How Strong Is Frost In Dragon Ball Super?
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- In this video Mike and Josh from DBN explain how strong they Frost, the universe 6 Frieza race fighter, really is.
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Frost is as strong as the plot needs him to be.
You sir are 100% correct
This also goes to every single character at any single point of the db story. The main reason why a thing such as "power scaling" is utterly stupid.
frost is not even close to friezas golden form.
I agree
ditto
+Amin Baizza id disagree as stated in this video goku and vageta trained for a long time in the hyperbolic time chamber before they trained there they trained with weis all after the golden freiza arc goku went head to head with freizas final form like it was nothing while goku was base form now against frost after all the training goku struggles with finale form frost while goku is base form tells me frost final form is stronger then freizas final form at least 2x stronger then freizas final form but no where near golden freizas form which i wouldn't be surprised if frost is hiding 1 more form similar to freizas golden form now that his poison is in the open he might reveal his true final form one thing we all no for sure tho is none of the power lvls in super make sense they are all off
+Dcdatruth85 ??? he's not even close to krillin lol
+qwerty284651 stan
Frost beating Golden Frieza??? are u guys ON something today? Frost was one shot by SSJ Vegita while GF was even able to surpass SSJGSSJ Goku until he ran out of stamina ,pretty much like in the Namek saga ,l like the videos but please analize the series propperly and wisely
We didn't say he could beat Golden Freeza, we said it was a possibility, but not the probable conclusion.
Yah they said maybe but the power levels depends on the time, setting, and plot. Easily put, he's only as strong as the plot needs him to be
Goku was also holding back in this fight and easily could of beat Frost but as Goku does he dicked around. Frost doesnt come close to the level of Frieza in Super especially Golden Frieza.
@@LSMMIKE ik it's been 2 years but even base frieza in rof is stronger than frost. We could debate if u wish
@@LSMMIKE it's not even a fucking possibility
Frost really got screwed as a character. He could've been a dark hero, being forced to do some evil acts for the greater good
***** I will say that him being a more subtle Frieza is a good idea. "The best villain is the one that makes you think he's the hero." -Michael Iv, 2016
Michael Iv he's like that in the manga, but in the anime he's the evilest villain
+Oscar Bejarano That would've been so much better
@@michaeliv284 I know this comments old, but that would have been a lot easier to justify in Frost case, if he was just as strong, and on part with Frieza. This just made him look cowardly, and lame.
Frost is honestly one of my favorite characters introduced in Super, at least design-wise, and it's a shame he hasn't gotten more attention. He's a really underrated character and I'd like to see him explored. Also I'd like to see him as DLC in Dragon Ball FighterZ but that might just be wishful thinking.
"Just because I look this way, does not make me frieza" i caught that lowkey Dave Chappelle reference 😏
+Irving Sanchez ;)
+Laughingstock Media do you think frosts poison would effect majin buu if he was still in the tournament
+Jordan Dunning I dont think so, but that's just me.
Jordan Dunning I doubt it, but I could only see him winning if he absorbed Frost or turned him into candy, and Idk if he'd really get the chance.
Thanks for this video Mike, it annoyed me how people were comparing Frost to Cell and Namek Freeza
Well put together video
Bring on the HEAT TV the power levels make no sense but ye
Thank you!
YES! Finally!
Nice video
I thought goku was holding back in base and transformed to make realize he's outclassed
Goku was suppressing himself in the tournament to see what his opponent had
he is somewhat stronger then Final Form Frieza in the ressurection of F arc since he forced Goku into SSJ and Frieza didnt.
Ye but now if Goku fought frieza he would have to be super saiyan
Frost final form>> frieza final form
Golden frieza>>>>>>frost final form
Nope
@@yolandafarrell7461 at that time yes
@@byrdwatch9865 nope
@@yolandafarrell7461 base goku in rof beat final form frieza without trying, characters even stated frieza couldn’t land a hit on goku. Fast forward next arc goku vs frost, frost in third form was pressing base goku and when frost went “final” form he forced goku to go super saiyan. And keep in mind between rof and universe 6 tourny goku and vegeta trained for like 3 years in the ROST so yea frost final form >> frieza final form (rof)
@@yolandafarrell7461 cope with it bro
Excellent video Mike. Super's comedy and plot holes make power scaling near impossible.
who?
Dragonball's Best LSM's own Mike
+Lenox Watterson who is LSM Mike?
Dragonball's Best Isnt this video from Laughing Stock Media? The guy who runs the channel is named Mike, or am I wrong?
+Lenox Watterson ooooh you mean Mike from Laughingstock Media, you HAVE to say the whole thing EVERY TIME! Also, the guy who runs this channel is Harold, not Mike from Laughingstock Media.
... Is everyone forgetting Goku beat the crap out of Frost until he had to use poison to win? That's how he beat both Piccolo and Goku. It wasn't until Vegeta that he was finally beat in pure strength. Goku in SS1 was beating Frost like it was nothing, knocking him back over and over. Heck, Frost tried to go for a punch with his "full power", only to have Goku simply catch it as if it was a baseball. Frost is definitely weaker than them, the difference however, was that he was more clever and cunning than Frieza, from his war starting-and-ending to fooling his audience to using secret weapons to paralyze his opponents. HOWEVER, when Hit went to recruit him in episode 91, he mentions Frost had actually gotten better from being on the run for so long, and if getting Hit to "get serious" for a moment counted for anything, I think Frost 3th form can really go up against Frieza's final form (not GF). Those are my thoughts.
Xenoverse 2 should have the little needle thing as a move for Frieza Race
damn Laughingstock Media
who?
Goku had no God ki when fighting Frost. Frieza (ROF) >>>>> Frost.
I feel like when people (saiyans in particular)are near death and get a senzu Bean the reaction you expect and the reaction you get are so different. It's like my heart getting ripped out and I get a senzu and I say it's just a scratch. I just feel like the reactions could be more dramatic.Keep I'm mind I'm only talking about only after the senzu bean. Hopefully I am not the only one.
it kinda sucks that nothing in db is ever explained, so we're left to speculate, but we wouldn't have videos like these so I'm glad.
Frost should be considerably stronger than Frieza because unlike Frieza, Frost hasn't died and went to hell. He has been alive and surely must've been getting stronger over time whether through battles, training, or age. Frieza trained for 6 months and went from SSj level to Base God level. I'm sure that at any point in Frost's life he trained, he's bound to be quite strong.
I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING this show would work better as a neflix original series.
This show doesn't have enough quality for that
Super saiyan god super saiyan Mystic super saiyan 4
it would totally work
ok around how strong was 4th form frieza like above buuhan or below which villain does that form of frieza compare too?
ok i'll explain:when goku fight beerus he drops from SSG to SS1 goku himself state that he doesn't feel any weaker at all so SS1 goku=SSG goku
since goku is normal SS he lost god ki and everyone now can sense him,later goku charges a kamehameha and beerus says that he won't nullify it easily,while he could do that to SSG,so at that point SS1>SSG.instead of nullifying it he combines both of the blast in a supernova wich base goku destroy with a single punch without even using his full power base goku>>>>>>SSG as he one-shotted the attack wich was made of the combined energies of SSG and suppressed beerus without using max.
later goku trains with whis and grows stronger,when he fight frieza krilin and gohan sense him(wich debunks the fact that goku use god ki in base)and they say that he is a lot stronger than SSG in fact he was so fast that only jaco could see them,while in BOG most of the z fighters were able to see goku vs beerus.
now goku was stronger than 4th form frieza but frieza kept up with him so yes he is stronger than SSG thus stronger than literally everyone from DBZ.later goku trains for 3 years and grows a lot stronger he then fights frost.frost in only 3rd form dominates base goku,even flying unharmed in his blast and forces goku to use SS1,frost final form is massively stronger than base goku but still no match for SS1.but from what he showed previously frost is a lot stronger than frieza
goku wasn't using god ki against frost because he was saving energy. he was using god ki against Frieza because it was an all out battle. Frieza>Frost
Exactly.. people seem to forget that when Goku was fighting Frieza in ROF he was in his "saiyan beyond god" form.. so his base form's power varies
I'm going to say not very. he couldn't keep up with goku in ss1 and he had to cheat...that automatically makes him weak.
+clericofchaos1 Goku was way stronger than he was against Frieza.
Michael Iv and? goku has like 6 other transformations. ss1 is literally the next weakest of the group right above his base form.if any of these guys wanted to do something impressive they'd force into ss3 or ss blue.
+clericofchaos1 Freeza in his Final Form couldn't keep up with Goku in his base. Frost and Goku's base (After 3 years of training) were equally matched. He isn't weak.
bluevoid he is, because he cheated and again goku's base is nothing. the real fighting doesn't even start until at least ss2.
clericofchaos1 Frost didn't cheat until his final form.
and in the cell saga after that got out of the hyperbolic time chamber that all had mastered ssj and it showed that could stay ssj for a year if they wanted to also that used no ki to stay ssj
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I think Frost maybe near Freiza's 4th form power or maybe even higher but without a 5th (golden) form. Exhausted from Goku's pummeling, Piccolo managed to survive well enough.
Laughingstock Media dude I'm not sure but since frost true form is the final form the other two were self generated so how much of his power is his choosing. I believe that frost third/second form is about 15 time the first and the final is 15 times the third/second form (or 225 times the first form) so frost is like 15 times base goku.
hey mike, I have a lot of things I agree and disagree with this video, but im putting that all side to tell you something and ask you a question. question, what do you think frost power boost is when he goes from his 3rd to final form. I think it about 1.7 times because that's what I think the difference between freezas 3rd and final form initially is , not when he powered up to his 50 or 100% of course. but it could be the difference between freezas 3rd form and 100%, the different between freezas 3rd from and 70%, the max power before he has to buff up, or something totally random. and I wanted to tell you, its kinda impossibly for SSJGSSJ to be stronger or equal to SSJ3 or even 2, because goku SSJBG was fighting beerus 70%, and at the SSJ3 multiplier he would be way stronger then beerus. thoughts?
I agree. Frost in his final form is somewhere between RoF Final Form Frieza and Golden Frieza. Piccolo is somewhere between Buuhan and Super Saiyan God.
+EdofJville
Buuhan and ssj God is a huge gap.
That's like Raditz and Cell
+Ssj Anarchist I know, it's a huge power gap which is why I said Piccolo now in Super is somewhere within that range. It's hard to narrow that down anymore beyond that because we've only seen Piccolo fight three times in Super, the longest being against Frost in the tournament and all he did there was charge up the Special Beam Cannon to maximum in a failed effort to one-shot him.
Besides that, the only other times we've seen Piccolo in action in Super were his brief assault on Beerus with Tien and 18 and when he fought Frieza's weakling soldiers and then got his arm ripped off by Tagoma.
It's hard to say specifically where Piccolo fits in power-wise now other than he's stronger than Buuhan but definitely weaker than a SSJ God.
Hopefully, we see more of Piccolo in future fights in Super so we can gauge his power more exactly.
Frost is basically Frieza with a *straight* appearance.
I hope we get a silver frost in the next tournament arc! Along with SSJ white Gohan.
You guys forget that Goku and Gohan mastered SSJ-1. Goku just needs a bit of energy to transform, but he doesn't need much to maintain it. I look at it as his base form just to test the waters, while Super Saiyan, is when the fight actually begins. He's now taking it serious, instead of just completely trashing his opponents in no seconds flat and finding out the enemy was just a Yamcha in a Frieza suit.
Frost is hiding a super final form, but he won't show it until he has too
Piccolo at Buuhan level? No.. Thats completely wrong. Piccolo isn't stronger than SS3 Gotenks in this tournament.
+Geoffrey “G-Money” Fields He was beating a character stronger than base Goku, who was in the chamber for 3 years. It only makes sense.
Piccolo is no way near base Goku or Vegeta in Champa arc.. A current SSJ Goku or Vegeta is extremely OP. Thats why Frost struggled with Goku and why Vegeta had Piccolo forfeit and choose to handle Frost and Magetta himself, Piccolo would be annihilated by Opponents like that head to head.
Piccolo trying to KO Frost is one thing..However he isn't strong enough to actually kill Frost IMO..
+Geoffrey “G-Money” Fields
1.You see, I can agree that Frost is Fat Buu level at best, as I don't think Goku's base is as strong as his GT base unless he uses the God ki lol
2. Goku has a base form, and he can control his powerlevel very well, if Goku wanted he could have one shot frost easy.
3.Piccolo is *PROBABLY* perfect Cell level but Frost was *Weakened by Goku* and Frost was also *Not allowed to kill his opponent* thus he wasn't trying to deal with Piccolo, and Frost pooped on piccolo in the manga.
4. I don't think frost can even beat Gotenks SSJ because yes Goku and Vegeta's SSJ forms are OP...but their base forms are one thing but their SSJ is a 50x multiplier...
5. We know Cabba is just as strong as Vegeta but doesn't have the SSJ multipliers.
6. Piccolo buuhan level? HELLLLLL NOOOO!!! I love Piccolo but thats like saying time skip Usopp is White beard level....there is NO WAY he got that strong
7. Frost asked Goku to transform, and we all KNOW Goku likes to showboat.
Good analysis but Frost is far over Fat Buu, consider Frost in Assault form is likely above even Kid buu if he can stand up to a current base Goku. Frost got destroyed by a current SSJ Goku who is basically as strong as a fusion character from Z. Piccolo is probably still slightly under Tagoma power wise, and I still say Gohan is stronger, and obviously still not as strong as ultimate Gohan.
Hey Mike, big fan. What if Elder Kai unlocked Majin Buu's maximum potential?
Would he look a lot like Super Buu/Buuhan(without Gohan's shirt)?
Would you like this character development for Majin Buu?
+Voltage Gaming Honestly I don't know. It'd be interesting to see though.
I think the whole idea would be so cool, seeing as how the kai's feared Buu for so long throughout history. And honestly, they talk big about Frieza's potential, but Buu had the largest base power with no training out of most through this series.
lets assume freeza was able to asopt a blink of that kind of energy songoku uses on him at namek to create the golden freeza, would have frost after the timeskip not have an complete other transformation? (only if he get a new one foir sure )
You know what's funny? I made a character named Frost on Xenoverse back around when it first came out that looked nearly the exact same as the DBS character Frost. Not saying they saw the character, just funny how it happened to line up.
Sorry but there is absolutely no way that Frost is stronger or even to Golden Frieza, not by a long shot.
+FriezaDBZKing69 Yea his power level is equal to namek saga frieza´s 100%. What I dont think they realize is that goku was holding back the whole time.
+William Greene Not even close. Goku's current base form surpassed his SSJ3 prior to the god ki. Frost is leagues above Namek Saga Frieza.
FriezaDBZKing69 Nope. What I believe is that Goku was trying to use as little power as possible so he greatly lowered his powerlevel. Unless you forgot he can do that. He didnt even need to go super saiyan he just did it for the heck of it to get frost to transform
+William Greene Yeah, Base Goku would shit on Namek Saga Frieza and Goku had to use his SSJ form to actually fight Frost. Unless you're suggesting that Goku as a SSJ is still only as strong as he was on Namek, then your entire statement makes zero sense.
Frost shits on Namek Saga Frieza with ease.
FriezaDBZKing69 My statement makes no sense you say. No you just didnt read my statement. I said Goku was supressing his power level not that he is as strong as he was on namek. He was toying with frost and he didnt even have to go super saiyan to beat him. And even after going super sayian he was still holding back a lot. He went super sayian just to show off his transformation and to get frost to transform but he didnt need to go super saiyan to win the fight. Its clear by your statment you competely forgot that they can surpass their power level.
I have a question mike
If gohan continue training and still had his mystic form when Frieza return to earth. Do you think gohan in his mystic form could've taken Frieza in his final form or be stronger than him?
There is evidence to suggest that gohan can't get any stronger than mystic
I don't think Gohan was any where near as strong as he was as a teen. And I feel the Piccolo and Cell power lvl is also a stretch
Might want to make a discussion video. Do Goku ever learn from his mistakes. Goku lost against Frost for the same reason he lost against initially against Golden Form Freiza.
I know he was exhausted from his beatdown vs SSJ Goku but Picollo was at least in the ballpark of Frosts power in his final form. I feel like its a bit of a plothole but I think in the tournament base form isn't the same as saiyan beyond god.
My headcannon says the transformations go Base > SSJ > SSJ2 > SSJ3 > Saiyan beyond god > SSJB
I sorta equate Saiyan beyond god with ultimate Gohan's transformation/power.
he @laughingstock media can gohan beat frost ?? make a video on this
+Granpas view We'll have to see what Gohan can do if they show him again after this arc. I'd give Piccolo the edge with his technique though.
ALRIGHT THANKS MAN
Another thing, Base Vegeta could mess with Gotenks and Tagoma was stated to be = Ultimate Gohan
the reason he didn't go all out was to save up power and because he didn't want to embarrass frost by just taking him out right away because he thought he was a nice guy
Frost final form kinda looks like gaara especially at 8:40
frost in his third form was stronger than goku (saiyan beyond god/base form)...
so goku had to transform to super saiyan to gain the upper hand....and even after frost transformed into his final form, he was still no match for goku...so final form frost is above final form frieza from RoF arc.... As of piccolo, after training with gohan, he probably surpassed majin buu...
but still he was not even close to frost....
and he never took hits from frost which could kill him...he took hits on his leg and abdomen....but that doesn't mean he should have died....
whereas in the case of frieza in RoF arc , he took a very strong ki blast right on his chest.....without even trying to dodge it...thus he got killed....
being so much weaker than frost , doesn't mean he can't block or dodge some of his attacks...
frost could still have easily killed piccolo but if he did he would have gotten himself disqualified from the tournament....which he obviously wouldn't like to happen...
I actually think goku and vegeta have found a new form beyond super saiyan blue and are keeping it secret... they trained for 3 years non stop in the time chamber, there has to be some secret we haven't seen from that.
Unless they practiced fusion as a backup.
that would be cool
awakened power frost goes gold
Picollo wasn't super perfect cell level. The idea is that he reached his limit around when he fused with Kami because he trained for years in the time chamber after 3 years for the androids and didn't get much stronger. This suggests that he'd need a plot device to get to the next level, which is why his battle with frost makes no sense.
I think Frost's final form and Frieza's final form (not Golden) in ROF are around the same level.
There not even frieza says hes just weaker
Final form Frost is stronger then base god Goku at that time. SS Goku is stronger then Frost by a good amount though.
you are totally wrong. frost is no where near as powerful as golden form frieza. If he was stronger piccolo would never have had a chance against him
I still disagree with the buuhan comments, but otherwise I agree...
Piccolo was ravaging form 1 cell. Vegeta said Piccolo probably wouldn't beat Frost, so Frost is at least stronger than form 1 cell. That's the last real benchmark we've seen for Piccolo so anything beyond the level of form 1 cell would be pure speculation.
I think if any thing frost is in between final form frieza and golden frieza.
I don't see how Piccolo could possibly be strong enough to compete with Frost when he couldn't even touch First Form Frieza.
Only explanation I can think of is that Special Beam Cannon has been massively improved to the point that it can harm guys that much stronger than Piccolo, seeing as the attack was designed to beat opponents stronger than Piccolo.
I hate when people say goku and vegeta absorbed God ki, all you have to do is keep your ki in your body, goku probably didn't use his super sayian God form because you have to concentrate
goku has to power pools god ki and non god ki so when u see goku vegeta etc use base form against charecters that are buy level then they are using god ki
Frost at full power is a little weaker than Final form Frieza.
Is this frost freaky alien genotype dude a good alien?
Can u do a video on how strong is cabba because I think he is stronger than ssj3 gotenks because of how he fought base form vegeta they were both equal and he was catching vegeta off guard and ssj3 gotenks couldn't do any damage to vegeta's base form
lol the outro
Hey Mike, here's one for you, if Piccolo and Gohan were training with each other this whole time before the tournament... and Piccolo is obviously this much stronger and we're basically saying he might have been able to defeat Frost... how strong exactly is Gohan now? Because it has seemed in the past that Gohan was always LEAGUES above Piccolo and, granted, he did stop his training, but even with the fight against Golden Frieza he had somewhat shown that he still has all of that power locked away still, so do you actually think that Gohan might be almost as strong as Goku was when he first got the God Transformation? If we're saying that SSG Red is actually weaker than any of the other states that is... (personally I think it's the strongest of the forms because it was just pure God Ki but that's another debate entirely)? I think he might actually be just as strong if not a little weaker than that moment now, but we really have nothing to gauge it on right now since we haven't seen him fight since Golden Frieza.
+TheGreatAngel We don't really know. But it's very possible that he's stronger than he was in the Buu Saga now. Idk if that would make him anywhere near the gods though. Vegetto was stronger than Gohan in the Buu Saga and it's implied that the SSGs are above Vegeta. Goku when he become an SSGSS is said to be stronger than when he was an SSG in Super though. I don't think we can necessarily compare Gohan or Piccolo to the SSG forms atm since we don't really know what their base power is.
+Laughingstock Media Oh I didn't actually realize that they did state that SSGSS is stronger than regular SSG, but that would have been a good theory since the transformation would give them pure God Ki and therefore more power and over time as Whis stated in their training they let their Ki leak out so I'd imagine that Goku would have lost some of that God Ki over time, but that's just my own head canon personally. But I think as far as comparing Gohan/Piccolo it's probably safe to say that their base forms are probably stronger than at least maybe SSJ3 Goku in the Buu saga at this point, but even that's not a big factor anymore since Beerus knocked out SSJ3 Goku in 2 hits. I don't know but I'm a Gohan fanboy too so I'd like to see something happen with him that would put him at least on par with the SSGs in the future.
i obviously agree 4th form frost is above 4th form frieza (rof) but im not sure about his 3rd form. the thing that i think we have to be careful of in this case is claiming vegeta and goku improved drastically in those 3 years of training. yes they would have improved but there is the line vegeta gives before going in that they were nearing their limits.
I wouldn´t be surprised if even first form Frost would be just as strong or stronger than final form Freeza from Rof, since Goku trained for three years. But I still don´t think that Frost is stronger than Golden Freeza even in his final form. Great discussion guys!
No he wouldn’t frieza is way stronger than frost
@@yolandafarrell7461 😂
Where do think (Super) Vegito fits in with all these characters in terms of Power Scaling?
+DancingPotato16
Super Vegito is probably around a SSJ God Blue
You gotta think that he was beat because of the cheating and also goku figures that frost is the same power as frieza because the transformations are all the same so he probably didn't use nearly all of his power in his base or Ssj form. I don't think frost is anywhere near the power of frieza. I may be wrong though... Haven't watched those super episodes since they aired.
Frost was about the same as Final Form Frieza. Resurrection F. Goku only went SSJ for show and played with Frost until he was poisoned. Then Vegeta only went SSJ to humiliate him with one punch and show him how weak he really is.
Frost is weaker.
Frieza never trained, but went through life evil and dicky. He eventually was forced to train to combat Goku.
Frost is loved in his universe, probably never challenged in anything, so probably doesn't train either.
So Frost has not had to push himself, or has a golden form.
Well we'll see that last part..
Personally I am more interested in Hitto then Frost. Probable just bias since never like Frieza, and Frost not being good changes my opinion on him dramatically. An have a theory that both Champa, and Beerus put their strongest fighters last on their line ups thus making Hitto the strongest. The other fighters have no order since Goku, Piccolo, and Vegeta played Jenkin to determine fighting order which is pretty close to random if you ask me.
Frost is probably close to Piccolo's level or a bit more because he was weakened by Goku. Not even close to Frieza. The only reason he won is because no body knew about his poison hands
Hard to tell since goku going SS really confused me, Goku said his SSB form is just his normal SS form but with God ki so if he's going SS now and its the Gold form that means he doesn't have the God ki which will also make his base weaker than what it was in Revival of F.
Yeah I agree
+I'm a life form known as Manuel
Well remember, Goku didn't need to transform he only did it so that Frost could transform as he was hiding his power. Goku also LOVES holding back as he even held back against Kid buu...I mean KID BUU the same guy who could destroy the universe over time! and Goku still held back.
His base form wasn't weaker he just held back
I want to know who's stronger SSGS Goku or SSGS Vegeta. Vegeta was training with Whis for six months before Goku had shown up and was already able to detect God Ki as explained in super. But Goku was already considerably stronger than Vegeta due to becoming a SSJG (if I'm not mistaken) from the first battle of gods movie. I'm aware that goku has caught up to Vegeta's level but at the same time, Vegeta has had to defeat most of the enemies that goku loses to. Vegeta beat frost with one punch, he also beat golden Frieza with less than 10 hits. In my opinion, I believe that Vegeta is stronger. I also believe that if he fought Golden Frieza he would have done a better job than Goku.
Who would win? Demigra or Rhymestyle
+Daylin Dumas Dino's super sandwich attack is hard to top...
lack on consistency i meant*
I don't mean any offense by this; but it seems like you guys are over thinking this a bit. We can just judge how powerful frost was by comparing the fact that him in his 3rd form was more than holding his own against base Goku whereas 4th form Frieza was losing in convincing fashion. If we were to go with the premise that Resurrection F Goku = Tournament Goku; then it's safe to say that 4th form Frost > 4th Frieza. But obviously Tournament Goku is stronger than his F counterpart considering that he's been training with Whis for a while since then and on top of that, he trained with Vegeta in the time chamber. So Frost should -- in theory -- be much, much stronger than Frieza. But I do agree with you guys that Golden Frieza could probably take down Frost. SSB is a huge power boost and yet 4th form Frieza went from being weaker than base Goku to stronger than SSB. So the golden power up is even more of a boost than SSB is. I'm not sure where the need to bring Buu or Gohan into this came from but it's not necessary. Goku at his base form in BOTG was believed to be stronger than SSJ 3 goku in the BUU arch, since after he absorbed the God ki, he was able to do a lot more damage than when he was in ssj3 on Kai's planet. The reality is Frost to Frieza is like Cabba to Vegeta -- Cabba and Vegeta were stated to be equal in their base forms and by the looks of it, in SSJ as well but the fact that Vegeta had that extra transformation in his toolbox gave him the advantage. This same thing applies to Frost... but if they were to just fight all out, Frost wouldn't stand a chance without his poison.
the best way to manage frost level is his fight with picollo he was obviously stronger than him so frost is probably super vegeta cell saga level around there
since he was easily dominated by goku who has mastered ssj and we know that a mastered ssj is stronger than super vegeta form so frost is way stronger than frieza nemek saga but after resurrection F the gap between him and frieza is to great
I put him in-between fourth form frieza and golden from frieza
Didn't Vegeta state in a previous episode that any training they did would only inrease their strength slightly because they were already close to their current potentials? So honestly how much did Goku and Vegeta improve in the Time chamber? Honestly i don't think it was a whole lot, I'd have to go with the Idea that Frost final form was probably above Frieza's but golden form was FAR beyond anything Frost is currently, think of it this way, Goku was man handling Frieza Final form and then Frieza transformed into Golden Form and CREAMED Goku until he began to lose his stamina due to not getting use to the form, For Frieza to go from getting manhandled by Goku in his base to him manhandling SSB Goku is HUGE, Frost is no where NEAR Golden Frieza, in my honest opinion.
in my humble oppinion i dont think frost was stronger than final form frieza in RoF, just because 3rd form frost hit goku and "hurt" him does not imply that he is strong. Another thing is that goku might have gone ssj but i strongly believe he had no need to i think he simply went ssj to show frost that he could not win and should surrender. Imo frieza final form is stronger than frost but not by a lot. (also frost trained for a long time and frieza trained for a few months major difference there)
Not sure how strong frost is. But I am sure that if Frost was in DBZ he would effortlessly murder everyone. I say this because Base Goku in rof arc was stronger than Buuhan and was probably as strong as Vegito at that point and in the champa arc after 3 years of training Gokus base form was loosing to Frost in his 3 form. So I believe that full powered frost is incredibly strong as a Dragon Ball character obviously not as strong as Goku or Vegeta at this point in time because they are too op as of right now
One thing to keep in mind is that people will hold back in dbz. For all we know, Goku in his base was holding back the whole time with Frost. There is also no way Frost is stronger than Golden Frieza. I believe Goku and Vegeta are using super sayan form b/c anything more would have been overkill and they want a good fight. Keep in mind that most people aren't god level. Goku and Vegeta are so far above most of these opponents and don't want to 1 punch ko everybody
Personally if Golden Freeza is a 10 in power, I'd put 4th form Frost at a 6.5. That being said after Golden Freeza fights for about 5 minutes he drops down to a 6 since he can't maintain the form
MazingerDestroXtreme I know, I was saying if Golden Freeza is a 10, then Frost is a 6.5. If i were to tier all of them this is how I would.
Whis/Vados = 15
Beerus/Champa = 10
Golden Freeza = 8.7
SSGSS Goku/Vegeta after training = 8.5
SSGSS Goku/Vegeta Before training = 8
Ssj Goku/Vegeta = 7
Final form Frost = 6
Base Goku/Vegeta =5
Final form Freeza = 4
Curious to what Hit would be
MazingerDestroXtreme Actually the difference in power seemed pretty grand. Remember we are talking about power not skill. Freeza isn't a fighter, So that played into it. Imo If you put Goku and Freeza at equal power and had them fight, Goku would stomp Freeza one sidedly. Another thing to point out was in the movie Freeza did imply he was kind of holding back. However, since Golden Freeza is riddled with weaknesses. He would lose pretty heavy handedly to Goku and Vegeta, even with the 0.2 power difference.
what if gero made another cell. a cell that absorbed ssgss goku, ssgss vegeta, frieza gold, beerus, whis, buu everyone that was in dbz and super from the cell arc. yes including universe 6 arc
Frost is as strong as Freeza was before Freeza started training
The REAL question is....how strong is ssj goku in this tournament? Is the 50x multiplier still applied? It can't be stronger then ssjgssj. The only way I think it makes sense is the difference between god ki and regular ki. Say you have 100 god ki and you have 100 regular ki. God ki is simply more powerful. I think we need to stop looking at god Ki as an EXTENSION of regular ki, rather something else altogether. Kinda like hax mode. What I mean is maybe beerus' "god ki powerlevel is only 500 million or something along those lines, but because it's god ki, he has an automatic advantage over anyone with regular ki, even if they have a powerlevel of equal amounts of regular ki (up to a point, you can close the gap but it requires absurd power) This also shows how absurdly powerful golden frieza would have to have been to be STRONGER then a ssjgssj goku. I'd also like to point out that "Saiyan beyond god" does not utilize god ki in a full on manner as Krillin, whis, piccolo etc have said throughout super that regular base beyond god gokus powerlevel could be felt by non gods, but ssjgssj ki COULD NOT be felt by regular ki users. Further proving that god ki is something else entirely, and that goku and vegeta need ssj blue to access ACTUAL god ki, or I guess, bring out their god ki fully.
How did the power scaling get so outrageous that everyone is suddenly stronger than freakin Buuhan? Introducing Saiyan beyond God seems to have forced toriyama into a corner that he can only escape by giving everyone bullshit power levels. The power scaling for some characters must literally be over 9000.
Everyone who is leaving stupid comments we are talking about ROF Freeza not namek Freeza
But could he beat Broly? This is what we really want to know
no Broly would rape him
No
Gohan in his base is stronger than SSJ Gotenks who is stronger than SSJ3 Goku ????? WTF ?????
i find it difficult to tell how strong frost is, because even tho u guys say he had the edge against Goku, Goku has been known to fight down to the level of his competition. It seems more like he turned super saiyin to see if Frost had a stronger form rather than because Frost had an advantage in my opinion.
Goku trained for 3 years and got a zenkai boost from Frieza. He is alot stronger than when he fought frieza.
#frostspowerrevealed
He is final form level of Freeze during nemek saga.
+Peter Wong That literally makes no sense.
+Laughingstock Media
Make sense @ namek saga Freeze was playing with Goku, Till Goku reaxh ss1 aferthat the roll has been turned goku was playing with Freeze. Now when Goku go ss1 he just kick the living shit out of Frost.
Goku has been training for around 20 years since he fought Frieza on Namek, including spending 4 years in the time chamber and becoming a god in his base, so it makes no sense just because he's an SSJ.
Keep in your mind when Goku fight Frost no body exept Vado knows he is bad. Even goku think oh shit he never meet a nice Freeze let's not let him go off lie crap.
Goku is holing his power down.
It's simple. Goku's base was stronger than a Frieza who trained for 4 months in Resurrection F, who was probably more powerful than every villain prior. Goku trained for nearly 4 years since then, 3 of which were in the chamber with Vegeta, another God. Goku in his base was weaker than Final Form Frost. So Frost is stronger than every villain in Z with the exception of perhaps Golden Frieza.
And you said gotenks ssj3 is stronger than goku ssj3 but you said tagoma got hit in the balls by ssj1 gotenks so that don't make no sense. And it was a gag which follows different rules than a serious fight.