CHOOSING CANADA & USA'S OLYMPIC ROSTERS
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- čas přidán 8. 11. 2021
- With the 2022 Winter Olympics steadily approaching, Luca, Jesse, Corwin and DZ discuss who they think should make Team Canada and Team USA.
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Z: "It's not like they were wrong about the Kopitar thing"
Corwin: "They were wrong"
Kopitar: Top 10 in the NHL in points and goals.... While playing with Dustin Brown.....
You mean 7 time 20+ goal scorer Dustin Brown? On pace to have been 9 plus if the last two seasons weren't both shortened Dustin Brown? Why do people still talk about Brown like it's back in 2014-16 where he had those couple of rough seasons. Guys a proven goal scorer, who's also a pretty good physical presence and puck retrieval guy.
@@exturkconnerI'm a Kings fan. His comeback has been great. He'd be one of the best 3rd liners in the game, but if you honestly believe he's best suited to be a first line player you're nuts.
@@anthonymoring7061 if you think a consistent 20 goal scorer is a third line player I think you are pretty unrealistic. And I imagine that there's a reason why Kopitar and Brown have continually been paired together no matter how many other talented wingers have gone through LA. Reality is not everyone can be effective with everyone else. Brown isn't an elite offensive player but that doesn't mean he doesn't bring exactly what Kopitar needs in his role.
@@exturkconner He's a 20 goal scorer WITH Kopitar. Look at the rest of the top 10 scorers and tell me who has a linemate worse than Dustin Brown. I'm telling you I'm a huge Dustin Brown fan, but he's no Rantanen, or Pastarnak, or Kucherov, or Kane, or Marner, or Stone, or Tarasenko..... I'm just saying Kopitar is scoring at a pace where he should have an elite winger, and he has Dustin Brown.
What are u smoking that he is top 10 in points?? What ?
It’s disrespectful the lack of recognition Boeser gets. As an oilers fan I watched him play the oilers a lot last season and he is an elite goal scorer. He could definitely contribute offensively to that usa team
Agreed
As a Canucks fan he’s been lacklustre this year
@@seanslater1147 6 points in 9 games in a not so hot Vancuver Canucks team is not bad
Agreed, also the fact that 2/3 guys had Campbell over Demko...
@@paologrisanti4627 point production hasn’t been terrible but his overall game eye test wise isn’t good
Patrice Bergeron is the best face-off man in the NHL currently. Face-offs importance are often overlooked until you lose one that costs you a game.
Bergeron is the best face-off man in history. Over 3k faceoffs and has 58%+. Like thats is over 2% over anyone else and with over 1k more faceoffs then any of the others.
The thing is the Bergeron, Marchand, Crosby line has such natural chemistry that it’s worth it. Saw that in the World Cup tourney and it was so dominant.
I agree, they were dynamite. Especially Marchand who’s a Canadian hero at the time and I wish those fricking Marchand haters would just put their aside and cheer for him when he plays for Canada. I hated Carey Price, but when plays for Canada, I put my hatred aside and rooted for him. Why? That’s proper and a Canadian thing to do.
If they do take a role player over guys like stamkos/schieffelle/Tavares, it’s going to be Hyman. Chemistry with mcdavid/marner, solid on the PK, elite forechecker.
The new Chris knunitz
boy everyone laughed last season when Hyman was getting some Team Canada buzz. Now that he's off the leafs, everyone seems to lovie him...
@@jharj4 leafs fans and media do that to themselves by hyping up and overrating their players too much.
You can find actual tsn videos on CZcams titled "who's better Matthews or McDavid" as if Matthews is even anywhere near McDavid. So yeah everything toronto fans say about their players the rest of the hockey world tends to roll their eyes at
@@scottiepaterson192 they get hyped up a lot bc we have the biggest fanbase but most of the time we aren’t overrating them at all we just have way more ppl talking about our players bc of how many eyes we always have on the leafs
@@scottiepaterson192 not close to msdavid but probably still #2 in nhl or 3 behind mackinnon and the best goal scorer/shot in the nhl.
Jesse had the best Canada roster besides Bergeron PLD
NEVER EVER take role players over the highest skilled players available. The 2006 team showed it. Picks like Foligno, Mangiapane, etc blow my mind with how bad of a pick they are.
Do you expect these guys to really know much about what makes a good hockey team? It's merely comedy.
Brenden Morrow and Chris Kunitz disagrees with you. You can bring one gritty forward.... but remember, JUST ONE.
2006 team took a criminal on the team in Bertuzzi. He belonged in prison but got rich privilege.
Mangiapane is showing to be a skilled player and hard working checker. He is also a guy who has played for Canada at the world championships which HC takes seriously.
But I do agree with you in that foligno and mangiapane should not make the team with other better players ahead of them.
This is based purely on personal bias
I can’t believe that Corwin was the only one who took Demko especially after the great start he’s had.
This is some anti-Canucksism. Also choked that Horvat didn't make it as a 4th line or 13th forward on anyone's roster
lol
@@tg4414 lmao stop
@@tg4414 I’m a Canucks fan but Horvat isn’t good enough for Canada if he was American he could maybe make USA
There's a few tsn analysts that have Horvat on their mock picks
Alex Debrincat hasn’t been bad this season he’s been one of the Blackhawks best offensive players this season also dropping him from team USA SMH
He was the best player.
Do Sweden and Finland-rosters next episode!
Yes please
Yes please!
yeah!
Yeah do it!
And Russia
Scheifele, IMO, as a top 10 C in the league is a must. You could argue Bo Horvat should get a spot too. There’s too many elite Canadian players to waste a roster spot on role players. Foligno shouldn’t even be a thought
I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. I mean you have elite role players. Like the idea of not bringing Bergeron seems crazy to me. Best faceoff guy in the game. One of the best PK centers in the game. Known chemistry with Crosby, and Marchand. That's an elite roleplayer.
@@exturkconner Bergeron might be the best Canadian 2-way-forward and the best Canadian faceoff guy, but Barkov is already better in both aspects.
@@killerbilly95 I mean considering Barkov has never beaten Bergeron at faceoff winning percentage I'd say clearly not. And Bergeron is still better defensively. Barkov has more high end production sure. Bergeron's never going to be a 100 point guy. Barkov might be. But if there's a playoff game where you are protecting a lead and you have a draw in your own end with a minute left the other teams pulled the goalie and you are trying to protect a lead to win the cup I can tell you which of the two guys I'd rather have on the ice. I think that says everything it needs too.
@@exturkconner Who won the Selke?
@@killerbilly95 The most times ever? Bergeron and Bob Gainey are tied at 4.
Debrincat is still on pace for 44 goals. He's making the team
Yea, I think we all think he should make it, I guess we more meant we could see Team USA cutting him if they really want to focus playing low-event hockey and playing well defensively, which I don't think are his strengths.
Brock Nelson on pace for 57 goals, not even mentioned.
Mangiapane on pace for 60 something goals. And yet I'm hoping he's not selected in case he gets injured, haha.
I wouldn't be surprised if Brock Nelson made USA's roster. Could be a great 4th line C, especially if Eichel can't play. Agree though, it's probably their best Olympic roster... definitely their deepest
USA has not won a gold medal without a player from Warroad, he has to be there.
The Bergeron Crosby Marchand line will be the best line of the olympics again. Those three just have unmatched chemistry
And the b’s were rumored to get crosby last year. Imagine the offense
Not a single one of them picked Darcy Kuemper???? He hasn't had the best start but he's been very good the last few years on an awful team and he's been doing better recently now that the avalanche are getting healthy. Shocked we're putting Tristan Jarry's name into the discussion and Fleury who has had a terrible start to the year above him.
He’d be my 3rd with Flower and Binnington
Big fat agree
i know right, how can you have flower over Kuemper. sorry not sorry but i wouldnt have fluery on a beer league team this year
Fleury is rough so far but I refuse to believe he just fell off a cliff…that team in front of him is roughhhhh
Cause he’s a flash in the pan.
The Minnesota boys Nelson and Lee deserve some thought for the USA roster. Nelson has 7g 2a in 10 games while being a stud defensively.
Gotta be on crack to break up marchand-crosby-Bergeron especially while bergys on pace for like 35-40 goals
Worth noting since Jesse mentioned "big ice" and since I've seen a lot of other people bring it up in roster talks as well--the IIHF confirmed the Olympics will (thankfully, imo) be on NHL-sized ice around the start of the year.
Who cares if Bergeron is 36 ? The chemistry he has with Marchand and Crosby trumps that x 1000 lmao
He deserves a spot more than the rat does.
He's also still really good, and got better with age, he had his best seasons in his 30s. An argument can be made he's just as good now as he was in 2014.
Bo Horvat could be an amazing add. Imagine O'Reilly and Horvat shutting other teams down.
Horvat aint making it.
Our shut down lines is going to be Marchand, Bergeron, Stone and
Schieffle, Coutourier, OReilly
Horvat doesn't even play a shutdown role for the Canucks
Isn’t he a goal scorer not a checker
@@alelectric2767 he’s kinda both, but I think his defensive game is slightly overrated
It should be : O’Reilly - Couturier - Stone
No way Demko is left off the US roster.
He should be the starter. He is unreal, just needs a better defence in front of him and he’s a Vezina winner
@@justkrillin3873 most definitely not the starter
No doubt. I thought he was European. LOL!!
@@AntVandy I think so. Don’t bet on Hellebuck he has concentration issues. Meaning he lets in soft ones every other game.
@@AntVandy demko is the best goalie in hockey rn
where's the full vid! been loving this Podcast setup! it's perfect for you guys!
Thanks! Appreciate it!
No full vid, as it would be tough to edit that in this style in full, but we do have a full audio version linked in the description!
This is my first time watching a hockey video. Im excited to learn
John Tavares modeling for the Olympic apparel being like 👀
also would have liked to see DZ's picks
lol I just thought it was too many lists for people to sit through. But can do it for the rest of the teams 👍🏽
@@danielzakrzewski.bardown Bro we can never get enough of you guys. The videos always feel too short. Keep up the good work! Team Finland taking gold btw.
yup; me too
WIll you be doing Sweden, Russia and Finland as well?
They briefly covered them in the full podcast. I’d like to see it but they said they’d mainly cater to the Canadian and American audiences
All 3 would be absolutely ridiculous. Sweden's defence stands out
@@IHateMyAccountName Finnish forwards, Swedish defence and Russian wingers and goalies.
Crosby C, McDavid A - Let's all be happy we're seeing NHLers in the Olympics again. Before I played in the OHL my dream was wearing the team Canada sweater.
That's awesome that you played in the OHL, what team and when?
its nice seeing Jack Campbell in consideration. He faced some really hard years
had to pause and give some love to the "WINNIPEG JETS HOMER CAM", had me cracking up with the zoom in.
Guys you should get the quizzes going again! Do a winter classic quiz!
Low key these teams surprisingly logical and great, one or two things I wouldn’t do but these are all great, love the inclusion of some underrated players on Canada like Pelech weegar couturier and Batherson
Please do another countries too! Good stuff.
This didn’t age well
These podcasts are so good plz make like 100
Andrew mangepane making corwins list warmed my heart ❤️
Could you do Finland and Sweden's rosters? :)
“Can I talk you into a few Sabres” lol 😂
Those are some deep, deep rosters from both countries. It's going to be a fun and epic Olympics next year.
Love the Suzuki mention, don't think he makes the team this year but yea
This could be because I'm a die hard canucks fan but to not have bo horvat in team canada or at least the extras is a little tough and to not have demko as a starter or backup right now the way he's been playing is also tough but the rest are pretty good
I hope that Demko, Boeser, Hughes and Horvat can make the national teams
First line of okposo, mittelstadt and Tage Thompson
Could see Getzlaf going been sublime this season
I know he's hurt right now, but how is TJ Oshie not on anyone's list for team USA? Or, at least not brought up as part of the conversation? Like, sure, there's the injury, but you included Eichel, who seems far less likely to be healthy in time.
Yea that didnt make sense to me either
Jack Eichel's surgery is scheduled for Nov. 12. With recovery time estimated to be 3 months minimum, that puts his start time past the start of the Olympics (plus, if I'm Vegas, no way do I want him to go the Olympics and frankly, that is fair). So what American fills his place at center? Vinny Trochek? Brock Nelson? Neither guy was mentioned on the lists but you need centers. Also, I want TJ Oshie on my team. He is a physical guy who can score, pass and play good D. Excellent bumper player on the PP and can play the PK. He is a presence on the ice. When you are matching up against Canada in particular, you are going to need his grit. Lastly, Batherson for Canada is not a bad choice. That guy seems to control play all by himself sometimes. He is impressive to me.
Z's "ooh" at 3:35 killed me
5:24 bergy just had a 4 goal game 😂
Man looking back on this, I would like to see a redo of this and see how the teams change.
everyone sleeping on jared spurgeon as a potential defenceman for canada, i think he makes it as one of the extras over one of the islanders guys
He is very good! Definitely considered him, I just ended up going more with pairing current teammates to potentially give them an edge in terms of familiarity/chemistry with each other on the blue line.
Idk though because when Pulock and Pelech are together, they are fricken unstoppable.
@@ryancurley2351 you make a really good point there, pelech-pulock together is an unbelievable shutdown pair. idk it’s so close, canada has such a deep defensive pool that it’s so hard to narrow down to just 8.
@@corwinmccallum1924 no yeah i do think they’ll definitely do some team stacking on their pairs for sure, just to maximize chemistry. i have spurgeon making it as like the 7th or 8th guy, i think he’s looked really good in an elevated role this season with the suter buyout from the offseason, but like you all said in the video, there’s so many great players available so it’s super tough to narrow it down
Bergeron ages like fine wine, his line with Marchand and Crosby was crazy at the 2016 WCH, and he is used to win when stakes are high (WJHC tournament MVP while playing for a stacked team in 2005, two Olympic gold medals, World Cup, Stanley Cup, World Championships)... This snub understandably raises some eyebrows
Mangiapane and Batherson aren't as "bad" as they seem, I wouldn't complain if any of these two makes the team
It is nice to see people giving Batherson the recognition he deserves. He never gets it cause he plays for an underperforming small market team.
Batherson has to be one of my favourite young players besides Debrincat
Barzal is amazing, think if he’s on the list he’s higher up the list!!
Barzal and Pelech should be on the starting roster
Agreed barzal should be playing in the top 9 imo. Very underrated player cause he plays with the islanders
Bruh I gotta say, Jesse comes out with some great takes
Gotta have Bergeron imo. You still want your great guy for defensive zone starts
The guy can score too 4 goals in one game and just scored his 5th last game
corwin and jesse mentioning hart was great 😎😎
Love to see support for COOTS!
Maybe I'm a homer but I would have Jared Spurgeon on the roster. But there are so many great Canadian defenseman.
Could you guys do this with the other teams too?
Pietrangelo was already revealed as 1 of 3 players on Canada's roster. The other 2 are McDavid and Crosby.
Would love to see your takes on the women's side (or maybe Marissa, Jordan, Julia and Raegan)
Huberdeau-McDavid-MacKinnon
Marchand-Bergeron-Crosby
Marner-Scheifele-Barzal
Couturier-O'reilly-Stone
Point-Stamkos
Theodore-Pietrangelo
Hamilton-Makar
giordano-Doughty
Ekblad-Nurse
Price (if he cannot then blackwood)
binnington
Fleury
Huberdeau-Mcdavid-mackinnon
Marchand-Crosby-marner
Tavares-Point-stamkos
Scheieflele-Bergeron-barzal
Makar-Ekblad
Chabot-Pietrangelo
Theodore Hamilton
Price
Binnington
Hart
I think Troy Terry's been too good to leave off. Plus, he at least played in the last olympics, so he already has some experience on that front.
i like terry but not this olympics, next one though i could see it 100%.
We're probably gonna get the best Canadian team of all time these Olympics. I hope Price gets to start in net for us! He deserves gold after that heartbreaking playoff final.
not even close, look at previous rosters, this is one of the weakest teams I can remember, not gonna say there isnt a good chance of gold, there is, but on paper, its far from one of the best Olympic rosters Canada has put together.
@@brandonmclean58 well that’s your opinion, and I think you share it with a very small minority of people.
Just wait till you have McDavid and Bedard in centre as your one two punch...
@@skateordiedev lol definitely not a minority opinion.. when were you born? Look Canada’s 2002 Olympic Roster.. count the HOFers..
@@skateordiedev you guys just haven’t been around long enough especially compared to what that states are putting up this is one of our weaker teams. Still got a solid chance tho.
There is one other guy I’d consider for team USA not mentioned. This is not a popular take, but Ryan Hartman has been an absolute beast this year. The kid has zero quit in him. Little chance he’s even considered but he’s exactly the character player USA needs.
Great 4th line player. Provides a great hard nose game that can be much appreciated. He will be doing all the dirty work in killing penalties and shutting down the opponents offensive weapons. He could even steal a couple goals for USA.
Agreed! Would love to see him suit up in the red white and blue, but highly doubt it would happen. He doesn’t have the “star” label I think these teams want. Make no mistake though, this kid would make team USA better if on it.
How about Ryan Nugent Hopkins dude is crazy slept on great defensively and can skates and can score
This aged like milk.
Love old milk
OMG. I live in Winnipeg and that's all I hear is how great their players are but nobody else knows who they are.
So some Euro rosters up next?
Dubois over Bergeron is a absolutely horrific take.
Not from Jesse, but in general yes
@@alexleblanc5926 I get that but I agree Bergeron is old as dirt and well get run over on big Ice..
Not really watch a Jets game he’s been on fire lately
@@pickachu69 dude im from peg,...he's not that good yet
@@scottmcfarlane7524 He's up there in age but what about his game suggests that he would "get run over on big ice"
I don't know how much it changes things but the games are being played on NHL sized rinks.
I actually liked the off year of NHL players in the Olympics tbh. Was nice to see some non all star players get a chance to represent the country. The megastars already get so much money and fame, was just nice to see some others get a chance
I agree from that perspective giving other guys a chance to represent Canada at that level who never would have had that opportunity under different circumstances, but it just wasn't as exciting. I didn't watch as much as I have in previous tournaments. You want to see the best players each country has to offer.
As a Pens fan and knowing Sullivan, if was between Debrincat and Kreider. Sullivan will forsure take Kreider based off of the game I think he will have USA play. Excited to see and can't wait for the Olympics. Crazy to think guys like Suter and Parise or Kessell and Oshie aren't locks speaks to the depth and talent pool the US has grown.
Also FoX and Slavin a scary defensive combo
Terry for Team USA, he's playing great this year, and it's definitely showing with how the Ducks are playing.
Imagine if they put McKinnon Crosby McDavid on the same line
Claude Giroux getting snubbed once again. Show the man some respect!
I'm happy Nurse if finally getting some recognition in making the roster.
Also have to note they are not playing on Olympic sized rinks. They will be the standard Nhl sized rinks
Jordan Kyrou deserves a spot on the Olympic roster. The guy has been absolutely nasty this year and he puts up a ton of points.
And to think Troy Terry also played in the 2018 Olympics and hes making a case to be on this one
Luca had Conor Garland and Jack Hughes on his list, mentioned neither, and threw Guentzel in without having him on the list. Luxa only says 13 names, 1 of which isn't even one of his 14 forwards.
Honestly I feel like Canada gonna go the Winger + Center combo route again. Feel like Hyman might actually get in
1 week later, Terry’s gotta be considered and Zegras’s stock is rising. Gibson is a lock for sure, possibly starts, who knows. All I know is, Ducks are looking crazy
I'm fine with leaving off Bergeron. The standard is too high. To leave off Point or Couturier or someone like that...
I'm kind of worried about our squad this year. I like O'Reilly and Tavares but they can't skate. We need a team that's mobile on the big ice.
With how well he’s playing I’m surprised Tyler Bertuzzi is not in consideration for Team Canada. Top 5 in the NHL in points and goals as of now…elite skill too.
Took himself out of consideration by not getting vaccinated, can't go to the olympics without it.
suprised no one has atkinson in the discussion for usa. crazy start rn
Who captains both teams and who gets the A's? That would have been a neat addition to add to this video.
1000% Crosby/McDavid will be C and 1A; I don’t see Team Canada taking the C from Crosby so he’s probably still Captain until the next Olympics when they may symbolically pass the torch to McDavid. The 2A will probably be… Marchand.
Haha j/k on Marchand, probably Petrangelo.
If they go old school oreilley Marchand Crosby and Marchand are there. If they go younger, Dubois, Hyman, Horvat and sheiffle
When will you guys do the NHL 22 review
Id love ur take on Swedens Team!
They’ll be playing on a NHL rink. So not as much space to play on like they would normally would during the olimpics
or:
1st line: Huberdeau-McDavid-Mackinnon
2nd line: Marchand-Crosby-Bergeron
3rd line: Stamkos-Tavares-Marner
4th line: RNH-Point-Barzal
DP1 = Ekblad-Pietrangelo
DP2 = Hamilton-Makar
DP3 = Theodore-Pelech
Extra = Rielly, Byram
Goalies = ???
No O’Reilly?
@@tylersmashey1067 only having 2 goals and 5 assists in 6 games isnt Team Canada worthy.
People in the comments have been pointing out that there are a lot of excellent players who were not included on either team, that could contribute. One thing to remember is that offensive skill is only half of the game so you better not choose someone strictly because they are fast or can put the puck in the net. They have got to play D also. Also, what about the penalty kill? A guy like Bergeron can not only can play the PK, he is used to doing it. That flexibility along with his excellent decision-making and overall skill make him awfully attractive choice. In a short tournament like the Olympics, his age means nothing. I am not a Bruins fan. I just admire what Bergeron brings to the game.
Not having a line of Marchand-Crosby-Bergeron is a crime against Team Canada.
The staged talk show gasps and jeering is far too perfect for these videos. Absolute beauty
We need a video for Russia and Sweden too
And Finland
That moment when Zach Parise will be in the USA Roster haha
Kinda surprised that neither Brock Nelson or Anders Lee is on any of your USA rosters. I am an isles fan but I'm trying to be unbiased here, Brock Nelson has 7 goals in 11 games played so far and Anders Lee is sick net front presence that could really be utilized.
6:50 it sounds like someone has a vacuum on in the background