I have really enjoyed this english training conversation. Thank you Both so much!!! Think about Plastics they come right out of the Fossil Fuel Industry!``
If your interest is spiked at all, it's worth listening to David's series on reading Marx - unpacking it, understanding it etc. (On the Democracy At Work channel, iirc) Marx is such an important author, we should all understand at least a little.
What? LMAO! Billionaires are absolutely necessary for Socialism. Without a wealthy elites, nobody would fund the social welfare programs. Even Charles Fourier, the father of Socialism, envisioned a wealthy elite called "the phalanx" that were to guide and provide for the rest of society, or "the phalansteres" . For you to say Socialism with billionaires is not socialism, is to say the guy who came up with socialism didn't know what socialism was lmao what mental gymnastics you socialists leap through.
Certainly an ideological failing. It is true millions have been lifted out of poverty; yet, taking just one facet - state digital Money Creation, it should not be necessary to rely on Capitalism to do this. One of the more interesting areas - has China's so called hybrid system presented a useful buffer to Imperialist aggression > as it has underpinned enormous wealth across the West; IF the West has run against China it would be possible/likely this wealth creating machine would slow, or break entirely. Of course now, we're seeing much more aggressive rhetoric, and increasing discussion of the likelihood of the USA & its vassals possibly moving to hard power to take on China; but personally, I don't think this can be likely. - the more nuanced commentary vis. Ukraine point to the hopelessness for Ukraine, and the inability of the West to do anything really useful in terms of propping up its proxy. This pessimism is even seen among Right-wing observers now - who can't fathom the stupidity of DC/London et al. BUT I think this is really quite clear - It doesn't matter if the equipment and assets sent are destroyed in short order, or wholly inconsequential. This is an example of the Arms Sector steering Policy for its own ends - profit. And of course, with the ample realisation of the uselessness of Western military where-with-all, it can only justify huge uplifts in State spending > right at the moment when Citizenry are being obliged to accept a Dickensian level immiseration. China's policy movement in famously glacial. It will be interesting to see how things develop over time. But it is clear, they're considered, patient, and think in the very long term > very much unlike the West.
p.s. One area where it is very clear the Chinese model is extremely well thought out - the requirement that foreign entities seeking to operate in China are tied to a % turned over to State ownership after 'x' period (I can't remember how long it is, just now); which means the Chinese state will benefit hugely from foreign/Capitalist investment in the long frame - including a stake in all manner of equipment, machinery, tech.... This aspect, I can certainly forgive Ideological betrayal - the Karma within it, we might even call it beautiful!
@@kwakkers68 I agree, that's a great way to put it. People ask the question sometimes if China will be any better of a leader than America, but the beauty in it is that China has succeeded long after Europe had spread their ideology (good and bad) to every corner of the Earth. China had no special advantage, no countries to colonize or oppress, they just had an opportunity to recognize and oppose an evil system and they took it. The West stays obsessed with old racist ideas (unsurprising considering these states were both raised out of genocidal settler colonialism and committed it only a few generations ago) sending military aid to Nazis in the modern day to kill and wage war against Russians. Very strange world we live in.
Great interview. Really looking forward to reading the Companion!
I have really enjoyed this english training conversation. Thank you Both so much!!! Think about Plastics they come right out of the Fossil Fuel Industry!``
Way over my head. However, Earth wrapped in plastic saran wrap, this i can envision.
If your interest is spiked at all, it's worth listening to David's series on reading Marx - unpacking it,
understanding it etc. (On the Democracy At Work channel, iirc)
Marx is such an important author, we should all understand at least a little.
Check out David's updates on Democracy at Work. They're wonderfully insightful.
@@kwakkers68 absolutely agreed!
@@noneofyourbusinesslove1445 Solidarity!
Just can't get with Harvey's praise for China. Socialism with billionaires is no longer socialism.
What? LMAO! Billionaires are absolutely necessary for Socialism. Without a wealthy elites, nobody would fund the social welfare programs. Even Charles Fourier, the father of Socialism, envisioned a wealthy elite called "the phalanx" that were to guide and provide for the rest of society, or "the phalansteres" .
For you to say Socialism with billionaires is not socialism, is to say the guy who came up with socialism didn't know what socialism was lmao what mental gymnastics you socialists leap through.
He notes here in this interview that China is a capitalist country (or has sufficient capitalist characteristics to be lumped in with the US).
Certainly an ideological failing. It is true millions have been lifted out of poverty;
yet, taking just one facet - state digital Money Creation, it should not be necessary to rely on
Capitalism to do this.
One of the more interesting areas - has China's so called hybrid system presented a useful buffer to
Imperialist aggression > as it has underpinned enormous wealth across the West; IF the West has
run against China it would be possible/likely this wealth creating machine would slow, or break entirely.
Of course now, we're seeing much more aggressive rhetoric, and increasing discussion of the
likelihood of the USA & its vassals possibly moving to hard power to take on China;
but personally, I don't think this can be likely.
- the more nuanced commentary vis. Ukraine point to the hopelessness for Ukraine, and the
inability of the West to do anything really useful in terms of propping up its proxy.
This pessimism is even seen among Right-wing observers now - who can't fathom the stupidity of DC/London et al.
BUT I think this is really quite clear -
It doesn't matter if the equipment and assets sent are destroyed in short order, or wholly
inconsequential. This is an example of the Arms Sector steering Policy for its own ends - profit.
And of course, with the ample realisation of the uselessness of Western military where-with-all,
it can only justify huge uplifts in State spending > right at the moment when Citizenry are
being obliged to accept a Dickensian level immiseration.
China's policy movement in famously glacial.
It will be interesting to see how things develop over time. But it is clear, they're considered, patient,
and think in the very long term > very much unlike the West.
p.s. One area where it is very clear the Chinese model is extremely well thought out -
the requirement that foreign entities seeking to operate in China are tied to a
% turned over to State ownership after 'x' period (I can't remember how long it is, just now);
which means the Chinese state will benefit hugely from foreign/Capitalist investment
in the long frame - including a stake in all manner of equipment, machinery, tech....
This aspect, I can certainly forgive Ideological betrayal - the Karma within it, we might even
call it beautiful!
@@kwakkers68 I agree, that's a great way to put it. People ask the question sometimes if China will be any better of a leader than America, but the beauty in it is that China has succeeded long after Europe had spread their ideology (good and bad) to every corner of the Earth. China had no special advantage, no countries to colonize or oppress, they just had an opportunity to recognize and oppose an evil system and they took it. The West stays obsessed with old racist ideas (unsurprising considering these states were both raised out of genocidal settler colonialism and committed it only a few generations ago) sending military aid to Nazis in the modern day to kill and wage war against Russians.
Very strange world we live in.