The NSO Expansion Pack Is...Kind of an Awful Deal?
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- čas přidán 15. 10. 2021
- Nintendo just announced the pricing plans for the Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Pack, and people aren't super happy about it.
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Nintendo: “Please don’t emulate our games…”
Consumer: “Ok fine, what you got?”
Nintendo: “$50 a year for 9 N64 games.”
Consumer: “I see… Lemme go see how dolphin is doing.”
@littywitty: I guess your stupid, the 50$ a year it is not just for N64 and Genesis game, it include the basic plan with NES, SNES, online play in modern game that are only availabe if you pay the basic service, i do agree at some points if they add another 2nd pack, and all does pack together with the basic plan end-up 100$ a year, that would be too mush, but for now it is fine, and also the reason on the pricing being high: CZcams Using switch force: uploaded a video on october 15, 2021 and shows a twitter message from the staff, on the reason why the price is high. They have to pay the licensing for all the 3rd party game, so the cost add up.
@@SuperNickid Literally nobody asked for sega genesis games. That was a completely stupid move to add those in if that was the deciding factor to charge $50 for this garbage deal.
@@dogedoge1110 Did you even read what I said, the reason for the high price, it is the N64 third party licensing unless I forgot to add that information, and also I never claim the Genisis was the reason for the price increase.
@@SuperNickid Most consoles of the last few generations, allowed online play as a free feature, and in the event it was paid for, the internet service was actually GOOD, so that really shouldn't be considered a bonus, when Nintendo Switch online runs like a broken down old car (some days it's fine, others it's unusable, remember; you're paying money for this), except instead of being old and busted, it's brand new. Not to mention; the amount of games they have on display make the 50$ price tag look like a complete joke. 50$ for what amounts to 20 NES & SNES games, and 10 N64/Genesis games? Fantastic... On Steam, I can download well over 70 Sega Genesis games for around 3$ each, and these games have mod support to allow Rom Hacks to be played.
Sure, they have to pay licenses for games like Ninja Gaiden and such; that makes sense. But if that's going to hurt the company so badly... perhaps they should be pouring out a larger offering of the games they have full rights too to also entice people to want to pay for it, as opposed to drip feeding us the minimum possible? All their actions are doing is encouraging emulation, and they've nobody but themselves to blame until they get with the times and realize how to combat this issue.
"Piracy is caused by a publisher failing to meet expectations or offering a suitable option for people to utilize their services. If you want to stop piracy, make your services more convenient then pirating." - Gaben: Valve
@@SuperNickid As far as I'm concerned, the $20 plan is strictly for online access and the NES/SNES games are a cool bonus. That means I'd be paying $30 extra for N64 and Genesis games. I'm good.
As is the Nintendo way, two steps forward, then you fall backwards down the stairs
Warned you about the stairs BRO WARNED YOU ABOUT THE STAIRS! XD
not exactly related, but your comment made me think of the SM64 staircase and gave me a little chuckle so thanks
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Nintendo does the Hokey Pokey when it comes to taking steps forward and back.
@@olivia4651 What is WRONG with you?!
"I don't want to, but I'll probably do it."
That's the reason Nintendo keeps doing this. Everyone complains about their service plan, releasing HD versions of games at full price, and then you buy it anyway.
Why would Nintendo stop when you do exactly what they want? The only way to stop Nintendo from doing this is to not buy their stuff. You can't reward their behavior with exactly what they want.
Nintendo has shown time and time again that they don't care about the backlash so long as you open your wallet. They're going to continue until they finally cross the line. But they haven't yet. Because you're still going to buy it. You say they crossed the line, but clearly not if you still pay for it.
Everyone seems to complain all the way to checkout. I'm guilty of it too, but I understand that complaining and buying it anyway isn't going to solve anything, no matter how much I complain. But I'm still going to buy it, because I want it. And that's why Nintendo wins argument this every time.
The market decides the price. If people are still paying for it then the market is fine with the price. Just economics.
@@ChristinaMagma That's exactly it. It doesn't matter how much you complain if you pay for it anyway.
@@Nohawkkid008 👆
Yet y'all pay $500+ for PS5.. Smh
It's Not Even Close to as bad as you guys are making this out to be..#1. The Regular Yearly Pass is $1.66/Month Some of you say it's not even worth that? Trust me when I say.. We will never get a Video Game Online Service for this cheap ever again. #2. It's an extra $2.50/Month for the OPTIONAL Expansion Pass. #3. If that's still too much for you, you can get just 3 other people to go in on a Family Pass with you & it will cost you $1.66/Month, (the same rate you were paying for the normal Online Service) get even more people, it becomes even cheaper than that! That's.. A solid price. #4. It's MUCH better for Nintendo to release these altogether Online rather than all of these stand alone. If they had released Majora's Mask for Zelda 35 this year & it was $30+, none of you would've said a word about it. At least with this, you get a good number of games that you can play before your subscription is up.
I wouldn't be surprised if they stop adding NES and SNES games to push more people to get the expansion pack.
I'm afraid of this very thing 😥
That's one more point against buying this new thing: they never kept a consistent schedule for the NES and SNES drip. At first it looked like it was going to be monthly but it massively slowed down, and at the tail end we get a single NES and a single SNES game after 3-4 months
They pretty much have already done that. I haven't seen any new NES games in forever and I think even then it was only one game.
Mind you, only 6% of the entire (NA) SNES library is represented on the switch, and only 9% of the NES library, that's ridiculous even considering licensing, and the myriad of dead companies from then til now
@@applchu Yea, the size of the library is really limited but so was the VC - Nintendo has to do things legally. They don't own most of the NES titles - most of them were made and published by other companies and if they say No there isn't much to be done. Even if the original company is dead, it doesn't mean Nintendo can do whatever they want to. Nintendo can do better and they should though.
Sometimes it really seems like every time Nintendo thinks that everyone feels too unambiguously happy about something they're doing, they get the urge to even the scales somehow...
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
Nintendo: *sees their customers overjoyed at finally getting what most asked for.*
Also Nintendo: ”Time to tip the scales!”
@@Ausholliday15 Damn you got there before I could. Good job sir.
@@olivia4651 thanks for that message, Olivia. It contributed so much to the conversation and I'm 100% positive that you're a real person.
Perfectly balanced as all things should be lol
Ladies and gents, please DO NOT pay for this expansion pack if you aren't okay with the pricing. The worst thing is when people complain about these things and then end up buying them anyway.
That's the sad truth really, people complain about the price and yet they still buy it anyway.
Personally, I'm not good with the price, but I want to wait a bit for there to be more games before I can play these legitimately on the Switch. Until then, I'll just have to keep running sh*tty emulators on my chromebook. Also, half of these Sega Genesis games are free on mobile, including Sonic 1, 2, and CD.
I feel that this is Anti-consumer personally. I'm not going to get the expansion pack. I rather keep my current subscription and not paying double for what it's worth.
I don't intend on paying for this expansion pack. I was on board for it when it was first announced, but I'm not planning on getting it now. I'll stick with emulating N64 and Sega Genesis games on my computer.
Typical Nintendo fans, mildly complain about it for a couple of days then go back to buying from Nintendo and licking their boots.
It's honestly getting harder to justify any purchase for an online service these days. Money is tight and some people just don't want to spend money on, lets be honest, a useless service. Mostly useless.
HUGE respect to Arlo for brutal honesty! I don't sub to CZcamsrs to hear them tiptoe around difficult conversations they clearly have feelings about!
Not to mention, he even elaborates how STUPID this is, business-wise. So anti-consumer, you know?
Nintendolife, RGT 85 and Beatemups *cough cough*
@@edmundblackadder2741 came in here to post something similar. Those channels have no backbone.
@@edmundblackadder2741 I'll give them this: at least mentioned it. I'd take that rather than the simps over at Gamexplain who just decided to sweep the whole controversy completely under the rug lol
I don't think it's that respectful lol these youtubers complain about every single thing you can imagine lol every video I've ever seen, they have something to complain about lol not just him. All of the guys who make money off of Nintendo.. Complain about Nintendo. It's like the popular thing to do these days..
@@KDthunder2009 did that comment really need three 'lol's?
RIP Satoru Iwata - "I don't believe it's right to charge consumers a recurring subscription fee to access online play"
Maybe he was right but the game industry has changed. The consensus is that companies will charge for access to services that require recurring investment from the developers, and most gamers are willing to pay for it.
@@nunyabiz2016 > companies will charge for access to services that require recurring investment from the developers
It doesn't cost them anything to run a pentium 2 in a sewer's basement to pass along the 16 bytes of information detailing someone's IP address in order to facilitate a peer to peer connection.
They charge you money to use your internet because console peasants will pay for the privilege of being bent over a barrel. Wanna play Mario Maker? Splatoon? Mario Kart? You either give us the money or you don't get to play your game. That you paid for. With money.
It's a nice racket. I'm sure victim's love to rationalize why paying protection money to the yakuza or whatever isn't that bad, too.
Very sad this ideal has died 😔 it was absolutely correct; your client base is what keeps your business employed so why trick them and gouge them? When using long term thinking, it will lead to harm befalling the business
@@nunyabiz2016 we are suckers in the end
@@BMoser-bv6kn Microsoft started that racket. PS3 days were the good old days.
"Man I'd pay anything for an F-zero game with online multiplayer"
Nintendo: "ok, bet"
:) thx for the reminder
project64 with netplay?
Let's GO
@@chillmanmax775 pretty sure its "online" that you can connect with friends. No matchmaking
@@MultiGamer451 does n64 on switch have online matchmaking ? If not then theres not really an advantage over emulating
The sheer fact Arlo is using Goomba Village as the music in the background makes this so much harder to resist
I just want to replay Paper Mario whenever I want every single year but 50$ is where I draw the line
GameCube emulators exist for both PC and mobile
I really wish they'd just let us buy the games outright instead of going through the service. The way I think they should do it is offer the games in the shop for a reasonable price then also have them through the service like Xbox Game Pass for like $40-50 for the year and get everything even in the future if they add in GameCube games but then have the base service as well for $20 for people that just want the ability to play online but don't want the classic games.
The worst part of all of this is the implication. They are saying that their non-premium service is complete, and that it's so complete, they feel comfortable charging more for extra features. That means they officially and openly don't want to fix the many problems with the service.
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That stinks
I would of thought that was obvious. What did you think was getting fixed? Dedicated servers? Roll back netcode in smash? I also promise all future online exclusive games similar to Tetris 99 will be expansion exclusive. Just watch
Nintendo is the reason I don't feel guilty for using emulation for retro games. If they'd make their old games available for a small fee or price per game, I'd pay it. But I'm not giving stupid prices for stupid added features I don't care for! The fact that they couldn't even bother with Earthbound speaks volumes! I'm not even a huge Earthbound fan but everybody knows that's a game that should've been on their service on day one!
Switch online isn't an online service with Snes and Nes games. It's a Snes and Nes library with online services added on.
To Nintendo there's no other easy Snes and Nes games that excite people that they can add, so they're done. The online is the bonus not the other way around. That's why the game library keeps increasing but the online didn't get a single update
I think the most aggravating aspect of this entire fiasco is the fact that THIS is the reason Virtual Console never made it to Switch. Say what you want about the Wii U, but that console's eShop gave you games from the NES through to the Wii, with backwards compatibility and the option to transfer previously purchased games for a minor charge. While the prospect of getting my hands on N64 games is tempting, the fact that it is now all or nothing makes it a no-go. Not having the ability to buy individual titles outside of NSO is simply mind-boggling, and combined with the ludicrous price tag, will only drive people further toward piracy and emulation, further exacerbating the problem.
Yup! With gba and some select ds games
And I doubt that Nintendo will ever bring the virtual console back. The wii u will go from the most hated console to the most desired.
3DS e-shop deserves some praise too!
The moment they shut down the Wii U and 3DS e-shops there will seriously be riots. Unimaginable amount of content gonna be lost. I estimate 2023 for both 😥
And Gamecube compatibility they explicity blocked, which can still be activated by homebrew stuff.
My first reaction to the expansion was"oh cool,I can finally play PM64 on my switch",not gonna throw 50 bucks out for that alone
@JayBe Apparently sometime this year the Japanese Eshop for the 3ds isn't going to allow credit cards so the end actually might be early next year...
There are supply shortages. Christmas is coming. Parents will buy this when the shelves are empty. It's evil genius at its best.
Ok, so if we all join Arlo's family plan, we can make this a couple cents every other year or something... That sounds reasonable
isn’t the limit like 8 people or something tho? lol
If Arlo could hook up all 585k of his subscribers, that'd get us all 76 years of NSO+EP for a penny each, making it almost worth it
@@ohnoitschris *almost*
I love how I forget that Arlo is a puppet. I literally think of the Arlo puppet as a person just living his normal puppet person life.
#puppetsarepeopletoo
Don't discriminate against sentient puppets man that's dollist
Ted 2 all again
He's not a puppet, he's a monster
I still don't understand why he's the cookie monster
Remember this is 50$ for something you will never OWN in your life. Yes, a game is 60$, but you OWN it.
You have never owned a game you actually owned.
@@Seth_Hezekiah what?
Yes? So you want to pay extra to port games like the VC did?
@@Seth_Hezekiah
Someone's never heard of physical media. Piss off zoomer.
Ahaha, only if it's physical! Remember you're only paying for a "license" to access digital stuff. Ain't that silly and worthy of righteous contemption, aha ha... Companies really aren't your friends, always worth rememberin'.
Every American: "This price is fucking Ridiculous."
Every Canadian: "You guys haven't come to our country then eh. (cries internally)
Its still a pretty bad deal regardless of price. Its like Nintendo realised reselling the same ROMs repeatedly was starting to look bad, So they decided people can't buy those ROMs anymore you have to rent them them now. You could have easily bought Mario 64 four times now but Nintendo still expects you to pay for it annually.
Whenever Nintendo does something maybe a little cool, a ridiculous price tag is smacked on. I’ll mod my Wii for free, thank you very much
I'm sorry, 10 bucks per console. You consider that much?
Nintendo switch expansion pass
Nintendo: I brought Animal crossing DLC
One for everyone
Everyone: yay
Nintendo: but I need it back at the end of the day
@@fluffynator6222 you could argue with a brick wall
@@fluffynator6222 do you consider Nintendo keeping it at the shush not letting people know that they don’t keep the DLC they are only borrowing it as long as they pay their subscription and as soon as they lose their subscription they lose it unless they buy the DLC by itself
@@aaww1010
You can buy it...
Goomba village theme is such a good choice.
A rare crypo-verified acc :o sus
Arlo's outro is a bop too.
Goombas village is always a good choice
What game is it from?
@@lkl112 I always wanted to know what the outro song ist called....
I'm not paying 50 dollars a year for games I've already played, or still own.
Yea. Best for me to preserve. And live the eternity.
Definitely too pricey at the minute even in the UK where the price point seems much better than in the US.
I want to know a lot more about the service, like how often will they add new games? Will it include new dlc or even some of the old stuff that’s no longer selling? Will this improve the online service?
So many things need to be clarified before this is a proposition I’m willing to pay for.
You think it's expensive there? Try Canada where it's $65
I will always be upset that this was the underlying reason as to why we lost the Virtual Console; because Nintendo wanted to sell games as a service rather than let you actually own them. What people fail to look at is the long run of it all: In say, 4 years for now, you will have coughed up $200 and have nothing to show for it. When Nintendo eventually shuts down the servers after moving on the next big thing, so too will the entirety of that library of games. It's infuriating to know that that this is why a Zelda Collection was never made, and why SM3DAS was delisted.
You just said why I refused to give Nintendo ANY money for this service.
Totally agree. Not giving us a Virtual Console was very anti-consumer in my opinion.
Super Mario 3D? Was that game gonna get a port...?
Would a Virtual Console even fix that issue? They've already shuttered the Wii Shop Channel server from being able to buy those older VC games, and who knows how long until they shut people out from redownloading them. Any digital service is subject to future permanent loss, whether it be VC-style shops or games-as-service models.
Which does fall back on how they handle things like SM3DAS where your only access to the game is hampered by how limited they made its release.
Yup. Most people don’t even think about it, but everyone lost their games to old hardware because they wanted to sell you access to your games every year. 🙄
The most frustrating part for me is this focus on the retro games meanwhile they completely ignore the *actual online service*. I haven't touched NES or SNES games I just want Splatoon and Smash to actually function
I just had to think backwards to understand Nintendo. To Nintendo switch online isn't online as the main focus plus bonus games. No it's a retro game library plus bonus online. The retro library is the one constantly getting updates and new games, the online didn't get a single update.
I hope Splatoon 3 uses the new online system that Nintendo made. (It's the thing that Mario Party and Monster Hunter Rise use)
Yeah it's kind of sad and hilarious, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has sold tremendously yet Nintendo has done literally nothing for any of its horrible online issues
ESPECIALLY smash. can i have the ability to play online comfortably without getting a LAN?
I love Nintendo with all my heart, I really do, but this.... oh man. This is something I couldn't see myself defending in any kind of reality
If they had a mix n' match deal, or let you choose one or the other, or had it all be in one package and be priced at like 40 bucks a year, it would have been better
In recent years I have realized that this sentence doesn't work anymore. I love *Nintendo's games* with all my heart, but I have started to dislike the company a lot. If they were anyone else, I probably wouldn't buy their stuff. But they still have a lot of projects I absolutely want to support, so I continue to give them my money. Not on NSO though, fuck that lol
"I dont want to get it.
But I'm gonna get it."
Such a mood
KORA OH HI
Thanks for being part of the problem
Have self control loser
Fuck that lmao, I'm refusing to pay MORE THAN DOUBLE for something they should've added FOR FREE in the first place, paying money to play games online is scummy enough, but this... This is just laughable.
@@PikminandOatchi have some sympathy loser x2
You get to RENT the dlc for “free”.
Then Nintendo takes it away if you don't pay $50 more.
@@Hibernial Has Nintendo become EA??????
Sweet pumpkin toothpaste that's just wrong
@@orangeslash1667 the president of NOA worked for EA
@@emilyquinn9691 oh
Nintendo does it yet again: announce thing that people are quite pleased with, only to reveal details that instantly mark it as the crappiest deal possible.
Dude Nintendo is the best example of real life CORRUPT-A-WISH I've ever seen in the gaming industry.
The funny thing is you people keep thinking they will change LMAO
Nintendo will continue doing this shit and the way they fucked up the zelda anniversary no I ain't doing it
@@egg64 you can have 3 of the best 3D Mario games ever.
But only for a few months
@@bigmike9486 Technically they screwed up the Marion3D All Stars too. That and the lack of Zelda Anniversary and the disrespectful treatment of the NES and SNES library should be enough for people to cancel the base subscription at this point.
I remember when the Switch Online was free and when they announced they would start charging for it people were saying: "oh but it will be made to be better because we have to pay for it." It's still stinky to this day.
Nintendo being the Disney equivalente, cashing out our nostalgia. I really hope Nintendo catches the hint and doesn’t further the price. Add in advance and game boy, it could be worth it but not more.
This is amazing, Nintendo managed to totally ruin my excitement for this expansion pass. I get a good amount of play of Genesis games on my switch, but that's through the Genesis Classics collection, which I now own for eternity. The Animal Crossing DLC is totally wasted on me, I don't play AC. It truly feels like it's there just to hike up the price. And N64 I'm still down for, but it feels like something I would've paid $10 for, and would have to double and then some for that. It's a tough pill to swallow for me to pay $30 extra for games I own physically on switch, useless DLC, and then some actual cool stuff.
Don’t forget your actually borrowing the ACNH dlc, not owning it forever if you get it via the expansion
Nintendo should realize they could still make millions selling the nes/snes/n64 games separately. $5 per nes /snes game. Expensive? Sure, but I think a lot less people would complain about it. $10 per N64 game. A bit pricey again, but I would gladly pay that to play Banjo Kazooie or the OG Ocarina of Time.
But like you said, adding a bunch of unnecessary things to a *subscription* is too much. They give us these things but then the way to get them is too much for anyone to want it anymore.
@@Yellowredstone I can only assume investors and corporate greed are hedging their bets they'll make more money doing this than just selling the games at 1 fixed price, even if it's objectively worse for the consumer and less money would still be a fuck ton of money, because fuck the consumer companies bow only to the almighty dollar and they'll exploit us it sanyways they think they can get away with.
Nintendo online should be $10 for the "base pass" + $10 per console ($5 for handhelds, if they ever come) + $10 for family plan. That totals $60 for the family plan, which is what the Expansion Pass should be. Even THEN it's pushing it, since they don't do complete libraries.
In context of the price, the inclusion of Genesis games specifically over GBA, GC or another console are what really sour it all for me. It's a library that is readily available in multiple forms on a wide variety of platforms for a lower price. So what this is basically selling me on is just 9 N64 games, most of which were previously re-released on both Wii and Wii U with future games coming on no clear schedule or sense of scope for how far they will go with the catalog.
@C-Jib Considering everything about this expansion and the already existing service is pure dogshit, I don't see what's wrong with him talking about them including more trash.
@C-Jib The inclusion of something readily available for cheaper and better ON THE SAME PLATFORM, let alone other platforms, to the exclusion of a different thing that is not available anywhere else legally is what they're talking about. The inclusion of Genesis games does not sit in a vacuum, it being there is Nintendo arguing for the value of the service. OP is saying that it does not add value when you can get those games elsewhere easily for a better price.
Besides, it's NSO. We know exactly how bad the service quality is. My Xbox 360 had better online features over 15 years ago.
@@GreenShark4 you do realize the online for the genesis games in those other versions sucks/ is non existent?
more losers complaining they can emulate the games on their computer as if they think they are cool for saying that. nobody gives a single shit you pirate old games.
WAHH WE WANT RETRO GAMES. JK WE JUST WANT NINTENDO TO GIVE US EXACTLY WHAT WE ASK FOR THEN COMPLAIN AND SAY WE CAN GET IT FOR FREE BY STEALING
Don't worry, you'll probably get GBA next year and they'll bump the price to $75 a year 🙃
@C-Jib It's the bundling problem. A company "adds value"to justify the price hike by including features in the bundle that some consumers don't care about or want, so to this group, it might as well just be a price hike.
In this case, the "added value" from the Genesis library _specifically_ is a middle finger not only to the people who would rather pay separately for permanent ownership of the N64 games. It's also a middle finger to those dying to play the GBA and Gamecube games they missed out on (like, for example, _*Metroid Fusion*,_ of particular importance with the recent release of Metroid Dread), _and_ to the Sega fans who already have cheaper options, as Design Doc mentioned.
It's lose-lose for multiple slices of Nintendo's current audience, but the people in that company making the pricing decisions, especially during fat years like the Switch and Wii generations, tend to take their base of lifelong brand-loyal fans for granted. They're like Democrats who "know" they have Massachusetts and California progressive voters under lock and key, no matter how many betrayals or broken promises.
Nintendo sees their classic games as worth more monetarily than they actually are
Dude, if you pay for the service, then you're contributing to the problem. Nintendo is doing this because they know they can get away with it; because they know YOU will still pay for it. You have the platform here. You have the opportunity to make a stand and say "No, I won't accept this, and you shouldn't either." Money talks, and that statement goes both ways. They'll listen if sales drop. Don't buy into their BS.
Also, butternut squash? Yes please.
I don’t understand the problem. How is 4 bucks a month expensive? Why are people complaining?
@@franktorres7963 it's about value ...duh ...how do you determine value? You compare it to what other companies are doing and if they're doing much more for that price then you have a bad deal. Do I really need to explain this to you? Nintendo sells Skyward Sword HD for $60 while Sony sold Shadow of Collossus remake for $40 which had infinitely more work and money put towards development. Gamepass gets you AAA brand new games. Even ps plus bearts the crap out of this deal.
@@franktorres7963 but you aren't paying 4 a month? You're paying 50 a year. I hate this argument that "If you divide it!" It doesn't make sense, that's 50 Euro from my wallet gone. (Also there isn't a month or 3 month subscription like NSO there is ONLY the year payment)
@@isthisagoodusername9764 ?? It's 4 bucks a year if youre on a full family plan and split it. Who TF buys Nintendo online monthly?
@@isthisagoodusername9764 ok. I understand. But hate is such a strong word. 50$ dollars from my wallet in one second is better than 4 bucks a month. And I don’t have to worry for an entire year. That’s cheap. I still don’t understand the complaints. That’s a really good deal my friend. Cheers from LA
Like Vinny said: Nintendo has been very successful now for couple of years and when companies like Nintendo get successful, they tend to become annoying. That may lead them to make more and more mistakes and we might see a situation like Wii U, where Nintendo gets humbled big time and become a lot less annoying
Exactly.
They need to get Wii U'd again.
History repeats itself
It hasn't even been that long since the Wii U corporate time wise. I think it was really JUST Iwata holding back the flood of corporate villainy, and in his passing Nintendo lost their conscience.
I don't trust their "trickle release" statement. Look at how infrequently we get any NES/SNES games since they stopped monthly updates.
They have absolutely no incentive to finish their release schedule. The moment they do, everyone will peace out.
Even with the rare trickles, they use bottom of the barrel games
Edit: for most of the releases
It’s so so unfortunate, myself included, so many people don’t have any way to play these n64 games, I’ve been wanting to play oot and majoras mask since I stupidly sold my 3ds when I was younger and couldn’t even beat them when I had them.
@@izzym6422 emulate it on a phone or computer bro
@@millenniumvintage9726 Not everyone
A: Wants to pirate games
B: Wants to play console games on a PC
I am a primarily PC gamer and I can't stand it when people say "Just emulate it" because I:
Don't want to pirate games,
and don't want to play old console games on my PC
We want these games available on our NINTENDO platforms.
If I'm on my PC I'm gonna play a game befitting of my PC...
There's nothing I would want from the Sega library I can't get for a buck fifty on PC to _keep_ forever. Just get emulators for everything else and buy Happy Home Paradise separately.
A few months back, after getting impatient for Nintendo to actually port their best classic games to Switch, I brought a GameCube that came with Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker and Twilight Princess, I brought the Mario 3D All Stars collection when it came out last year and I already have access to the 2D Zelda games with the base Nintendo Switch Online package.
I know this is a pretty specific scenario. I'm not new to Nintendo games, and most people are not going to go to the trouble of sourcing and buying vintage consoles. But for a one-time investment I now own all the N64 and GameCube games that I am likely to want to replay on a semi-regular basis. I don't have a *massive* interest a lot of the N64 titles beyond Mario and Zelda.
I think this really sums up Nintendo's approach to their library of games over the last few years. The fact that they have such a long history of significant first-party franchises *is* their USP. The Switch is their best selling console since the Wii, and Breath of the Wild has introduced a large number of people to the Zelda franchise. But they have waited too long to release their classic titles and overcharged for them now.
Can you imagine if Xbox Game Pass had a base price, but they you had to pay extra to play Halo CE or Fable? It's inconceivable that they'd do that. But Ninteno just gotta Nintendo, I guess.
Holy hell you're sitting on a goldmine with those gamecube titles... I can't find any gamecube Zelda titles for less than $100 anymore
@@MidnightCyanide I was extremely lucky. I got the GameCube with a controller, memory card and all those Zelda games for £200.
I think that there is less competition for PAL games than there is North American ones, but it was still a great deal. GameCube TP alone can go for over £50 these days. I found this bundle on Ebay and literally nobody else was bidding on it.
The part that really gets me is that the access to games is an additional bonus to the actual product, access to online play for the Nintendo switch. A service that would have been considered abysmal 10 years ago, and is an absolute dumpster fire in 2021. Online SSB4 play was terrible, but it was free. With the introduction of the switch, Nintendo made no improvements to the existing product, but had the gall to actually charge for it.
It's not like they're the only one offering a library of games bundled with their service either. With the recent price increase, Nintendo is closing in on the price of their competitors' analogous products. Just take a second to compare NSO to the products offered by Sony and Microsoft. Both of the competitors offer vastly superior performance than NSO, while providing significantly larger libraries of free content. With the release of the PS5, Sony just gave away the PS4 greatest hits to anyone with PS+, while Nintendo took the opposite approach and ported all of the Wii U's big sellers and resold them at $60 a piece. The argument that this is optional content, and that the additional cost is justified doesn't hold water when you compare it to the competition.
If Nintendo is serious about boosting NSO membership they need to make dramatic improvements to the performance of its games on said service. It's 2021, there just isn't an excuse to have online play as bad as NSO.
I agree with this statement right here
A common defence I read to this is that Nintendo aren't directly competing with Sony and Microsoft - while Sony and Microsoft do consoles, and Steam and GOG are on PC, Nintendo hit this new console/portable hybrid demographic with the Switch where they have no competitors.
Personally, I hate that defence. Nintendo competed directly with Sony and Microsoft throughout the lifespan of the Gamecube, split off with the Wii, and then tried and failed to re-capture the Wii's demographic with the Wii U. If they were brought to the same level as Sony and Microsoft, it would incline them to give their customers a better deal.
I feel that Nintendo is such a diverse company in comparison to both Sony and Microsoft, with their games, products, consoles, etc. that they don't need to make everything they have expensive. PS+ and Xbox Gold are both 60$ a year, that's quite a bit of money, but it's for good online service and free games every month. NSO has no reason being 50 dollars for something that's like 30 in actuality. Personally I think you shouldn't have to pay at all for an online service on console but it's just the world we live in.
@Tom Ffrench I don't feel like the hardware is the issue. From what I remember Splatoon 2 functioned pretty well for the first year of the switch's life before NSO was introduced. Then after that it went to crap.
@Tom Ffrench Hardware doesn't generally affect online connectivity (unless it's basically dial-up era hardware); generally, the main things that cause problems with connection are having poor Internet connection (e.g. a 1-bar wifi connection) or problems with Nintendo's networking and servers. Given that I have a pretty stable wired connection and having played previous-generation online Nintendo games, I'm liable to blame Nintendo's own garbage netcode.
That's just great, when Nintendo finally does something that everyone has been begging for, they make you pay an extortionate amount of money to get it.
Almost like they're saying just emulate
They are seriously overestimating the appeal of their N64 library in this day and age.
@@BradTheDead Sad thing is they probably aren't. There are a ton of people who bought a Switch for their kids and will happily pay that atrocious amount of cash for the nostalgia rush.
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 You do realize that all the people emulating are driving up the price of Nintendo's products, right? That's how business works. You make honest people pay for the theft.
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 Yep. A lot of people could just get old games for free, but NSO is pretty cheap plus you get access to online, so many decide to just pay. But with the expansion many people who previously bought the pass now have no reason to get it as now paying $50 instead of getting the games for free isn't worth and it isn't a "why not" situation. $20 was the perfect price.
I freaking love the paper mario for N64 music you're playing in the background.
Just sell me the games I want, dont want to "rent" them.
One time money not continuous
Is probably their reason for no virtual console
I remember some Discord people telling me I "overreacted" when we first saw the Switch was going to paid online and while it was ok if I didn't want to buy it, it was still "better than everyone else's paid plans".
Now look at this shit. Can we please go back to the time game consoles had FREE online? I barely play console games anymore (especially no multiplayer games) because now you basically need to pay extra for the games in order to have the full experience...and not even permanently! At least more people aren't defending the expansion, but now it is going to "well some countries aren't AS bad with the price!" so I think some people have learned nothing.
If Iwata was still around I'm sure it would have been possible.
@@Benjamillion Iwata wasn’t Jesus, he would be ok with a pay online service, HOWEVER, I cannot say for sure if the quality of the service would be as lackluster as it is now if he was still alive and in charge of the company, that’s a more debatable topic
@@wolfdragox5563 coincidence or not, there was a noticable dip in quality after he died
This is a bit off-topic, just slightly, but I looked into Final Fantasy XIV for the first time recently and the prices made me want to puke. $60 for the game, as if you're buying to own, a "free" first month membership, and then roughly $12-$15 a month after to keep playing the game (if I understand their subscription properly). And they claim to have over 22 million registered players, of which many have probably paid for that scam.
Anywho, moral of the story is gamers are stupid and will pay for anything with enough shine on it, regardless of the asked price. I also saw where this switch online thing was going and refuse to purchase even the base "service." Eventually, I fear games are going to become so obnoxiously expensive that people will either stop playing them entirely, go into debt to play them, or just resort to mass piracy again.
@@GamePlayuh9510 If you think ffxiv is bad, you have to watch World of Warcraft case, a MMO you have to pay $15 per month to play, and ever since TBC (the burning crusade) you’ve to buy the current expansion too (it becomes free once the next one arrives tho) WoW has existed since 2004 and the paid expansions started in 2007, and both the subscription model and full price expansions have stayed as monetization of the game for over 15 years, and in case you’re wondering, yes there are mtx too (some P2W like a boost to get max lvl)
I’ve defended a lot of Nintendo’s decisions in the past. I even defended the base NSO to some extent because, to me, it was a decent value for $20 a year. I was still annoyed, but I was relatively fine with it.
The expansion pass, though…
Let me make this absolutely clear. This is _not_ worth an additional $30 a year for individuals or $45 a year for 2-8 people. It just isn’t, full stop. And that’s on its own. The fact that you have to have a year-long subscription to NSO in order to get the content on top of that makes that asking price way too high.
For that price, you’re getting:
1) a subscription to DLC for a game that you may or may not own _and_ that can also be purchased separately with a one-time payment of $25;
2) the ability to stream a limited (though growing at an unknown rate) collection of games for the Sega Genesis (some with online play), which is a 30-ish-year-old console _and_ which are already available through the Sega Genesis Collection (also on Switch); and
3) the ability to stream a limited (though growing at an unknown rate) collection of games for the N64 (some with online play), which is a 20-ish-year-old console, with one game being available (in an improved form, though without save states) on the Switch already via Super Mario 3D All-Stars, three of which have improved remakes available on the Nintendo 3DS/2DS, one or two of which are available with improved graphics and performance on the XBox One or XBox Series X/S as part of a collection of Rare games, and most being available on the Wii U Virtual Console.
You also have the online play, cloud-save data (though not for all games), and a limited library of 25-to-30-ish-year-old NES and SNES games for streaming as part of the whole pack.
Let’s contrast this with PlayStation Plus, which gives you better online gameplay, cloud-saves, and a larger collection of PS4 and newer games for just $10 a year more than NSO+expansion. That’s a much better value.
Honestly, for me, the expansion pass has only two things I’m interested in: Banjo-Kazooie and the Animal Crossing DLC. (I already have the other N64 games I want on my Wii U, and I also have the Sega Genesis Collection on Steam.) But frankly, I’d rather just buy the DLC as a one-time purchase and have it forever (since NSO isn’t going to be around forever), and having to pay that much for just a single N64 game isn’t worth it.
I also think this is a terrible value for early-adopters. The initial slate of games on release is, frankly, abysmal in size and missing a bunch of great games for both the N64 and Sega Genesis, so early adopters would be betting on having a bunch more games being added within the first year, which I wouldn’t count on. So, frankly, I don’t think the service will be successful right out the gate. Maybe later on, but without any major things like online play for Super Smash Bros Ultimate, Super Mario Maker 2, Animal Crossing: New Horizons, main-line Pokémon games, Fortnite for Switch, or Splatoon 2/3 requiring the expansion pass (unlike the base NSO), there really is no good reason to buy this early on if at all.
Even the DLC can be purchased separately with a one-time purchase that’s even cheaper than the yearly subscription fee added on to NSO for the expansion pass, and only players of that one game would get _any_ benefit from that inclusion in the first place, so it doesn’t sweeten the deal _at all._ Basically, you have to be willing to pay a lot extra every year just to get a collection of N64 and Sega Genesis games on your Switch with online play. That’s just not worth it.
If it was $5-10 extra per year (with or without the DLC), $15-20 extra per year (with the DLC, maybe), or if they also added GBA, DS, GCN, Wii, or decent non-retro games to the package, it’d be worth the asking price. As it is, it’s just too much money for too little value.
The only possible defence I can think of is the thing Arlo mentioned about maybe including a lot more DLCs in the future, I could get behind the price if we got all upcoming 1st party dlc for 'free' with the expansion... I doubt that's the plan though and it's not really a good defence because this is releasing *as is* for now and is currently an awful, insane, preposterous cost for so little.
I was gonna get it when it was announced, if it was maybe up to $15 more (AUD for the family pack), but I guess the easy choice is just not to buy it.
@@Krusha80 Has Nintendo become EA???????
@@orangeslash1667 A former EA exec, Bowser, is now head of Nintendo of America. Should explain why NA's prices are higher 🤣
@@bk6555 Of all the rotten luck of that to happen.
Making dedicated servers for their biggest games would be great but putting it with the expansion pack would mean splitting the player base of those games in half and would cause problems. They just gotta add it to the normal NSO already
You are the only CZcamsr who was able to voice all of my opinions about this NSO expansion. Everyone else seems to be happy to pay, and I'm just kind of frustrated about it. It's like we all should be expecting better from Nintendo, but nope. They can do no wrong, apparently. 😕
Edit: I don't play Animal Crossing either, I'm super annoyed that they're forcing me to pay for a DLC I don't even own the game for! 😩
I wonder if anyone's actually gonna try to defend what Nintendo has done here. I can only imagine the kind of defense points that they'd make a claim to
The only defense is capitalism. The market decides the price.
When Nintendo first announced that they were going to add an expansion pack to Nintendo Switch Online that included N64 titles I thought, "Awesome, I'll happily pay to be able to play Ocarina of Time again." Now that I know the price however, I have decided against it. Even for die-hard Nintendo fanboys there's no defending this; the pricetag simply beggars belief.
You said the F-word 35 minutes ago and no one insulted you, damn. They must have really gone too far this time.
The icing on the cake is the fact that europe has to pay 40€ for the single membership and 70€ for family, but you americans have to pay 10 bucks more for each.
@@D2daICE Americans got free JoyCon drift repair, while we got nothing. I say the Americans win, hands down.
@@Utilitarian101
In theory i would agree, but sending off my Joy Con to get them repaired takes several days.
Ordering a 4 or 6 pack of analog sticks and replacing them myself only costs around 15 bucks (less sticks are cheaper) and it only takes around 15 minutes per Joy Con.
So even if i have to pay a bit for the analog sticks, i think i have the better deal in the end and a much faster method.
@@D2daICE Fair enough if you can do it better on your own, but it's the principle that counts for me. I argued with Nintendo of Europe extensively and they refused point blank to take any responsibility for the drift issue. ALL FOUR of my JoyCon are drifting, and now so too is my Pro controller. That's 100% of all my Switch controllers that are faulty. It's beyond a joke, and certainly not the result of any kind of negligence on my part, as I care for all my devices well. Essentially I was told that because the one-year warranty is up, then tough shit. The fact that Europeans weren't offered the same courtesy as Americans is a slap in the face and I will never forget that going forward. My respect for Nintendo diminished dramatically because of that.
This is one of those little moments where I’m like “yay, I have a Wii U!”
I agree with you good sir
God dang right
Best console I ever bought.
So jealous that you had the virtual console. Nintendo has become so greedy and anti consumer.
I plan on buying some virtual console N64 games on my Wii U. Though, I'm a little sceptical because I was told that those games have input issues.
It's nice to see your face again Arlo. The voice overs just aren't the same.
my response to the expansion pack: finally softmodding my wii so i can play all the games they're 'offering' on better emulation FOR FREE
"If Nintendo wanted you to buy the games, they would let you buy the games, so just emulate them and be done with it!" - Not Arlo
Arlo somehow manage to tell us he's against nintendo being anti emulation despite straight up saying emulation is bad. He knows if he just straight up said "Just emulate the d*mn game" so he found a loop hole and said we shouldnt emulate in such a sarcastic tone making it obvious he's pro emulation despite saying emulation is bad.
@@nintendoboy3605 That wasn't Arlo, not in a million years he would say that so please don't take him away ninjas!
I think it’s clear Arlo is pro-emulation.
Nintendo really out here still trying to sell Wii Us by locking actually buying the games to that system that lets you buy almost every game in their history while the Switch is stuck with PS Now. 😂
@Tom Ffrench Both the experience with the game and being able to experience it again are valuable. 😇
Whoever proposed it at Nintendo was probably like "c'mon-...! Let's just try it... maybe they won't be that upset. We already got away with charging for peer-to-peer! We can always lower the price if they get too upset!"
They won’t.
I highly doubt he ever mentioned lowering the price in that conversation
@@wolfdragox5563 They would if barely any people subscribe, but I have a feeling there will be enough Nintendo zealots that just automatically "have to" buy anything new from Nintendo that it won't matter.
"Nintendo" and "lowering prices" are two things that never come together to happen
@@wolfdragox5563 if it sold zero units they would. They could scrap the program but that's unlikely since that would technically "throw away time"
You hit the nail on the head. It's nice to have all that extra stuff I didn't ask for but if it's gonna make it cost that much, I'm no longer interested and best case scenario for them, I'll consider forking over some money if and when they put more games I actually want into the service.
I love Nintendo.
The switch held so much value that selling it gave me access to Xbox Game Pass for a few years.
Nintendo and Xbox kind of represent two sides of the modern gaming coin. On one hand you have Xbox who have built Game Pass which is a value proposition that has never been matched and probably never will be.
Nintendo on the other hand Nintendo still seems deeply unsure whether anything they make should be allowed to even brush up against the internet.
If the Switch Pro TM is a meaningful upgrade I will certainly get one. That said every Nintendo online initiative has felt like a barrier and this one in particular feels huge from the outside looking in.
Everyone is talking about the price. I am just wondering why these weren't included into the current program for free.
Adding SNES into the mix after NES felt natural. Logically, the next step would be the eventual inclusion of N64 games....for free.
Imagine if in two or more years, Nintendo decides to add another expansion pack with GCN games for an even further additional price.
Scccch dont give them ideas!
Shut up take my money Nintendo .
I think that the more games that are added, the more value that the 20 dollars get. Eventually, Nintendo could swindle themselves. This is why the concept of the expansion pack made sense, but it was implemented horribly. I feel like they’re only going to be able to make a new tier when they reach Wii games or something, and have plenty of DLCs added onto this one. The current price is still absurd, but could be worth it in a year or so. I’ll wait till then,
I thought the next natural step would have been GameBoy, after that N64, and after that Gameboy Advance. I have always seen the gamecube as something very unlikely for the Nintendo Switch Online.
The GameCube is not easy to emulate with the computing power of the Switch. They were able to do it with Super Mario Sunshine, but probably they had to tweak the emulation a lot in order to be able to run it.
@@luisoncpp Streamer DingDong was talking about this - Super Mario Sunshine on the 3D All Stars package was actually way glitchier than playing it on the original hardware. Many people were saying the game was worse than they remember it being, but that's because the emulation wasn't done entirely right.
Being a Nintendo fan is like being in a toxic relationship. The highs are Sora high and the lows are this. Yeesh.
I know. It's really hard to be an Nintendo fan. I love there games because most of them are good. But as how they do business for the company, there terrible. It's almost liked they're the WWE of video games.
i stopped calling myself a nintendo fan when NSO rolled out. i am a metroid fan, a zelda fan, a smash bros fan and a super mario fan. but i am not a fan of a fucking company.
And like all toxic relationships at the end of the day it’s better to cut em out
Flowkom. Yeah. Like, I'm an fan of there franchise. Namely Metroid, Mario, Wario Land, Donkey Kong, Kirby, Smash Bros. & others. But I'm not an fan of the company.
I hate referring to myself as a "fan" of anything. At most I'll say I like this specifically, but I don't have an undying love for it. If they screw me over, I can just say I always had my doubts in the first place, and I'll move on. Personally I grew tired of Nintendo after the Wii U era (childhood was great with DS and Wii and gave me some amazing memories). I bought it when I was around 13 years old. Played Mario Kart 8 on it, Smash 4 and about 5 other games of note. Overall I enjoyed my experience with the Wii U the most when I played my first race of Mario Kart 8 and then it got boring fast for me personally. Played WWHD as a free game from getting MK8 and it was amazing. Splatoon and Mario Maker were fun. But for me, that's just 4 or 5 games that I liked. The whole library was so thin, and I had to observe other people on gaming platforms enjoying releases every week while the Wii U got a good one maybe once every 5 months. Sold it off in 2017 and 2 years later after saving up I bought a PC. Haven't regretted it one bit. Only thing that annoyed me is that I bought digital games on the Wii U and had to throw them away. But PC has allowed me to experience so many other amazing games I couldn't on Nintendo consoles such as RDR2, Nier Automata, Witcher 3, GTA 5, Hitman 1 and 2, FFXIV Online, Yakuza games and more. All of them are a lot cheaper too because Nintendo releases and even ports are usually full-priced so I feel like I've saved more money by not gaming on Nintendo as well. I'll always like Animal Crossing, Kirby, Zelda and the 3D Mario titles but there are too many red flags for me to continue supporting the company atm
I got a question I'm already a member Nintendo switch online I haven't got the expansion pack my question is when I do upgrade well I be charged immediately or I don't have to pay them until 12 months later
Ok, so Nintendo wanted to add N64 and Genesis games at over DOUBLE the price, but then do a TERRIBLE JOB at the 64 games? Has Nintendo been talking with EA, Activision, Blizzard, etc.. about how to do shit WRONG?!
35$ I would have considered the upper end of the reasonable price range. 50$ is just beyond what I will spend for what is offered.
$40 was the highest I was willing to go for it. What I want to know is if the actual online mode is better when you have the expansion pack.
@@Lightspeeds I doubt it
I might have been more willing to get this if I had faith nintendo was going to keep adding great games to the lineup over the years. But after seeing what they did with the nes and super nes libraries I'm not holding my breath.
Over 100 games isn’t good enough?
@@garvensman it’s been 2 years since SNES games launched there and it took a long time for them to add some of the really essential games like the DKC games, and they STILL haven’t included several beloved games.
I see them adding N64 game day as an effective death sentence for these libraries. It’s not gonna get any more games at this point
@@garvensman for $50 a year with arguably terrible multiplayer servers, not really. :c
@@garvensman Quality over quantity.
I see it coming. Their next sales report will tell how many people bought it and how successfull their service was. If people are complaining they don't care if they still get the money.
I bet you that within a week of release there's gonna be a cracked version for modded switches that lets you add any N64 under the sun to these "online" programs. Once again, pirates are getting a better experience than consumers. Thanks Nintendo.
Modded Switches already have better N64 emulation than NSO does
Going from the Animal Crossing Direct to the NSO expansion pack was like being shown a massive, delicious chocolate cake before someone came up behind me and poured a gallon of ice water over me.
I don't endorse piracy, but Nintendo really has to stop and think about this. If they really have such a problem with hackers and pirates and whatnot, maybe the problem is that their model is actually encouraging people to "sail the high seas." But remember, their current president is someone who came from the accounting division- as in, all he sees is dollar signs. At least Iwata was a game developer himself, so he understood the art and the passion behind the business. All Furikawa sees is maximum profit potential.
If you think any price drop is going dis-incentivize piracy you’re being naive. Those people wouldn’t pay for it even if it was 50 cents.... because they’re pirates the whole point is to not pay for things.
"We think there is a fundamental misconception about piracy. Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem, If a pirate offers a product anywhere in the world, 24 x 7, purchasable from the convenience of your personal computer, and the legal provider says the product is region-locked, will come to your country 3 months after the US release, and can only be purchased at a brick and mortar store, then the pirate's service is more valuable." I could easily set up a system for emulation with netplay that would have a better connection then what NSO EP offers.
@@TGtornadoe I may be misunderstanding them, but I think what they're saying is that Nintendo is encouraging MORE people to pirate. Like me, for example. I've emulated a few GC games in the past, and when Nintendo first announced the expansion pack last month, I was actually interested in paying a bit more to play N64 games! But with that price tag, they have turned me away completely and I'm just gonna emulate the games lol I'm pretty sure there are a lot of people who are in the same boat as me.
@@orange_piano ya, obviously you can't help the always pirates but for the average joe it's paying for the convenience. At the current price point NSO is not worth just setting up an emulator that can play the full catalog or if you have it just digging up your old wii and if it's softmodded injecting your own VC games.
@@dpray96 I think going to a brick and mortar store has more value. It staves off humanity’s spiritual degradation.
nintendo: here's the animal crossing update with tons of stuff and a reasonably priced sequel to hhd in the form of dlc!
me: wow, this is really cool! wait, nintendo sure is being generous...?
nintendo: also, NSO is $50 a year
me: ah, there's the nintendo i know
Trans rights luigi powerup
When is he real
@@moosesues8887 wut
@@mon-bd5sv why do you show yourself now
If you get the $50 membership and get the Animal Crossing DLC but next year you decide NOT to renew it, do you still have access to the Animal Crossing DLC or does that get taken away of you don't renew the $50 next year?
Just release the N64 Classic already, Nintendo! That will cool down so many of these complaints! Especially those who emulate will also be thrilled to have a new classic console to get their hands on.
Good idea honestly
3:49 “And not just that they seem to kind of run really well it even said like kind of in higher resolution- looks like really really nice emulation.”
If only you would have been correct on that part at least.
I'd would've heavily preferred it to be a one time purchase. Paying an additional 30 USD (I'm Canadian) for some N64 games and an update, but having to repeatedly pay it every year is honestly just a bad financial decision for me. They aren't even improving the poor online service? If they put NES, SNES, GB/C/ A, GC, Wii, N64 games all together in a pack for like $79.99 CAD, that would've been a better deal imo. It still would've been overpriced, but damn. Obviously they wouldn't put all the games released on because that would be impossible, but just like do what they're doing now, but in a one time purchase game? Or make it a separate subscription fee for cheaper? Idk this just seems like the worst way to go about this for some N64 games (don't really care much about Sega Genesis tbh). Also the fact the ACNH DLC is "free" with the expansion pack is dumb. You literally have to pay $50 a year to keep the update... this is honestly a scam lol
@@_vizabel_ oh I know same. It's unreal. Plus HST in Ontario is 13%, so it ends up being $90 per switch game. Almost a hundred dollars per game!! And games I really want that are wii u ports like tropical freeze are still full priced... it's so painful
true
It’s annoying that they added ACNH dlc so they could “Reasonably” jack up the price some people don’t even have the main game so they’re paying more for a service that gives them dlc for a game they don’t have
@@Asr10101 Its one of the dumbest things ive ever seen a company do honestly.
Like I could get if they threw it in as a one time promo. Like if you switch to the expansion pack in the next 3-6 months, you get the permanent DLC free, instead of having to buy it separately..... But to have to CONTINUOUSLY pay for the expansion pack with NO option to just outright buy the DLC? yea, thats fucked.
Oml thank you. Finally someone know my pain of having to pay 100$ per switch game because of our taxes
When I was watching the animal crossing direct, I was thinking, “Man this update looks pretty good, but it’s Nintendo so it’s too good to be true. There’s gotta be something stupid they’re gonna do” Then like 20 seconds later the price is expansion gets revealed.
When I first got Amazon Prime, it was $39 a year and now it's $119 a year. Also, so many other things are way too expensive now. Like a tank of gas used to be $30 and now it's $60+ It's crazy!
Subscription services are literally a cancer on the modern world
@@MaxiemumKarnage truth
When they add GC it's gonna cost 1000$ a month
Responding to something at the end: Even though you're the best of the Nintendo guys, we'd still support you for not buying the BANANAS overpriced service, I promise! You don't need to check this one out, we can see it's bonkers
@x evola only $50 each? I thought it was higher than that
@x evola bro this is over 20 years later
The fact that they were surprised people would be mad that they didn't fix online before introducing a 50+ usd option is amazing
So I have a question: is this a one time payment or can we also do this monthly.
You can literally get an entire plug and play genesis console, with two controllers, for $30.
It really feels like Nintendo grouped the AC DLC with the expansion just to artificially inflate the price. That they are trying to trick non AC players into buying the DLC anyway even though they have no reason to do so. It is just so sleazy, it's flat out disgusting.
Prevailing theory is the licensing for Sega Genesis and Rare games caused the price hike. The DLC is just an attempt to lure people into buying the expansion, except you don't even own it after the initial sub.
@@Dailyblazer19 If the Sega licensing cost that much they shouldn't include it because all of those Genesis games are already available in collections and the only Rare game they showed was Banjo. No Jet Force Gemini, no Perfect Dark, not even Diddy Kong Racing. I can't imagine licensing a single game would cost that much.
But the bigger issue here is them forcing the package instead of just letting the consumer just choose what they want. All I care about is the N64 games, the vast majority of what they are offering is worthless to me, but they're demanding that I buy AC DLC if I want the N64 and that's just gross.
Yeah, $4.17 a month for access to over 100 NES/SNES games and dozens of future N64/Genesis titles along with free access to the Animal Crossing DLC is just highway robbery. Or it’s $4.17 a month. $4.17 … are you reading this? $4.17. That’s less than a coffee at Starbucks. Stop crying.
I feel like the Sega Genesis and N64 things are the main selling points of the expansion pack. I'm not too attached to Genesis or N64, so I'd rather pay $25 for the DLC than be extorted by a subscription service.
@@garvensman Did I ever mention the actual price? No, I didn't. My complaint is how they're forcing the whole bundle on consumers instead of just letting us pick what we want.
Imagine going to Subway and ordering a 6 inch and they demand you buy a footlong with literally everything. Yes you're getting what you want technically, but they are making you spend more for stuff that you don't want. It's a sleazy practice. I don't want Genesis, I don't want Animal Crossing. Just let me add N64 to my current plan and be done with it.
I miss when Nintendo was lowkey failing during the wiiu era and was throwing crazy shit at the wall to see what stuck and got even more creative. Sure a lot of people hated the wiiu but nintendo really learned during that time. Now with the switch being so insanely successful theyre getting too greedy
I like to see it as them storing up emergency funds for the NEXT time one of their consoles is a colossal failure. If Switch owners will buy anything no matter how mediocre, Switch 2 skeptics will buy absolutely nothing no matter how stellar. It's a vicious cycle.
They also had a lot of good promos due to the desperation, I think it was buying MK8 digitally that gave you a free other $60 digital game (i think you had 5 choices). Now Switch is selling out the ass so they've flipped back to fuck 'em in the wallet mode.
Nintendo is really good at incentivizing people to emulate their old IPs.
Yooo where did you get that Metroid on the table??
9:18 "I don't wanna do it, but I'll probably do it"
This is why Nintendo (and other companies, really) pull stuff like this. They know people will grump and complain, but in the end only an irrelevant minority will actually refuse to pay for it.
One of Arlo’s fatal flaws
He really needs to suck it up and use Dolphin or not play them. There's more than enough going on in gaming that you can live without playing a handful of N64 games you didn't know you wanted to play until the announcement came.
Based comment.
EA's Madden NFL games in a nutshell.
Ye same thing happened with the Switch OLED. "Oh this is stupid, we wanted a Switch Pro with upgraded SoC"...yet the Switch OLED still sells out within 2 minutes of restock lmao. Nintendo is laughing all the way to the bank.
Here's how I break it down: Base NSO provides 6 different features (online play, NES, SNES, cloud saves, voice chat, bonus offers). Divide that into $20 and you're paying $3.33 per feature. Now when you do the same thing with the Expansion Pack, we're seeing 3 additional features (N64, GEN, and DLC) for $30 more, meaning we're paying $10 per feature now. This is Nintendo being greedy and they probably regret not charging more for the base service since it's so popular.
The services are more valuable. What's your point?
I want the online play feature for free please. Like why pay 60£ for a multiplayer title I can't play without a monthly payment. Make it free to play then
@@fluffynator6222 cope
@@fluffynator6222 What if you don't want the Animal Crossing DLC
@UCKtuIPDuT1huJ44oSJleixw You would probably buy a golden piece of poop Nintendo sells. Not denying that anyone can’t have enjoyment with a golden piece of poop, but at the end of the day it’s a piece of poop
"Wow...just wow" pretty much sums up the current situation Arlo lol!
wait do you need the special plan to get the Happy Home Paradise DLC? Or can you buy it separately and its like an extra addition when you get the special plan
As someone who has refused to buy NSO since it released, this expansion pass feels like a slap in the face to people who want NSO’s core issues fixed.
@@scratchsoft2347 It's the perfect example of "create problems, sell solutions" economics
@@belnonaodh1520 More like "create problems, sell distractions."
It's pure ego at this point. They refuse to even admit they have a problem, just like the joy con drift.
nintendo really doesn’t understand how gamepass-type subscriptions work. if i wanna play mmos, battle royales, online-centric games, it’s reasonable to subscribe because these games are fun right now. but these n64 classics have stood the test of time. we don’t want to have them for now, we want to have them indefinitely. if i dropped $50 on this service, i’d be rushing through masterpieces to get my money’s worth. when i first played ocarina, it kept me occupied for months. these are not the kind of games you play once and the novelty wears off, they’re the kind you come back to again and again.
It's 4 a month, I literally don't care
@@WhopsInc. it’s a little more than 4 dollars a month and that’s still 50 a year. Stop trying to break it down to sound more palatable like a scummy car salesman.
facts
@@stickyfingers5189 dude, if you were to drink once a month with friends it would cost more and last less than this, I break it down so I can more easily understand it in a monthly format to see how it relates to other monthly things like, idk, paychecks!, compare 50 a year to your yearly income (minus expenses) and see how much it is in comparison to that, not much.
I know you think you deserve more for that much but I don't see it as much as it's blown out to being idk man I feel awful like I'm some fucking flat earther yet no matter how I look at it I either find it reasonable or I don't fucking care for the price, meanwhile people who have way more money to throw around are making a fuss, it's okay to demand better services, but it's not okay to claim the prices are too high and that you'll be financially affected when you're not gonna, ya know? Idk
Also a little more than 4 a month, you mean 4.1658333333333, not much more than 4
@@WhopsInc. Cool, waste your money of you want to, but it's still a scam and people are right to critize it
I was thinking I was an early adopter to NSO, but even though there were few games, I was expecting more to come, and that other consoles would be added. I was happy to sort of support the thing until then. But then we pay over double for just the ability to play some N64?
nintendo: the master of making great games for a excessive price.
I'd buy it if the $50 were for me to keep the games, but basically it's a membership a year to play them.
I am absolutely the customer Nintendo lost with this price. When I heard N64 games were coming I was like "Finally, I couldn't care less about anything currently in NSO but I have been waiting forever for an N64 mini and I'd absolutely pay $30-35/year for that N64 lineup on the switch instead so who cares what else I'm paying for and there's no way they'll more than double the price for an expansion pass so I should be fine. I am excited about this announcement." Jokes on me I guess. 🙄
Same $40 at max and $55 for family
I appreciate how honest Arlo is with these things. I've already seen videos from CZcamsrs trying to spin this situation and not be "negative" about it rather than actually talking about how they feel and if this price is warranted.
No, he's not being very honest, because the intent of the expansion service is to add more and more things over time. It's far too early to be harsh on it. The harshest you should even be right now is stating that it's not currently worth the price.
@@yomama9390 I mean... it's not like Nintendo has to go through intense development to add Majora's Mask or Smash Bros 64 to the launch catalog of games. There is NO reason for the expansion pack to be so lackluster at launch.
@@thevo-matoranchronicler588 And if they added all the games at the start you'd still be complaining. Nothing would have pleased you. People started whining when the NES and SNES game releases were slowing down. They already have a list of planned games to come, and that still isn't even the end of it. That's just what's guaranteed.
@@yomama9390 It's not worth the asking price. Simple as
@@ohnoitschris good, then don't buy it. that's all there is to it.
my 3 biggest counter arguments:
1) if nintendo put 3 big games from their past on a physical copy, most people would easily fork over $60 (cough cough, 3d allstars) so if anything i think its fine to pay $30 extra to play OoT, Starfox64, Mario 64, and whatever other games they add
2) they'll probably throw in dlc for games that other people will want, not just animal crossing fans
3) its cost adjusted, you could pay $50 to have it a whole year, or you could pay $20 for the og service and then pay for the expansion at a discount for like half the year
I hope counter argument 2 becomes a reality
Nintendo has been milking the switch so hard. Launch games are still 80$! Now they have the gall to demand an extra 30$ for some emulated titles? And not even GameCube titles!
Whelp, time to do the morally correct thing in all scenarios and emulate.
People REALLY need to vote with their wallets on this one. I was so excited for N64 games as it was my first console and I still have my original system I got on my 6th birthday, but this makes me want to go and buy an everdrive 64. I never did before because I thought they were too expensive but now I think it might be worth it.
Plz do Ive been loving mine
Never had one, never will but I endorse this message.
yer cause that always works hahahaha just like pokemon sword and shield people will sit here and bitch and wine but end of the day will still buy it even if they say they wont 100% they will.
@@fargonthebrave I honestly think thats different. Pokemon always sells. But old N64 games? For 30 extra dollars? Its not a must have for people like online play, I think this, out of anything nintendo makes, could successfully be boycotted
@@fargonthebrave I mean the major difference from sword/shield and this expansion pack is that most of the people who get pokemon games are children while this expansion pass is geared towards more dedicated people so people protesting about the price will probably be more effective
Not only did this completely kill my hype for the expansion pack, it also greatly devalued the base service for me as well to the point where I straight-up cancelled my subscription this morning. Now that they're locking additional systems behind a *massive* price hike, I seriously doubt they're going to add anything worthwhile to the base NSO subscription from this point onward. I'm down for a Game Pass-style approach to Virtual Console on paper, but the pricing has to be right for me to even consider it. New worthwhile content has been so sparse I haven't truly felt like I've been getting my money's worth for quite a while now, and now they have the audacity to ask for over _double_ what I've already been paying??? lol no, im just gonna dust off my Wii U instead
The Wii U is such a great console. A positive that can come from its failure is its ability to be compared to the awful corporate decisions related to the Switch over the past few years.
Dude for real, like they can barely add 2 NES and SNES games every few months. I remember thinking the library would grow to be so big in a few years but it's barely changed, and now this. Lol
Off topic, but based off of your name, are you making a fighting game?
Since Metroid Dread came out the Virtual Console got a spike in sales. I hope Nintendo can take the hint.
Heck! I even went back to it and noticed a TON of hard to get games that are expensive on the resale market nowadays.
@@archibaldc.1833 Nope, it's something I came up with over a decade ago and it just kinda stuck.
I really hope, though I don't see it happening, that Nintendo drops the price on this thing through the floor or makes it a one time payment to upgrade. All this expansion does is add more games to the library (poorly emulated I might add), and some random DLC based on a 3DS animal crossing expansion that was actually not that popular if I remember correctly. I would have been fine with like a 10 dollar price hike for this since it's annual, maybe a 12 dollar price hike, but this is just objectively too expensive for what you get. Remember they haven't even improved the service for those who pay more, the same NSO issues continue to exist no matter how much money you give them
This is why I'm glad I still have my Wii U. I bought all the virtual console games I wanted, and they're mine forever.
eThe fact they waited to announce the price during Animal crossing shows they knew it onwas overpriced. Yeah I get they didn't want to reveal the DLC, but honestly that can be argued. The fact the DLC requphires an active Online means that the value over time doesn't equate. On top of how most the features require a smart phone in order to use, so I'm already paying for additional features I'm not using. Honestly if they bumped the price as they introduced new features fine, but they just didn't want to grandfather in a price for early adopters apparently.
The ACNH dlc can be purchased separately for only $25
@@-FutureTaken- which makes this thing even more baffling.
*cough* 4 bucks a month *cough*
I don't know why they want the Switch to integrate with mobile phones anyway. GF already made the Switch version of Home worse than the mobile version when it was released and that was BEFORE GO support!
@@WhopsInc. Oh boy yet another 4$/month sub. Put it into the pile over there. No coffee today
I wish nintendo kept the virtual console section on the eshop.
That's not a long-term money-making-machine for nintendo, f**k'em👍
@@profezzorBALTAZAR You Are Paying More With Virtual Console Than This!
@@KenanVonKaiser you pay once to own Virtual Console games but pay continually to not own games on NSO.
It’s especially a shit deal if you only care about a small number of games that you want to own for keeps.
@@ThomastheDankEngine8900 Nope Its A Amazing Deals All That Games That Will Add To A Grand For Only 50 And Can Cancel Anytime Is A Steal Stop Being Greedy!
@@KenanVonKaiser stop being a shill.
An even better deal is emulating for free, and not paying to rent some roms.
No one should pay for this. Nintendo needs a slap in the face to get the point across
Agreed
Something about marching to a chant of "Backlash! Backlash!" to any controversy is hilarious to me