Why Taking Out My 2020 Supra's FAKE VENTS Is Pointless - Project TA90
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Jackie venting about his vents
It’s all brocked off tho
look at the FT-1 and you'll see where the vents came from
Great e Vent.
I always hated those fake vents on the new supra. But when I heard they can be made "functional" then I was like ok I guess they're not too bad. But you crushed all that for in me this one video. Thank you!
It is actually functional😂😂😂go see a car for yourself
Thank goodness this video exists.
Perfect explanation my dude! You'd have to do a lot of body hacking to get it all working right, and at that point it's a dedicated track car.
Shoulda just called them style vents from the get go. Wonder if there is a way to remove the plastic and close it up and paint over.
Replacing the hood vents without cutting it up still helps a little bit with cooling. Those holes you see all over under there do connect to that vent area.
Well said, great job, thanks for explaining.
Because they forced the Toyota FT-1 design onto the BMW Z4 body platform (smaller)
Yes Great Video!! Thanks for venting out that.
Thank you for posting this.
The "fender vent" actually isn't a fender vent at all. The vent works in a similar way to how the catfish camaro hood intake works. There are internal ducts built into the hood that will suck hot air out of the engine bay and out the sides if the ducts are swapped for real ones. Not designed as fender vents. All these vents are functional but just not in the way that you'd expect all of them to be.
I have seen the video from the chief engineer of GR Supra(in Japanese so I do not know if you can find it on CZcams) he said all those front vent are for cooling the engine, but with those vent the engine will be too cold so they just fake it
totally agree. I bought aftermarket hood and front open vents just for looks and to troll people who say the Supra vents are fake. I just bomb around town so I don't really care about adding a little drag. maybe down the road if I decide to mod it and hit the track... I'll plug them back up.
why did toyota/bmw decide to put "vents" there at all then... they couldve made the air flow more smoothly over the body if it did not have the vents, im so confused... reminds me of what honda did with the FK8 Civic Type R, then the new generation civic came out and they ditched the stupid fake vents and it looks so much better now, i hope toyota will also make a facelift for the supra or something that doesnt have silly fake vents.
0:45 Are the holes connected to the vent though? Or is it closed?
What about taking as many fake vents out and smooth the area a bit like the mk4
I'm still tempted to do it, but not as much any more 😮💨
I agree. Doing so would be a "butcher job" that is totally not worth it. Also, front openings, if not designed correctly, could create lift that would not be beneficial at high speeds. I'm leaving the fake vents in my 2024 45th alone.
This one video input more knowledge than some video that i watched
Could easily use some tubing and tube the hot air out of the engine through the fender vents.
But it's still getting restricted because of the small opening on the clam shell vent.
Thanks for the break down.
I have cut 5 hoods this past two weeks. I am addicted to cutting vents.
Why do car manufacturers even make fake vents when they can just do a real vent
This guy reminds me of Thao from Gran Torino😂hey Toad!
This is why Toyota should have never created these plastic molds with the honeycomb vent style.
Factory Toyota rice. I always knew they liked rice since I saw the Tacoma trucks with fake vents from decades ago. It used to make me cringe as a kid. I'm in my 30s now.
Painting the vents could give a slick look
True stuff
Well they did good with my GR Yaris. But I guess it's all Toyota
Jackie talking about his bmw 😆
Tada San never said taking out the fake vents in the front was easy, not only that he never suggested any vent on the rear could be converted. In the interviews he suggests that it is up to the aftermarket to create something if they wanted it to function. Do you really think you know more then the chief engineer?, The factory car does not require all the vents to function, removing them on a factory car will decrease performance. Those fake vents are clearly there for styling reasons, he just made it possible for consumers to remove them if they wanted and that should be praised. From watching this video there has been no false claims made by Tada San, he made it perfectly clear the car is balanced from factory, it is up to the aftermarket to customize for their preference and hence those vents are fake because the car functions perfectly without it. The only argument here is if it was a good styling decision to put fake vents on a car, but if it is done to help the aftermarket then do we not want that in the car industry?
You need to watch the interview with Tada San again, its clear from this video that you have no clue what Tada San's goal with the car is.
The consumer should be happy Tada San thought about the consumer in regards to modifying, he knows it will reduce performance but he did so anyway. E.g the chassis reinforcement he removed in the engine bay that is present on the z4. The car was too stiff hence they were removed but he gave the option to still put them on if the consumer wanted them.
It's a shame how everyone is talking smack about Tada San, people are putting words in his mouths and reading journalists who do not correctly cover what he said in detail and this is how rumors spread.
This video wasn’t directed at Tada San. I have nothing but respect for him. I’m pointing this one at all the blind social media fan boys who think kept asking “hey when are you gonna open those vents”
Lol stop believing tada San, there is no such thing as a too stiff chassis
So basically just replace the bodywork with ones that delete the fake vents and make them solid
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Smart man.
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My respect for Toyota: 📉📉📉
2021#FREESUPRAVENT
Ok but hear me out, aerodynamic is not a rookie knowledge, if you take a look on race cars, it has a bodywork or vents that looks not useful, but it is working... Well, I'm not saying that you're wrong but let's see waiting for someone to make those fake vents useful
Jackieeeeeee
A very disappointing statement Toyota made back then with this claim. But at least the manual is coming in 2022
Engineering, people.
Why complaining the vents while you have reliable engine and 255 horses to ride under the hood.
Bmw ? Reliable ?😂😂😂😂
Toyota really be lying through they teeth about the supra
They shouldve never made this and kept us dreaming for one we were better off
honestly all valid points. this is good for all the stupid "car guys" who think just cutting these vents will help...
I didnt know elementary school kids could buy and drive a car.
But can you turn real vents into fake vents?
Theres a rick and morty joke in that somewhere.
real fake vents eh?
Hes gonna link you back to this video
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh
You have to watch the video in reverse.
Lmao, Toyota totally lied about this.
They lied about a lot of stuff in hopes that people will just accept it. They also claimed that the Supra had a lower center of gravity than the 86 but when it was tested, they found out Toyota lied!!
@@mrjjthor where's the test
Where
@@mrjjthor I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught their lies too. Tatsuya Tada chief engineer on the GR supra lied to everyone during his interview with car bloggers saying that 1. "we at Toyota designed the indentations on the intake box to fit/ clear for strut braces and we even pre drilled the areas to mount strut braces on both sides for the tuners" that's a lie, the z4 also has the exact same intake box and indentations on both sides for the strut braces because the BMW Intake box was designed that way by BMW and strut brace points are already drilled in the manufacturering process for the z4 chassis because the z4 comes with those strut braces from factory......That was a BMW design not a Toyota design... 🤦♂️
2. Tatsuya also lied and said "we also designed the gr supra hood to have 2 latch points because that was an iconic part of the A80 supra so we had to put 2 hood latch points on the new supra as well" lie, all BMWs even the z4 has 2 hood latch points. Toyota didn't add a second hood latch lol, BMW already had 2 latch points designed into their hood for the z4 chassis lol.
@@slothystyle More lies to hype up their collaboration and the car. So far it looks like there are plenty of Supras still for sale and the numbers are climbing. Honestly I dont think this car is going to sell anywhere close to what low numbers Toyota was least hoping for.
Toyota chief engineer thought we were gonna buy into the fake vent BS. Well not us enthusiasts.
Toyota fucked up the supra big time. They think that we car enthusiasts are retarded and think those fake vents are functional.
@@bicyclenerd.9377 no, the new supra engine is the real deal and holds alot of boost better than the BMW version.
@@potatochobit you gonna buy one? Seems like always most fans of the car are the people that never buy them.
Lots of engines hold boost good. The money this car costs is not worth it. Dealers are selling for way to high.
@@potatochobit Toyota and BMW worked together to make the Supra and Z4. The only difference I heard about between the cars is the chassis and suspension design in terms of some tweaks. The parts both cars use are the same, just adjusted differently. Where did you get the info that Toyota actually made changes to the engine that is only on their version of the car? They made changes on both theirs and BMW's.
@@TheDealer6373 I enjoy driving and always buy manual cars so i won't be getting one anytime soon. There are so many amazing cars available right now that the supra won't be for most people. Yes, they are overpriced and are killing their own hype and they will regret it soon as that new cheaper corvette is widely available.
Wow, this was quite eye opening. I remember Tetsuya Tada talking about how good the cooling works on the Supra, and if there was a need for additional cooling (after tuning the car) you could just turn those unused vents into a funtioning ones. But I had no idea how complicated that would be.
But then again, it´ll show you how much freedom the designers got when designing the body (for better ot worse). Which is rather nice, when enginners and designers are constantly fighting each other in order to bring ther vision to life. The recent Honda Civic Type R is another good example in that case. Anyway, great video !
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Makes me really question the videos I saw of the Toyota Supra designers and engineers saying all the vents were put in place to be upgraded. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Toyota also claimed the the Supra has a lower center of gravity than the 86 which was proven wrong.
@@mrjjthor they also said that with the vents it was cooling the car down too much which is why they blocked them off. Probably the most ridiculous justification I've ever heard in my life.
Tada san knows it's much much easier to design fake vents than to make them functional. That's why he left them for the aftermarket, lol
@@rigatoni5905 Your engine needs to be hot enough to properly burn the fuel and therefore make power, I put insulation around my block to keep it warm to help burn gas better, the cold air intakes are a bullshit scam, I put the intake next to the block so the engine already preheats the air going inside the combustion chamber
Tater Ater this is false. You need your engine warm. Not the air going in. There’s a reason the factory/stock comes with an airbox. The air going in needs to be as cool as possible for the best power. Idk where you heard you need warm air. But cold air is more denser than warm air so you’ll have more power, when your sucking in hot air your losing power and you may cause knock or pre detonation as the air coming in is already too hot the the pressure from the compression stroke is setting it off like a diesel car.
Toyota Supra 2020's fake vent myth busted. Thanks, Jackie!
I’ve been saying this to all the people who complain about “fake vents” on the Civic Type R as well. Just cutting open the vents not only doesn’t increase performance, but can also introduce turbulent air that can REDUCE performance. Proper vents require ducting and designing around how the air will actually flow and affect the car’s dynamics. Just a bunch of keyboard warriors who don’t understand physics and like to complain about things they don’t own.
that new typeR! vent is actually functional the front vent is for after market oil cooler and the back bumper vent! you need to cut of those honeycomb! to reduce air drag..
For Civic Type R, I'll accept it, it's still a Civic at the end of the day. But, on the Supra? Fk no, it's literally an offense.
But but, the Toyota engineer said...
Jackie: Sit down and let me explain Toyota's lies...
im distracted the whole video by the cute Pikachu in the background :D
Thanks for the video Jackie! It really solved my curiosity about those vents.
Glad to see you learning about aero! All pretty accurate on everything.
Was hoping you’d correct me in the comments haha. Thanks for the validation!
@@JackieDing86 Yeah it was all pretty right on. Only thing I would add was when you were talking about the radiators and how NASCAR tapes them up, you say it reduces drag. It also increases Df. Closing up your rad opening (or any front end openings) is pretty much the only win-win in aero where you can decrease drag while increasing downforce.
Thank you for making this video, I've been telling people about the challenges of making the vents functional, now I have a video I can link them haha. Also if you look at the current Supra race car they don't use those factory fake vent locations.
Still an awesome car.
Agree. Just make real vents and make it even more awesome
@@JackieDing86 Exactly
I’ve seen 3 versions of the GT4 race car. One has functional vents.
@@tomjones5860 The current GT500 car doesn't use any of the vent/scoops that are on the stock car, not even most of the locations. The scoops next to the headlights are flush, the fender vents are in the optimal location where Jackie pointed out in his video. The door scoop thing has been glassed in as well as the rear vents next to the tail lights. So on the race car none of the fake vents/scoops are being utilized.
@@sigmaprojects Kinda obvious since the GT500 specification doesn't require that the car keeps its stock dimensions or shape, nor does it have very restrictive rules on aero, unlike GT4 specification. What I'm really curious about is how Toyota has utilized the vents on the GT4 car (still doubt that door vent is being used). We'll never know unless someone provides an in depth look into a GT4 Supra though.
The Supra is a bomb ass z4 Toyota coachworks coupe!
With unusable fake vents lol.
You answered my questions! Thanks for the video bro!!!
Thank you so much! This really explained things to us, especially us without the Gr supra
I haven't paid any attention to the supra and I am glad this video explains the disinterest most people have had
Your Supra videos are so useful and informative, thank you!
Suggestion for future video: Will 4 trackday wheels fit in the trunk (like the 86)? Maybe too late to ask, now that you’ve gutted your rear section 🤣
Simple answer: NO. The trunk is pathetically small. It won’t even fit a single tire.
@@JackieDing86 Haha! No wonder I haven't been able to find a video showing the ability to store wheel in the trunk! Thanks for the info!!
Toyota BS'd its way through the fake vents reasoning. For tuners decision my arse.
Great video! Love the way you presented it! When you talked about venting the front wheel well it reminds me of what they did on the NASCAR versions of the 1969 Daytona Chargers/1970 Plymouth Superbirds as the race versions had actual openings under the front fender scoops.
Actually, I found this video because I was looking for a car that has more fake vents than my Civic Type R! Hahaha! At least some of my vents/scoop are functional!!! 🤣🤣🤣
Why don't they make vent replacements that smooth out the body instead of making indentations. I mean if you wanted the option.
That would be a much better option
Look at the trd kit, it does that with the door vent
but buttttt all reviewers said that you can use these vents!!!!!!1
You can, just take your trusty saw and go to work
Haha time for scotty to roast all the reviewer
Cool. Great explanation of the New Supra's vents.
I watched another vid that suggested you could make a cold air intake path from cutting the right front bumper vent
Trd made a door fender that doesn't look like a vent and it actually makes the vehicle more stable in higher speeds. It also looks nice and I'd imagine if you ask the right guys you can do the same treatment with the "hood vent" and front bumper "side vents"
I'm gunna call my lawyer - false advertisement Toyota!
Like to see the GT4 spec, I'm pretty sure GT4 class uses more functional vents for certain track.
Hello Jackie! Nice video again!
I want to ask you..." What do you think about 2020 GR Supra GT4 ? "
Looks awesome, probably will go awesome, would love to race one
Jackie "one more comment about vents I will go Jackie Chan on you."
The door vent looks like it has a plastic piece that come off behind it on both the door itself and on the doorjamb, but I get your point about the benefits probably not being worth the effort of creating an optimized duct from scratch. The easiest way I could even think of trying to make a real duct for each vent would be 3d scanning and printing it.
Tell em Jackie. The new myth buster. 😃
Thank you...... this video is gold!
thanks for the explanation, would it be wort it if you replaced the doors and hood with something without fake vents in order to reduce drag ?
TRD makes a cover piece for the fake vent so that’s an option (probably stupid expensive). The one on the hood *shouldnt* create any notable extra drag, but I’m no aerodynamicist. We are planning on replacing the clamshell with something lighter and with built-in, functioning vents
@@JackieDing86 thanks for the quick answer, I'm really excited to see what's next coming for that car
So it's RICE out of the box? 🤔🤣
Kraut
RICE comes standard. You'd have to pay to unrice it. Lol
@@mrjjthor How can you unrice this ?
@@DrSid42 can't unrice fake vents unless you're willing to do some body work and hide them. But really, it's more for asthetics than being functional.
Hey jackie why dont you remove the vents on your supra?
Hi from Japan. One guy in Japan wrote a blog about you and this video. So you may get a lot of people from Japan to watch this video.
Just blog that explains what the video is about.
Oh wow ha. One ranting boy is making round on the Internet lol
Those front corner vents could and should be functional to reduce drag around the front wheels. That type of vent is called an "air curtain", and many manufactures have them even on their mainstream models. In fact, take a look at the new electric Porsche Taycan Turbo, it has an identically designed vent, that is actually functional in that manner.
Clip at 2:20 made me spit out my water. Lol. Love the racer's perspective on the Supra!!
i had to rewind that part myself lol
they are just decorative pieces, not vents. hope you get a C8 when they are available
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Do you have a wind buffer for your mic?
Jackie, you venting about fake vents 🤯🤯
What about the hot air in the engine bay being pushed through the radiator and the front? Surely it would at least reduce lift adding downforce? But I hear what you’re saying though. You know what might be a lot of fun for your viewers...taking it to a wind tunnel and see if they can see what changes happen? Assuming you’re buying an aftermarket functional hood ready to replace it before testing it. Another CZcamsr did this for “Leroy”. It was pretty fun!
Look at the side vents. Their placement is actually sealed off from the engine bay, so the hot air can’t get to that vent anyway. The only way to vent hot air from engine is with opening up new vents, which is what we are planning on anyway!
Jackie Ding Yeah, I saw the closed vents. I was just thinking as an experiment, it would be fun to actually try what your fans were saying, and see the aero computers report on what changes happens, or lack of. Again, this would only make sense if you were to buy an after market hood and use that as a throw away or back up. It would be a cool diff video your views may like...plus It would shut them up (lol) Just thinking out-loud through the keyboard 🤓😆
Jackie Ding This was a cool vid of someone doing that...
czcams.com/video/1X35-bGWpEY/video.html
Thanks for the explaination dude you absolutely right
This video is exactly why I don't believe anything Toyota said about their involvement with this car. It's mostly BMW and fake crap.
Ditto
nice work Jackie
Fake Vents are tacky af. That's a reason! Real talk, I understand what you're saying and agree that there is no functional purpose for it. My almost unconditional rule (with automobiles; not always with fashion but that's a different thing) is function over form; however, I want my cars to look amazing. This means that they should perform even better than their appearances might suggest. I personally would remove it and leave the indent. I feel like that is better than fake vents. I believe that integrity is very important in motorsport, where a fraction of a second decides who wins and who doesn't. This includes image. Generally, it's not as easy to appeciate an ugly racecar as much as an aestheticly-pleasing racecar (the EB110 doesn't count because it's an artistic statement). Imma stop writing an essay here and go back to my actual essay for school but I hope you see what I mean.
Anyway, cool channel! I just subbed.
There's probably ugly holes and shapes hidden under the vents that look worse than the plastic on it.
Well...the holes in the hood will connect to the vents when theyre open and it'll cycle actually a lot more air
this video is gold
Tada-san/Toyota: but these vents can later be cut to be usable...
Jackie: hold my beer...
Tada-san/Toyota: oh shit!
Great video!
So, you’re not doing anything about the fake vents?
Jk, the door vent seems like it would produce drag, thoughts on that? Doesn’t seem like it routes anywhere
We’ll see about covering it up. TRD Japan piece is expensive and I doubt the drag difference will be noticable
Finally seen the new Supra at the Auto show today. The fake vent on the doors is cheesey AF.