How To Resurface Rotary Engine Housings - Its Like a Cylinder Hone... But Better!

Sdílet
Vložit
  • čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
  • In the rotary engine world, there is no Over boring, or Honing a rotor housing like you can a piston cylinder. Until now, Resurfacing/cleaning up the surface of the housing has made matching used housings so much easier.
    Join us on Patreon!
    / radpotential

Komentáře • 101

  • @zackarchambeau9533
    @zackarchambeau9533 Před 2 lety +36

    You and Rob Dahm are honestly the gods of Rotary

  • @rotoloco
    @rotoloco Před 2 lety +31

    Great video but please share info on grit of sand paper and how many different grits to final polish. Thanks

  • @rotaryperfection
    @rotaryperfection Před 2 lety +10

    It will actually run longer than a little while. 😉 As long as the gouges are BELOW the surface and on the exhaust side, you won't have a problem with the apex seal catching anything. Over time, those grooves will fill with carbon deposits and level back out. Back in 2005, I rebuilt my 91 vert and put in brand new RA seals. The damaged rotor housings had longer gashes than what you demonstrated in this video. I put over 55k on that rebuild and that engine had great compression and got 26mph hwy. It only failed because of those trashy tephlon encapsulated coolant seals I was experimenting with at the time.

  • @benbradshaw29
    @benbradshaw29 Před 2 lety +12

    Can't wait to watch this! I didn't know you could resurface your own housings!

    • @funone8716
      @funone8716 Před 2 lety +7

      You can't. But you can watch someone fuck them up with this goofy approach.

    • @Born_Stellar
      @Born_Stellar Před 2 lety +1

      @@funone8716 yeah I thought there was a coating on the inner surfaces? one you can't just 'fix'? lol

    • @jo-qp7mz
      @jo-qp7mz Před 3 měsíci

      ​@funone8716 rob dahm does this to his 700 hp tenth ae rx7 if it's good enough for him it's good enough for anyone 😉 oh and the chrome plating is 0.03 thick you can see how thick it is when looking at the edge of the housing!

  • @vampireduck42
    @vampireduck42 Před 2 lety +4

    Love the videos man. Educational and at the same time entertaining. Planning to get an S5 FC turbo, still looking for one at the right price and your videos are really a big help. Hoping I could bravely take apart the engine enough to recondition it. Thanks!

  • @mitraramsaroop6275
    @mitraramsaroop6275 Před 2 lety +3

    Very informative and good idea bro keep up the good work

  • @josega6338
    @josega6338 Před 11 měsíci +3

    Nikasil, as in Mercedes, NSU, Citroën RCEs, is better under any circumstance than the Hard Chrome some Wankel engines used, as OMC. Suzuki RE-5 had the plating patented by Alfred P Grazen in Canada.

  • @juanc8085
    @juanc8085 Před 2 lety +2

    I used the same idea but I put transmission oil a little bit to save the chrome and May sure used a gauge to check cut straight o used a apex seal 🇵🇷✌️👍

  • @joshuaanthony8416
    @joshuaanthony8416 Před 8 měsíci

    Upon disassembly of my NA 13B built by Kevin Landers in 2016, my housings are in about the same condition as these with roughly 1.5mm of edge wear on the compression strokes. I’m contemplating this method to potentially save them before buying a new set.

  • @daviddetweiler7658
    @daviddetweiler7658 Před rokem

    Thats a great way to resurface housing. I did it the manual way with some 220grit wetsandpaper and a dowel pin. after a few hours you can get those results. Yours is way better though!

  • @IStratz
    @IStratz Před 2 lety +8

    Theres a guy named Kyle Mohan, he races a 20B RX8 in formula drift and talks about something called WPC treatment for housings. It reduces friction and some other things. im not sure if it replaces the entire factory coating, or goes ontop but that could be something you could look into. He did mention that people do it with even brand new housings, so could be interesting.

    • @RADPotential
      @RADPotential  Před 2 lety +3

      Yea man!! I have seen that video. I'd be interested in trying that over top of surfacing them!! Super cool!

    • @1OMEGA111
      @1OMEGA111 Před 2 lety +5

      WPC has been around for a while, Mazdatrix offers the service, its essentially shot-peening that dimples the surface to create pockets for oil to sit. It doesn't replace the factory coating. (oem housing is a steel (or iron?) sleeve in an aluminum casting, with a chrome alloy electroplated onto the iron.
      WPC would probably be a great addition to a housing surface, though the lining has a level of oil retention already. What i'm the most interested in personally is goopy's chrome-replating service.

    • @IStratz
      @IStratz Před 2 lety +1

      @@1OMEGA111 Ah okay that makes sense. I didn't do any research on it, but I just heard about it. Sounds interesting.

  • @anthonylschiltz876
    @anthonylschiltz876 Před rokem +1

    There is a process where metal is "sprayed " on to build up the thickness and fill in gouges. this could possibly be used to build back the chrome on the rotor housing.

  • @Nitrocity7151
    @Nitrocity7151 Před 2 lety

    I've been looking forward to this video! Keep up the good work and information

  • @johnnydennett4248
    @johnnydennett4248 Před rokem +2

    Given the lack of precision, this is a bodge at best.

  • @Dodo-rb1kb
    @Dodo-rb1kb Před rokem +2

    Amazing video! What is the measure of the paper sand?

  • @adriandorifito2036
    @adriandorifito2036 Před 2 lety +5

    What grit of sandpaper are you using?

  • @y5_mkuu_mzuri604
    @y5_mkuu_mzuri604 Před 2 lety +3

    ive literally been doing this for years, great video tho

  • @MrBambalan
    @MrBambalan Před 2 lety +1

    Mann you have let the cat out of the bag! lol. Some people charge an arm and a leg for this service.

  • @59661000
    @59661000 Před 2 lety +4

    nice work can you tell me what grid sandpaper you are using?

  • @anthonylschiltz876
    @anthonylschiltz876 Před rokem +2

    Try using coarse to fine levels of abrasives say 800 to 4000 grit. You may have better results.

  • @elgringojosh825
    @elgringojosh825 Před rokem +3

    What grades of sand papar do you use?

  • @therealchayd
    @therealchayd Před 2 lety +1

    I think there are some places that can redo the nitride surface treatment, it involves putting it in a furnace with ammonia gas if i remember correctly.

    • @Nilezy
      @Nilezy Před rokem +4

      Housings are Chrome plated. Nitriding is done to the side plates, not the Chrome plating (altough you can nitride chromium)

  • @Soccer22224
    @Soccer22224 Před 2 lety

    I think I might give this a shot

  • @andrewcate8454
    @andrewcate8454 Před 2 lety +3

    what grit sandpaper did you use

  • @anthonylschiltz876
    @anthonylschiltz876 Před rokem

    Or a flapper wheel where the abrasive flaps are staggered and overlap each other. Again in coarse to fine levels of abrasives.

  • @skaterboi8922
    @skaterboi8922 Před 11 měsíci

    What about adding metal to the holes somehow then smoothing or chrome plating

  • @lilgeico7113
    @lilgeico7113 Před 2 lety

    Can you cover how to modify the center irons for a bridgeport?

  • @austinriggs5502
    @austinriggs5502 Před 2 lety +4

    What grit sandpaper?

    • @rmreid83
      @rmreid83 Před 2 lety

      I'd really like to know that also. I would guess at the most 320 grit????

    • @charlesgilbert8609
      @charlesgilbert8609 Před 2 lety +3

      120, I know it sounds really abrasive but you see the results. it works great.

  • @aaronsutherland2898
    @aaronsutherland2898 Před 2 lety

    Great video have been looking for a couple of weeks on CZcams for a video of someone doing this would be interested to see if you were to do it by Hand (no access to a machine like that) how you would do it, I’m working on some 12a housings at the moment that could do with a light clean up

  • @samto3297
    @samto3297 Před 2 lety +1

    sick

  • @xuliandegal7985
    @xuliandegal7985 Před 2 lety

    Hi, canyou upload a video explaning how it run the RX8 oil metering pump? thanks

  • @e.v.a.l.s
    @e.v.a.l.s Před 2 lety +1

    on the deep gouged ones, i have a question. what if you sand past the gouges, and sand to a good smooth surface. then build thickness back up with nickel plating?

    • @e.v.a.l.s
      @e.v.a.l.s Před 2 lety +1

      so i posted this comment before watching the whole video. i'm pretty sure nickel plating is done to different classes of thicknesses and hardnesses. i don't know what would happen if you send a nickel plated housing without chrome plating on top of the nickel. but nickel can get chrome plated. problem is back in the 80s everyone chrome plated, and dumped the waste water down the toilet. the epa didn't think that was very funny. anyone who chrome plates nowadays probably has their own water treatment facility. so it's going to be pricey.
      i used to know a guy who did nickel plating. this guy only dealt with parts machinists messed up and undersized. he'd charge them 2/3 what it cost to make the part, to plate it to proper thickness.
      also i don't know if you're cool with it, but there's a place in maryland that does nickel plating. not sure if you're cool with name dropping, let me know.

  • @stevecarlisle3323
    @stevecarlisle3323 Před 11 měsíci +1

    You can not refinish a housing that has lost plating, by removing more plating, however you can make it look good.

    • @jo-qp7mz
      @jo-qp7mz Před 3 měsíci

      The plating is way thicker than what he is sanding.. he is just re surfacing it oh and rob dahm does the same thing to his housing just with a flap wheel and a drill press.😮😊

  • @JamesMullarneyIsAFraud
    @JamesMullarneyIsAFraud Před 5 měsíci

    whats that sander called? Need to get me one of them

  • @TactileLoki
    @TactileLoki Před 2 lety

    Can you do a vid of a carburetor install for an fb? I’m looking an fb and it’s missing a carb so I don’t know how everything goes if it’s not there to begin with. I’m having the guy check the apex seals before I make the deal but still needs a carb.

  • @overbuiltautomotive1299

    i looked for a yt channel with guy on itbut did not see anything pop in a link to his channel if their is one

  • @flash_game9809
    @flash_game9809 Před rokem

    but is it possible to do this, because you have erased the chrome coating

  • @juanc8085
    @juanc8085 Před 2 lety

    Something you don’t got the money to buy new housing and repair lot housing and they work fine 🇵🇷✌️👍

  • @seveng86sg
    @seveng86sg Před 9 měsíci

    Where's the link to your friends repu restore?

  • @KenBober
    @KenBober Před 2 lety +2

    I was going to rebuild my engine but decided to bring to a rotary specialist shop. I just don't have the time to do it and on top of that with my Parkinson's I can't maneuver my fingers to well.

    • @RADPotential
      @RADPotential  Před 2 lety +1

      Sometimes its just easier to do it that way for sure!

    • @KenBober
      @KenBober Před 2 lety +1

      @@RADPotential yeah, getting rotors machined too for weight reduction. Plus a street port.

  • @NickDiNunzio
    @NickDiNunzio Před 2 lety +1

    you should pin a comment with the sand paper grit and drum speeds. i’m wondering about how much material that takes off, and how much pressure is applied

  • @gonzomaniarotary280
    @gonzomaniarotary280 Před rokem

    Have you a link frome this honemaschine? Best regards remo

  • @NovoGold
    @NovoGold Před rokem

    Cannot compensate for more material being taken out of one area though... by hand the pressure and stall time could create an issue.

    • @michaeldriver127
      @michaeldriver127 Před 8 měsíci

      Any honest shop would probably recommend new housing. Shop rates by hand would be more than a new one.
      I feel like it's nice for a cheap personal project to around with. I wouldn't want my name attached to it for a paying customer though!

  • @dantheman1998
    @dantheman1998 Před rokem +1

    Hay why not measure the thickness, hone and see how much you remove.

  • @rofenognico1049
    @rofenognico1049 Před 2 lety

    This has been my dream job since i was a little kid. Hope to one day work and build engines like this. Right now i go to a mechanic school in Norway and after the summer i am going to have 2 years of kinda school but i am out in a actual mechincs shop. After those 2 years i am probebly going to look for a job like this. Dose enybody have eny tips for me in thees coments?

    • @RADPotential
      @RADPotential  Před 2 lety +1

      Thats awesome man!! I would find a shop that does the work, and try to become a fly on the wall and learn what you can. Most people will be more than willing to teach somebody who shows a genuine interest and passion for their work!

  • @andrewnavagonzalez3724

    What is the name of the machine used?

  • @Infrared_Fred
    @Infrared_Fred Před 2 lety

    What was the rpm of the motor/drum?

  • @TreeE30VeRT
    @TreeE30VeRT Před 9 měsíci

    whats bros yt channel i wanna see his rotary builds too

  • @zoomzoom93rx7
    @zoomzoom93rx7 Před 2 lety +1

    What is that tool name? I definitely need to get that and resurfaced quite a few Housings I have around here

    • @rmreid83
      @rmreid83 Před 2 lety +1

      It's an oscillating spindle sander. Used mainly for woodworking but looks like it does a good job on the housings.

    • @zoomzoom93rx7
      @zoomzoom93rx7 Před 2 lety

      @@rmreid83 Appreciate that bro. Just found one on Amazon 😁

    • @stevecarlisle3323
      @stevecarlisle3323 Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@rmreid83"looks like" is the words today. You can't fix damaged chrome by sanding it away !

    • @michaeldriver127
      @michaeldriver127 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@stevecarlisle3323hopefully no one is taking away the idea that this makes it the same as new... It'll run though I'm sure.

    • @jo-qp7mz
      @jo-qp7mz Před 3 měsíci

      ​@@stevecarlisle3323the chrome is over 0.03 thick he's only sanding a little off rob dahm does the same thing.... and he's running 700 hp thru his... check out the video of the 10th ae he flap wheel sands his housings down before rebuild... same exact process... ya hater

  • @devultra1125
    @devultra1125 Před rokem

    Is there any possibility to do the same for End and middle plates?

    • @jacksonnichols8484
      @jacksonnichols8484 Před rokem

      Yes. I used 180 grit on an orbital sander, then Valve Grinding Compound. Per a forum. It worked well and knocked down the shine. The irons don't last as long...etc etc

  • @juanramos89
    @juanramos89 Před 2 lety

    Would it be smart to use paint or sharpie to see low spots. It doesnt look like he going slow either to avoid hot spots. Does he change grit going lower and lower almost to a polish?

    • @RADPotential
      @RADPotential  Před 2 lety +1

      It really shouldn't have any low spots. You should be able to feel them with your finger nail or a pick. Just keeping an eye on the color change from shiny to dull should be enough

    • @juanramos89
      @juanramos89 Před 2 lety +1

      @@RADPotential cool. We totally had one of those machines but didnt know what it was for so we dropped it off at goodwill. Regrets

  • @ianb6052
    @ianb6052 Před 2 lety

    RANDOM QUESTION…… Do you rev yer rx8 before turning it off OR do it jus let it go clunk!?

    • @RADPotential
      @RADPotential  Před 2 lety +1

      Hit or miss. Sometimes I do sometimes I don't, If its not warmed up all the way, I for sure do.

  • @ryanjs
    @ryanjs Před rokem

    new to this, I don’t understand why it’s not losing compression as your thinning out the housing, is it not enough to make a difference?

    • @RADPotential
      @RADPotential  Před rokem +1

      Its like running a ball hone on a piston engine. Just enough to take off some of the grooves, and provide a good surface for the new seals to bed into. It does thin out the housing, and I wouldn't expect a refinished used part to perform as well for as long as a brand new part.

    • @servisrx8mazda277
      @servisrx8mazda277 Před rokem

      @@RADPotential I would compare it to a piston engine. There must be a cylinder of exact geometric circle. Here, the geometric inaccuracy doesn't matter so much.

    • @michaeldriver127
      @michaeldriver127 Před 8 měsíci

      Isn't this what the spring is for, behind the apex seal? That micro amount taken off is all it's going to have to expand.
      This seems like a good idea for just having a spare motor to set aside for emergency, or to just beat the hell out of on a track for a day until it's done.

  • @HyperspeedMedia
    @HyperspeedMedia Před 8 měsíci

    7:27 the man used his glove to feel the rotar housing.. LOL

  • @TreeE30VeRT
    @TreeE30VeRT Před 9 měsíci

    anyone know where i can find that tool?

    • @jo-qp7mz
      @jo-qp7mz Před 3 měsíci

      Harbor freight oscillating sander... 99$ your welcome 😊

  • @phantomlimb5649
    @phantomlimb5649 Před 2 lety +2

    I think Goopy can re chrome housings.

    • @speetnut
      @speetnut Před 2 lety +1

      They do not. They resurface them with a similar result.

  • @gadgetdeez7069
    @gadgetdeez7069 Před rokem

    Cool now your apex seals are gonna be rollin on some washboard rotor housings. 😂😂

  • @beachboardfan9544
    @beachboardfan9544 Před 2 lety +1

    Seems like a terrible concept, how do you know you're removing consistent amounts of material on all sides?

    • @RADPotential
      @RADPotential  Před 2 lety

      It doesn't so much matter the depth of removal, apex seals are spring loaded, so they will just slide out to accommodate the thinner area. its more important to not sand through the chrome plating on the surface.

  • @luiscotto6659
    @luiscotto6659 Před 6 měsíci

    Nikasil

  • @Fuzzy-nl5lb
    @Fuzzy-nl5lb Před 2 lety

    Will a rx7 turbo manifold fit an rx8?

    • @RADPotential
      @RADPotential  Před 2 lety

      No, the RX8 engines use a Multi Side Port Exhaust, vs the Peripheral Exhaust of the early 13b's.

    • @algurdian
      @algurdian Před 9 měsíci

      no

  • @llewvirtue861
    @llewvirtue861 Před 2 lety +2

    Too inaccurate and rough

    • @jo-qp7mz
      @jo-qp7mz Před 3 měsíci

      Rob dahm does the same thing with a flap wheel and a drill press... his engine is making Over 700 hp... seems to work great 👍 👌 🙃

  • @Ninesixmike
    @Ninesixmike Před 8 měsíci

    Only in the rotary world is this type of garbage tolerated.

    • @jo-qp7mz
      @jo-qp7mz Před 3 měsíci

      Lol same thing as honing a cylinder wall... he's not sanding past the hardened chrome lining he's just re surfacing the ruff patches and getting rid of the polish from apex seals... if you question it watch rob dahms video of the 700 hp 10th ae rx7 he does the same thing to his housings only with a flap wheel and a drill press... seriously stop being a hatter

    • @Ninesixmike
      @Ninesixmike Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@jo-qp7mz it is? Anyone willing to share the RA, RPK, RV, crosshatch angle, etc that these housings are being “honed” to? Those are standard values that are adhered to when honing cylinders, do you think that’s the case here? Do you think anyone could even share what those values are for a stock housing? I don’t really care what Dahm does, he’s not an authority on anything and frequently gets technical information wrong. It’s a reflection of the poor state of the rotary tuning industry that “professionals” in the field look to him. Demand better.