲̟͓͊͐͐ͅĺ̷͇͔̲̣͋̏̂̑̈̈̇̚͝i̵̡̝̠̮̼̜̭̣̯͍̞̥͉͕͈̦̝͋̆̽́̾̇̑͋̍̃̏̊̀̿̑̾̅͌̀̑͆̈́̐̐̍̉̈́̅͗͑̐̕͘̚͝͠͝t̷̡̡̻̥̹̘̹̼͔̭̲̪͇͕̞͚̫͓̖̹̩̲̋͗̒̀͑ͅc̵̢̥̼͎̹̱͓̺̠͚̰̰̟͓͓̭̤̎̊͊͐̔̽̂̎̀͗̓̏̄̀̍͗̏̏͆̑̀̚͘̕͜͠͠͝͝h̸̨̢̧̭̯̦̦͕͉̱̼̥̰̱͓̦͚̙̼͓͉̟͔͓̤̪̭̠͔͈͍̘͇̜̯͉̟̓̉̀͛͛̿̍̏̈̅̀̉̀̌͆̐́̑̊̉̑̕͘̚̚͜͝y̶̢̨̲̺͓͓͂̄̓͗́̃͑͂͗̋̔͂̍͑̚̕̕͝͠ ̵̨̢̡̡̛͍̭̦̥̣͔̩̤̦̠̝̊͌̓̓̌͋͌̽̇̃̀́͗͌͗̐̓̋̍̋̒́͑̅͛͘͘̚̕̚͜͝͠B̸̨̛̛͍̻̦̱͆̆̈́̄̾̓̓̂̈́͊̇̄͑̍̐͝e̷̛̘̬̎͑̌̏̍̓̽̎̐́̓̀̉̍̈́̊̄́̈́́͛̆̽͛̌̐̚͝͠ḩ̷̡̡̡̡̨̭̻͓͕̱̪̥̭͈̼̜̼̩͕̼̯̝̥͔̞̦͎̳͙̄̓͛͐̊̒́̽͑͑́̀͊̇́̔͋̉͜͝͝a̶̡̢̛̳͉̬͕̳͙̭̫̲̥͕͈̺̬̤͈͙̖̩̞̖̗͚̬̙̻̮͖͛͛̔͊͒̈́͗̕̚͜͜v̸̨̨͈͇͇̯̯̜͖͓̻̗͎̰̣͈̲̣͓̱͈̤̲̎̍͐̈́̓̊̊̀̒͑̓̍̇̂̓̂̊̂̀̔̃̆̀͒̔̈́͐̕̚͜͠͝ͅį̶̭̺̦̖̣̺̳̼̣̙̼̹̦̩͔̞̤̭̠͇̲̗͎̪̫̙͎͇̠͕̖́͗̒̿͋̽̽̓̊͜͠ŏ̸̦̭̝͙͓̰͎̪̟͈̥͈̺̠̙̘̲̰̙̐͐̈́̏̋̌̑͋̄̒̈̀̑̑̚̕͠r̵͇̰̔̎̑̌̃́̑̀̉̀͘̕̕͝͝ͅ
Gnoggin, hosted by its creator Lockstin, is a show delving into the mysteries of Pokemon! (and other games sometimes too). Explaining everything there is to explain! Why is each Pokemon given the type it has? What are their origins? What is the lore of the Pokemon world and the design inspirations? And what does it all have to do with alchemy? Let's Go find out!
Scientists in Kanto really created life out of computer code and were disappointed that it couldnt go to space.
Deoxys wants to have a word with you.
@@lks19 Deoxy is already an alien from outer space
yeah I know. I was just joking about a theory I saw about the fact Porygon 2 once went into space and it deformed into Deoxys lol
@@lks19 hmmm
Literaly when someone gets disapointed for creating life instead of "Lets find some rocks" they must be many advanced
Porygon: A revolutionary piece of sentient coding
Porygon 2: C U R V E S
NO! NO! NO! Many people say I am sick in the head. NOOOO!!!! I don't believe them. But there are so many people commenting this stuff on my videos, that I have 1% doubt. So I have to ask you right now: Do you think I am sick in the head? Thanks for helping, my dear met
What a wild reply that channels crazy
@@AxxLAfriku bruh we’re talking about porygon
when the polygon is *_C U R V E_*
@@AxxLAfriku stop
I honestly think lockstin has thought about this more than the pokemon company
there are some theories that must make them be like "see this? this is genius! note that down!" and few games later BOOM
Well the game straight up tells you who created it's last evolution. You find the device to evolve it when going to that evil tesla HQ. And the world jump stuff remember that evil elon musk wanted to jump worlds to find his perfect world
He certainly thought about Porygon-Z more than OLM did.
@@themachoechidnaugandarandy7583 1, *its, and 2, was this an attempt at a joke?
@@gregorymirabella1423easy there mein fuhrer.
It was a missed opportunity by Gamefreak to give Porygon-Z a Z-move
^^^
Lmao, yeah.
They probably didn't because I don't even think the Porygon line was in Alola, but also because it would've been annoying to have to evolve Porygon→Porygon2→Porygon-Z both needing to be traded with specific items.
It just would be too convoluted for a Pokémon that they weren't putting a spotlight on like new Alola Pokémon or mascots.
Alolan Porygon, made from materials gathered on the beach. That would’ve been cool
I would've loved the move name to be like "Dubious Distortion"
Z-Conversion kinda did this, definitely made the mon very cool that gen
In Pokémon Platinum in Veilstone city there is a man with a Porygon who says he found it near Team Galactic Headquarters and took it in and gives it to you. I think the dubious disc was created by Team Galactic probably with the help of that Scientist to creat Porygon-Z in order to access Dialga and Palkias dimensions
I agree with this. I don't think he was created to save Cyrus, I think Cyrus instituted the creation of Porygon Z to chase the legendaries, and the Porygon they had was stolen.
Even truer due to the fact taht well. You can get a Porygon Z BEFORE the end of the Team Galactic's arc in Platinum. So the timeline doesn't check, really.
What about Porygon and Porygon2 in the Kanto and Johto regions tho? Not defying your theory, but just asking that if you have an explanation for this.
Well Porygon and Porygon 2 just like he said in the video were designed to go into space and explore it but they didn’t meet the standards for it so when Team Galactic got their hands on it and Porygons research they thought they could create a new version which could go into different dimensions but they failed as well.
@@jasonmarholz2427 mmm right
Someone on Reddit suggested it was made by Aether Foundation, considering the Polygon line _has_ signature moves about changing types, Gladion randomly has one, and dimensions is *also* Aether's specialty.
You mean Porygon line, or Silvally line?
@@unitds27-delta the Porygon line.
@@unitds27-delta Tri Attack
The Dubious Disc is just Cyrus's hard drive of naughty "homework". No wonder PoryZ freaks out when it has to use it...
If I were to guess what Cyrus's fetish is I'd say It would be Mind Break, considering him wanting to remove emotions and all~
@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions excellent theory!
@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions oh lord
@@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions does that mean team flares is "Hole creation BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY"
@@volcanhacks If I were to be a bit serious about it...
I'd say Lysander would probably be into some wholesome vanilla considering his end goal is eternal beauty~
The rest of Team Flare on the other hand? Probably selfsest or at the very least filthy rich buff men/thicc women because their ego is bigger then every other evil teams combined~
Giratina: THE ETERNAL DRAGON
Meanwhile Rayquaza just sitting off on the side giving Giratina an angry glare.
we all know Rayquaza is the og dragon type legendary Pokémon lol
@@lks19 technically latias is the og legendary dragon type
(screams in Primal Arceus from Pokémon Insurgence)
The person who created porygon z: what if, hear me, put porygon in the shape of a z
*laughs* so az not only did the ultimate weapon but a modern pokemon's third evo? Is that what you're saying?
@@kevinmooney9361 no, why the hell would they be saying that it makes no sense
@@kevinmooney9361 The letter Z. Not Az.
My Gyarados destroyed you and the rest of Steven's team
@@kevinmooney9361 lmao yea
"The recently revealed Pokemon Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl"
You can tell when this was made
but BD and SP are in a far past
Well, 2 months ago is pretty recent.
Sometime in the past 2 months?
2 months isn't too long ago
@@arthurpc7492 that’s Legends: Arceus, BD and SP are the remakes
They gotta bring Porygon back into the anime at some point, cause Goh wants to catch every Pokémon
@my spirit digimon is rareraremon still, they gotta bring Porygon back at SOME point
Off screen capture
@my spirit digimon is rareraremon the pokemon company have hinted that all three will be in the anime at some point (don't remember where I heard this)
@my spirit digimon is rareraremon and hence they introduced Mimikyu. That badass ghost fairy Pokémon that hates Pikachu.
@my spirit digimon is rareraremon While I don't disagree, this is pretty off topic man.
You can find the Dubious Disc in the Galactic Veilstone Hideout *before* Cyrus leaves for the distortion world, so it was not created to rescue him.
I'm definitely on board with the theory it was created to go after Dialga and Palkia in their home dimensions. They only went after the Lake Guardians to assemble the Red Chain after ruling their Porygon-Z project a failure.
Exactly, I'm more inclined to believe that it was created by the aether paradise to study ultraspace (like its pokedex entry suggested) and then its source code leaked than the saving cyrus thing
@@mds_516 I agree, their security can't be too tight if project files of Type: Null were leaked and _Faba leaves his computer logged in._
Speaking of Porygon
When is Lockstin gonna explain that weird form he keeps teasing in his Kaskade videos?
Hope it's the next video
Yeah me tooo
The giant enemy thunder bird!
for some reason I didn't realize Porygon was a duck until recently
Don't worry, me neither.
I thought it was a joke that it was a duck
wait Porygon's a duck?
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
so is Cresselia, what's your point? (even though it more looks like a Piñata to me)
OK! I have thoughts!
ok
* insert Saitama "Ok" here *
Yay! Response video!
But also aren't gen 2 plot and gen 4 plot supposed to be happening near simultaneously? (Multiple dimensions and timelines blah blah. That feels like a cop out answer.)
oh no not another copy theory on your channel as i subscribe both!
Lol
This theory falls apart when you realise you can obtain Porygon Z before going to the distortion world, and so it was created BEFORE Cyrus was trapped there. Everything else is pretty solid, it just means that the Dubious Disc wasn't created to save Cyrus, but for another reason entirely before Team Galactic started their plans.
Maybe they weren’t sure if their perfect world would be easy to traverse at first so that’s why they needed it
another issue is that, if this was the case, the Dubious Disc must have either been INCREDIBLY rushed
or had been in developement before Ross joined Team Galactic (if he did at all, for all we know Team Galactic could have worked on a Dubious Disc without the involvement of a former SilphCo employe, which just makes it all the more dubious)
as the Johto Games and Sinnoh games take place at the same time (see the Red Gyarados being mentioned on tv in gen4)
obviously its hard to say how long it took for the events in either game to play out, but it still seems like the timeframe is incredibly narrow for this to take place
So in my opinion Ross, while being a nice connecting piece, creates more issues for the theory's timeframe than he helps to explain things.
@@arminreindl7742 Team Galactic could've hacked into Silph Co.
The sense behind outfitting a Pokemon to be designed for exploration of alien worlds is still sound, though. It could be that they tried to design Porygon Z to do what Porygon 2 had originally been intended to do, but without a team of programmers to check and improve the code (given that Team Galactic was a criminal organization and probably couldn't spare the resources to recruit more,) the Dubious Disc ended up with unstable code that simply couldn't be fixed quickly enough for Cyrus and his plans.
Maybe porygon Z was a back up plan in case they could get the lake trio they used porygon and upgraded it for dimensions travel as the two legendary Pokémon live in “Alien worlds”. However due to little information on how the worlds work they tried to make it be able to adapt to many environments. However that overloaded the data and made porygon Z glitch out. Due to it having to much stuff and not enough space. Also porygon Z can have the ability: (Adaptability) which I think helps my theory.
When the Disc is Dubious 😳
Haha amogus suss haha funny
lol
AMOGUS
dubious
porygon more like impostor-ygon
Porygon-Z implies the existence of Porygon-A through Porygon-Y.
_Thanks for coming to my TED Talk_
Out.
Porymon the series XY and Z, introducing mega buged evolutions
Or maybe they started from the Z to the A, so it would be the fist of the alphabet?
I want porygons a-y
Does that make the original Porygon Porygon1? Or Porygon0? Are there other numbers?
I smell a Missingno video in the future!
Also, do you think you can do a video on what real-life locations the spin-off regions are based off of?
Yes please.
Thx for making this video because Porygon-Z is my all time favourite Pokémon (in my opinion it's so cool and i like it's design).
Odd and cool choice, I like you
Well no wonder from your pfp...same dude! Always admiring hyper beam animation and porygon-Z is the best user of it
You don't have to say "in my opinion" Hun. That should be implied. If people can't see that then they have issues.
@@korimcentire2281 thx
5:32 "Never seen or heard from again"
Until he showed up alongside Palkia in Masters anyway.
The Cyrus from Masters specifically doesn’t know what the Distortion World is.
@@Zenithal1843 That's my point. It's the same version of him that vanished in Diamond and Pearl versions as opposed to the version from Platinum who was willfully stuck in the distortion world.
We stan Lockstin's Health Tips.
I’m of the belief that Porygon Z and the dubious disc were actually made by the AETHER FOUNDATION in a time before they pursued Type: Null research.
In the Alola games, all Porygon-related items and even Porygon itself are obtained from Aether-related people. Gladion uses a Porygon Z. It’s purpose to explore alien dimensions fits the MO of the Aether Foundation and the pursuit of Ultra Beasts. And like Type: Null, it possesses type changing abilities to adapt to foreign environments (thru the Conversion moves).
My belief, is that the Aether Foundation developed the Dubious Disc after seeing Porygon’s potential under Silph Co. They hoped to upgrade it to be fit to send through Ultra Wormholes. But after their own patch was deemed too buggy, they distanced themselves from the research. But the Dubious Disc still leaked before the events of DPPt, falling into the hands of Team Galactic, who have an interested in space and time in general.
That's a very solid belief and I'll incorporate it into my head canon.
4:45 The first mention of Alternate Dimensions comes when cyrus is summoning Dialga/Palkia. He says he summons them from another plane.
In a realistic setting, it would be shocking there aren't more Porygon evolutions, given its code-based nature.
The modding community would have a field day with it, and I bet Porygon qT and Porygon uwu would have been made within a week of each other
Porygon-Z is my favorite all time Pokémon, I was so happy to see this video!! 😭
Same!!
Pory fans unite!
....on GitHub. Human contact is scary.
Same!
Pokémon means Pocket Monster
Porygon is made entirely of data
Porygon is, by definition, a Digimon
Pokémon x Digimon crossover confirmed
But yet can be stored in a techno apricorn...
If you think about it all pokemon can be converted into data and be stored in computers, meaning they're all Digimon
@@ale-xsantos1078 By that logic humans are also Digimon, since humans can be converted into the digital world as well.....
Doesnt humans lack the "mon" part tho?
I mean in the pokemon world sure you could argue that the humans there are pokemon too, but I dont think that applies to the humans from the digi world tho(or from our world for that matter)
Porygon is an Appmon.
Digimon come from another dimension, like Ultra Beasts.
Appmon come from the human dimension, like Pokémon.
Weirdly Appmon are like a month older than Ultra Beasts; these two franchises are goddamn quantum entangled.
Did you know Tamagotchi, which Digimon was an offshoot off, released a month after Pokémon? - It was only after Pokémon started adding V-Pet elements in Yellow that Digimon went multimedia, and it is known from interviews Nintendo felt threatened by V-Pets in those days.
Bandai Namco are the owners of Digimon, and if you know the lore of both Pokémon and Digimon, their lastest game Pokémon Snap might just get you thinking about the Royal Knights.
Lockstin : Here I am!
Editor : *rock you like a hurricane*
I noticed that too
I always thought the Dubious Disk was kinda a product of Team Galactic trying to reverse engineer the Upgrade and then implement it to make Porygon2 into a form that would aid their own needs. I personally wish Porygon2 got branching evolution from Silph Co. that was its intended evolution into a Porygon3 and it could finally achieve its main purpose!
Also, has anyone ever really considered that the Dubious Disk literally turns Porygon2's head upside down? Like that spike on Porygon-Z's head is its neck from Porygon2... No wonder it acts weird! If that happened to me I'd be acting strange, too! Because I'd be dead...
I always thought Porygon was a metaphor for video games. Starting off with low poly (Like early gen consoles) then getting nicer, smoother models and eventually gets to the point where games are just very buggy. But that was just my approach. I liked yours a lot better. XD
Porygon-Z is one of my favorite Pokemon! Thanks for giving it the love it deserves, Lockstin!
Cool theory that I haven't heard before! The only thing I think is a bit off is that the dubious disc is in diamond and pearl without cyrus in the distortion world. So I think it's possible that Cyrus commissioned it for research maybe even as far back as HG/SS if you want to explain why the dubious disc is in johto
Donkey in the Distortion World: "Shrek, I'm Looking Up!"
One problem with the theory, you can get the dubious disc before Cyrus ever disappears. A simple retcon could be that team Galactic hired Ross to make Porygon-Z so it could explore the Distortion world. When he failed, they got rid of him which would explain why he doesn’t show up in dppt. He probably went back to Johto or something. My guess is that Charon created it to explore the distortion world. Although he’s a genius, he doesn’t have access to any of the resources at silph co so he messed up the code. It would also explain why Team Galactic is in possession of the Up-Grade because he probably studied it in order to figure out how to reverse engineer the code. Makes sense to me.
6:50 Bob from SMG4 what are you doing here?
Laugh track plays
I want to know too.
What if Porygon-Z actually discovered alternate dimensions, and so accidentally went back to before Cyrus disappeared, even though, according to your theory, Team Galactic made it afterwards, while also maybe bringing a dubious disc with it, then other scientists making more.
11:13 The localizers who went with describing the object instead of what's on it: yes
Pokémon Company: Announces Gen 4 remakes
Lockstin: *I can milk you*
With enough prolactin you can milk anyone
This is a very interesting theory. I really like it! My only idea of a possible hole is that in Pokémon Generations, Cyrus is able to call Team Galactic to tell them that he's fine, but to not come looking for him. I know this might not be canon, but it does prove that Cyrus is able to contact Team Galactic and tell them that he's fine, so they wouldn't need to create Porygon Z.
Sorry, my bad! I clicked on a free give away link while working on Porygon-3
first, he discusses orbeetle, then melmetal, and how porygon Z! my 3 favorite pokemon
You forget Pokémon Generations...
Cyrus specifically tells Saturn: “Don’t look for me”
He doesn’t want to be found.
That's Pokémon Generations only. Not only does Cynthia not go into the Distortion World, but neither Diamond or Platinum are there.
But in the game universe doesf Team Galsctic *know* that?
that doesn’t mean saturn told the grunts/scientists
The animes and its movies cannot be trusted. Generations could have made an assumption after the fact. The animes pull too manu weird stunts to be an accurate representation of the games' intent
@@tacostastegood3720 more accurately generations is it's own continuity entirely, though heavily inspired by the games
I'm willing to admit I may have over thought this, but hear me out:
Lockstin mentions that fixing Porygon's flight should have been a primary concern for the developers of the pokemon, but instead, they focused on making round. My argument is that making the pokemon round WAS their attempt, at least the most visible and obvious aspect thereof, at making the pokemon fly better.
Firstly, we must consider how flight would be achieved. In the atmosphere, this is generally achieved (at least in planes) by forcing air around a wing to create lift. For this to happen, the air mist be traveling faster on the top side of the wing, so as to create a vacuum of air to generate the lift.
Planes accomplish that by having a wing that while relatively flat on the bottom, have a larger and curved surface on top. This means the air travelling over the top of the wing has a longer distance to travel, and must therefore go faster in order to meet the air travelling across the wing's bottom (if the air didn't meet together, it would create a vacuum of air behind the wing, pulling the air over the top faster, that's how this works).
Thinking about a plane's wing's shape, it is easier to see why they chose the design for porygon they did. In order to force the air over Porygon's body, however, the pokemon would have to be in motion. From here, the general shape of the pokemon seems to lend itself to being thrust forward from behind by some invisible energy. That makes sense, as it forgot the need for wings in the sense the birds use them, which wouldn't work in the vacuum of space, anyways. Opting to propel the pokemon through space using thrust created via Newton's third law in space, while generating lift in Earth's atmosphere using Bernoulli's principle. This Pokemon's design is low-key genius.
Porygon was created initially in an environment where a high poly count wouldn't be possible, giving it the crude appearance it has. By smoothing the edges, though, drag is reduced. Rounder and sharper objects tend to behave more aerodynamically than do flat, angular surfaces. This means that Porygon2 would fly better, and it may even execute better flight control, too. This argument would be further strengthened if Porygon2 has a higher speed stat, which I'll check after I write this.
I've always loved porygon, but this really makes me appreciate the design and thought that went into this. Even if by coincidence, the end product is beautiful!
EDIT: Porygon2's speed is 60, while Porygon's is 40.
10:32
This adds a new meaning to "Team Rocket, blasting off again!"
Haven't finished yet, but he's gonna mention that the Dubious DIsc was found in the Galactic HQ building in Platinum, right?
Hey Locks, do you plan on making shinies for your Lokemon? Even if it’s just the starters, that would really cool.
6:47 I like how bob from smg4 randomly appears in the corner just to say "Cyrus" and then dips
How can someone sound so sane but also talk like a crazy scientist
Being lockstin
Commander Cyrus is like... in his mid 20's. Talk about ambition 👀
He comes up with ideas and theories that the Pokémon company didn’t even think about
I think that it's more likely that Cyrus had them make the Dubious disk so he himself could get to the distortion world, since you find the disc before Cyrus is left there. I do love how a single random npc character has been given so much more backstory though, and it's head canon for me now!
Man the porygon family was in my top 5 favorite pokemon for the longest time as a kid (like gen 1-4 honestly)... Such a cool video and weirdly nostalgic... Now I wanna use one in a playthrough
I'm not used to theory videos on other channels and paniced a little when you didnt end it of with "and that's just a theory, a game theory. Thanks for watching". Lol
lol
My personally theory is that Giratina ate Cyrus, or at least threw him into the endless void of the Distortion Realm
I love this episode and it really tied up a mystery well. It’d be even better if 1. Everyone acted like it’s a new Pokémon(having it in your party) and 2. You could find the Doubious disc in Team Galactic’s base AFTER Cyrus is sucked into the distortion world
Oh man I MISSED theories like these! I never even thought of these plot links! Love it!!
"💻🐦", I see what you did Lockstin.
“One day you will wake up in a world created by me”
Does that mean.. legends arceus?
Nah, that’s in the past.
Unless...?
it's in the past but it *could* be an alternate timeline that cyrus created or smth, so maybe :0
I mean the Mega Timeline and the Original Timeline are seperate
I love how the last part, about Porygon-Z had something that look like Missing No.
Thank you so much for making this video about my favourite Pokémon! Didn't know I needed this, but I did. Looking forward to the possible 'part 2' about him!
Can’t you make an video on how some Pokémon act just like their Pokédex entrees says?
Like in the beginning of the game we see a Dodrio with two of its head sleeping while the third keeps watch.
There’s a part where a Zangoose fights a Seviper.
Or where we see 3 Mareanies chase a Corsula.
Why would he make a video on that?
@@asherdevin Because of pokemon snap
@@frozezone2947 I wasn't aware we needed a video on a fish swimming or a bird flying. In fact, wouldn't the video suggested just be playing a pokemon game?
Team Galactic being the ones who made Porygon-Z to try to rescue Cyrus sorta makes sense since it's a post-game only pokémon in the original Diamond and Pearl. So obviously the player wouldn't be able to get it before the climax of the game.
That was something I wish Lockstin had explained. In the games, when is the earliest you can access Porygon-Z/when do NPC trainers have it. If you can sight it before Cyrus' defeat, things kind of fall apart. And I think team Galactic would have a reason to try to create it even in Diamond or Pearl, meaning Porygon-Z doesn't have to be a version exclusive for the theory to work either. It's just the motivation is the most solid in Platinum
@@AbsolXGuardian Victory Road & the Survival Area. Each has a person with a Porygon-Z.
@@eldonm2770 Well if we say that the dubious disk was leaked, then the timeline still works.
@@AbsolXGuardian wait when can you first access the survival area?
@@eldonm2770 I think it's battle frontier related
7:25 It's funny because in Digimon Adventure the chosen kids were all but literally stuck inside an Escher staircase and the inside of the Millennium Puzzle is _also_ an Escher staircase.
There's also the Maze Card from _Cardcaptor Sakura_ and a certain scene from _Labyrinth._ The Escher work you refer to is called _Relativity._
@@JamesDavy2009 Escher staircases are kind of their own thing transcendent of his Relativity you know. In fact it's not even a concept wholly original to Relativity as he based it and other works like Ascending and Descending, House of Stairs and to a lesser extent, Belvedere and Waterfall on the Penrose stairs. He just happened to popularize the concept and Relativity just happened to be the most popular of his works based on Penrose stairs, transforming Prenose stairs in to the cultural meme of Escher stairs.
The unknown producer is Todd Howard.
>Made in a rush.
>Raised the stakes too high.
>Bugs.
>A.I. has weird behavior.
I feel like I'm the only person that has ever said porygon-z is my favorite pokemon and I don't regret a single thing
I see I’m not alone
I'd say it's one of my favorites in Sinnoh. But it's also one of my favorite shiny pokemon ever
Cool
I love porygon it hink people don't hink about it because it's a trade Evo and it's from a pretty forgettable pokemon
SAME
Haha, Love the Team Four Star reference 😂❤️
I wonder if Rotom might have anything to do with it. Maybe the dubious disc is an upgrade that rotom messed with, as it is a piece of technology, and when it got applied to porygon 2 it was all glitched. An un-rotomized dubious disc might give us a perfect Porygon.
Slight issue here: You find the Disc _before_ Cyrus gets smacked by Giratina. But this is a simple fix. Porygon-Z may have been designed as part of a rescue contingency, one Cyrus didn't give enough time for proper development.
I was really hoping to see someone else mention when you get the dubious disk, and the contingency plan thing is a nice idea, but I don't think they expected Giratina to show up at all. The plan was 1. Catch the lake guardians 2. Make the red chain 3. Use them to control Dialga and Palkia 4. Remake the world in his image. Giratina showed up right the heck outta nowhere, surprising everyone (since the only real buildup to it was the title screen), so I doubt they had a plan to deal with it if they appeared.
@@genuinegenie7078 Fair point. Consider this alternative:
"The multiverse is vast, nigh-infinite. This modified Porygon will find a world without spirit. A logical paradise that must exist by mathematical necessity."
"Uh, sorry, Commander. It mostly just twitches and fires Zap Cannons at anyone who says the word 'semicolon'."
"ZEEEE!"
"See what I mean?"
"Hmphh. Fine. I'll do it myself."
@@FanOfMostEverything Oooh, I like the idea that Cyrus explored his options before going the destroy reality route.
I'm a simple woman, I see my favourite villain and one of my favourite Pokémon, I click.
Porygon Z is the Favorite of my friend.
Thus my I see I click.
Anything gen 4 related probably gets a click from me.
Villain being cyrus?
Cause I'm on the same boat, give the man his well deserved break if he's already having a mid-life crisis in his 20s
Porygon-Z was made to make Hyper Beam viable (with Adaptability).
Hyper Beam being Ultralaser in French. Like Ultra Space!
Coincidence?
I mean, yeah, probably, but still...
The only 3-stage evolution family where all members can learn hyper-beam (at level 1 even)
@@dallinmoody1297 Well, Hyper Beam was reserved for final evolutions or Pokémon who couldn't evolve at the time. Porygon was in the latter category.
@@JamesDavy2009 i'm aware
Also the porygon line is the only pokemon that can evolve twice without a level up trigger
14:24 You seriously don't realise? HE IS HAVING AN EPILEPTIC SEISURE!
Brilliant! Suddenly the strange golden eye that Porygon-Z gets makes a bit more sense; it is meant to be reminiscent of Team Galactic's symbol!
To be fair, making a Pokemon like that would have been hard enough without magic. So Porygon2 failing it's intended purpose makes sense.
And maybe PorygonZ is just glitchy because they tried something huge but it didn't work out as well as they'd like...
I would kind of like to see a uncorrupted porygon evolution.
I’ve seen some fanart that are pretty neat.
🎩
🐍 no step on snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
Well, with regional variants being a thing we might see a future variant of Porygon achieve evolution into Porygon3 through the Up-Grade item. There's some food for thought for all of you fan game designers out there.
I am still of the belief that giratina was never "banished" to the distortion world... but stationed... its actions during platinum are very deliberate, dragging cyrus into the distortion world right at the brink of his success... thus saving the world in its own way... its dex entry also says that it can see into the normal world through mirrors which is almost like a security guard watching security cam footage, and, although it probably could have easily killed you, it takes a more neutral stance towards you until you approach it (if i recall correctly, it might actually attack you) essentially only battling you when you threaten it... being frank... it can (and does) free itself from the distortion world as well... it recieves no outside help to physically drag cyrus into the distortion world itself, not to mention that you encounter giratina in the normal world in pokemon diamond and pearl... perhaps looking for the escaped cyrus to bring him to a place where he cant hurt anyone anymore
6:48 Ok I didn't expect a reference towards SMG4 in this video, glad to see that Gnoggin and/or the editor are a fan
Oh!
Edit and Note: Porygon Z is my favorite Pokémon and it may get a mega evolution which I am excited about, I also have a Porygon 2 plushie like you!
I dont think it’s getting a mega.... and its my favourite too
@@robbieclayton4672 Good to hear.
It might get a regional variant in the future that will evolve into Porygon3. We've seen alternate evolutions from regional variants several times in this generation.
@@JamesDavy2009 Also, there’s a slight possibility of a mega for all legends from Sinnoh, Arceus could get one but needs all 3 space makers with mega stones to get.
Porygon should be talk about more he's pretty much a mystery.
Video idea: How did Mohn(lusamine's husband) managed to escape from ultra wormhole and reach that island? Why cosmog was with him? Wasn't it supposed to be under the care of solgaleo and lunala? In anime, what the heck happened to him? Are they going to rescue him in Pokemon journeys? If so, why didn't they tried in sun and moon itself?
For the anime, its very possible they will find him.
The hints come from crown tundra’s max lair lore. The max lair was infected with ultra wormhole energy which is why it’s pulling pokemon from different dimensions.
The explanation to this was from the broken description of adventure 4 of crown tundra, where it mentions professor mohn. And the scientists stationed there are from burnet’s dimensional research lab.
In the anime, the train the aether fam are currently taking shows a snowy landscape, presumably following magearna to galar’s crown tundra.
I think the theory is pretty solid, but since you can get the Dubious Disk before the post-game, I would say that Porygon-Z was created by Cyrus to either explore the Distortion World or to access the timespace where Dialga and Palkia live
0:12
Ah, I see what you did there
Lockstin: Asking himself if he's dumb
Me: "Funny words Magic-Man"
Porygon was also available from the team rocket run game corner. What’s a better prize than a Pokémon you can make copies of?
They also took over silph co. I could see the Pokémon and the discs being on the black market. Missed chance for more villains to have the line.
12:32 - I really like the way he rubs the Porygon2. Very satisfying.
Lockstin: "am I dumb?"
Me, who's gotten several IQs worth of gains in smarts thanks to his videos and entertaining way of presenting information: HOW dare you! You don't get to put yourself down good sir! You are a smart cookie!
Wow, is it late for me. I’ll have to come back tomorrow to watch this, unfortunately. See you then!
Edit: I watched it. Great video as always!
Pokémon Masters And Ultra Sun and Moon.
You forgot those.
And that none of the Porygon line has the speed stat or powers to reach escape velocity.
6:48 Lol I like how Bob popped up when you used that text to speech
I'm a simple man
I see porygon, I click
#Porygang
me to
#Porygang... I WANT IN
You'd assume the people who created Porygon and Porygon 2 would've made Porygon Z.
since the Lake of Rage broadcast was mentioned in this video, I was wondering if it'd be possible to make a theory about how that broadcast signal might be responsible for Lance's Illegal Dragonites in the Johto games?
I see that SMG4 Bob reference at 6:50
Very well placed!
Cyrus = Ross. CyROSS. Cyrus' Japanese name is Akagi, which is a great Mountain in the KANTO REGION OF JAPAN! Also in US/UM you fight Cyrus as part of 'Team Rainbow Rocket' a possible callback to his days as Team Rocket Scientist Ross. You could also argue their hair colours are the same also.
Uhhh. No.
Cyrus is named Cyrus because of David Koresh (a famous cult leader whose name, Koresh, translates to Cyrus, as in King Cyrus of the Bible.)
As far as Akagi, it’s probably a reference to the fact Cyrus is literally a volcano waiting to explode, seemingly dormant/inactive but in truth seething with rage and emotionality to a boiling point.
But then cyrus gets out of the distortion world when you finish the pokedex in platinum
Then he grows dorito hair and becomes lysandre obviously
@@dallinmoody1297 you sounds like you don’t believe me
@@jeremyetremblay6663 ... While it's true I don't remember that interaction (and bulbapedia says nothing about it) what I said is actually my headcanon... I just say it humorously because I know no one would take it seriously
6:49 Wait... was that... was that an SMG4 reference?
Edit: 9:11 AND a TFS reference!?! Truly, you are a man of culture as well!
The one big problem I see with this theory is that the dubious disc is an item that can be found in team galactic's hideout, which you visit before Cyrus is even in the distortion world, let alone "trapped" there. I guess you could say the rushed code was meant for something else and they changed it to make Porygon Z, but if you trade Porygon 2 with the dubious disc that you can obtain before Cyrus goes to the distortion world, you still get a Porygon Z. Neat theory either way though.
What if Pokemon Legends Arceus, is the new universe created by Cyrus?
it can't be possible, as the universe would lack spirit and emotion
It’s not.
@@frozezone2947 The biggest giveaway that it’s not, is the fact technology is nowhere to be found.
You expect me to believe Cyrus’ idea of a perfect world involves no technology? The dude who is obsessed with machines??
Controversial: Is Porygon a duck or goose? 👀
Yes.
Yes
I love watching your vids, they give me something to do at night when I can’t fall asleep and don’t wanna do homework. :D
Fun fact:all members of the porygon line were at one point fully evolved. The porygon line is also the only one that needs 2 trades to be fully evolved